>Gives you the choice to live or die>Somehow it's his fault if you die
>Choice
>Gives you the choice to live or die if you cut off one of your limbs or gouge your eyees out or stick bamboo shoots under your toenails or cut off your cock
>>215642045He literally lit himself on fire.
>>215642013i still dont know what he could actually be charged with
These threads are as hackneyed as the baskin roberts trash. Get new material, jeet.
>you cheated on a history test when you were 8 so now you have to cut off your own leg with a screwdriver
>>2156421071st Degree Murder, Reckless Indifference to Human Life, Kidnapping/Aggravated Kidnapping, Attempted Murder, Conspiracy to commit Murder, Aggravated Assault/Battery, Illegal Possession of Weapons/Explosives, False Imprisonment
>>215642107you can't charge him for shit, except MAYBE just maybe trespassing and/or jaywalking
>>215642390>KidnappingAre you stupid? All his guests are adults, not kids, so that means he's only "guilty" of napping at most, which isn't a crime.
>>215642013
>>215642013>>Somehow it's his fault if you dieliterally no one has said this before
based
>>215642592if you faggots shitpost about movies can it at least be movies you actually watched
>>215643074the little wretch shouldn't have stayed up past bedtime
>>215642592> false imprisonmentAlso zoning violations since he's running a transient occupancy venue in industrial/light commercial areas
he can be charged with blackmail and extortion
he can only be charged with being /fa/ af
>>215642013>Gives you the choice to live or die>except when you're strapped to a chair at the mercy of the current contestant
Aside from Dr. Gordon is it ever confirmed if he aids his victims after they win, like does he call 911 or something? Or if i "choose" to cut my arm off to survive am i just left to bleed to death or what
>>215643638he'll reattach it for you for free
>>215643705doesn't seem very profitable
>>215643781true, but it's not about profit - it's about mending society
he tried
based Jigjaw
>>215645277Oh yeah. He rock.
>>215645136
>>215643993
>>215642107Everything, it was his choice to get arrested in the first place
>>215646813
>>215646891Why did he choose to get shot?
>>215646891explain how this clip has anything to do with any chargeable wrongdoing by kramer. go ahead, i'll wait
>>215646459>>215646472>>215646891Not John Kramer. Hoffman is 100% going to jail.
>Anon, you've make racist jokes against Indians.>On the table is a plate of cow dung. >If you don't eat all of the cow dung in 3 minutes, the room will be filled with cyanide gas.>Live or die, make your choice.
>>215647004I have to eat his leftovers?
>>215643638He kind of saves Donnie Wahlberg Only for him to get his head crushed by giant blocks of ice.
sex with amanda
god damn, i love saw threadsit's one of the few things that keeps me going and i'm glad you guys still make them
>>215642107fashion faux pasthe boxer gown felt a bit preposterous
>>215647004where did the forced and sudden hate for indians on the internet come from?it looks like a jewish psyop
>>215642107It's been proven that he is innocent
>>215642045skill issue
>>215642592>so that means he's only "guilty" of napping at most, which isn't a crime.When the act making a siesta a felony passed nothing was ever the same again
>>215642013>just perform brain surgery on yourself and survive bro.>>215643638He wanted to save to radiation trap lady after she passed her test in saw x.
>>215648608it came from real life from having to interact with them
>>215642045Amanda trap.>>215643074Amanda did it.
>>215642107>tell me officer, how can the justice system charge someone who's about to die anyway>game over, I've wo-*BEEEEEEEEEEEEEP*
>>215642013>My fitness coach told me to go to the gym more often and eat less carbs to be more feel better and be more fit. I stopped going to the gym and decided to only eat pizza. It's his fault I'm sad and fat!!!
>>215642390It's been proven at top universities that he could be found guilty of none of this. Try again.
>>215648608100% a jew op.Did you notice how they get blamed for things that don't even make any sense that we used to blame jews for, like Blacked posts and anti-white posts?
>>215648608>Forced and suddenIt surely wasn't sudden and barely forced.It was a negative sentiment that was brewing over years and blew up recently, because they are pretty much everywhere now, especially in IT/Corporate.AI-slop and things like paid botfarms/fake accounts on twitter also contributed, but honestly, the whole SEA region is involved in that, indians are just more numerous.>jewishAt least on youtube, it's Chinese. And they even don't hide it, because they straight up glaze Zhangs in their videos.
