>Movie clearly shows evil government tricking people into killing themselves in a meat grinder that will solve none of their society's issues>Somehow people IRL still manage to fall for that government's propaganda and defend it
Casuals never watched any WW2 propaganda films
Itty bitty appendages wrote this post.
show bug claws OP
How were they tricked?>Inb4 the government nuked Buenos Aires, that's never even hinted in the movie
>>215574508And what, exactly, are those issues supposed to be? Their society was flourishing
>>215574508It wasn't a political movie.
>>215574571>a negress taking power>functionalbwahahahahaThe society in starship troopers is that of a retarded obama politics. How anyone on the right can see a multiracial society where gender roles have been completely eroded as something to aspire to is beyond me.
Every time this movie is discussed I feel stupid for liking it because>Hahaha pew pew bug>Hahaha he said the Buenos Aires line>Whoa are those boobs
>>215576163The greatness of Starship Troopers is that it's enjoyable on multiple levels>kickass sci-fi action movie>affectionate satire of corny old WW2 era films>social statement about how war brings out the worst in humanity (everyone who believes in anything dies horribly, and the winners are a good-looking moron, a selfish bitch, and a pure sociopath)
>>215576393all true
>>215574567how the fuck are a race of barely sentient alien bugs supposed to be able to fire meteors at FTL speed with extreme precision at earth from literally the other side of the milky way galaxy, as we are shown where Klendathu is relative to Earth in one of the propaganda movies>>215574571at the end of the movie they're shown to be recruiting children to fight the bugs. the mixed race, mixed gendered troopers from 3rd world countries are like the volksturm defending Berlin while the red army are like 20km away
Paul Verhoeven was a fucking midwit and this movie is proof of that.
>>215576393I think you're reading things that aren't there.it just shows that death has no friends, no favourites.you'd understand that if you weren't a prick
>>215576582Youre kind of stupid. All we see of the bug war is a skirmish on a pioneer planet amd the humans barely even found out about the brain bugs.
>>215576601>the obvious went right over my head>so you suck!!I don't know what to tell you anon
>>215576582>how the fuck are a race of barely sentient alien bugs supposed to be able to fire meteors at FTL speed with extreme precision at earth from literally the other side of the milky way galaxy, as we are shown where Klendathu is relative to Earth in one of the propaganda moviesHow the fuck are bugs supposed to grow to that size? Have you ever seen a bug that size? How are bugs supposed to shoot down spaceships orbiting the planet they're on? That would never happen. How do bugs kills people with guns? Lmao, have you seen a bug?
>>215576582You sound bigoted, Anon. You don't know anything about bug psychology, intellect, the capacity of their hiveminds.
>>215576692NTA but it is kind of weird how in the movie everyone's scoffing at the idea of an intelligent bug at the midpoint, but the bugs can apparently throw rocks across the galaxy much faster than the speed of light, meaning they're clearly a starfaring raceBut if you look at the ending scene, the new recruits do in fact look to be about 13, aka casualties are so bad they're drafting kids while promising new wunderwaffen to defeat the enemy. The end scene is basically what German war propaganda in 1945 looked like and it's not an accident Verhoeven made it that way
>>215576582>a race of barely sentient alien bugsThey had an intra-galactic empire that humans called the Arachnid Quarantine Zone and invaded human controlled worlds such as Zegema Beach.
>>215574508>none of their society's issuesWhat issues were there? Rico's parents weren't citizens yet seemed wealthy so obviously even a non citizen was treated well.
>>215574508the reason fascism is alluring is because it works very well for the in-group. and people very easily imagine themselves as part of the in-group. when people watch SST, they don't imagine themselves as the shlub being gored on an alien planet by a bug, or the non-citizen starving to die outside of society. they think they're the psychic, or the pilot, or the gigachad herothe brilliance of fascism is it allows suckers to believe they'll be winners -- until the out-group expands to include them
>>215576918>or the non-citizen starving to die outside of society.See >>215576820
>>215576918>the non-citizen starving to die outside of society.Rico's parents are non-citizens and they're rich as fuck. They just can't vote. The government of ST is a democracy, just without a universal franchise, aka how every democracy was initially formed
>>215576918Joseph Goebells said propaganda works best when those who are being manipulated are confident they are acting on their own free will
>>215576163>>215576393I watched it as a kid not knowing about the satirical angle and I ended up hating the movie because it seemed like really evil American propaganda to me. Even though I was like 14 and didn't even realise it was a big shitpost movie, the federation seemed like the real bad guys to me. Probably has something to do with Dutch society and culture being so different from America (I'm Dutch just like Verhoeven)
>>215576582This is you
>>215576971Rico's parents got killed in a false flag bombing by their own government
>>215577353Or they got bombed by an enemy that their government needlessly went to war with
>>215574508>mormon colonist set up shop on what they believe to be a remote an uninhabitated planet>its actually a bug colony>bugs butcher mormons on site, suck their brains out, figure out their home planet, and launch a meteor in a completely insane and calculated genocidal tier attack >"humans are brainwashed bugs dindu nuffin!"This really does expose the insane amount of oikophobia on the left. I recently watched an interview with a dude who was part of The Weather Underground and he said he woke up to how insane they actually were when the group was seriously discussing that it would be ethical to murder all white new born children on earth.
