Look I get the writing is great and acting is superb but in the long term it's just like I'm watching a bunch of stupid assholes circling a drain of their own making because they never evolve or learn jackshit. I'm at the end of Season 2 and am I wrong?
>>215651296Yes and other anons will probably tell you you're right but they're wrongIt's a tragic cautionary tale that spells out what Tony does wrong on his journey to try and become a good person but for some reason anons think the entire show is a condemnation of him
>it's just like I'm watching a bunch of stupid assholes circling a drain of their own making because they never evolve or learn jackshitIt reminds me of this website
>>215651296I finally got around to watching it this year. Marathoned it. Enjoyrsed it. After I was done I formed my opinion on it. I haven't thought about it since. I had no desire to participate in the Sopranos threads.
>>215651296Yep. If you want a slightly deeper watch, try to watch for omens and warning Tony ignores
>>215651296>I'm watching a bunch of stupid assholes circling a drain of their own making because they never evolve or learn jackshit.It's a metaphor for America. Bravo
>>215651347Sippybippy
>>215651296Nah that’s accurate
>>215651329Name one good thing tony did that did not have an ulterior motive.
>>215651329Literally all he does is postpone dealing with manageable problems by murdering someone on his own team in such a way that slightly delays the consequences but further ensures everyone’s death
>>215651411Saving AJ
>>215651431Ur phrasing this as a critique of the show, but it's the entire point. It's based on the mafia, which was a shell of its former self at the time. did you want him to solve all these problems and win with a le heckin funko machine gun like walter? he dies like the average mob boss died. It was that or a concrete cell.
>>215651467Its not a critique of the show, its a critique of Tony.
>>215651355But you compromised
>>215651491then yeah, you got the point of the show. congratulations. were these posts worth the electricity used for it?
>>215651517You’re calling my analysis of the show worthless because it doesn't give you a chance to correct me by being wrong?
>>215651411Loves his children (don't say this doesn't count because parents are meant to love their kids, some people beat and rape their kids so it's not something that all parents do and shows Tony has a good heart)I'm not gonna cherry pick but there are moments throughout the entire show where Tony shows guilt and remorse for his actions, something a good person does. Bad people feel zero remorseHOWEVER, what makes Tony bad is that he has these feelings and rather than confronting them and changing his criminal ways he drowns these feelings in various short term vices like food, pussy, alcohol and eventually gambling>>215651431Because he's a good personThe show makes it clear multiple times he doesn't like killing, even Matthew he taunts him before murdering him but it's clear that he does that as a way to save face in front of Puss, he doesn't enjoy murder and consistently tries to avoid it
>>215651296>I'm watching a bunch of stupid assholes circling a drain of their own making because they never evolve or learn jackshit.Welcome to New Jersey.
>>215651556That wasn't an analysis. it was literally the plot of the show. what point were you making? I assumed you were critiquing the show for that reason. idk what else you were trying to say
>Characters evolve and learn jack shit>Tony steps down, opens a duck sanctuary>Sylvio becomes a womens' rights advocate>Paulie enrolls in the seminary>Carmela blows the Scatino brother>AJ participates in No Nut November>Meadow takes her place as the first female boss of the DiMeo Crime Family
>>215651357Such as?
>>215651563Tony shows guilt and he has remorse, but good person would not put themselves into the position in the first place. He cant get over the ukrainian whore - beats a guy he has close relationship with. Before that he used his power to get a traffic cop fired - he felt remorse and tried to buy his own absolution. This happent with the ukrainan whore too; he paid her 20 grand or something to get out of his life only for him to regret it.Tony cannot stand to see other people happy, especially if it came from 'him' or with his 'expense'. He thinks the world owes to him.He is not evil, but he is bad person.t. screenwriter
>>215651633NTA but off the top of my head>3am (just the number three in general is really important to the show)>The old Ojibwe saying on his hospital wall>The "I get it!" moment>The quote he sees on the college campus in the "College" episode that sums up his entire character >When he sees Big Pussy's ghost haunting him (reminder Heaven and Hell are both canon and real in the Sopranos universe)The entire show is built around vague omens that Tony spends the entire show ignoring or drowning out with food, pussy, and gambling
>>215651347How/what could the people of 4chan learn?
