>Don't try to frighten us with your sorcerer's ways, Lord Vader. Your sad devotion to that ancient religion that policed the entire galaxy a mere 20 years ago and had a huge temple in the middle of our capital has not helped you conjure up the stolen data tapes.
>>215609857Dogshit series
>>215609857It makes even less sense if you take to account the Filoni sloppa and old Expanded Universe where there's inquisitors and Dark Side adepts running around the Empire.
>>215609857even back then George had dementia and just made it up as he went along
>>215609857one of the most confusing things lucas ever tried to add into the SW universe. only 19 years pass between revenge and new hope. how the fuck have the jedi already fallen into myth and legend?
>>215609857>Listen here, famously dangerous wizard who works for an even more dangerous celebrity wizard, wizarding is bullshit and for queers
>>215609857Well, he was right
>>215609857>>215609908>>215609945Falun gong is illegal in China and they abduct any practitioners and harvest their organs. The mere mention of it can send you to jail. It's not hard to erase one particular religion from public knowledge if youre in authoritarian power for 20 years.
>>215609945It's a big galaxy, and there's only a handful of Jedi in existence.As far as the average person is considered, the Jedi were a legendary myth even at their peak, let alone after their decline. Throughout all the media set in the Star Wars universe we see plenty of bounty hunters, military officers and many others tasked with hunting down or protecting Jedi and even these fuckers barely believe in their existence even when they've got one standing right up to their face.
>>215609945The fall of the republic and the jedi seemed to be a much more gradual thing in the original concept, like it was declining for centuries until the jedi and the force were very small and irrelevant.
>>215610096>>215610098i mean that all makes sense but the other side of it is its a galaxy with a camera at like every door and on every droid, which is basically everywhere
>Jedi sound like ancient, wise, mystical knights>Joking, there are thousands of them and they all get killed by a bunch of droids, later clones by charging like retards
>>215609945Yeah, I remember thinking this even when I was a kid. We all know the answer is George Lucas nor anyone could have ever expected Star wars to become the behemoth that it did
>>215610098They were guardians of peace and justice for thousands of years, and the galactic senate was using them like cops until the Star Wars equivalent of 2006
>>215609857tbf, he was completely on point re: vader's powers not being of any help against the rebels, although it's still weird he forgot about space wizards running the galaxy and using the force when he was younger
>>215609857You are aware that 20 years ago trannies were not a thing?
>>215609857The lore was not well planned
>>215610343Incorrect
>>215610403They weren't a general thing that everyone was aware of. Mister Mongoloid, in just 10 years everything can change, especially as communications move faster, specially if the authority wants it.
>>215609945>how the fuck have the jedi already fallen into myth and legend?when did he ever say the jedi didn't exist?
>>215610474most people were aware of the jedi (even outside the republic). but not everyone had seen a jedi since they were few in number, even in their prime:>have you ever encountered a jedi knight before, sir?>well, no, but I don't--that's the viceroy of the trade federation
>>215609857>Go hop on your fucking pod-racer.It will always be my fav
>>215610537So true. It's funny how people immediately jump to conclusions that the movie doesn't corroborate.The general was mocking the ways of the Force, which to be fair were a mystery to virtually everyone but the Jedi and Sith, he didn't say the Jedi were some sort of myth.
>>215610098as far as the average person is concerned the empire runs the trains on time and the jedi are a bunch of asshole cultists who pick fights for no reason and get billions of people killed
>>215610474Calling other people stupid doesn’t make you look smarter, particularly when you’ve already said something completely incorrect
>>215610051>wizarding is bullshit and for queersAgreed>>215609857>stolen data tapes>tapesThey have an empire spanning the galaxy and they still keep data on tapes? Do they keep data on vinyl?
>>215610929>here's ur data bro
>>215610929it is set a long time ago, isn't it?
>>215609857>>215609945You're both dramatically overestimating the Jedi's presence in everyday life of the Republic during the prequel period, because protagonist viewpoints are Jedi.>>215610343>>215610474You are aware you propagate trannies on 4chan more than actual trannies do, Mr. Mongoloid?
>>215611028Days of Future Passed
>>215609945they didn't. You're a retarded faggot making up headcanon. Probably ESL too. Every fucking thing in the script indicates they were recently deposed.
>>215611090>You're both dramatically overestimating the Jedi's presence in everyday life of the Republic during the prequel periodThe big pyramid in the middle of the capital was a presence.
>>215609857you would think that devotion to an ancient religion would help you coungur up the stolen data tapes.
>>215611146What, you mean one building on a city that spans an entire fucking planet?
>>215609857why is his mana bar so low
Lucas fucked this up when writing the prequels. It would have been made much more sense for the Jedi to act in the shadows, and have a secret building where they have their council meetings.
>>215610997What's that; cider house rules?
>>215611090princess leah, I am here to mog you.
>>215609945If you talk about them, the notGestapo comes and collects you, so everyone denounces them and doesn't say shit.Is that really so hard to grasp?Additionally there were like ten thousand of them around for an entire galaxy, so while someone might intellectually know they exist you'll hardly ever meet one outside of the news.
>>215611223go shove your fanfic ideas somewhere else. why would the jedi act in the shadows or have a secret building anywhere? LMAO
>>215609857Honestly Motti did nothing wrong. Vader was pretty flamboyant the way he pooftered around in that cape choking people, and Motti never even called him a faggot. I would've.
>>215611179You dont notice St. Paul's Cathedral in london obviously because its surrounded by other buildings, the being the leaders of the army I doubt they are included in many important matters.