Failing to give 1st aid is a punishable offence so Jigsaw is guilty for not, at the very least, calling 911
>>215651050Actually this is also something that can't be prosecuted because Jigsaw wasn't physically present t. retired attorney
>>215651473He was in the 3rd movie
he blackmailed hoffman instead of telling the cops that hoffman impersonated jigsaw that first time so yeah, he could be charged for real
>>215652507He didn't want Hoffman to receive a criminal record and have his future job prospects tarnished
>>215642107You wont have to wait long as we normally have a DA posting in these threads telling you its impossible to charge Jigsaw.
>Have a C>Have 2
>>215647004>to your right is a google play card, redeem it and you will die, do not redeem it and you will live. Live or die, the choice is yours...
>>215653523A daring synthesis
>>215642013I'm honestly surprised there were zero copycats of this guy irl
>>215646995
>>215642045fuckin retard picked up the candle
>>215642013So if Adam found the key in the tub he would’ve been free to walk around the bathroom
>>215653818me too desuI was kinda waiting for it to happen while the movies were running.
>>215654230That's the conclusion I've come to reading all these threads. If Adam found the key the game would have played out with the same rules except with Adam free to pick up the gun. It was basically a coin-flip modifier for Jigsaw's pleasure
>>215654230>Adam finds the key and frees himself>Checks out the fucking bloodied body in the middle of the room>The JIG is up 2 minutes into the gameJiggy didn't think that one through did he? The key going down the drain was such a stroke of luck
There's just no one like him. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VwbyBGbqPY
>>215654444holy shit this nigga really thought of everything, no wonder the cops can't get him also quads checked
Saw threads are so kinobtw 6 > 1 > X > 2 > 3 > 4 > 5 > 7 >>>>>> Jigsaw > Spiral
>>215653818Too much effort needed for most killers and for those that could like Cartels the point is to have their enemies be tortured and killed, no chance of escaping alive.
>>215653818Because the whole 'get knocked out and wake up hours later' trope isn't real outside of having a dedicated anesthesiologist.
>>215653818It's impossible to be a serial killer now, we're like 2 years away from Bill Gates microchipping our brains
>>215643638>>215648699In Saw X he also saves Diego. They even showed him walking up with a first aid kit.
>>215655611just gotta kill homeless or gay people
>>2156548093 > 1 > X > 2 > 5 > 6 > 4 > 76 is fun because of Hoffman moments but the letter retcon is retarded
1 sucks because even if the one dude killed the other dude - his key is down the drain so he was always going to die no matter what
>>215642013If he gives you the choice to live why doesn't he just open the door and let you walk out?
>>215655811because that wouidn't teach you not to cut in line
>>215655711Nah he could have gotten out with the saw the same way gordon did
>>215655843Who do you think I am, Jigsaw, a nigger?
>>2156556896 is awesome because it has some of jiggy's most hilarious moral judgements, that and the final stretch with Hoffman going beast mode is my favorite part in the series
>>215643638>if he aids his victims>does he help the person he just made mutilate himself to escape an elaborate, lethal trap roomDo you even think before posting you contemptable moron?
>>215648608when millions of them show up at your door at once, it's not hard to imagine why.
>>215654866Holy crap.
>>215653818You would need to be pretty ingenious to design and build all this shit while still remaining anonymous. Nobody with that kind of talent would bother spending effort torturing crackheads when they could be raking in loads of cash instead.
>>215655932>Right now you're feeling helplesskino
>>215642107>>215642451>>215648628>>215653518>>2156507381/3While his modus operandi was designed to leave the final "choice" to the victim, legally he would be held responsible for numerous serious crimes, and police in the films did gather evidence against him. Felony Murder Rule/Complicity: In a real court of law, Jigsaw would be legally considered a murderer. Any death that occurs during the commission of a felony (such as kidnapping, false imprisonment, or torture) results in a murder charge, even if the victim had a "chance" to escape. His excuse that "he never actually killed anyone" has no legal standingMens Rea (Criminal Intent): Jigsaw demonstrated clear criminal intent (mens rea) by intentionally placing people in situations where death or grievous bodily harm was a probable result. Other Charges: In addition to murder, he would face charges for a long list of other crimes, including:- Kidnapping and unlawful imprisonment.- Assault and battery (for the initial drugging and transportation of victims).- Torture.- Attempted murder (for surviving victims).- Conspiracy and murder by proxy (for his apprentices' actions).- Child endangerment (in Saw II, although the children were kept safe by an apprentice, the police were unaware of this).
