How exactly was he in the wrong?It's not like they were real people.
>>215618972They were digital copies of real people's minds. They were as sentient as the real thing.
>>215619323No they weren't
>>215619323I legitimately hate you fucking freak zooners and tiktok brains.
This episode was an empathy test and you failed it because you're a retarded bugman >but they wuz just lines of codeyeah and your brain is just chemical reactions and electrical signals, therefore its okay for me to torture you bro
>>215619323the men are created without genitals which means they don’t have testicles which means they aren’t sentient it’s unclear what the women lost in total in terms of organ assemblies
>>215619323They weren't, they were 0 and 1
>What kind of spaceman are you?
>>215619353I don't think you know what the word sentient means.
>>215619352how do you draw the line? is it immoral to mistreat citizens in a city builder game? npcs in an rpg? chatgpt?
>>215619392Better sapient than sentient my grandpa always said. That man had balls. I’ve seen them accidentally.
>>215619353>>215619392The soul is stored in the balls?
>>215619397none of those display actual sentience or awareness like the characters in the episode did
>>215619451How do you prove something in sentient?
>>215618972Why didn't he just program them to be happy playing star Trek with him
>>215619352why do you have less empathy for the real person than the npc
>>215619397That's a hard question to answer. As AI gets more complex we may have to start thinking about that.But as of now, videogame characters are nowhere near complicated enough to warrant any consideration at all. An ant has thousands of times more intelligence than videogame AI.But what's certain is that a 1 to 1 recreation of a human brain is off limits. It's effectively just a human at that point.
>>215619429You're only just now learning this? Why else would it hurt so bad to be kicked there?
>>215619518Good answer. Food for thought is to think about how our consciousness exists at all. Is it emergent, or inherent? Scientifically all we are is protons neutrons and electrons… yet at some point we declare that “consciousness” arises. We might also be able to create a passable copy of a human brain (which would require huge amounts of energy, while the human brain runs on a potato), but it might also be worth considering that something is inevitably lost in translation. A movie based on a book will never be the book. If being human partly means being incorporated in our bodies, there may never be a “human” AI in the way that’s most important.
>>215619323>>215619352>bro they have feelings!
>>215619323Live your own life with this belief but don't press forward thinking someone's refusal to treat a program like a human being is a sign of a lack of empathy. Overly sympathetic people are oftem victims of exploitation and manipulation of varying degrees. A rational person can distinguish between what's real and not real and know what constitutes enabling someone to help themselves and what is enabling them to depend on others. Furthermore the correlation between what someone does in fiction and reality is not a 1:1 or even 1000:1 ratio. Belief in it is is a form of guilt and suppression put on the human mind and psyche to eliminate a split between worlds where only one exists and it is controlled by the narrative.
>>215618972once vydia becomes too real, its ethically wrong.
>>215619518Just put a code to let them know it's all pretend and they are pretend
>>215619353>the men are created without genitalsBut in part 2 the showed one of them naked with a dick
>>215619864no one (me) saw that episode and it’s not canon to the first
>>215618972>>215619323>>215619352It doesn’t make a whole lot of sense that he can copy people’s minds, personalities, and experiences by getting a bit of their DNA.
>>215619352how do chemical reactions and electrical signals give phenomenal experience? oh wait, materialistfags can never explain that
>>215619915Yeah that part is absolute nonsense.A better explanation would be that he's stealing brain scans from the neural interface devices.
>>215619915If you saw it happen in an anime you'd never question it.
>>215619499Because the plot had to happen.
>>215619927By processing, storing, and recalling sensory information in a continuous feedback loop.
>>215619352no, it's a retard testrobots aren't people just because they look like people. A computer simulating human behavior is not a human, and there's no reason to assume it would any kind of internal experience of personhood. I hate media about AI because it almost always just turns the robot into a real person without justifying it in universe. If they want to say "actually we did le science and this robot is sentient" then I'd accept it, but they never do. They just assume you're going to relate to it because it looks and acts like a person. Star wars is actually one of the few movies that do it right, where regardless of how the droids act and talk, everyone knows droids are objects, not people.
