>moids would rather destroy the whole world than experience the feeling of being rejectedWhy is NGE not commonly mentioned together with other incel power trip / revenge fantasies aka "literally me" like Taxi Driver?
>>215598784Go back to /a/
>>215598784>>moids would rather destroy the whole world than experience the feeling of being rejectedexcept he doesn't, in the end he decides that was wrong and chooses life even though it will hurt him. that's just what Rei/Lillith thought he wanted.
>>215598850The actual ending is irrelevant. What matters is the theme. End of the world, suicide, murder (strangling Asuka). Because of what, a perceived rejection? Then moids wonder why women stopped rejecting in the age of smart phones and just ghost them
I think more women like this series than guys do
>>215599086>strangling Asukathat was based tho, women love being choked
More men than women commit suicide. And it is because a man can only find meaning through a woman's desires. Most men fail to find a permanent mate. Hence, the high male suicide rate.
>>215599086>>215599086>What matters is the themeYeah - and the embrace of life is the theme. From episodes 25 & 26, to EoE, to 3.0+1.0, there is a consistent, clear message: that life is worth choosing even though it's painful. >murder (strangling Asuka). Because of what, a perceived rejection?Shinji and Asuka are cut from the same cloth. Throughout the whole series, she also emotionally abuses and ignores him because of what she perceives as Shinji rejecting her. They're the same, although neither are ready to admit it. And in the end, Asuka not only chooses life as well, despite being violated and abused countless times, but she chooses for once not to reject Shinji, even while he strangles her, she reaches out and caresses him. Both have gone through hell and back, have been abused, have abused others, but both choose to keep living in spite of that. And yes, they momentarily revert to their pain, as they leave Instrumentality and all of their human emotions come flooding back. Shinji again feels the weight of perceived rejection and lashes out, Asuka again feels her disgust towards them. But they still chose life, and in the end there's hope for them. "The hope that people might be able to understand one another. And the words 'I love you'."
>>215599206natural selection at work
>>215598850Rei and Kaoru guided him to that decision. He learned to love life because he has felt that love first in a very 1 John 4:19-esque fashion. We can see here that Anno goes beyond the mere aesthetics of Christianity and even dips his toes into monergist territory.
>>215599245https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLT5Z-4dRDM
>>215598784So Evangelion is about being a beta male as well? What the fuck's wrong with the Japanese?
>>215599290Most Japanese are betas. At least they are since we nuked them.
>>215598784Why didn’t he just fuck misato’s tits
>>215599235If I remember correctly it ends with Asuka mumbling "disgusting" or something like that. Literally the last words of End of Evangelion. I have not watched the Rebuilds. If anything, the ending reminds me of a broken marriage. They are the last people on Earth and still hate each other.
>>215599322Yes, I touched on that. Like I said, their human emotions come flooding back after Instrumentality. Having gone through Ego death and chosen life doesn't immediately fix them, it doesn't make life any less painful. It's not a promise that their life is going to get any better. They're still deeply flawed, hurt people. It's like somebody who trips on acid and feels infinite love and realizes the source of their unhappiness - but then the day later, they come down and they're the same person they were before. You can look past the Ego in certain circumstances, but you can never outrun it entirely. It's just part of being human. Anno is very grounded and realistic, at no point does he try to say everything will be sunshine and roses. There is pain in life inherently, and you can't avoid it. But it is clear that he believes life is still worth living even in spite of the pain. And that's obvious with the fact that Shinji and Asuka choose life in the end. And in that moment on the beach, Asuka caresses Shinji and Shinji breaks down crying. He still feels contempt and anger towards her, and she still feels contempt and disgust towards him. Their relationship isn't healed, it might not ever be, there is still a gulf between them. But as long as they choose life, there is hope.
>>215598784>Why is NGE not commonly mentioned together with other incel power trip / revenge fantasies aka "literally me" like Taxi Driver?Nobody wants to be Shinji.
>>215599086Why are you larping as a woman? You will never be one. Ever.
>>215599086>The actual ending is irrelevant.>Why?>I-IT JUST IS OKAY!
>>215599245This implies rape is also natural selection.