>>215611146Yeah because everyone in a galactic spanning polity spends their day in the central district of Coruscant. Sure Jedi were known of but there was likely less than 1% of Galactic citizens that ever directly met or dealt with a Jedi in their lifetimes.>>215611127Luke wasn't familiar with The Force and asked Ben about it. Sure he was a hayseed but Han got around and he scoffed at the idea of Jedi as being old superstition that didn't matter.
>>215610605it's almost as if Lucas establishes consistent details all over the movies and people go out of their way to believe in the complete opposite
>>215611351>Yeah because everyone in a galactic spanning polity spends their day in the central district of Coruscant. Sure Jedi were known of but there was likely less than 1% of Galactic citizens that ever directly met or dealt with a Jedi in their lifetimes.It's like saying people in China or India dont know americans or the White House.
>>215611351>Luke wasn't familiar with The Force and asked Ben about itnot knowing about the Force ≠ not knowing about the JediLuke doesn't ask what a Jedi is. Most people know about the Jedi
>>215611351im gonna tell my kids thats a photo of a gang of serial killers and rapists from the 70s
>>215611421it is
>>215610361Hmm, looking back making Leia his sister was rather unnecessary and made the universe smaller.
>>215609945You don't remember what happened last year, lest alone 19 years.
>>215611444imagine an AI crime documentary about the real truth behind Star Wars
>What the fuck, how come people in an oppressive dictatorship adopt the state view, leading to a new generation only knowing whatever shit got censored?!?1
>>215611351not a single person in the story has ever questioned the word "Jedi". Luke is the only character not familiar with The Force and his backstory is living in the middle of nowhere and his uncle trying to shield him from anything like that. Han's problem with the force is people saying it controls his destiny. He admits he's seen strange stuff on his travels. Many characters that have nothing to do with Jedi say "May the Force be with you". If anything the The Force is even more prevalent and known by the general population than in the prequels.
>>215609857what the FUCK was this dipshit thinking?
>>215609857>mere 20 years agoThere's plenty things that meant a lot 20 years ago and now mean nothing
>>215610605this, plus just because you were aware of the jedi doesn't mean you would believe in or respect their religion. the galaxy is already full of weird crap. the jedi mind trick? the suckdickians from planet coom can do the same shit because they sweat narcotizing pheromones or whatever. the actual important claim of the jedi religion is that they're uniquely connected to a cosmic spirit that controls everyone's fate, which people like motti or han solo have no reason to believe in just because you've shown them you can do some telekinesis.
>>215611619>If anything the The Force is even more prevalent and known by the general population than in the prequels.based on what? KEK
>>215611715>this, plus just because you were aware of the jedi doesn't mean you would believe in or respect their religionprecisely. that's the whole point of the scene in the OP. to contrast the materialistic mindset of the imperials against the spiritual and cosmic mindset of the jedi/sith
>>215609857in the first movie it was obvious the empire had been around 40-50 years
>>215612202Nazi Germany, the obvious basis for the Empire, only lasted 12 years
>>215611090>>215610098Everyone in that room was already climbing the ranks of galactic politics by the time Order 66 happened. Palpy made a public fucking speech about it.
>>215611610>state view >the Emperor literally gave a speech about the Jedi attacking him >Vader is the Emperor's headsman
>>215611399Knowing about doesn't equivocate to dealing with in person or even meeting any agent of such group in person.>>215611421You might not be wrong, they got up to some shit back in the day!>>215611619>Many characters that have nothing to do with Jedi say "May the Force be with you"The only ones that do are Rebels who likely invoke it as a continuity thing from the Republic to shore up the legitimacy of their cause.
>>215609945Think about even the highest individuals interaction with a jedi before the clone wars. Some dude in a tribe shows up and helps you negotiate then leaves. I highly doubt they solved most problems by igniting a laser sword and doing back flips.
>>215612837>I highly doubt they solved most problems by igniting a laser sword and doing back flips.yet this was all George ever wanted to show.>this weapon is your lifebravo
>>215612817>Knowing about doesn't equivocate to dealing with in person or even meeting any agent of such group in personNever said it did. The Jedi were extinct when Luke was born. Doesn't mean he doesn't know about the Jedi from the history books, no different than him knowing about the old republic or the clone wars
>>215611289>why would the jedi act in the shadows or have a secret building anywhere?Because George wrote them as being mythical and unseen by Han Solo (who was in his mid 20s in ANH). That and Motti clearly saw Jedi and saw the power they weilded 20 years ago you zoomer retard.
>>215611610>leading to a new generation only knowing whatever shit got censored?!?1Everyone in that room with Vader were old boomers. They would have known about jedi and the force. It was bad writing. The prequels didn't properly tie in with OT lore.
>>215613600Yes, they are party functionaries.You think any of them would go against the state propaganda that the jedi were lame and gay? One wrong word and their comrades denounce them.
>>215613600>They would have known about jedi and the force.they literally do know about them, they just don't respect them. this is clear in the movie and has been explained multiple times in the thread but you're going to keep ignoring it so you can keep being mad about an imaginary plothole.>It was bad writing. The prequels didn't properly tie in with OT lore.if there was a contradiction at all it would have nothing to do with the prequels, since the first movie already contrasts obi wan claiming the jedi were crucial to the republic within living memory with people like solo and motti dismissing them. does that mean "OT lore" is in conflict with itself? no, you tard, it means different characters in the movie hold different worldviews.>>215613578>Motti clearly saw Jedi and saw the power they weilded 20 years agohe saw a bunch of monks that could do little magic tricks whose religion did not save them from getting genocided, so he has no respect for it. where's the contradiction?