>>215651652Tony is exactly like Trump
>>215651652I also should clarify, in the post you responded to I called him a good person, he isn't he has good tendencies. He's simply not an evil manAs I said in my original post the show is a cautionary tale, congrats on literally explaining it and confirming I'm right Retard>Hurrr durrr Tony isn't evil like you said he just struggles to become a good person and constantly fails due to the fact he's grown accustomed to the comforts of his lifestyle and a lack of mental foundation to deal with the feelings of guilt and remorse in a healthy and meaningful wayWe agree bro you're just too retarded to realise it
>>215651563He doesn’t give a shit about children that aren’t his own. He gives a shit about his image.
>>215651724Objectively wrong
>>215651607I was replying to someone who flatly called Tony a good person. Does my post being uninflammatory offend you?
>>2156516771. Lose your arrogance2. Take responsibility3. It upsets me when you talk like that4. Don't fuck with me, Toni5. The truth about golf
>>215651700His ‘want’ to be good is as corrupt as any evil. He perverts and rots good from the inside as he tries to murder and steal a phony position in it, out of a neurotic self-image leading to classic self-harming and guilty destructive behavior. Like Conrad’s Lord Jim. Fantasy about being a hero is just disillusionment leading to real destruction
>>215651700It looks to me that you're the one who dont understand we're agreeing since you're taking such a stance when i didnt even call out anything wrong in your assessment. Still you didnt survive even one exchange to get hurt. Are you American perhaps? Fragile egos.>>215651672There's tons of forest and tree motif too; the dream episodes are full of foreshadowing and metaphor. Personally i dont really care of them since some come out heavy handed.>>215651724I'd argue he only gives a fuck about AJ, Meadow he has 'let go' to Carmela. Funny since Carmela seems to hate AJ.
>>215651746>who flatly called Tony a good personI'm the anon who apparently did thisLearn to read to the posts you respond to FAGGOT>It's a tragic cautionary tale that spells out what Tony does wrong on his journey to try and become a good person but for some reason anons think the entire show is a condemnation of himLet's break that down again>It's a tragic cautionary tale that spells out what Tony does wrong on his journey to try and become a good person>his journey to try and become a good personLet me explain as simply as I can, retardHe IS a bad person because he has the capability to change, to be good, to find redemption The show is a cautionary tale of how NOT to go about that by showing us all of Tony's mistakes and making it clear what he should have done instead Dumb faggot
>>215651807No I'm just drunk and being a cunt>>215651807Yeah the tree and forest stuff is fascinating, I love the dream eps the coma ones are my favourite from the whole show but I can get where you might think they're heavy handed>>215651782Once again I'm not saying he's a good person, and I agree his most evil act is he ignores his guilt and shame and tries to drown it out or justify his actions with brief moments of good. At the same time it's clear there is good in him, that's the point of the whole show is that he's a walking contradiction
>>215651809>some reason anons think the entire show is a condemnation of himIn the long term, it is. You just admire his tragic flaw
My favourite scene in Sopranos is when he is agonising about whether or not to pick up the phone regarding the hit on the naughty gym teacher. The scene feels like it'll never end, then eventually "he makes the call", and it's revealed he was agonising about calling it off.>I didn't hurt nobody
>>215651835Find me a quote where Chase says thisFuck, what was the final song ever played on the show? Don't Stop Believing? Pffft nothing deeper to read into there, nothing in the lyrics or themes of the song that Chase wants us to focus on as he shows us Tony's final momentsRetard, and that's just an asspull example not even an actual analysis
>>215651858Goat sceneMy favourite scene is this onehttps://youtube.com/shorts/AA_bPQ9T45o?si=UIl0upELWFe3IwAmCan't find it anywhere else but Shorts tf
>>215651862His belief is a delusion he never understood, leading to failure and death, the song is a dark comment on Tony believing what is not true and as he is killed by the results of this delusion ‘Belief’ as distinct from ‘truth’.