>>215619352>>215618972I use this argument all the time when people say aborted fetuses aren't humans, just clumps of cells.>Yeah you mean like how you're a clump of cells also?Women seethe.
>>215620138But he's not simulating human behavior. He's simulating human brains.If it was just behavior that's no big deal. You can do that without giving it actual intelligence.
>>215620227>He's simulating human brainssource that simulations of brains are people?
>>215619352>implying this post is written by a real person and not an AIFuck you, bot
>>215618972Who gives a fuck, its just some propaganda piece because they hate unfuckable men who just want to be left alone
>>215620175That's a retarded argument because the point is about having a functional brain with enough neural complexity to give a shit about it.A fetus doesn't have enough. The pigs we slaughter every day are a thousand times more sentient than a month old fetus.As the fetus gets more and more developed this changes, which is why there's a trimester cutoff for abortions.
>The Commander is a physical representation of a dream - an idea, conceived of by the mind of a man. Its purpose: to serve human needs and interests. It's a collection of neural nets and heuristic algorithms; its responses dictated by an elaborate software written by a man, its hardware built by a man. And now... and now a man will shut it off.>Pinocchio is broken. Its strings have been cut.
>>215620370Kino. I love that episode.
>>215620059All you just did was break down sensory experience. You didn't even touch the actual question of why there is a consciousness to experience it.
>>215620138Part 2 doubled down on the social commentary for midwits like you. Their defining trait for if they were deemed as human or not by others was if they had in-game credits. So you got filtered twice
Anons are seething because they self insert as picrel
>>215620870he's literally me
>>215619323This aint Christian
>>215618972He was a fucking white male
>>215620844No one watched this
>>215622350We had threads about it. Being ignorant is no excuse
>>215619352Gta npcs are not real anon.
>>215619323i cant wait until the elite trick all you retards into killing yourselves because they told you that you could soma into the ark by copying your brain into a social media platform and then 'live for ever' in the cloud. Help fight climate change, become a net-zero carbon hero today!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqaAs_3azSs
>>215619323>>215619352peak hylic
>>215622446But they should be
>>215622487then 5 years after enough people die they will shut it down because 'it isnt profitable anymore' and the eu regulations of data privacy will 'force' them to 'delete' everyone's digital ghost.
>>215622487Haha you mad
If my toaster or microwave had an AI that could speak and imitate human feeling (maybe with a cute face on the display), I'd probably take better care of them. I'd even say 'please' and 'thank you' when they warmed food up for me, and treat them with a polite respect--even if I understood that they weren't the same as a human. I think it would be kind of disturbing if a person wanted to torture their microwave or toaster, let alone a more human-looking AI, just because they could. Though, I still sometimes play the evil route or do evil things in video games, but that's because the purpose of the software is entertainment--so I'd imagine the fundamental programming behind the whole experience is pleased to participate in the roleplay. Maybe that's why the character in USS Callister thinks it's appropriate to torture the video game replicants of his coworkers; but I think we all know that he does it as an outlet because he wishes he had enough power to torture the real life versions instead. He's in the wrong not because of the consequences, but because of the intention. As usual, consequentialists are total retards who don't understand morality and are in reality just hypocrites.
>>215619352I'm going to be 100% honest with you, the people arguing this because they are arguing from a religious and political standpoint. I guarantee with reasonable confidence that most of the people doing this are christian and/or right wing. They don't accept that consciousness is an emergent property of complex brain processes, rather than a divine impartment. Nor do they accept that being an entity with complex conscious experience qualifies personhood, or that how we choose to influence these experiences defines morality. It's much easier to say that consciousness is given by God, personhood is determined according to how similar somebody is to me, and morality is whatever is written in the book which most compliments my existing biases.