>>215609857He wasn't denying the existence of the Jedi or the force, he was just mocking Vader >lol you really think your wizard powers are better than my planet destroying battle station?
>>215609945Honestly, prequels were a mistake. Not speaking on the films themselves, some shit in in it is cool, but Star Wars works better when you just leave it as one movie. Let the lore be mysterious and unexplained. Vader being Luke's father is also dumb. Vader is just thje james bond muscle and Tarkin is the bad guy, but Lucas realized he survived and looked cool. So Vader comes back as the main bad guy. The original line "Obi-wan killed your father" is actually way more interesting dramatically. It asks better questions.
>>215609945>memoryholing things is... LE UNREAL AND CONFUSINGhow the fuck have the plandemic and mandatory vaxx already fallen into myth and legend?
>>215609857>"We built this giant space station that can travel anywhere in the whole galaxy, and all you can do is pick up small objects and throw them! Whooptee-fuckin-doo!"How does Vader respond without getting mad?
>>215614038>he saw a bunch of monks that could do little magic tricks whose religion did not save them from getting genocided, so he has no respect for it.Yeah, because being outnumbered 50,000 to 1 doesn't matter. kys retard
>>215613720>You think any of them would go against the state propaganda that the jedi were lame and gay? One wrong word and their comrades denounce them.State propaganda never said the Jedi weren't real. They said they were a powerful threat that tried to kill Palpatine.
>>215614038>since the first movie already contrasts obi wan claiming the jedi were crucial to the republicWhen did Obi Wan claim the Jedi were crucial to the Republic? State these exact quote.Let me guess>"For over a thousand generations Jedia were the guardians of peace and justice in the old Republic". Again, this comes off as a secret organization, and Motti+Han's talk of Jedi backs this up. Instead in the prequels Jedi whip out their lightsabers constantly and say "Jedi business, move along".
>>215614552for people who claim to be speaking to god? no, being outnumbered a million to one should not matter. their religion lost, so it must have been a loser religion.
>>215614668>for people who claim to be speaking to god?When did this happen?
>>215609945>Don't try to frighten us with your sorcerer's ways, Lord Vader. Your sad devotion to that ancient religion hasn't helped you conjure up the stolen data tapes or given you clairvoyance enough to find the rebels' hidden fortre-ACKWhere ever in there does he imply that Motti doesn't believe in the Force at all? Motti just mocks that it hasn't been enough to enable Vader to succeed. Motti's only mistake was thinking Vader's status as the Empire's Warlord had been sufficiently undermined by the increased powers of the moffs that he could openly mock Vader on what he mistakenly believed was 'neutral' ground.Also>10,000 total Jedi, of which super-majority were cloistered in the Temple at all times in a Galactic civilization of 100 trillions>The tangible powers of the Jedi are just run fast, jump high, real good at laser swordingThe best power of Force users is 'plot armor' and that isn't something that can be caught on a holotape, otherwise they are just appear to be really good assassins and diplomats. They also publicly had a terrible track record during the Clone Wars such that the Galactic public was openly calling for them to be removed from command. And then they were all just dunked on by a few thousand Stormtroopers and wiped out. Then 20 years pass. Is it any wonder that nobody is really impressed with Force users by then? Except those that personally had seen Vader curbstomping at the front lines, which was rarely any officers since they remained in orbit or in the rear, only the line troops knew what Vader was really capable of. Vader had to continually execute people precisely because all the elites assumed his abilities was all propaganda and hype and was canonically sick of having to do it so much.
>>215610098>there's only a handful of Jedi in existencenope. According to disney canon, every pack of cereal contains an order 66 jedi survivor.You could've had the EU canon but instead you chose complacency and indifference when George sold out.
>>215614638>Again, this comes off as a secret organizationnope. there is not a single hint in your quote of them being a secret organization. there is no implication of secrecy in the term "guardian of peace and justice." that's just a fancy way of saying law enforcement.>Instead in the prequels Jedi whip out their lightsabers constantlyyou mean like how in anh obiwan whips out his lightsaber in a bar fight lmao? why would a secret organization even use extremely conspicuous glowing swords as their only weapon?
>>215614853Here's what I don't understand Thrawn is clearly from pre-Disney EU but disney is fucking with him and him only because...?
>>215614699in every star wars movie?
>>215609945There were only tens of thousands of Jedi in a galaxy with TRILLIONS of sentient life forms. Most people even at the height of the republic never saw a Jedi in their entire life.
>>215614853>you could have chosen a different pile of awful fanfiction by hacksno thanks, all i'll ever need is the six movies.
>>215611351>served a major military role as commanders during the clone wars>have a big ass temple headquarters in the central district of CoruscantKinda implies that at the very least, most important people in galactic politics/military would be familiar with them. Tarkin and most of the imperial officers were in the republic army during the clone wars
>>215614998I keep hearing this parroted bullshit, yet it never comes with any examples. Post some of them.Oh right, *none* of them come even close to the retardation and infantile diarrhea of nu-wars.
>>215611090SEX with Lucy Skywalker.
>>215609857>>215609945So tired of these retarded meme. He never implied the Jedi were a myth or didn’t exist, he simply stated that Vader’s devotion to the force was sad and that it didn’t help him find the rebels or the stolen Death Star plans (all true btw).
>>215614853EU slop had like 5 times more surviving Jedi. The big bad of Legacy was literally a prequel era glup shitto jedi who became a sith lord, and another prequel era glup shitto had his own secret underground Jedi academy and was training cade skywalker.Fuck EU and fuck Disney. If it wasn't made by George Lucas directly it can suck a dick.