>>215577353>>215577367Verhoeven said the meteor attack is real, but the humans provoked the bugs. Rico and the chick are dissecting one in high school biology >>215577307>Probably has something to do with Dutch society and culture being so different from America (I'm Dutch just like Verhoeven)I mean he wasn't subtle in dressing them all in SS uniforms
>>215577413listening to the commentary, you realize that whatever theme Verhoeven was going far is kind of scatterbrained. The closest coherent one he mentions is that war turns people into Fascist out of necessity and he mentions how not only Nazi Germany, but ancient Rome, the US, the USSR, and China are all at this stage. He also seems to not treat the movie nearly as serious as internet fans of the movie do, like a lot of it is just them having fun and being silly. Like how people compare the symbolism in the movie to Nazi symbols, but the guy in charge of all of that says that he based the design of the eagle/war plane flag on pacific north west native american art and simply because he thought it looked cool
Is this a bait thread or do people really just get their opinions from other people on the internet?
>>215577413>Verhoeven said the meteor attack is real, but the humans provoked the bugsVerhoeven didn't write the script, I believe it is very much an intentional implication. Or just something that only really happened in the fake propaganda movie version of the film's world, but didn't happen in the implied "real world" that is making this propaganda movie. I think this is one of those things like the protag in Night Of The Living Dead getting George Floyded at the end, even if some people involved said it wasn't intended to mean anything (which I highly doubt anyway in both cases) it still ends up having a lot of meaning.>I mean he wasn't subtle in dressing them all in SS uniformsLike I said, I was 14. I'm talking more about American style hyper-patriotic military porn being a lot less appealing to a Dutch audience compared to an American audience.
>>215577513>but the guy in charge of all of that says that he based the design of the eagle/war plane flag on pacific north west native american art and simply because he thought it looked coolWeird cuz V said he deliberately wanted something just as close to a Nazi flag as he thought he could get away with, and got roasted by the studio when they saw it, but by then they'd already filmed too much of the camp scenes to reshoot>The closest coherent one he mentions is that war turns people into Fascist out of necessity and he mentions how not only Nazi Germany, but ancient Rome, the US, the USSR, and China are all at this stage.Yeah, I think "fascist" is being used as lefty catchall for "bad!!" The war makes everyone and everything worse. Everyone who believes in anything, like Dizzy with love or the teacher with the collective good, dies a horrible death, and the only people who thrive are the grinning idiot, the selfish bitch, and the sociopath monsterSuch a great movie
>>215577638>Verhoeven didn't write the scriptNo, but it was the same writer-director-producer trifecta that had done Robocop. They all worked together. Verhoeven was the only choice for director because they all understood each other.>I'm talking more about American style hyper-patriotic military porn being a lot less appealing to a Dutch audience compared to an American audience.It's a parody of WW2 hyper-patriotic military porn, American but especially GermanThe ending scene shows that they're drafting children while promising new wunderwaffen, it's pure 1945
>>215577513Movie watchers tend to take movies much more seriously than the people making them. Or at least they take them much more literally, and look for very overt symbolysm and allegories, when directors are usually way more artistic and free in how they approach movies. Basically I'm saying that Redditors don't grasp art. Just see them talk about David Lynch if you have a laugh, they have a post on the Twin Peaks subs like once every week at least where somebody comes with some lame ass theory that it was all a dream.
>>215577783>Just see them talk about David Lynch if you have a laugh, they have a post on the Twin Peaks subs like once every week at least where somebody comes with some lame ass theory that it was all a dream.Based redditors>obviously they can't be trying to blend horror, banality, and absurdity and doing that really well>it must be the dog's dream!