>>215598784the world isn't destroyed idiot, everyone just becomes infinitely closer to one another and shinji doesn't do it. shinji also rejects infinite closeness and stays an individual along with asuka
>>215599322>They are the last people on Earth and still hate each other.They're not the last, they're the firsts
>>215598784He didn’t. Watch the anime Uta Kata. The ending is the same general idea but dumbed down for girls.
>>215599086>What matters is the theme.Which apparently flew over your head.
>>215598784>>215599086He's a depressed young boy. It has nothing to do with rejection.
>>215599267Except that Rei is literally Lilith and Kaoru is clearly meant to be Lucifer, all the bad guys are literally angels and people who want to force a divine union with God, which Shinji explicitly rejects because it's suicide motivated
Because it's not actually a very good movie. The show is at least a serviceable monster of the week super robot show.
>>215598784>NGE is only about sexThis is why the 19th amendment was obviously a mistake. The fact that this is the only thing you are capable of comprehending when you see this show means you aren't capable of maintaining a civilization.
>>215599879The giga rei/kaoru entity refers to it/themself as the "words I love you" which would put it closer to how God is described in 1 John 4:8.
>>215599879Also the biblical Divine Union™ does not involve the erasure of subjectified identities. What the villains wanted is a refund from life.
>>215599879>>215601251just piggybacking to say also the religious symbolism in Eva shouldn't be taken too literally. Anno played loose with it and mostly used Judeo-Christian symbolism because it was foreign to the Japanese. I'm not saying "le whole show is meaningless because le symbolism doesn't mean anything" that gets parroted and taken out of context a lot. there are spiritual themes to the show, it's just not always a 1:1 parallel to religion and a lot of it is actually Buddhist in nature. so, Lilith in Eva isn't necessarily a direct analog of the Talmudic Lilith. while Anno might have wanted to evoke that comparison for one reason or another, Lilith in Eva is really just a broad deity/Kami figure.
>>215599861It does a little bit, like halfwayBeing unwanted, unloved etc
>>215598784>>moidsOnly troons say this. They genuinely believe they'll be accepted as a woman if they become a """femcel"""
>>215599206>killing yourself because of womenKek
>>215598784how would being rejected help the world?
>>215599307jews nuked them because the kamikaze pilots were handing out fat Ls to carriers and aircraft. large losses taken, so jews panicked and dropped bombs on Japanese civilians because they couldn't find military targets large enough
>>215599446exactly. if rape is natural selection, civilization is ruined. everyone is barbarian savages then
>>215598784Because NGE ends with Shinji and Mari leaving all that shit behind hand-in-hand no matter how much is makes you people seethe
It's the first show I can remember where the main character is completely pathetic in every way. He embodies the worst version of yourself that you have in your head as a teenage boy. A complete coward pussy with no redeeming qualities. And that's the main character of this otherwise cool show with giant robots.
>>215598784Shinji was purposefully groomed into being like that.
>>215604372>It's the first show I can remember where the main character is completely pathetic in every way.He's the best EVA pilot by far.
>>215604372Only one episode of this show had giant robots in it and that was basically filler
>>215599206>And it is because a man can only find meaning through a woman's desires. My ass.
>>215604382This. There's also several episodes where Shinji is actually over-confident about piloting the Eva which gets him into trouble. The whole "Shinji is a useless pussy who won't get in the robot" narrative has never held up. Yes, he is more emotionally vulnerable than most anime protagonists. He's a deeply traumatized 14 year who has the weight of the world thrust on his shoulders and is forced to fight eldritch alien beings in a robot inhabited by his dead mom's soul that frequently mindfucks him, all while the most powerful organization in the world is literally manipulating events in order to mindbreak him so he can become a vessel for their ascension. And despite that, he still gets in the fucking robot and saves the world several times over. Internet tough guys love to pretend like they'd be like Kamina from Gurren Lagann in this situation, but they would act much more like Shinji than they would like to admit. Probably even worse than he did.
>>215604609You forgot that EVA pilot synch with EVAs so they feel every injury their EVA suffers. So, when Shinji kicks Zeruel's ass with one hand, he literally feels as one of his own hands was just torn off. When he gets hit by Sachiel's laser in Episode 1, he probably feels like he's boiling alive.