>>215614575I assume most galactic citizens are aware that what the Empire is telling them is propaganda, and just assume the Jedi are some boogeyman the government made up to get the masses on their side
>>215615093>EU slop had like 5 times more surviving Jedi.no, it didn't. It didn't have helicopter lightsabers or space chinese inquisitors and niggers either. You're just making shit up because you're a furious secondary.
>>215609945Well amongst mud farming peasants on desert world 3000 that's completely plausible.For people from core worlds that were well educated it's entirely implausible.Also, since no one posted the best copy pasta this shitty board ever produced, I'll do the honors.
>>215615111Yes, it literally did. People have counted.>Canon: 22 survivors with unknown fates (largely easter eggs of Legends survivors from the Path wall), 6 survivors confirmed alive as of the start of A New Hope>Legends: 60 other survivors with unknown fates, 50 confirmed survivors alive as of A New Hope, 16 more Inquisitors or otherwise Imperial defectorshttps://numidianprime.wordpress.com/2023/06/06/jedi-survivors-running-the-numbers/Eat a bag of dicks, faggot. You are a secondary by definition, because you consume retarded secondary merchandise fanfiction. Nice projections. Anything not made by George Lucas is secondary fanfiction slop.
>>215615068>yet it never comes with any examples. Post some of them.everything by kevin j anderson was so retarded and infantile i hated it even when i was 12, and he was a major figure that wrote many crucial books and comics. timothy zahn is also a cringy hack and he's the most universally fellated of eu writers. none of it is worth anything except for a couple of video games.>Oh right, *none* of them come even close to the retardation and infantile diarrhea of nu-wars.i don't care that there's an even smellier pile of new diarrhea . it doesn't make the old one any better. none of it is worth reading.
>Motti thinks Vader is too devoted to the force despite it not helping him in his mission>Solo says he’s seen many strange and inexplicable things across the galaxy, but nothing to make him personally believe in the forceSomehow retards translate this into>nobody even remembers the jedi from 20 years ago
>>215615025>important people in galactic politics/military would be familiar with them. Tarkin and most of the imperial officers were in the republic army during the clone warsyes, and they were familiar with them. that's why when vader says "the force" motti doesn't go "the what?" but "not that old gay nonsense again."
>>215609857The empire killed all the jedi, which is why the imperial officer is not impressed by Vader who is a former jedi himself. And Vader didn't recover the data tapes, ranting about the force being powerful won't change that.
>>215609857Literally the flatearther / antivaxer of the star wars universe.
>>215615201>kevin j andersonAw fuck, he ruined Star Wars too? I mostly know him from ruining Dune.
>>215615197You are a secondary because you're not even a fan of the setting.>Canon: 22 survivors with unknown fatesincluding the cantina jeet in Kenobi? Including debra wilson? Including all of the inexplicably numerous dark side force users that appeared out of nowhere? Nigger 22 is the number of jedi survivors in the Clone Wars show alone lmao. Complete with reddit spacing. What a dumb fucking shitskin nigger you are>>215615201>one author out of a hundredI wrote cringe star wars fanfiction as a kid too, does that make EU tainted? No, it doesn't.
Why didn't this nigga use the force on the datacard or the dude carrying it lmao?
>>215615337Yeah, faglord. They have literally listed names of every single survivor, in both Canon and Legends. I literally linked it to you. Like I said, eat a bad of dicks, secondary faggot, lmao. You just love seeing someone go into BSOD denial seething mode when they just got proven wrong with hard evidence. True schizo behavior.
>>215612405>Nazi Germany, the obvious basis for the EmpireThen there should be Imperial officers with German accents. As the series went on, it became a trope that all Imperial officers were British, because George was still seething about "muh British Empire" even though it was long in the past. This convention continued into the prequels where the evil Senator was played by McDiarmid with a British accent. If kids hadn't seen the original trilogy, they would know the character was evil because he sounded British and that signalled sinister intentions in the cinematic language of Lucas.This would make sense of Star Wars had come out in 1907, but it came out in 1977. At that point in time, it would have been more true to life if the Imperials were Americans.
>>215615654>Then there should be Imperial officers with German accents>everyone wearing Wehrmacht uniforms and stahlhelms>stormtroopers>the space battles are 1:1 movements of WW2 stock footage
>>215615337>hurrr post an example>durr that doesn't count because it's just an examplei would give you more names but i don't remember every gay star wars novel i read when i was 12. all i know is i read like 50+ of them and wouldn't recommend any. you could be reading actual books instead of licensed fanfiction by hacks that couldn't make it as real writers.>>215615307yup. i was so butthurt because dune was what i graduated to after i got sick of star wars crap and around the time i was done with frank's books i found out about the other ones and read the name on the cover and went fuuuuuuuu
>>215609945Ultimately this is just evidence that prequels are inherently retarded. You can't possibly plan all this stuff out ahead of time and make it coherent. The prewuels were just an opportunity to make money piggybacking off a successful franchise.
>>215611090Those pics are so cursed. I would burn them if they were physical.
>>215609857>sorcerer's waysWait, he is a Sorcerer? Has this ever been addressed?
>>215614110>He wasn't denying the existence of the Jedi or the force, he was just mocking Vader ThisOP is a faggot
>>215610361He was talking about bigger Luke.