>>2156568982/3The primary forms of evidence used by police to connect Kramer to the Jigsaw murders included:Physical and Forensic Evidence: Police recovered numerous items at the crime scenes that were eventually traced back to Kramer. One key piece of evidence was a specific type of tape recorder used to play the instructions for the victims. In the first film, a voice analysis (performed by the detectives) linked the voice to a person whose identity was not immediately known, but subsequent films and police work established the physical evidence trail leading to Kramer's possession of identical equipment and materials.Unique Signature: Kramer's crimes had a very specific, consistent modus operandi (M.O.) and signature:The use of the puppet "Billy" for delivering messages.The removal of a jigsaw puzzle piece-shaped chunk of flesh from deceased victims. This unique signature helped investigators group the disparate cases together and eventually connect them to the same perpetrator.Victim Testimony and Survival: Surviving victims of his traps provided crucial information about the crimes, the locations, and the nature of their abduction and imprisonment. The accounts of survivors helped build a psychological profile and an understanding of the pattern of the crimes.Video and Audio Tapes: Kramer often left behind video or audio tapes for his victims and the police. These provided details about the games and his motivations, and forensic analysis of these tapes (voice recognition, type of media used) helped in the investigation.Admissions: In Saw II, John Kramer was captured and in police custody at the nerve gas house location, where he openly admitted his involvement in the kidnapping of Detective Eric Matthews' son.
>>215642045>call in sick >get set on fireSeemed a bit harsh
>>2156569393/3Accomplice Testimony and Evidence: The involvement of accomplices, notably Amanda Young and Detective Mark Hoffman, provided vital links. Hoffman, in particular, left evidence and was eventually exposed, leading back to the original source of the crimes, John Kramer.Autopsy and Medical Records: Kramer's identity was eventually confirmed through medical records, particularly as he suffered from a terminal brain tumor. Forensic information gathered at the scene, including the possibility of a sick and dying perpetrator, helped narrow down the suspects. These various pieces of evidence, when pieced together by the fictional police force, were sufficient to identify John Kramer as the "Jigsaw" killer. Academic sources analyze this fictional evidence collection as a key part of the narrative and the police procedural elements of the films. Academic sources that analyze the Saw film series and the character of John Kramer confirm that within the narrative of the films, the police are able to link him to the crimes he committed using a variety of physical and forensic evidence, as well as evidence presented in the "games" themselves.
>>215656898>Felony Murder Rule/ComplicityHe didn't commit any felonies>Mens Rea (Criminal Intent)Jigsaw had no intention to kill anyone. Death of grievous bodily harm was not a "probable result." Every participant had full autonomy to choose life over death. If you passed a knife to someone at the dining table and they stabbed themselves with it, you're suddenly a murderer?>Kidnapping and unlawful imprisonment.He didn't kidnap anyone. The victims ended up in his traps via their own choices>Assault and battery (for the initial drugging and transportation of victims)All Amanda. In any case, the victims gave implied consent to being transported because their own life choices indicated that they needed help>Torture.All the participants in his games tortured themselves.>Attempted murder (for surviving victims).Again, he's not a murderer>Conspiracy and murder by proxy (for his apprentices' actions).Amanda went rogue, he's not responsible for that>Child endangerment (in Saw II, although the children were kept safe by an apprentice, the police were unaware of this).So you have to let the police know if you're babysitting someone's kids? What a stupid argument.
>>215657079>you have 60 seconds to gouge your eyes out or this contraption will kill you>Death of grievous bodily harm was not a "probable result."lol>He didn't kidnap anyone. The victims ended up in his traps via their own choices>one minute you're in your apartment the next you wakeup drugged in a dungeon with traps designed to kill youlol>All the participants in his games tortured themselves.coercing someone into self-mutilation is a form of torture>he's not a murdererhe literally is, he put people in situations that resulted in death. if i place someone above a pit of spikes with a timer set to drop them to their death and tell them the timer will stop if they agree to do something and they refuse then i'm still a murderer
>>215657079>your honor, I didn't kill him. The torture machine I built did
>>215642045All this guy had to do was remove his underpants and use them to wipe the gas off himself. No sympathy
>>215657079lawyersisters... it's over for us...
>>215657079We need a lawyer kino for SAW. His survival task: getting the jigger off scotfree
Saw has the best mythology of any piece of 21st century pop culture
>>215657471lol wtf
>>215657896
>>215656898thanks chatgpt i actually don't give a shit what an AI has to say on this matter though
>>215642013>your honor he didn't ACTUALLY killed them, he just abducted and put them in a room full of deadly trapsthis is how stupid you sound
>>215642013He literally slit someone's throat and set up a tripwire to a bunch of shotguns to kill pursuers in like the first movie.