>>215604609What’s the deal with Gurren Lagan anyways? Tranime or kino? Only person who has ever recommended it to me was an enormous faggot who couldn’t finish Eva because it was 3deep5her
>>215598784This is very solid rage bait
>>215604345nuclear copeweebs really are another breed
>>215604640knowing that, I see no reason to not butt fuck every fucking angel you got to fight or even other eva
>>215604945>Only person who has ever recommended it to me was an enormous faggot who couldn’t finish Eva because it was 3deep5herThat's been my experience with Gurren Lagann fans too honestly. All the type of people who think Shinji is a pussy and Eva is pseud nonsense. They like Gurren because it's the "cool" and "badass" counterpart to Eva (not that they really have anything in common besides robots and Gainax, but they get compared anyway).Idk, it's okay I guess. It admittedly has some pretty hype moments in the later episodes, but it's mostly just a generic shonen and it's about as deep as a puddle. I don't regret watching it but I'm probably never going to return to it.
>>215599206the disparity is very cleanly resolved by the fact that women are more self-centered. this is basically obvious to any honest observer with eyes but also follows from biology. the number of women dictates the rate of reproduction of a tribe. a male human will always be more expendable than a female unless they fulfil some other critical role to the tribe.that doesnt mean a tribe will survive if all males are dead, it just means men are predisposed further towards self-destructive tendencies while women tend further towards self-preservation
>>215604973>knowing that, I see no reason to not butt fuck every fucking angelprobably because there's a good chance the angel would mind fuck you back
>>215604973That's the EVA's true potential...
>>215604973Your mom will be watching and not everyone wants that.
>>215605007I have always considered Eva the exception in what is otherwise a trashy and pulpy genre, and Gurren Lagan kinda just looks like more of that. Sorry to judge a book by its cover.Eva is a genuinely rich and layered psychological text but I was admittedly put off by some of its more cliche tendencies, especially in the first half of the series, like the whole dynamic of Misato/Asuka/Shinji playing house and the oversexualization of Misato. I can forgive a lot of that just based on where the show ends up, though.
>>215604609From what I remember, he doesn't want to pilot the eva, is terrified of the whole thing, and has a "why me?" attitude. He only excels when he goes berserk
>>215599086He's strangling Asuka because he thinks she's a hallucination. It's unclear how much time has passed and he's clearly losing his mind. He stops immediately when Asuka touches his face and he realizes she's real and starts crying.You are media illiterate.
>>215605080>like the whole dynamic of Misato/Asuka/Shinji playing house and the oversexualization of Misato.Congrats, you're a midwit.
>>215605143All of this stuff comes into focus and feels purposeful/meaningful by the end of the show but you have to understand that a first time viewer would very much just read it as surface level tropes that are being played straight without a hint of psychoanalysis until like the midway point of the show
>>215605116>From what I remember, he doesn't want to pilot the eva, is terrified of the whole thing, and has a "why me?" attitude.Yeah - because why would he? He's a kid being thrust alone into the front lines of battle against monsters more powerful than Earth's militaries, which attack him physically and psychologically. Adults get severe PTSD from warfare against other humans, how is Shinji supposed to feel? Despite that, he still rises to the occasion and does it anyway. And does it so well that he drives Asuka to have a mental breakdown over how good of a pilot he is. He has several opportunities throughout the series to abandon piloting, and doesn't. There are also several instances where he steps up and takes initiative on things that aren't asked of him, or even takes action against orders. All Shinji wants is to be a normal 14 year old kid, but he's forced to do one of the most psychologically traumatizing things a human can do, over and over, and he does it, and does it very well. Also, it's made clear towards the end that he DOES want to pilot it, because it's the only thing that makes him feel valued. That's a big point in his introspection late in the series. That's why every time he has an opportunity to leave, he doesn't. It's only really in the very beginning of episode 1 that he is actually against piloting the Eva, and one or two other times, but those are for other reasons like when he's angry about what they made him do to Toji.