>>215615727Yeah, the iconography of the Empire is German. So why do they do they sound British? Why conflate the two, making out they're the same thing? I'm convinced that George had an old-fashioned American hate-boner toward the British, and he projected all the crimes of the world onto us, rather than acknowledging the flaws of his own people. The Death Star symbolises the atomic bomb, and only one country has dropped that bomb in a war. George's country.
>>215611218Underrated comment.
>>215611494Already in the making, saar.
>>215610096But I see a section in the Vancouver Christmas parade every year that says FALUN DAFA IS GOOD.Explain that, smart guy.
>>215616083>onto usRashid, I...
>>215609892FpwpYou are part of the dark side!
>>215616704If you want to look at demographics, let's look at the US. German-Americans are the largest demographic group among the whites in your country. The unfortunate truth is that Germans actually won the second world war, because they rule over the US and their president is a half-German too. But in the George Lucas fantasy land, the Brits are the antagonists of the galaxy.
>>215609857>Cool it with the Anti-Jedi remarks
>>215609945don't they have movies in the SW universe?you figure there would have been a ton of Clone War and Jedi massacre movies, considering how many fucking holocaust movies we get every year.
>>215617427>don't they have movies in the SW universe?SW is built with the parts of old movies, and it rehearses movie conventions as a matter of form. The irony is that the setting only works if the characters are ignorant of those movies. Somehow, defying explanation, the galaxy goes on without a cinema, even as its residents imitate our real-world cinema.
>>215617427they only have these short looping holotiktoks where a princess tells you you're her only hope
>>215616418Those are the Rebels on Yavin saying "May the force be with you" while not under the watchful eye of the Empire.
>>215609945Lucas is a greedy toy designer. He doesn't care as long as it sells his toys. Every new character, race, ship design, droids etc were designed to be toyetic from the start. Their backstories came later.
>>215618212There must be some kind of galactic television, but Lucas and the other writers have always been vague about how that works.
>>215610361I only recently had this pointed out to me and it fucked me up for days
>>215609945How long did it take for the Knight's Templar to fall into near-mythical status and conspiracy theory?
>>215610361it's fun that the original "trilogy" is actually>a completely standalone movie>a movie retconning that movie so as to extend the story into a long saga>a movie retconning the previous two so as to end the story immediately and not have to make that long saga
>>215616083It's because he had access to professionally trained British actors
>>215610096They were at a street fair in my neighborhood and they gave out pamphlets with swastikas on it,including to a Hasidic family which got a bit of a laugh out of me lol
>>215609857The best way to watch Star Wars is simply to not think of any trilogy except the one you’re watching. Trying to connect the original trilogy with the prequels, or try to understand how everything in this franchise led to Palp and Rey giving each other seizures with strobe lights will actually make you insane.
>>215618911I dunno,how long?
>>215609857*stops being choked*Now go get your fucking podracer
>>215609945The Nazis spoke of the Weimar republic in the same tone.
>>215619513The Rise of Skywalker managed to make the Emperor dull and disappointing. He was a highlight of the prequels, but in JJ's hands he became a tedious reference, among all the other references.
>>215621240This is easily disproved given the book burnings that occurred in 1933 were of books promoting homosexuality, Marxism etc
>>215609945>only 19 years pass between revenge and new hope. how the fuck have the jedi already fallen into myth and legend?Same way all you mouth breathing fucktard zoomers keep calling EVERYONE older than you a "boomer" even if they aren't in the Boomer generation.He LITERALLY refers to it as an "ancient religion", yes, dumb fuck, add another 19 years on to an ANCIENT RELIGION and its still ANCIENT. God DAMN you faggots are fucking retarded!
>>215621550"ancient religion" implies something consigned to the distant past. You can pretend not to see this, but no one will be convinced.
>>215616083>why do they do they sound British?Because it's an American film and the British are ruled by Germans.
>>215609857Is he wrong?
>>215611090>You're both dramatically overestimating the Jedi's presence in everyday life of the Republic during the prequel period, because protagonist viewpoints are Jedi.Anakin was a poor enslaved nine year old on a backwater planet on the edge of the galaxy so far from Coruscant that its money didn't even work, and he was able to clock Qui-Gon as a Jedi almost immediately.
>>215609857Retarded take. Using just what is said in the original 1977 Star Wars>vader and obi wan were jedi together >vader betrayed and murdered Luke's father>luke is a young man still whining about not being able to hang out with his friends instead of working on the farmIt's clear that the downfall of the jedi happened relatively recently.
>>215611397>It's like saying people in China or India dont know americans or the White House.There was a time Europeans would hear stories from travelers of a land called China and they doubted such a strange land could exist. While Star Wars has hologram communicators and digital libraries it doesn't seem to have an internet or broadcast news like our world does. Many famous and powerful people are freemasons and practice openly and make no secret of being a mason. Yet many people don't know much about the freemasons and some people may even think they literally don't exist since they sound like crazy illuminati lizard shit the way many people talk about them.
>>215621550And, tell me, how does that affect you personally?
>>215613720>You think any of them would go against the state propaganda that the jedi were lame and gay? One wrong word and their comrades denounce them.This motherfucker mocks his boss to his face in a business meeting.Even if Darth's religious beliefs were entirely baseless, he could still strangle you with his real hands. Stupid motherfucker.
>>215621803Of course. You and Mel and George like to imagine Britain as a Game of Thrones soap opera. "They're just like the Nazis, they're the same thing!" This circus sideshow distracts you from the fact you're being ruled and suppressed by Germanic thugs. The cabinet secretary has a neck tattoo, but, uh, I think it's worse in Britain!