>>215658076It was self-defense
>>215658141Explain how that's relevant to my post refuting the binary choice that he's painted as giving people.
>>215658037
>>215658153He wasn't offering them a choice, he was defending himself
>>215658165He was not in mortal danger in any of those situations. He was actively trying to kill people.
>>215658177No warrant, they were trespassing
>>215658185Yeah, like I said, he was not in mortal danger. His life was not at risk.
>>215658203They had guns. Lethal force was justified
>>215658232All police officers have guns in every situation. He was a cripple at death's door. They weren't going to shoot him. Rewatch the movie.
>>215658268They had no warrant, he was defending himself from crooked cops, a hero of our time
>>215658280concession accepted
>>215658287concession denied
>>215642013False moral drivel from goreporn salesmen
>>215658161Jesus how many people does this guy kill in this series? I've only seen 1-3. Can I get a qrd? on who this guy is and why he stabs everybody in the throat constantly
>>215659566no, watch the movies
>>215659566Hoffman killed everyone in the police station and almost all of Kramer's disciples and associates. Body count is over three dozen. Hoffman thought he would become the sole successor and heir of Kramer's legacy but didn't know Kramer already had a secret designated successor whom Kramer taught his ultimate secret technique.
>>215642390>>215650738>>215656898Alright let's be honest there's no way this guy wouldn't get prison for life otherwise your justice system is pure fucking garbage
>>215660357the people acting like you can charge the guy are tards. the simple fact of the matter is that the contestants could leave at any time. plus kramer's motive was not malicious; it was to rehabilitate them.
Wasn't it the point of the movie that the cops have reasonable reasons to try to catch him, but the viewers know he's innocent?Obviously all the deaths around him look suspicious but nothing would hold in a trial.
>>215660442what's it like living with double digit IQ?
>>215658076Not true. The jap didn't even identify himself as an officer of the law, he was trespassing. And the shotguns weren't pointed to the outside, but to the inside.
Tobin Bell is 83 years old!
>>215643638The idea to turn him from a voyeuristic sadist to a misunderstood philanthropist is really gay. Never liked that.
>>215657331>Jigsaws don't kill people, torture machines do.
>>215660956why don't you ask yourself?
>I will kill all six of you but you can keep two alive if u want>make your choice :)
>>215648424This. So hot in Becker.
>>215643074That kid is clearly wide awake...
>>215662225They all look like office workers, is it illegal for jigsaw to want to straighten their posture because they probably sit and slouch all day ?
>>215642138I never watched the saw movies until recently and this entire this when i see these posts i thought it was just a meme hyperbolizing the movies. I assumed okay yeah jigsaw captures people for stupid reasons so people meme it up and come up with really petty ridiculous things he would also capture people for, like "oh you jay walked 20 years ago now you must die".But after watching some of the movies it's not even really a joke.>>215642045This guy with the candle was captured and tortured because he faked being sick for work? Like are you fucking serious? That's not even a meme that's actually why he died? That sounds like a thread meme but it was in the movie. So stupid.
>>215642013>I choose to live>puppet boy cuts your arm off and lets you bleed out unless you can tie a knot with your dick>he's not responsible if I dieThe movies were shit and the stories were completely retarded. Jigsaw deserved to die on cancer for being a raging faggot. Should have given him aids instead.
How in the hell is the first film now considered a horror classic with such godawful, nonsensical writing?
>the charges, officer?
>>215663643You’re not supposed to take any of the saw movies seriously. You’re supposed to drink a few beers and laugh and point out the dumb stuff.
>>215663643Plenty of classics have nonsensical writing. Saw reminds me of Argento and to an extent Hitchcock. Style, atmosphere, and setpieces carry.
>>215663643There no movies that don't have nonsensical writing.
>>215642013>Gives you the choice between heads or tails>blows your head off if you choose wrong>somehow his fault your head got blown off
>>215662225What you didn't see was the previous game these six played, where they had a choice to either submit job applications for a more ethical company, or choose to stay at their current job and strap themselves into the carousel.
Why is the 3rd movie the favorite of every one? The entire movie is centered around him having a protege who is entirely incompetent and doesn't even understand her master's philosophy and was fucking everything up while being an annoying cunt the whole time. The main character in the trap rooms was also just an annoying retard who barely did anything.What do people even like about it?