>>215605080>in what is otherwise a trashy and pulpy genret. has only ever seen EVA and knows nothing about the genre or its traditions
>>215605199Hmm, ok then
>>215605080Yeah I mostly agree. I don't mind other anime, and frankly Eva owes a lot of itself to anime that carved a path before it, so I don't think it's fair to write off the genre altogether. But it certainly does transcend the genre. Like, Gurren Lagann for example, or (I'm gonna get shit on for this but whatever) Akira, which obviously was a huge influence on Evangelion - I enjoyed watching them, it's a bit of mindless fun. But they don't really leave a big impression on me, and I'm not going to return to them. But I've seen Eva countless times since I first watched it over a decade ago, I've spent years picking it apart and discussing it online, and still to this day I'm finding new layers to appreciate about it. It truly is a work of art. It's a fundamentally divisive show though, and disproportionately popular for something so introspective and psychological, so I know there's always going to be people who don't like it and unfairly criticize it. It doesn't bother me anymore.
>>215598784Bad bait. Gendo is trying to destroy the world to reunite with his dead wife (he had sex).Shinji is unwittingly going along with his dad's plan - and I'm pretty sure the point is that he rejects what his dad tried to do and chooses to live in the real world instead of trying to dissolve everyone's egos and reunite with the monad. So no, none of this is "incel fantasy"Like at allYou might just be brainrotted
What people forget about the show/movies is that Shinji was made like this on purpose. A Chad would have never survived the first angel because the Eva needed to go berserk in that fight.Don't forget NERV has a ridiculous budget, bigger than any modern military in the world. Nowadays every Bundesliga / Premiere League / La Liga player has his own team of personal trainers, spin masters and therapists. Instead of assigning a therapist, putting Shinji into the same house with two mentally damaged women was no accident.
>>215605427yep. SEELE needed somebody who's Ego they could break to serve as a puppet for Instrumentality, and they manipulated every scenario along the way to ensure that would happen. Shinji was deliberately chosen as a traumatized child, and was then put through a series of deeply traumatic events to further weaken him for the sole purpose of breaking him. and even with all that, he still in the end took control of Instrumentality and rejected Gendo and SEELE to will his wishes into reality. also, all of Shinji's classmates were there because they were chosen as alternative candidates. even Toji, who is portrayed as the typical "Chad", was there because NERV/SEELE knew how to break him. which I think goes to show that there actually isn't anybody who could be a "Chad" in this scenario. we're all just human at the end of the day. all of us have vulnerabilities, and weaknesses to exploit, and all of us would break under the right conditions. I doubt anybody who claims they would be a Chad in Shinji's shoes, especially at 14 years old, actually would be, and I'd go as far as to say they would probably break even faster and harder than Shinji did.
Funny how the sexual themes completely go over people's heads. I get that they co-exist with religious and existentialism ones.But how can you watch the ending of End of Evangelion with Shinji hearing imagined rejection lines in his head from all 3 women (except his mother) in his life and say the show has nothing to do with the fear of being romantically rejected? Yes, there are many other people whose opinion Shinji values - like his father and classmates. But the women are the most personal ones.
>>215605261Well I guess he also doesn't want to pilot the Eva in EoE, but that's after watching his three closest friends get mindraped into catatonia, mutilated by his own robot while he watched helplessly, or revived as a clone after killing herself. Plus most of the city getting blown up, the only positive masculine role model in his life disappeared, and his surrogate mother figure getting shot in front of him. Between the very beginning and the very end he's usually pretty enthusiastic about piloting Eva though.
Because Taxi Driver is a serious movie and this is a silly cartoon about teenagers piloting robots and punching aliens.
>>215605641>Taxi Driver is a serious movieWhy so serious?
>>215605605I'll admit until recently I ignored a lot of the sexual subtext in favour of the spiritual and existential themes, but yeah, on my recent rewatch it really stood out to me how important Freudian psychosexuality was to the whole thing. But like you say, there are multiple themes that coexist, and it's so layered you can focus on just one aspect and ignore the others, and still have tons of meaning to take away from it. I don't think you can have a complete understanding without getting into the sexual side of it though. After my recent rewatch, I think Shinji and Asuka's relationship and their perceived rejection of eachother throughout the series is the linchpin of the whole show. They're both at their core extremely similar people, who are trapped in a regressed phallic stage of psychosexual development from being abandoned by their respectively gendered parents at a young age. They express it in different ways, Shinji becoming withdrawn, shy and aloof to women, and Asuka becoming fiery, combative, and displaying disgust and contempt towards men. Really, what they both what is to be accepted by eachother. But they hate themselves, and they project that hatred onto the other, which they perceive as rejection from eachother. And that slowly leads to the erosion of their relationship that finds them both at rock bottom in EoE, feeling completely alienated and rejected. There's more to it than that, but I'm already at risk of writing an essay. I'm ashamed it took me so long to pick up on some of this stuff, but it's probably because I'm sexually repressed too (Shinji is literally me).
