Is this any good?
>>215574076Yes
Gen X bullshit
>>215574076You can say I've got TDS or whatever but I can't watch 90s political thrillers or stuff like this after having Trump and Biden in office along with their flunkies. Watching some murder mystery flick where a politician killed a journalist to stop his affair from being made public compared to what happened/what's happening irl, seems a bit silly.
>>215574076the beginning/end of the season story lines are trash, everything else is comfy even if it's mostly politics through the eyes of extreme lib bias.When sorkin was fired, show dipped a lot
>>215574076Absolutely. It is one of the best shows ever in my opinion. The Noël and Two Cathedrals episodes were absolute - and I mean ABSOLUTE - kino.
>>215574282Extreme lib, libs are moderate by its very definition. The only times I’ve encountered people calling liberals extreme turned out to be massive nazis.
>>215574389>massive nazis are anyone who disagrees with me
>>215574282Republicans were steelmanned more than in any other show I have seen. Ainsley Hayes, Glen Allen Walken and Arnold Vinick were all given proper weight as serious political minds.
>>215574389conservatives are and always will be the milquetoast moderates. Open a book for once in your life.
>>215574421They purposefully wrote Vinick and made him lose to demoralize republicans irl>even your best has no chance
>>215574076No.
>>215574484Ainsley Hayes won a debate against Sam Seaborn. Glen Allen Walken took over the presidency when Bartlet invoked the 25th and did a good job, which even Bartlet readily admitted. The show did a lot for political understanding between the factions and unsalvageable fanatics aren't the target audience.
>>215574421Haven't seen this, but I did see (and laugh at) The Newsroom, so I find this hard to believe.
>>215574443Not in America.
>>215574076It's good when it isn't going over the top on its high horse. There are a more than a few "this liberal policy failed because we weren't liberal enough dammit!" plots which is when the show is at its worst, Sorkin never allows a liberal policy to be bad. It's best when it's showing inner workings of running the government and dealing with the press/public.
>>215574076I would say a lot of it just comes across as naive, especially in the years that have followed its release, and I can get how people will just find a lot of it smarmy or preachy. The Thick of It, if you are familiar with it, is the opposite but, that itself is just the over extreme of arguably being too cynical. To throw another example into it, Yes Minister has the right balance of the 3. Since I am here, has anyone watched Veep? What is that like?
>>215575056>. Since I am here, has anyone watched Veep? What is that like?it's watchable.
>>215574705The Newsroom had far more lazy writing than The West Wing
>>215574076I haven't watched it since it was airing, but it was always a pretty comfy show full of snappy Aaron Sorkin dialogue.
It's probably the best screenwriting work ever done. It was pro-american and before liberals lost their minds with the social issues.
>>215575248Well, since I haven't seen TWW I don't know, but I find it odd that someone who (apparently) could/was willing to steel-man "the other side" subsequently forget how to do so, or could no longer be arsed.
>>215576122*forgot
Good parts>Densely plotted>Good dialogue>Understands politics well enough to be engagingBad parts>Everyone sounds the same and has the same cadence>Everyone is a super genius who has 1000x more witty phrases than a real human. Also everyone is either a morally detached superhuman charmer or shit is the most serious shit ever, no in between
>>215574076>The President having degenerative MS isn't a problem, even as he becomes unable to do the job of POTUS in his 2nd termIt's fucking wild that this show put this point forward.
>>215574484I love this nigga so much.
>what if bill clinton was president for life: the show.no thanks.
>>215574705The Newsroom was made by a man who had lost his mind
>>215576414The more I read, the more I become convinced that the one-two punch of a one-term Bush Sr followed by a two-term Clinton was the best thing to ever happen to America's European foreign policy outcomes. >Bush Sr. was much more lowercase-c conservative when it came to Eastern Europe. He was obsessed with not stepping on Russia's toes too much. This allowed the Soviet Union to die somewhat peacefully. >Clinton then, after Russia enters its lost generation, expands NATO eastwards and puts the Balkan house in order.
it's just like Murphy Brown which was also an unabashed Clinton Administration advertisement
