I'm so tired of this new normie take that Tony is somehow le evil and iredeemable because of that one fucking stupid video essay, yeah he's no angel but he loves his family he loves animals he ain't ever hurt an innocent he's no sadist, so many more "evil" characters in the show, fuck video essays
he murders people for personal gainhow is that not evil?
>>215585769He's a soldier, that's just part of the job.
>kills anyone who inconveniences him>manipulates all his friends and family constantly>fatasswhat about him is good
>>215585769He's never murdered someone that wasn't a bad person themselves and either in debt (at their own risk) or involved with mob shit themselves, if that's evil then what are serial killers etc? I'm not saying he's an angel but he's not pure evil, insanely ridiculous take and it's all cause of that one video essay demonizing him >>215585798See ^he never just randomly killed someone sometimes I wonder if these people even watched the fucking show
>>215585746that's not a new take at all and has nothing to do with some video essay. Tony is a sociopath and David Chase has been explicit that he is not a good person.
>>215585814There's a different between bad person and evil person though, he's not a psycho like ralphie or just a mean spirited sadist like phil
>>215585813>if that's evil then what are serial killers etc?there are degrees to evil. just because you're not the most evil person in the world, doesn't mean you're necessarily a good person, that's ridiculous.
>>215585842but I'm not saying he's a good person, just that saying he's the worst character in the show even, it's not even close
>>215585769
Tony got a black cop who gave him a speeding ticket fired. Tony later met that same black guy working a low-wage job at a fountain store. Tony obviously felt bad and realized he did a very shitty thing. A true psychopath or sociopath wouldn't feel bad.
>>215585866also trvthnuke
>>215585746He ordered the hit of a civilian on the one sided word of the grandfather in a custody case. He did this solely to get a discount on expired arthritis medication and to flex on his brother in law for buying a railroad
>>215585769So what cops, soldiers and spooks are all evil now?
>>215585813Didn't he kill a dude for being gay
>>215585746I have no idea what fucking youtube bullshit you're talking about but Tony Soprano is a murderer, an adulterer, and a thief. We can sympathize with him a little but at the end of the day he's a criminal
>>215585866The extent of his "feeling bad" is trying to slip him 100 bucks, which even in 2004 or whenever wasn't a life changing amount of money, and doesn't really alter his behavior in any way
>>215587303Tony had kind of a nuanced take on Vito, in which he initially thought, "Yeah, we're should kill him," but then waffled on it because Vito makes him shitloads of money. Tony makes a shitty compromise that benefits no one by not killing Vito, but also not putting him back to work, then allowing Phil's crew to kill Vito, THEN not giving Vito's widow $100000 to move out of New Jersey, and instead paying $10000 to have Vito Jr hauled away in the night to a reform program where he'll almost certainly be starved, beat, and raped
>>215585769HE WAS A BEAUTIFUL INNOCENT CREATURE
>>215585746If your takeaway after watching the show is that Tony isn't evil, you were watching it with your eyes and ears covered. At absolute best he was a hypocritical piece of shit
>>215588424>THEN not giving Vito's widow $100000 to move out of New Jersey, and instead paying $10000 to have Vito Jr hauled away in the night to a reform program where he'll almost certainly be starved, beat, and rapedThe turd wont fall far.
>>215585746lol you are the normie here, only retarded normie trash would propose that a criminal murdering scumbag is an okay person just because he has a family
He's not "evil" he's just a faggot
He wasn't worse than Ralphie but fucking his nephew's ex gf after killing him was disgusting
>>215586749it was cops and soldiers that killed christ anon
Saying Tony is evil is simplifying a deeply complex character into general terms.>>215586016This is a good point and one of the most 'evil' things he ever did, he abused his power as a boss to make Bobby kill a man (which he never did before) for not only his personal gains but also to one-up Bobby; especially since Bobby beat his ass (literally) last night.This is manipulative, selfish, evil and crude thing to do - but we can reason with himt since Tony is the boss, and he has to stay on top of the game.Tony is a sadist, narcist, childish manbaby who is hooked into the mafia game while trying to fight his way out of it.>>215588364This was the usual case of Tony trying to buy his own conscience, he was feeling guilty - he didnt give a shit that the other person was angry or upset, he was buying his own absolution.>>215588424This is one of the many decisions of Tony that shows him being a bad boss. He was 'above' the issue, but he didnt understand that the mob was not above it; he put himself into a position of being against his own playbook; and we symphatize with him since he is correct. Who gives a shit a guy is gay than the mob with their already weird ass traditions?>>215588486He is not evil, but he is definetly a bad human being.t. screenwriter
>>215588560gay essay and even gayer job anon
>>215585746>caring about other people's opinions>knowing there's some video essay around
>>215588424>THEN not giving Vito's widow $100000 to move out of New Jersey, and instead paying $10000 to have Vito Jr hauled away in the night to a reform program where he'll almost certainly be starved, beat, and rapedDidn't he only do that because the degenerate couldn't stop gambling, had a bad loss with the money he'd promised her so figured he'd cheap out?
>>215585791yeah? and the asbestos? the robberies? the Phil Leotardo Ukranian doppleganger assassinated by mistake? all those things are fine i guess?youre confusing charisma and good acting with being a good person
>>215585746The “le he just doez his job as le mob bozz” take is so fucking stupid. He constantly lies and manipulates his own family in major way, especially Carmela and Christopher whom he supposedly loves as a son. He not just an innocent soldier following orders…
>>215585866He only felt bad because the guy took it like a man and got on with his life without complaining about it and treated Tony like he would any other customer. Tony only felt bad because it made him self reflect on how much of a bitch he is and that the cop wasn't being an asshole, he was just a guy who does his job to the letter, which Tony respects.
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