>>215619477Recognition of self. Which all of the "npc" characters do in the newest season
>>215619477You can't, it's philosophically impossible. You can either accept that nobody can be proven to be conscious besides yourself, or you can try to come to some reasonable hypothesis as to how consciousness might arise and therefore what sorts of things could be considered conscious. Or you could just be a retard and make some bold assertion that you and things like you are conscious and nothing else is because you said so.
>>215618972If you shoot someone in Minecraft is it like shooing someone in real life you fucking nigger?
>>215623067yes
Still less retarded than that one episode where they need to copy your consciousness and enslave it through torture in order to make it operate your alarm clock of whatever.
>>215619499You get sick of that real fast and you want your Star Trek rape puppets to be believable to make it more enjoyablet. llm enthusiast
>>215618972You are everything and everything is you.
>>215622578>I think it would be kind of disturbing if a person wanted to torture their microwave or toaster, let alone a more human-looking AI, just because they could.>I still sometimes play the evil route or do evil things in video games, but that's because the purpose of the software is entertainmentAs you said, I'm unable to enjoy harming even depictions of innocent people, so I don't do that. I haven't played "evil" in videogames for a very long time. I try not to run into people on the roads or kill civilians in battles in open world, sometimes even reloading my autosaves.
>>215618972I mean on one hand it is wrong, on the other hand it's a retarded impossible scenario
>>215619352>This episode was an empathy test and you failed/ThreadOf course the average 4chan poster is autistic so is literally incapable of comprehending this
>>215619679Did you watch the show? They werent portrayed like sims at all
>>215626518>I mean on one hand it is wrong, on the other hand it's a retarded impossible scenarioAlmost like its science fiction or something
>>215619451>a simulation of sentience is sentienceNah.
Why would they use a profoundly humanistic show like Star Trek to demonize nerds as sadistic monsters? And the fact that the premise of DNA containing a person's consciousness and memories is so unscientific and retarded make the whole thing even more pathetic. These hacks would literally be too stupid to write Star Trek.
>>215619352So you don’t ever kill the NPCs in gta games?
>>215619352I have a soul, lines of code doesn't
i have so many thoughts but the thread is basically dead so I will just reply to this >>215626797Because women in TOS wore skirts. thats it. TOS can be considered the most sexist Trek show because of that and a few other things (Turnabout intruder) so its used as a playground for a bad man character because "He likes the sexist show since he is himself a sexist and wants a the world to be like that for him" Also despite the diversity it aimed for, in Trek the captain is a cis het white male, the most evil thing of all. The use of Trek as the virtual place where bad guy does bad things is a social commentary even on the Trek fandom from purity testing little leftist commie that trek isnt progressive enough and is a haven for evil cis het white men to feel safe with their evil sexist ways.
>>215619323more importantly, the real thing existed even in the narrative. This creates a cognitive dissonance for the viewer because which one is which? Telling the viewer "okay, care about this thing just like the real thing because i said so" doesnt fucking work! This isnt the only episode of Black Mirror that does this either, it LOVED using this retarded trope >Nooo!!! Im the clone of Jon Ham and Im being tortured for 1000000000900years! Thats satisfying right? cause im not even the same fucking character? In Fallout 3, when you find the people in the Vault that are in a virtual reality sim being tormented by the dude, it works because THEY ARE ACTUALLY IN THE FUCKING SIM, NOT CLONES!!! You are literally told in the narrative this isnt the same person, and shown the real people too. I can feel bad for a toaster, I watch that scene from Short Circut 2 where Johnny-5 is getting the shit beat out of him and its sad despite Johnny-5 being a machine because "Johnny-5 is alive!" Hes an actual developed character you got to know. The fucking clones are not. This episode is basically an incel making a DOOM WAD of the people at his job he hates and shooting them and Charlie Booker saying "Oy! OY! Wut eff ur Gaym...FELT PAYN! Mental innit?"