>>215577731>It's a parody of WW2 hyper-patriotic military porn, American but especially German The ending scene shows that they're drafting children while promising new wunderwaffen, it's pure 1945Yeah I know. I just think that sort of thing appeals to American audiences anyway on a completely unironic level
>>215577783Modern david lynch fans are the absolute worse assholes who are ruining movies by creating this entire market of weirdslop
>>215577926>Yeah I know. I just think that sort of thing appeals to American audiences anyway on a completely unironic levelYeah lol, when I first saw it I loved it because I was a big Silver Age film fan even back then, so I got most of the stylistic references. Didn't realize until years later that lots of people just saw it as a big cool action movie
>>215576754>bigotedWe say "based" in these parts
>>215576918the reason socialism is alluring is because it works very well for the in-group. and people very easily imagine themselves as part of the in-group. when people watch ‘Enemy at the Gates’, they don't imagine themselves as some ryadovoy conscript being shot from behind by a ‘blocking detachment’, or the starving holodomori left to die outside of society. They think they'll be a Pavlichenko, a Kalashnikov or a Zhukov, a ‘hero of the Soviet union’. The brilliance of socialism is that it tells losers that nothing is their own fault and leads them to believe they'll be winners come the revolution- until the out-group expands to include them, and they end up shot in the back of the head by someone like Blokhin and buried in a Polish forest.
After I saw this movie, I instantly became a fascist because it taught me fascism and how to be a fascist. Woah, movies really do influence you don't they :O
>>215574508The only reason this is science fiction and unrealistic is because women are allowed to vote. Take that away and it is a utopia
>>215577536>super mega comics in the wild
>>215577513>whatever theme Verhoeven was going far is kind of scatterbrained>he based the design on . . . simply because he thought it looked coolSo you could say it's like Evangelion.>>215579957>>215576918Fascism(National Socialism/Nazis). The in-group is a citizen of that nation. The out-group is those that threaten the citizens wellfare IE bankers, landlords, merchants, gypsies etc Socialism. The in-group is the oligarchy. The out-group are the useful idiots that were part of revolution and are a threat to the oligarchy when they learn they were duped.Every single socialist revolution kills off the high ranking useful idiots because they don't know anything else but revolution so they need to be put down. Just look at feminism, they got the right to vote and work , but they keep fighting for more shit they don't need or even deserve because they're taught to always keep fighting.
>>215581574>Every single socialist revolution kills off the high ranking useful idiotsNational SOCIALISM. The Night of the Long Knives.
>>215574508I've been shat on for this, but my theory is that the bugs in the movie universe are used as livestock by the Federation. They're used as a propaganda piece to keep humanity united, and to cull the excess human population. Traitor to Mars heavily implies this.
>Movie was clearly made by anti military faggots whose target audience is cowards like OP so their hippie echo might live through eternity>Even my child knows those bugs would have been bombarded and continually bombarded by the space navy before a single troop ever touched dirtGood thing we're here to strangle your weak ass out of existence so our species doesn't surrender at the very first sign of true interstellar aliens
>>215574508Chuds deliberately misunderstand a movie and refuse to engage with it? What else is new
>>215576692Did trump write this post
>>215576582Turns out there's a fucking brain bug that can absorb human knowledge or control humans into doing what they say when the shove their giant proboscis into your skull and if you'd actually watched it instead of shitty 'le so clever' youtubers and redditors talking about it, you would know this brain bug and catching it are what the entire back-half of the movie is about.
>>215576582Bugs are to a degree sentient and sapient, they're a hive mind directed by a hyper-intelligent brain bug. They colonised multiple planets, which is shown in the movie (Klendathu, P, the Mormon world) and book, and that requires FTL. They also were able to target ships in orbit from the ground with plasma-based projectiles.Both the Federation and Bugs in the movie are capable of interstellar travel and colonisation. In fact, it's said in the book (I don't recall if the movie does too explicitly) that the reason the war started was because a bunch of Mormons ignored Federation guidance, colonised one of the bug worlds, and got aggressive with them. The bugs retaliated by attacking the species, rather than just those humans, because they see humanity as a single unified species just like they are a single unified species.