>>215615068Left seems like a ripoff of Dune.t. Not a fan of Dune. Just read the first book a few years ago.
>>215609857lord vader: I find your lack of faith disturbing...
>>215610343Based man knows history.Fags weren't a thing 30 years ago.Hook noses like to point to one or two cases to try to normalise sexual perversion and mental illness.But it is as fake as the holohoax
>>215618911>jedi are masonsIs George Lucas pro-Freemason?How should I feel about this?
>>215610474It was the sex ed that created trannies and faggos.Seriously do they teach you how to court a normal girl in honourable fashion
>>215619278How is ANH retconned by ESB?How is ESB retconned by ROTJ?
>>215622029This reminds me of that one sketch from Robot Chicken.>Lord Vader thinks he has the power to choke us with his mind. He doesn't. However, if he ever realized this, he'd cut us all in half with his lightsaber. So, for our own safety, whenever he raises his hand and makes a fist at us, we all must play along, pretend to struggle to breathe, then collapse to the floor...
>>215622295>You told me Vader killed my dad.>certain point of view lol
>>215609857>>215609945It's really not all that bad if you're not a colossal fucking retard. You guys act like Jedi were beat cops, cruising around the galaxy leaping out of patrol cars to arrest perps for littering. There were a couple thousand of them most of whom never left the temple until the Clone Wars, they acted as diplomats and negotiators who pureposefully kept a pretty low profile. To most people they were a vague legend if they knew of them at all, and almost nobody would ever have seen one at all, nevermind seen one use powers or wave a lightsaber around. It would be incredibly easy to live your entire life in the Star Wars galaxy and think Jedi were an old wives tale, a propaganda fiction, or just a bunch of weird old monks that can't do any of the shit they claim to do. Most people's interaction with "the Force" if they had one at all was with absolute fuckin' weirdos like the burkha wearing nutters or blind stick dude from Rogue One or the "healing hands" bint from the Rebel camp in Andor - how many people do you know who believe faith healers are real? And if the government started asserting that they had a cadre of psychic warriors who're totally out there doing important psychic warrior stuff but no you can't see them and no we won't do public independent testing to prove they're real, would you just take that at face value? Then factor in that huge swaths of the Imperial warmachine were people who very pointedly *weren't* involved in the Republic military during the Clone Wars and who probably looked at war footage of Jedi the way you or I would look at movies claiming Captain America was actually real and fought for the Allies in WW2.Losers like you are obsessed by Jedi, but they're an objectively tiny part of the setting, from the perspective of the setting.
>>215609945Almost as ridiculous as psyoping the whole of western society to the point of mad frenzy into believing Black Panther was the world's first black superhero movie and, through it, the ultra racism of the past would finally be overcome, all within a decade and a half of people living in a time where racism didn't exist and Blade had an teo decade old trilogy with no on giving a shit because of how nonexistent racism at the time was.
>>215609945Yeah, imagine that. So ridiculous.On an unrelated note, remember that no one forced you to take the vaccine.
>>215609857Agreed, Lucas was too generous and, if anything, oversold it. He should have said it was only 20 months, then had some Empire fact checkers come and confirm that thing literally everyone saw happen didn't and everyone saying it did was a domestic terrorist spreading fake news.
>>215624066I think most of your explanation comes from the Expanded Universe of spinoffs. If we judge the situation solely by what we see in the films, it seems there's a close integration of church and state, with the Jedi being the only religion attached to the Senate and permitted to meddle in its affairs. We never hear about alternative belief systems in Star Wars, excepting the Sith belief, which is only a mirror of the Jedi. When the Trade Fed place a blockade on Naboo, it's two Jedi, not two politicians, who are sent to negotiate the problem, with the implicit threat of violence behind their arrival, soon becoming actual violence. They ARE beat cops, and worse than that, they're beat cops in a theocracy. They're government enforcers with a religious bent.
>>215609857He should have gotten laid for saying this to vaders face
>>215609857The empire implemented fascist information control about the jedi to quell dissent. Promotions became motivated by who best complied with the propaganda rather than job competency. As a result, the upper echelon of the empire got flooded with a bunch of retarded yes-men who say shit like, "the jedi aren't real, that's a lie cooked up by the (((trade federation)))".If you don't understand how this could happen in the span of 20 years might I direct you to the trump administration.
>>215610361SW would have been better if Luke and Leia became a couple despite being siblings.
>>215609857Religion operates on spirituality an beliefs. There was very little of that outside the Jedi order. People knew about Jedi but to the general public it seems to have lost every mystical component and was just another alien thing in a galaxy filled with weird alien stuff.
>>215609857I bet this guy was a nepobaby who got his position because his father knew Tarkin
>>215624966>job competencyAs if Vader is a model of competency. He's a constant fuckup, and he had to hire bounty hunter scum to find Solo because even with all the resources at his disposal, even with his own personalised Star Destroyer, he wasn't capable of doing it himself. Motti was right to call this clown into question. Luke Skywalker has used the force to good effect, but what has Vader done with it? Nothing.
>>215610361Yoda could have foreseen Leia escaping though. Or he didn’t know Leia was on Bespin.>>215610929It’s a 70s/80s sci fi franchise. Happens often that tech that seems futuristic is suddenly outdated (see Blade Runner and Gundam). Plus, Star Wars is set a long time ago
>>215614470He was just breaking balls. Vader was actin like a fuckin’ jerk
>>215625347Fuck off Motti, this is a Sith board.