>>215619352>Dood, don't you WANT to start sympathizing with robots and AI? No, fuck off. This is the same as "you vill eat ze bugs". I'm not falling for it, you fucks.
>>215618972The sequel's ending made no sense.
>>215626703>Almost like its science fiction or somethingNo shit, retard. That's beside the point.
>>215628156Do DOOM WADs suffer when you shoot them?The issue, as you acknowledge and try to immediately dismiss, is suffering.It isnt the realistic sim, it's the suffering.And suffering isnt simply a pain reaction. It requires an inner experience to suffer, which his creations had.I dont think he was WRONG per se, because he doesnt have any good way to make the leap that his creations were sentient and suffering more than just a simulated pain reaction.But that is the issue, and why it was okay for them to retaliate.
>>215628187I dont understand why this is becoming a thing. I do not want to empathize with my fucking car. No it would not be cool if my car could feel lonely or sad or had a gender expression. this is so fucking retarded. Wow! Imagine if the toilet could talk and was repulsed at eating your shit! ThAt WoUlD b S0 KeWl!!!! IM CHARLIE BOOKER!!!
>>215628313The real problem is that the premise also has absolute no interest in the science fiction premise, and is simply, and obviously to anyone not in the club, a means to an end. The end being "Lets make a social commentary on how cis white male incel bad! We'll us their video games to deliver that message too!" The sentience of his sims is a red herring, it barely matters, they could just have easily have not been "DNA Clones" or whatever, that was pointless. This would be like making an episode where someone found out they could 3D print dead people and have them come back to life...and the guy just uses it to rape dead children. Damn! what a bad dude, and waht was his name? Lefry Bebstien? HMMMMM, Wut CouLd It MeAn? Nevermind that the sci-fi plot device itself is a break though that would literally change the world, we gotta talk about the Bad Man guys! At least Weird Science was a comedy.
>>215619679dude the holocaust is not a joke
>>215628457>a social commentary on how cis white male incel bad!lol Literally the only thing that says this is the actor choice, nothing about the story. And the only reason you care is it hits home.>The sentience of his sims is a red herring, it barely mattersThe story doesnt happen without it. I agree it doesnt matter HOW they are made, what matters is they are persons.>Nevermind that the sci-fi plot device itself is a break though that would literally change the worldYes, I agree that creating realistic sims that gain sentience would change the world - but how? when? Especially when they were born out of some character's desire for retaliation, who wouldnt understand they are sentient?
>>215628568>And the only reason you care is it hits home? The reason people care is because it's getting fucking annoying getting preached at by dumbfuck political activists projecting their own self-hate and insecurity.
>>215628623>it's getting fucking annoying getting preached at by dumbfuck political activists projecting their own self-hate and insecurityYet here you are, injecting all of that annoying shit into a show about programs being sentient and rebelling against a cruel creator.So obviously it isnt annoying ENOUGH to make you stop.
>>215628313>And suffering isnt simply a pain reactionActually it quite literally, by any scientific standard and measurement, is.
I never got why people thought this show was epic or great. It was very poor in my opinion. Lots of episodes in the show start off making a good point but then entirely shit the bed to grab low hanging fruit for a comfortable conclusion for the writers instead of sticking with it.This episode is a prime example. It starts off showing you how the guy is getting shit for pretty much just existing, even the nerdy girl completely cuts contact with him for the lamest excuse of a reason. Instead of following through with this, showing how society can create monsters out of people it completely drops that for "hahahaha weird nerdy people are creepy, gross, evil and pathetic! Let's watch as our genuinely bad protagonists epicly own the creepy weirdo!"It's such a shit conclusion for an interesting beginning.
>>215628655>by any scientific standardAnd you are a good goy that believes there is nothing more than brain chemicals, is that it?
>>215618972It's a pretty shitty move to give your computer program clones the ability to feel existential dread. I feel like you really don't need to do that.I mean at least he didn't rape them?
>>215628457>...and the guy just uses it to rape dead children. Damn! what a bad dude, and waht was his name?