>>215598784ywnbaw
>>215598784>Weebs still acting like this trash heap is profound 30 years later.
>>215605641>>215605687filtered
>>215605689Yes, unrealistic characters, over the top drama, director inserting his creepy fetishes and robot fights filtered me.
>>215605703you're just proving me right
>>215605660I still can't get over the fact that the catchphrase is "We ARE the people". Literally every other word except the ARE being emphasized would make more sense.
>>215604967it's not cope at all, kamikaze could take out high value targets with minimal losses. simple fact.
I watched whole eva only when i was much older and I think its the reson I dont dig this as some other anons which watch this when they were angsty teens.I legit had few friends that identified with shinji, something that even for a loser like myself is hard to do because hes basicly written to be as pathetic as it can be, overdrawn to the limit.>hes best eva pilot!Because of his link with mother, not that its his abilities alone make him formidable pilot. They use him because they got nobody else (others get KO-ed pretty early into series) and he just rolls with it because he dont have any agenda/thought outside of being the ulimate doormat. Ending doesnt even redeem him that much, hes still a doormat, albeit a conclusive one.
>>215605675that's why ep 15 is when the tone starts to turnthough id say misato's relationship woth kaji ia also important
>>215605722for me it was the other way around, didn't get into it as a teenager and didn't finish it but ended up really liking it when i gave it another chance years later. there's enough going on textually and in the production that you don't have to be exactly at the same stage of your life to engage
>literally a cartoon about robots made by some pervert >bro, it's super deep
>>215605742I agree that eva got some neat ideas, its fun to juggle them around in your head, but shinji as a mc is like a mentalporn session in a form of character exposition.
>>215605791non-perverts can't create kino
>>215605802Mentaltortureporn*
>>215605724>though id say misato's relationship woth kaji ia also importantFor sure. One thing that's stood out to me as I get older is how the adults in the show parallel the kids in a lot of ways. When I first watched Eva when I was like 15, it didn't really occur to me that the adults were just as fucked up and broken inside. I mean, I knew, but I didn't know the extent of it I guess. Misato has a lot of parallels with Asuka, although not entirely the same. And Gendo with Shinji, which is obviously made more explicit in the Rebuilds. Kaji is probably the only one who isn't a complete mess, but I'm sure even that is debatable. Also one thing that really bugs me is when people say the show is perverted for its portrayal of sexuality regarding teenagers. It's not fetishistic to me at all. I think the whole show is Anno looking back over his life, and coming to an understanding of how his sexual development as a child and teenager shaped him into who is today. Those experiences become you, they're part of the fabric of your Self well into adulthood, and contextualizing them can lead you to a deeper understanding of yourself. There's nothing perverted about that.
>>215605823>It's not fetishistic to me at all.Because you're a weeb. Sorry, tripping, falling on a naked girl and grabbing her tit is not a common occurrence.
>>215605823He just hides it better, like in his talk with Shinji while he's staying the night. Like how Ritsuko would come off the same way if she died before getting pushed to her breaking point in last few episodes.
>>215605808This is sad but true.
>>215605858Heterosexual desire is not a fetish.
>>215605858That specific situation? No, it's probably not common. But embarrassing sexual situations with the opposite gender at a young age before you're fully aware of your libido are not uncommon in the slightest, and can be an important stage in sexual development. It's only perverted if YOU view it that way. The show is heavily influenced by Freudian psychosexuality. Do you think that Freud was a pervert for talking about anal and penile fascinations in young children? You can bury your head in the sand about it if you like, but human beings don't spend their entire adolescence as entirely unsexual beings and then magically their libido pops into existence when they turn 18. Look back on your own life, did you not have any sexual thoughts or experiences as a teenager? Sexual development begins at a young age and persists all through your life. Acknowledging and contextualizing that is not the same as saying you want to fuck a 14 year old.
>>215598784I don't remember what happened in the movie, does he save the world?