>>215615093George Sequels would have been as bad as Disney Sequels thats why he sold the saga George is a hack a false savior without his wife Star Wars would never have been a success
For me, it’s Partagaz
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>>215625564 MOTTI Hey, look at him. Anakin. You grew up. VADER (preening a little) Motti, how are you? MOTTI (smiling broadly at Vader and Tarkin) Son of a bitch. Get over here. VADER walks over and MOTTI, too aggressively, grabs VADER around the neck. VADER doesn't like it. VADER (forcing a laugh) Hey, Motti. Watch the cape. MOTTI (squeezing Vader's cheek, a little too hard) Listen to him. "Watch the cape," he says. A little pisser I've known all my life. Hey, Vader, don't go get too big. VADER Don't go busting my balls. Okay? MOTTI (laughing, to the crowd at the bar) Busting his balls? (to Vader) If I was busting your balls, I'd send you home for your pod racer.
>>215615197>https://numidianprime.wordpress.com/2023/06/06/jedi-survivors-running-the-numbers/>all that effort to put this together only to not link to each entry's wookipedia articlebut why
>>215609857He was mostly right and knew the Death Star was making Vader obsolete but he didn't anticipate that another force user that can guide proton torpedoes was out in the wild.
Even with the prequels his line is not wrong at all. 20 years is being generous actually.
>>215609945He fundamentally misunderstood the jedi and their role in the universe in relation to how they are understood in the original trilogy. Consequently you get a universe that doesn't make much sense internally.
>>215609945Because there were only a few thousand Jedi in a galaxy with trillions of people. Most people had never seen a Jedi. They were just stories to the majority of the population.
>>215610755Nonsense. Everyone celebrated when the Emperor died.
>>215610361He was talking about Starkiller.
>>215610361It gets even better in Disney canon. Obi-Wan beat the shit out of Vader twice. Why do they need Luke and Leia?
>>215609945I don't disagree with you in concept BUT to be fair, even at the time of Empire it was canon that Vader was Luke's dad, and Luke is obviously no older than 20 years old, so the fall of the Republic could not have been much longer ago than that. But also also, it wasn't set in stone that Vader's fall to the Dark Side had to coincide with the fall of the Republic, unless I am missing some dialog.I think all Lucas needed to do was make Jedi seem more legendary and mythic in the prequels, like MAYBE not have a gigantic temple in the middle of the galaxy's capital city devoted to the Jedi. It would be kind of hard for people today, for example, to say that Buddhist monks are a myth if in 2005 they had a giant monastery in downtown New York City.
>>215610361This just proves that George is a genius if he could wing it (two trilogies) and pull it off. Now compare that to Disney winging it (their one trilogy) and having three generations of people giving them the middle finger and swearing off Star Wars for good.
>>215610098https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojDFHQC2_hc>As far as the average person is considered, the Jedi were a legendary myth even at their peak,Nope, don't be a nigger.
>>215611281>If you talk about them, the notGestapo comes and collects you, so everyone denounces them and doesn't say shit.This is the only remotely plausible explanation, and even this makes little sense.Star Wars is fairytale rubbish, admit it nerds.
>>215610098THEY HAD A MASSIVE FUCKING TEMPLE IN THE CAPITAL OF THE GALAXY AND WAS LITERALLY REPUBLICS ARMY FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS
>the swiss guard have existed in the vatican for over 500 years therefore billy bob on the other side of the galaxy is well acquainted with them
>>215609857>now go get your fuckin' pod racer
>>215610098EVEN A SLAVE CHILD ON AN ARAB SHITHOLE PLANET KNEW ABOUT THEM
>>215629149Stupid comparison especially because the Swiss Guard is well known around the globe.
I tell you he's gone too far. This Sith Lord sent by the Emperor will be our undoing.
>>215609857Knowledge and beliefs can be lost or redefined very fast, especially under tyrannical systems. Look how the media invented the Tulsa "Race Massacre" in a TV show 5 years ago, which now every idiot believes.
>>215616927Why do leftists do this? They did the same thing with Trump and Putin where they'd just post edited ugly images of them over and over in threads that had nothing to do with them. You never see conservatives doing shit like this.
>>215609857Even during the events of the prequels there were probably a lot that accepted jedi were good negotiators and excellent combatants with their swords, keepers of the peace n all, but not believing in the Force magic aspect of it. seeing is believing. relatively few saw it firsthand
>>215609945>how the fuck have the jedi already fallen into myth and legend?The Empire tightly controlled the Holonet. Besides if youve never seen anyone use the force you would never believe it was real anyway
>>215610929WE still have data tapes anon. Govt/military, companies use magnetic tape for long term srorage
>>215609945George Lucas predicted people having short attention spams the more tecnology advances.
>>215611127Lucas famously shortened the timeline between the clone wars and Episode 4 when the prequels came out. It's not a secret
>>215630101You directionfags are all the same
>>215630605>Besides if youve never seen anyone use the force you would never believe it was real anywayThere was probably a contingent of ppl who thought all the tales of force power magic was a story, started way back when, to help rally support for the formation of the Republic and a senate in the first place. a make-believe story to help sustain support, but not much more than that.
>>215625823Kek
>>215614827of this entire thread, i would like to congratulate you on being one of only two or three intelligent thinking sapient creatures. Thank you for existing.