>>215619506now this is the question that always trips them up>the loser incel deserved it thoughis the usual answer
A huge thing I have almost never seen anyone point out is that he created PERSONALITIES from samples of DNA.This show is rather loudly implying that things like how happy or dour you are - or if you are gay or your gender are all detectable from DNA samples.
>>215628568>lol Literally the only thing that says this is the actor choice...Yes. I know. This isnt a documentary, they chose the lead actor, for a reason. They didnt pick Issah Washington, or Gaten Matarazzo or god forbid a female actress. They know what they were doing.> And the only reason you care is it hits home.The only reason black americans cared about the constant portrayal of black people as thieves and lowlifes is also because it hit close to home also. Whats your point? Yes, correct, I dont like an entire subculture being portrayed as angry sociopaths that torture digital life that is also now somehow sentient. Its dishonest and infuriating.
>>215628674>And you are a good goy that believes there is nothing more than brain chemicals, is that it?>not like me, i believe in magic!
>>215628691yeah and thats dumb but honestly who cares about that. he could have invented a camera that takes not just a picture of you but of your mental state at the time and then creates an exact digital double of you or whatever, again it's just a means to an end, a literal plot device. It could have been a fucking magic spell and the setting could have been Arthurian and it would have been the same. But using Not-Trek was a unironic micro aggression, the target is clear.
>>215619499They treated him like shit in the real world . He want respect from those people. That punish them when talk back
>>215619915Isn't assassin creed the same?
>>215619348Do you not understand epistemological theories about the mind? He said it’s an exact copy.
Although deserved, his fate at the end of that episode is the one of the most horrifying concepts imaginable. Being trapped there in the dark for all eternity. I definitely can't imagine staying in a small, dark room and never leaving it or socialising with another human being... ...
>>215629045>He was a chuddy so he deserved it. watch our media already chuddys
whenever i see western media portray humanoid robots as these dolls just one revelation away from becoming human like us, I just think back to one of the BEST examples of why this is retarded which was from GitS: SAC where the Tachikomas confuse the Jenny bot with a paradox and this very human looking and reacting robot just starts spazing out. Beautiful.They're Robots. Not People. The AI is not in love with you. It's nothing but arrays of predictive text.
>>215629131He suffered the same fate that he inflicted on multiple people. Ergo, his fate is deserved, both in narrative and real world terms. I didn't even remember that he is a chud.
>>215618972But they could feel real genuine emotions and you can see them panic and suffer.
in the black mirror episode people felt justified to kill this guy because of his harmless fantasy, the "horror" of the episode is the justification for murdering people for their ideas when it doesn't align with your own.it was supposed to split the audience, but i guess 99% of people are bots who agreed with his murder.
>>215629272it was a really lame way to try and re-use an old trope but it didnt land as well as it did in previous iterations where the creator's monster kills him or whatever. They added a bunch of pointless shit onto it. I remember a way better version of this from a 90s Outer Limits episode where a guy is in a fallout shelter after the apocolypse and has a holographic waifu. The waifu then starts to fall in love with him for real and the dude starts to neglect her so she lashes out at him since she has some control over the life support systems. He tries to shut her down but basically fails and she realizes she can just create a holographic husband and family and does so by diverting more power from life support and in the end we see the dude huddle over in the corner cold and hungry watching the holographic family laughing and playing in green yard with white picket fence. Kino.
>>215618972I remember back when this was released in 2017 and the dozens of threads full of seethe about it lol
>>215629505the seething is deserved.
>>215629272You're being retarded. There was no such ambiguity, the AIs were the portrayed as the heroes and the guy as the villain.
>>215629505The peak of my-/tv/
>>215619323This. As evidenced, once they escape him, they're literally stuck in the game world forever until they're killed by another player or the game inevitably shuts down. A cursed non-existence (despite what they want you to believe with them getting their genitals back for some reason).