>>215606060It all comes tumbling down
>>215606060define "save"
>>215606060Soulless NPCs all get joined into an anomalous goop. The characters with souls to protect them survive to rebuild.
Why are zoomers such prudes? Look at all the comments in this thread calling Anno and Shinji perverts. I always thought being exposed to free internet porn would make this generation mature earlier but here we are.
>>215606327they're incels who have only interacted with their own sexuality through porn and never had genuine sexual experiences, so they're unable to view teenage sexuality as a normal thing and can only see it as pornography
>>215599086>a perceived rejectionThis happens when in Evangelion?Shinji is shellshocked from his mother being killed and his father being a psycho, and keeps a distance from everyone, even when they're throwing themselves at him (as Asuka does a few times).He's also latently gay, maybe? I didn't really get what was going on with that Kawuro stuff.
>>215606374>He's also latently gay, maybe? I didn't really get what was going on with that Kawuro stuff.The stuff with Nagisa was the exact opposite of gay. He offered Shinji an opportunity for intimacy in a safe way, without the expectations of sexuality that interactions with the girls had. All the gay jokes were just that, jokes, to show Shinji that there really was nothing complicated going on.
>>215606457That's very gay, but I think I get you anon. Basically an "if balls dont touch..." situation between them, so shinji could explore and basically chill
>>215606806>This happens when in Evangelion?It happens frequently between Shinji and Asuka. First, Asuka perceives Shinji as rejecting her advances when she flirts with him and kisses him earlier in their relationship, when Shinji is really just too naive to perceive the advances. She draws away and becomes cold, then continues to slip mentally until she's basically catatonic at the end of the series. At this point, Shinji approaches her because he's also at rock bottom and wants to connect somebody, but Asuka is already gone and he perceives her non-responsiveness as rejection. During his introspection in Instrumentality, there's a lot of references to general feelings of rejection as well, and some pretty explicit dialogue regarding how Shinji projects his own self hatred onto others and perceives it as rejection.As for the Kaworu thing, I don't really think he's gay. It's been long speculated that he might be a bit bisexual but idk.I don't think he would have actually gone through with anything sexual with him. I think he just didn't know how to handle somebody showing him straightforward affection. Also, I have a feeling that with Kaworu being an angel and able to manipulate AT fields, he might have been able to push past Shinji's AT field and literally get closer to his soul than anybody else could.
>>215606936meant for >>215606374
>>215599103It's a very fembrained series
>>215598784Imagine getting filtered this hard by Evangelion.OP is an NPC, no other explanation is possible.
>>215599206>Most men fail to find a permanent mate. Hence, the high male suicide rate.LmaoI doubt men kill themselves because they don't have access to a hole
>>215599267Except Anno never ever read the bible and doesnt evne know what episode is john s4e19
>>215598784Literally had to watch the movie in my high school philosophy class.
>>215599086This is a show beloved by girls, and all these demoralization tactics against lonely men is really insane to me because I know many lonely girls really feel the same way as these men do. They aren't willing to enter some phone app meat market because it is obviously just for sex for whores, and it is very hard to meet people these days in real life.
>You hate yourself, don't you? That's why you hurt others. You know that hurting others hurts you more than it hurts them. But no matter what lies ahead, it will be the result of your own decisions. That means something, Shinji! It means you made a difference! Don't lie to yourself, think about what you can do, and make amends. >You're just a stranger, Ms. Misato! You don't know anything about me!>So what if I'm a stranger? You just want to give up?! If you don't do anything now, I'll never forgive you! I'll never forgive you for as long as I live! You won't always be who you are now. You'll learn that you made mistakes and regret them. That's me in a nutshell. A cycle of false elation and self-loathing. But each time, I made a little more progress. Listen, Shinji, pilot your Eva again and figure things out with the you who piloted the Eva - why you came here, what you were meant to do here. Figure out who you are now. And when you've worked it out, make sure you come back.
>>215606327They're the most incel and gay generation in the whole fucking human history, I feel more respect for some primitive coomer jungle savage than these preachy eunuchs
Fuck this shit.
>>215611469Basedsato and based Anon for having the media literacy to read the subtitles so he knows what is going on.
>>215612816It's kino.
>>215613588Literally raped the franchise harder than the Star Wars prequels.