>>215576582>barely sentient alien bugsYou can just say you never watched the movie or commentary track
>>215574508It showcases that courage and heroicism exists regardless of whether or not the war is just. It shows that sometimes being a warrior is a reward in and of itself. 'Ours is not to question why, ours is but to do and die'. This message resounded with me because as a teenager and young adult I did not care who we were fighting or why, I just wanted to wear helmets and kneepads and shoot people on the other team which exactly why I enlisted in the Army during the surge. I did not care at all about the reasons I just wanted to have the experience of being in a squad and seeing explosions and gunfire and stuff. I felt very cool and like whenever I was getting shot at I would literally think about how I wish my friends could see me in that moment lol. There is merit to just being able to fight and kill as part of a big army. It just feels right, like a key human experience.
>>215574508Nowadays a cause worth dying for is the absolute best men have left to wish for
>>215574508>You are enjoying this actually well made, kickass action movie wrong!BIG YAWN
>>215577353>false flagnever happeend, retard.Stick to what's on screen
>>215582045>YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO DISLIKE THIS!!!
That's literally not in the movie.What's in the movie is killer bugs launching rocks at Earth, and murdering peaceful settlers.
>>215582045The director deliberately misunderstood the book, so it's fair.
>>215576793I think at the end of it all, it's not a very well written movie. And that's because it's cobbled together from pieces of the original book, which Verhoeven did not read or comprehend.In the book, the answer to "are the bugs intelligent?" isn't up for question. They're established as a highly technological species with a Borg like hivemind. The individual bugs are drones, but they're still collectively intelligent.
If you make fascism look cool that's on you not on me.
>>215574508you unironically lack media literacy
>>215576117The Sky Marshall had little real power. Their society was run by glow niggers
>>215577513Yes, verhoeven is a dumb hack that just puts tits and ultraviolence onto already good scripts for his every successful film and is genuinely too stupid to understand that making a product with wide market appeal to sell well is mutually exclusive with making a successful satire. His attempts at satire were so fucking unclear that all the initial critics thought he was actually pro fascism because that is how the movie is directed to be. Its taken all this time for the discussion surrounding the film to warp like it has.He's also just too stupid in general to figure out how to make plot points work sensibly. He never even once conceived that Buenos Aires could and should be a false flag for his story and says as much in the commentary track that it was explicitly the bugs but is too stupid to realize that playing galactic billiards with a meteor straight into the densely populated city pocket is stupid. The film only works as a big, dumb action film but its great at doing that so it survives to inspire dumb libshits to whine about how people are misinterpreting it like its actually smart enough to have something to say.
>the bugs are merely defending themselvessomeone get this nigga to a reeducation camp
>>215584891>You are enjoying this well made, kickass action movie wrong!>muh satire didn't align with my reddit literacy expectations!Grow up
'ate bugs, simple as
>>215584950>The film only works as a big, dumb action film but its great at doing thatYou should probably learn to read, nigger
>>215576918>the brilliance of communism is it allows suckers to believe they'll be winners -- until the out-group expands to include them
>>215584214The director took a shitty book and made a decent movie out of it.
>>215584997It's the "big dumb" pretentious redditism applied to such a well made movie that earned you solid, oldfashioned BTFO
>>215576117Imagine missing the joke
>>215576582>how the fuck are a race of barely sentient alien bugs supposed to be able to fire meteors at FTL speed with extreme precision at earth from literally the other side of the milky way galaxy, as we are shown where Klendathu is relative to Earth in one of the propaganda moviesTake it up with Verhoeven. Don't make me post the commentary track excerpt.
>>215574508Imagine allowing some Jew to taint the incredible work that the books are based on and warp it into his nihilistic suicidal empathy goon material. What a horrific society we live in.
the masculine man is sent to fight. the feminine man in the safe pilot seat gets the girl. everyone misses the point. this is how a civilisation becomes weak over generations
>>215576582>how the fuck are a race of barely sentient alien bugs supposed to be able to fire meteors at FTL speed with extreme precision at earth from literally the other side of the milky way galaxy,So who did, genius? The dead Mormons?
>>215585025Frankly I find the idea of a Redditor that thinks, offensive. Fortunately there are no such examples. Go back to your hive and kys on the way.
>>215574508>another leftie makes up headcanon and expects everyone else to be as retarded episode
why did the bugs kill the dreamer mormon immigrants instead of giving them food, shelter, healthcare and voting rights?are they nazi bugs?KILL ALL NAZI BUGSSAY IT WITH ME
>>215576582>barely sentient alien>leftist shill shows he never watched the fucking movieThese people really do just uncritically absorb youtuber opinions, don't they?