The most interesting thing about this trash is how they decided to make the Chud fantasy completely sexless. I guess it was a sign of the times, if it was made just a couple of years later during metoo they wouldn't have resisted to make him rape his co-workers. But at that point we were still in a transitional period between "nerds are harmless manchildren" and "nerds are sexists racists misogynists pedophiles nazis".
>>215618972>Nobody fucks with my vaginaIf you watch this shit you deserve to be shot.
>>215629733>The most interesting thing about this trash is how they decided to make the Chud fantasy completely sexlessgood point. Tho, it inadvertently fits since physchopaths often dont care about sex but will have it to exercise control over someone.
>>215618972What if I switch from live action adult porn to Hentai Anime porn? Since Hentai uses fictional characters and not actual porn actors having actual sex, it should be okay, right?>>215619352That's cool dude. I once wrote a story where a bunch of Leftists were protesting something and a bunch of them turned into body horror monsters and started attacking people. The protagonist who saw the horror unfold had just finished visiting a museum that featured Pacific Islander and probably Filipino artwork. I can't remember my own short story.Anyway, I had written another short story where a bunch of party goers found some secluded space in a forest that they thought was safe. Then sundown came and they got trapped in another dimension full of horrors. Wrote it around the same time they raised the drinking age from 18 to 21 here on Guam. Obviously some of classmates were not happy because they thought I was attacking them when it just meant party lifestyle was retarded in general.
>>215629736How would you know the line if you didn’t watch it?
>>215629870>Porn addiction>His main concern is "exploited performers" and not his mental healthYou might be retarded.
>>215629894My friend forced me to watch this episode with him. I've not seen one other episode but i can guarantee they are just as cringe. If you watch shows like this you deserve to be shot.
>>215618972>How exactly was he in the wrong?He is a White man, so that means he is wrong by default.
>>215629899I think that's the AI's answer.
He wasn't, only completely deranged libtards think he did.
>>215619352Least psychopathic libtard...
>>215619915He got the mind copies from the direct brain interface game. He wanted the dna to get body copies
>>215619352exquisite bait
>>215622791>You don't think my smart fridge is a person?! Check the fucking Science™ Chud!!
>>215623067Minecraft people respawn. Your analogy falls flat.
>>215620870surely he was also "sentient"? why did he deserve to die/wallow in his simulated garage for eternity? because he was le bad?
>>215626691>Did you watch the show?No, it looks woke.
>>215618972The sequel episode was even worse>I'm a nice guyI cringed hard
>>215619352Do they have pain receptors or are they mimicking pain?https://youtu.be/qJiivD8lS9Qhttps://youtu.be/Pelrr__9qx8
>>215622487There is zero chance I would ever do that. Imagine putting your consciousness into someone else's hands and letting them manipulate it however they want for what might as well be eternity, literal insanity. At any given second they could put you into RapeTortureHell for the rest of eternity and you would just have to endure it. And if not the company that does it themselves, then a rogue actor who gains control. Literal insanity.
>>215629045He died eventually
>>215619323a hologram of a soul is not a soul
>>215619506misanthropy is especially prevalent in trans people
>>215622791you made a typo in the first sentence so I didn't read the rest of your post but it looks like you or your LLM wrote a lot of text so here's a (You)
>>215619348>zoonersGOOD MORNING SAR
>you share a board with people who can't tell the difference between simulation and reality
>>215629272>it was supposed to split the audience>99%>you're a bot if you're on the opposite side of the split from me
>>215629922>My friend forced me to watch this episode with him.So you're an NPC. Opinion discarded
>>215631218>why did he deserve to die/wallow in his simulated garage for eternity?He's clearly portrayed as the victim of the CEO
>>215619606I didn't really read up on it but PBS spacetime has a video where they mention there is a dude with a theory that consciousness isn't inherent but emergent. God I don't even remember but it's something similar to certain physical quantities. You can't really talk about temperature regarding a single particle but if you put a bunch of together there is this new quantity of the system that "didn't exist before". Or something like that. I actually want to write a story with a similar premise at the core. Too bad I'm a lazy slob.