>>215622295>How is ANH retconned by ESB?anakin and vader being the same person, vader being the right hand of the emperor instead of just tarkin's bodyguard, the emperor being a powerful space wizard and not a senile figurehead (although that was only in the novelization), the empire still going strong despite anh making it look like they will collapse without the death star etc>How is ESB retconned by ROTJ?leia being "the other skywalker," luke dropping all his grievances towards obiwan because "point of view," basically recreating the ending of anh so that the empire does, after all, collapse when the death star blows up. you can be pedantic about how much this meets the strict definition of "retcon" but it's obvious rotj swerves in a completely different direction from what esb was setting up, and it's a disappointing direction because they're moving backwards instead of forwards. "bro what will luke do now that he can't trust obiwan??? oh never mind he trusts him again"
>>215625619i'm glad george has been utterly vindicated and nobody serious believes this sort of nonsense anymore. "bro his wife made star wars not him!" lmao
>>215609945They don’t have a media landscape in SW. It’s a Galaxy of separate races and planets. There is something like an internet, and connected government. But the only people who know facts would be the librarians. Jedi Powers are extremely rare and there is going to be people that don’t believe it in any era. Unfortunately The EU and Prequels make it look like Jedis walk openly with lightsabers everywhere.
>>215627567>It would be kind of hard for people today, for example, to say that Buddhist monks are a myth if in 2005 they had a giant monastery in downtown New York City.why do you keep pushing this idea that "people think" the jedi "are a myth" in the original trilogy? that's literally not in those movies. you made it up.
>>215630685the clone wars are irrelevant, but the fall of the jedi was always assumed to have been ~20 years before anh since luke is about 20 and his father "died" during the fall of the jedi.
>>215609857>Your sad devotion to that ancient religion that policed the entire galaxy a mere 20 years agowouldn't he be referring to the sith religion? The religion where all of its practitioners in the prequels operated in secrecy until the very end where palpy becomes emperor?
half the people in this thread are so low iq they cannot mentally separate "belief the jedi existed" from "belief in the faith of jediism." han solo makes no statements as to whether the jedi existed, he just declares himself not to be a believer in jediism the religion. this is consistent with the prequels in which all the random people going around their business don't show any signs of believing in jediism either. they don't go to that temple to pray, they don't fall to their knees at the sight of a guy with a lightsaber. they already don't give a shit and they will continue not giving a shit even if they personally witness a jedi doing murderous lightsaber force acrobatics because that has nothing to do with believing in jediism the religion. it's just some tricks, like han solo says.
>>215631385deleted scene one of the other guys mentions Sith Lord. both the Sith and Jedi believe in the same thing, the Force. these guys were aware of some things but they're not all that knowledgablehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWeoL0lMWIg
>>215631555Bingo. the denizens of the Republic are not watching the Star Wars movies that are largely centered on Jedi/Sith pulling off all kinds of unbelievable feats
>>215630917>the empire still going strong despite anh making it look like they will collapse without the death star etcThis was never implied in Star Wars.>>215630917>basically recreating the ending of anh so that the empire does, after all, collapse when the death star blows up.This was never implied in original ROTJ.>>215631385You're equivocating a state apparatus to a religion. The religion was ancient during the time of the prequels.
>>215609857Looks like, once again, the anti-Lucas haters who drank the RLM koolaid have been roundly trounced in this thread
>>215631628>This was never implied in Star Wars.yes it was, by the conversation between the imperials.>bro we're in trouble, everybody wants to join the rebels>that's okay we're dissolving the senate>but that's going to make everyone want to join the rebels more>that's okay we will terrorize them into obedience with this death star>[genocides a planet with the death star]>[immediately loses the death star]by the logic presented in the story that's curtains for the empire. they lost their big gamble. if there were no sequels everyone watching this funny old movie from 1977 would just assume they were defeated off-screen.>This was never implied in original ROTJ.it's not as clear without the special edition footage but it's obvious that was the intention. the official novelization from 1983 ends with the sentence "the empire was dead."
The only good things in this franchise are:Genndy's Clone WarsJedi Knight vidya gamesDark Times comics
>>215609945I think of it like dragon ball z and when they go to the world tournament for the first time. People's jaws drop because magic tier superhero shit goes down. The entire series is like that infact, these people exist but have limited interactions with the population so the stories about them sound so fantastical and fall into myth
>>215609857Bump
>>215633190And the original two battlefront games
>>215622262>fags weren't a thing 15 years into the aids epidemicwho was transmitting it then, ghosts?
>>215610343trannies were villains in mainstream 80s horror films you tard
South Korea was literally ran by a shadowy feminist moon cult and no one knew about it till the impeachment of the president
>>215614901He's popular, and the original Heir to Empire books brought the EU into existence.Filoni also come up with anything original and just takes ideas from the original EU at this point unless it involves Wolves
yall have no concetion of the relativity of time. the star wars sagas, the prequels even spans several worlds light years apart. the story follows charsacters that live most of their lives on ships going from planet to planet. so to people on an intergalactic jet-setting empire spanning epic. yyeah it feels like 19 yeaers. but if you lived only on tatooine, and only focused the storiy in one place than it probably would have taken 50-100 years. but also consider how quickly things get memory holed theses days, when the internet has connected the whole world. unless you were directly involved in those events you'd probably carry that memory. otherwise its just news just waiting to be replaced by latest news. not everyone in the galaxy delt with jedi or was a jedi. just like not everyone was a senator or delt with senators. people in that galaxy are reading about news that spanned an entire galaxy not just a planet. while there were alot of people flying in space ships i'd still bet most people spent most of their lives on one planet . completley reasonable this guy was skeptical becuase he was just that far removed from jedi shit and was probably recruited into the empire after the whole jedi shit. Empiore was probably supressing alot of jedi shit too. and what jedi shit you heard about was in the form of fairy tales and legends