>jaywalk one time 15 years ago>wake up with your feet chained to railroad tracks>train is coming at you full speed>find a rusty butter knife in your pocket with a note that says "live or die, the choice is yours">somehow Jigsaw is responsible for your actions
>>215663852You wouldn't get it.
>>215657296Trust me, as a former prosecutor it aggravates me too but the guys who set up things like this usually cover all their bases, I doubt he'd get more than a slap on the wrist.
>>215648467Me too, always cheers me up
Hoffman was much cooler than John
>you said the N word on the internet in 2005>now you must use this foul language in south central >let the games begin
>>215648628>>215656898>>215657079All he really wanted was someone to lasso up a phone for him. That's not a crime is it?
>>215663852I like how legitimately nasty and gross it feels. It actually makes me queasy. 2 was already going in that direction but 3 has a specific texture to it that set the tone for the rest of the series and torture porn as a whole, just not quite as successful.
>>215664161This wouldn't fly today
>>215664162The pig grinder trap is probably the most disgusting thing in the whole series
>>215664179
>>215656939Do you want to play a game?
>>215664303>Jigsaw makes you play Galaga >You die on the first level>Somehow Jigsaw is responsible for your failure
>>215663852>centered around him having a protege who is entirely incompetent and doesn't even understand her master's philosophy and was fucking everything upThat's what makes it interesting. The blackpill at the end that she never really changed and no one really does deep down is kino
>>215657079i'd nail him on building code violations, it's like al capone and taxes.
>>215663852>>215664376I.e. It's the movie that Jigsaw's philosophy is wrong. His efforts to truly change people are in vain (Both Amanda and Jeff fail in the end)
>>215664391I’m a city manager and you’re right.
>>215657079John “Jigsaw” Kramer would face a mountain of charges. First-degree murder tops the list; he builds lethal traps knowing death is likely, which satisfies intent and premeditation. Every survivor represents attempted murder. Kidnapping and false imprisonment apply the moment he abducts or restrains anyone for his “games.” Torture covers the deliberate infliction of extreme pain to test victims’ morals. Aggravated assault and battery fit each act of physical harm. Even if his victims “choose,” their decisions happen under duress—no real consent.Reckless endangerment and criminal negligence follow from constructing devices designed to maim or kill. Conspiracy to commit murder applies through his apprentices, making him liable for their acts. Drugging people and using illegal surgical tools bring unlawful possession and unlicensed medical practice felonies. Tampering with evidence and obstruction cover staging scenes to mislead police. Desecration of a corpse applies when he leaves bodies as messages. Breaking and entering covers all the secret trap setups. Recording victims adds unlawful surveillance and invasion of privacy.Each offense stacks: multiple life sentences, death-penalty eligibility, and no valid insanity defense since he’s lucid and purposeful. His “I never killed anyone” argument collapses under causation law—creating a situation where death is the foreseeable result is still homicide. Even if the victim triggers the mechanism, the coercion voids consent. In short, Jigsaw’s philosophy might sound profound, but legally he’s a mass murderer hiding behind semantics.
>>215664391This honestly looks like the kind of room you get when asking AI to generate backgrounds.
>>215653818the ones that get away with it don't end up in the news, anon
>>215663643The Bible contains a lot of nonsensical stuff and became a classic tooThe Saw movies operate on the own internal logic and mythology and do it surprisingly well, you won't find many other franchises than are 10 movies long and manage the same level of coherency
>>215653818>>215654938If cartels kidnapped buses and forced them to have gladiatorial matches for shits and giggles, I'm sure they did some SAW-like stuff on some of their victims.
>>215642013what if those guys just hacksawed jiggy's head off in the bathroom for shits and giggles before they free'd themselves? jiggy'd be totally fucked right, since he was drugged?
>>215663643people are fucking retarded. It's also one of Carey Elwes all-time worst performances, which is an impressive title considering it's him.
>>215653818You only hear about murderers that get caught. People capable of building these kinds of traps would be very careful in how they process their victims to avoid detection. There are hundreds of thousands cases of people that go missing that go unresolved and thousands of unidentifiable bodies are recovered every year. It's not unconceivable that these torture games exist.
>>215648608>>215653523Fucking kill yourself already. Hilarious how when you post anything new that is an AI generated it's a garbage copy paste like this
>>215642013I'd give him a choice which hole of his I'm gonna rape first.
>>215650378Kek
>Hello Stacy>I wanna play a little game
>>215642013>The charges, officer?