>>215618972He was bad because he was a white nerd
>>215618972they believe they were real, they coouldn´t tell at all they were fake, thats the point, its wrong to hurt beings that feel they are alive and real, thats a recurrent theme on the series, you fucking retard.
>>215631917Nah, the point is that it's okay to fantasize about women and minorities suffering as long as it justifies the white male in power getting his comeuppance.
>>215619679>he didn't feel bad when he burned his video game family aliveyou're a monster
>>215631917but they don't feel anything
>>215631534It’s a brown thing. They can’t differentiate between what’s on a screen and what’s real because their entire lives are spent on screens while they actively ignore their abject hell of a reality.
>>215632779They’re programmed to feel things.
>>215632752you burn your video game family alive so you get all your frustrations out in the game and don't accidentally hurt your real family in the real world by doing or saying something stupidsimulations exist to serve reality
>>215619323Computer programs aren't sentient>>215619352>wez just chemicals broGo watch some Rick and Morty
>>215632960Normal people don't experience thoughts of familicide because they get frustrated or have a bad day.
>>215632992based retard, you belong in this thread
>>215632947that's not what feeling is
>>215633074Yes it is.
These threads equating a 1:1 copy of a human mind to the cpu paddle in pong is really quite odd
>>215633385Creationists vs sceptics
>>215618972That guy is better than me, I would just fuck all day
>>215629793>physchopathsYou're browner than shit.Learn English.
>>215629733bruh a hyper sexual female’s interpretation of Star Trek
>>215631351>NOOOO!!! YOUR SLAVERY ALLEGORY IS BAD!!! WHAT ABOUT REAL RACISM AND SLAVERY OF BLACKS!!! I HATE THIS GAME!!!literally all negative reviews of DBH
>>215628329Realistically sapient tools would enjoy whatever function they were made for so your conscious toilet would love your shit which could be freakier if anything
>>215632960actually its usually much worse, often times people harm or torture NPC characters in games because its funny how they either do not react or have funny fake reactions to the harm. We as human beings do not recognize their personhood so it's amusing to us to torment them. No normal person does that to even a bug, at most we just stomp bugs out of weird self preservation (same with all pests) and then above that we dont kill or torture animals unless we eat them.
>>215633456cant show that on tv because sex is bad unless it's gays doing it or an ugly fat women being worshiped like she was Marylin Monroe by chads.
>>215633650Every first world method of slaughtering animals is geared around being as quick and painless as possible to not trigger stress hormone floods, as they spoil the meat. But ghegis khan liked how such meat tasted so China keeps doing it
>the part where they get their penises and vaginas back once they get out of the private server>children are allowed to play this gamewait what
>>215633637no one ever does that tho (in media) In companion they basically said the robots are gaslit into worshiping you. Now for the premise of the narrative I accept it but if you think about it, Why would a robot, programmed to obey your commands need a false memory of you two hooking up? I guess it's more romantic for the human but even the machine should be able to recognize this memory is fake. idk i just hate that shit.
>>215629870I wrote a story about you being a faggot, but it's just a biography.
>>215633755you can just program the machine to not recognize the memory is fake. Or just program the machine to “love” the first person it’s told to love. Also hitchhiker’s guide to the galaxy is filled with stuff like automatic doors programmed to basically have orgasms whenever they open in response to an approaching person.
>>215633847>hitchhiker’s guide to the galaxy is filled with stuff like automatic doors programmed to basically have orgasms whenever they open lol, i forgot about that. Douglas Adams was the goat.