>>215651919Hmmmm, I disagree but I can see that way of interpreting itCall me an optimist, I always thought the song choice was addressing the audience "The movie never ends, it goes on and on and on""Don't stop believing"I always have taken this literally, and j think it's what Chase intended, he's always rejected that his work is all dark and bleak he's said he likes to add hope and humour to his workIMO the dark comment and cynicism is having the scene mirror the end of season 1, which is one of Tony's few good moments with his family, but this time have him not even remember the advice he gave AJ and it also ends with his death this time
>>215651296its just funny, dont stress about the meaning and enjoy it ya fucking sperg
>>215651296We are over that show, collectively.It was good at its time. Like Cheers was good at its time. But it aged poorly in the ast few years, i can't my finger on why.
>>215651296This dude's fake accent is so atrocious. I feel like I'm watching a kid make a faux Italian accent for a stage play or something.
>>215651981>The movie never ends, it goes on and on and onIt does end, with death, thats why the song is unceremoniously terminated with first-person instant death before it can hit the word ‘believing’ one last time
Nobody can understand the final season of the Sopranos without the ‘director of the film of your life’ detail as introduced in the William S Burroughs ‘Seven Souls’ season intro song, and its meaning as expressed in the video below. The final season is very much themed around the ideas in Burrough’s final book.https://youtu.be/JTcw4RymVy0?si=jzmdyxZBaxWrYj2m
https://www.resetera.com/threads/tried-watching-the-sopranos-and-oof-madon.1333792/
>>215651885>Has emotional breakdown>Guy witnessing it doesn't understand what he's sayingNot even the pizza parlour gave him the respect he needed.
It doesn’t matter if you want to be a good person. It doesn’t matter if you think you’re a bad person. If you’re doing bad things like killing, robbing and stealing you might develop your own moral system, but it’s still a massive cope.
I tried playing The Sopranos and... YIKESThe multiball sucks. You can never get the dead fish, and going into therapy during a pinball game is stupid
>Top soul and the first to leave at the moment of death is Ren, the secret name. This corresponds to my director. He directs the film of your life from conception to death. When you die, that's when Ren came in>Tony dies>the first thing that appears to sign off is the name of the director of Tony's life, David ChaseBravo, truly
>>215651347OOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!
>>215651296That was the best thing about the show that still feels bold and holds up today. The things I didn't like was the stuff that felt dated, like some cases of lazy writing or bad editing. Still great show overall though
>>215651296>>215652258AI bot thread?
S6 > S2 = S4 > S1 > S3 = S5
>>215651296I'll put it nicely, if you're the type of person who can't enjoy a show or movie because "all the characters are bad people", then yes, drop it now
>>215654376Unironically fell for the most obvious bait award
>>215651411Punched Ralphie after he killed the teenage whore
>>215652061The open ending wasnt the best way to go but they wanted a potential cash spigot in the future so I understand.
>>215651347You can't talk to me like that, I'm a made guy! Spent 20 yeas in the 'chan
>>215651296>it's just like I'm watching a bunch of stupid assholes circling a drain of their own making because they never evolve or learn jackshitThat's why it's entertaining>>215653588kek
I'm trying to decide what Christophuh is thinking in this scene. It's when Adriana comes clean about working for the FBI, he agrees to turn state's witness, but steps out to clear his head. Then he sees a family at the gas station, clearly meant to represent his and Adriana's future. The next scene is Adriana being set up for execution. Was Chrissy really gonna be a rat, but then seeing this family changed his mind? He loves the flashy mob lifestyle, and seeing this family with their crappy car, stopping to buy bags of junk food for a gaggle of unruly children, it shows him what's in store if he goes into hiding.On the other hand, was Chris always gonna tell Tony, but at the gas station he sees the family and has a moment of longing and heartbreak, knowing Adriana is going to get whacked and this is the life with her he's gonna miss out on?
>>215651296>TFW there's finally a Sopranos thread>OP is a faggot>JUST