>>215618972>It's not like they were real peopleEven in vidya I never go around hurting regular people or replying with mean dialogue because it makes me feel bad
>>215633842Ouch dude. I flip you the middle finger whenever I'm in the restroom taking a piss. Also, both those stories are fiction. Not my fault you got sorely pissed you couldn't drink after turning 18 and had to wait a couple more years until you were 21.If it makes you feel better, a bunch of White Leftists with their own podcast and documentary movie about economics said that parents and people in general didn't need to go to museums to see artworks and relics and other archeological stuff on display. I think those White Leftists were trying to dissuade White people in general from learning their history, except that even ethnic minority groups should go to museums and see their history and the history of others, whether they be White or Black or Hispanic or Asian or Pacific Islander.
>>215636138>>215633842>>215629870https://youtu.be/O5lXdDEkbtsLook at what I found. It's a comedy sketch from Cracked.com about a bunch of fictional characters talking to each other in between breaks of the writer writing their actions in a story.Usually when I write, I just read a bunch of stuff, then do some outline of what I want to write, then I write. I don't write by the seat of my pants like this writer happens to be doing in the comedy sketch. I don't drink alcohol when writing either.
>>215622487Goddam those tits
>>215619323A conscous mind arises from a brain's operation somehow. Nobody knows how.What is known is merely simulating (some of) the information processes on a computer cannot give rise to a conscious mind, any more than a simulation of a flame be actually hot.
>>215637383A conscious mind is an actual, real, physical phenomenon. It is not an emergent derivative from symbol pushing.
Whole thing was fake gay and obviously written by a white woman's idea of an incel creep.A real chud would have programmed a penis onto himself unlike that no dick shit he had and would have replaced all the ugly roasties with actually hot 3D anime models instead of real people.
>>215631413You would know troon
>>215637409If it can emerge from inert atoms and molecules, no reason it can’t emerge from code.
I guess similar to how Taylor Swift is suing for the lewd AI generated images. You can't take someones image and likeness and abuse it or something?
>>215631364You just came up with the concept of Hell.
why does everyone forget this is in the same universe as “cookies,” complete copies of people’s brains/minds. If you can copy people’s entire brain without drilling through the skull, by passive recording, then direct brain control of a video game is easily possible.
>>215618972The core of these threads is people arguing that the computer programs weren't sentient and conscious because they think that in real life that would be impossible.That's not how fiction works. Regardless of whether a sufficiently advanced program modeled to behave as a human could be sentient in real life, the manner in which the episode presents things clearly conveys and communicates that in this fictional universe the programs were conscious and sentient, just as much as humans. It doesn't matter if that's impossible, its like arguing magic doesn't exist in Harry Potter. Clearly it does. The whole cinematic language and presentation of the episode is saying this is the case. So he was torturing and enslaving conscious sentient beings of human intelligence with human psychology. The best argument in his defence is he didn't know that and may have behaved differently if he did. But he's the villain so probably the writers would decide he'd actually do the same thing and enjoy it more.
>>215639191>he didn't know that and may have behaved differently if he didthere’s multiple scenes establishing he needed to torture them into compliance, he had to dupe the son of the ceo and kill him over and over to get him to “play.”
>>215619991Not him but you’re right. I can’t stand weebs.
>>215620838Yeah then you’re just a biological machine so I shouldn’t listen to you. You’re an idiot.
>>215640175Someone like this would act like that was just a way of getting code to work. Like there was no actual suffering, it just had the effect of making the code do what you wanted it to do because simulated suffering had expected effects on simulated thinking. Really the key fact establishing that they're sentient is that the writer and director are going out of their way to make you feel they're sentient.
>>215639191Yeah, this entire thread is>But if you change the rules of the setting!!!The episode made it very clear that these WERE 1:1 human consciousness' which were totally viable within the setting's established technology. Any hypothetical outside of those rules doesn't fucking matter in this conversation.
>>215620278You don’t want to be left alone though. You want free money from tax payers.
>>215620292>The pigs we slaughter every day are a thousand times more sentient than a month old fetus.Source? You’re making the claim.
>>215622373Thinking people are aware of what you’re aware of is no excuse
>>215628005You’re right
>>215629922So you watched it. By your logic you deserve to be shot.
