>hehe we are going to have Robert H. Jackson's absolutely abysmally bad cross-examination happen the same day as David Maxwell Fyfe's cross-examination in order to not have Hermann Göring appear as a legend who beat the Allies in their own court.I was expecting an actually historically accurate film about the trials here, not made up propaganda.
>>215663488>Manages to take the easy way outI hate that fat bastard, but damn if he didn't win in the end.
For those who aren't history buffs, British AG David Fyfe gave his cross-examination the day after Jackson and he grilled him hard about 50 British RAF prisoner of war who were shot down over Germany and executed, which violated all principles of war and Göring appeared hopelessly guilty about that incident because of his own honor as a air solider.
Jackson was a total clown, honestly not even the Soviets or Nazis themselves would have stooped so low to employ a retard like that. The fact this his whole performance has been memory holed is evidence to me that people don't actually want to know how the trials actually went on, they are happy to accept the results and everything but the way it was done already left a bad taste in the mouth of many who were involved at the time and Jackson was a big part of that.
>>215663488>>215663554It should be noted that Jackson was a American Supreme Court justice from 1941. He wasn't some amateur.
>>215663584>It should be noted that Jackson was a American Supreme Court justice from 1941. He wasn't some amateur.It should be noted Jackson was really bad at cross-examination
>>215663607I worded myself retarded, my bad. My point was that Jackson has no fucking excuse for fucking up that badly.
>no scene of Göring shouting "traitor" to Erich von dem Bach-Zelewski while he was giving testimony>no scene of Rudolf Hess admitting he made up the whole amnesia thing to not be put on trial>no scene of Speer going full turn coat>no scene of Karl Dönitz successfully arguing that US engaged in the same unrestricted submarine warfare against the Japanese as the Germans did in the Atlantic>no scene of Hess claiming Jews had psychic and hypnotic powersTerrible excuse for a film
The Nazis distinguished between congenital homosexuals who would require permanent imprisonment and others who had engaged in homosexuality but were thought to be curable with a short stay in a concentration camp or psychiatric treatment. Distinguishing between these categories was a difficulty that preoccupied the Nazis, especially after many cases of homosexuality surfaced in the supposedly racially pure SS. Succumbing to a homosexual act once, especially when drunk, was not necessarily considered evidence of homosexual inclination.
Nigga posting cringe as if we are in 2006 lmao. Imagine if germany ends up lasting longer then america after all this shit
>>215663488goring: what's the charges? trying to save the world from vermin? haha
He beat the Yanks not the Allies. British Prosecutor walked all over him. Just like the Yanks failed to provide a capable executioner also. Yanks have always required European intelligentsia and engineers to succeed, just look at their rocket program meanwhile the UK and Germany developed jet engines at the same time while being in a state of total war.
>>215663488I wish someone would make a Mao Zedong movie with Russell Crowe as Mao.
>beat the allies >admits like a retard that he threatened Hacha with the bombing of Prague lol
>>215663488>beat the Allies in their own court.And yet he was found guilty, you dingus. It took more time to type up the verdict than it took for the court to reach it.
>>215663488Confirmed genital mutilation torture to extract confessions from German POWs. Millions of German soldiers starved and abused in post war concentration camps. Churchill was a puppet of the Rothschild family and Bernard Baruch. 80 years later London is a Muslim enclave. What a victory for the communists - I mean allies. Bolshevik globalists run the entire western world just as Hitler predicted.
>>215667509Please no one report this. I think that the poster is UK based and i've submitted a hate speech review. I want it to stay up.
>>215667464Bundy was also found guilty and he btfo everybody in the court
It'd be better just to execute opponents than have some gay trial where you convict them of 'crimes' your side all did
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>>215667509>confirmed It's not confirmed at all, lol.
>>215667509>Confirmed genital mutilation torture to extract confessions from German POWs.More /pol/ lies.
>>215663554Its funny because The Holocaust is actually a very, very, very minor foot note in The Nuremberg Trial and the bulk of it was about various war crimes.
>>215667464Because it's a fucking kangaroo court. Did you also think Saddam had a fair chance at his "trial"
>>215668346Great example dumbass. It's not like he wasn't known to have killed innocent people too.
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>>215668338>People who actually witnessed it all claimed it was gasthe OFFICIAL narrative for Treblinka is EXHAUST from a diesel engineSamuel Rajzman, Hejnoch Brener, and Abe Kon, all inmates at Treblinka, initially testified that the method was a vacuum.Jankiel Wiernik, an inmate, said chlorine gas. He also came up with the doozy that female bodies, once lit, do not require fuel to burn lol - like those white blocks you use to start BBQs with. It's a complete and utter farce
>>215668546There was 1 (one) gas chamber at Treblinka made from a repurposed Societ tractor/tank engine.
>>215668654well, when you say gas, everyone assumes cyanide rather than CO. Of course, the engine method has its own problems. Tests done on small animals shows that it takes about 5 hours for the animal to die - for humans it would probably take even longer. Not the industrial scale, mass murder method one would expect the Germans to use and, obviously, contradicting the quick deaths from 'eye witnesses'. Diesel engines are still used in mining today. They're relatively safe and easily vented.
>>215668831>Not the industrial scale, mass murder method one would expect the Germans to use Aktion T4 used carbon monoxide to kill people. When the Nazis started with gassings in the holocaust they originally went with what they knew. But it wasn't effective and it cost too much which is why they switched to hydrogen cyanide in the form of commercially-available insecticide.
>>215668873but...back to Treblinka, the official claim is 200,000 – 250,000 killed by diesel exhaust, yes? Revised from the initial 3 million. There were no cyanide chambers at Treblinka?
>>215663488>I was expecting an actually historically accurate film about the trials here, not made up propaganda.You were expecting a historically accurate representation of a show trial that establishes the foundational myth of the modern world order?
>>215663488>I was expecting an actually historically accurate film about the trials hereBe more subtle next time.
If the Germans were so damn efficient, and hated Jews so badly, why didn't they simply set up slaughterhouse style bolt guns? It seems like an efficient, low cost way to put a lot of people down.
>>215667918are you from r*ddit m8?that is easily verifiable
>>215663856we now know that some sexless men become what has been known as "prison gay" and this is very different than being full zesty. state provided gfs would unironically stamp out a lot of the homosexuality that goes on in the world. of course this movie won't touch on that at all
>>215667918>>215668064>Harlan Fiske Stone, Chief Justice of the Supreme Court: "Jackson is away conducting his high-grade lynching party in Nuremberg. I don't mind what he does to the Nazis, but I hate to see the pretense that he is running a court and proceeding according to common law. This is a little too sanctimonious a fraud to meet my old-fashioned ideas."
>>215669100Are you ESL or just stupid? Literally no part of that has anything to do with genital torture you subliterate retard. None of the Nazis said they were tortured. They could have tried blinking in morse code or told their lawyers they were under duress.
I would want for all nazi leadership to be executed. Tens of million of people are dead, we blame germans for invading and starting the war, but the leadership that did that is just chilling in jail after all that? It feels like there's always a pact between ruling class similar to "we dont kill each other", peasants can be killed but lets assure that if someone loses we dont kill each other
>>215669126nice reading comprehension sukshit.lmao.
>>215669100Literally just an opinion. Also, no mention of genital mutilation. I know what you're talking about, but as many Internet deniers you confused multiple different things.
>>215669174What your stupid comic is coting is not from Nuremberg it was what happened to some Nazi POW's after they had murdered American POW's during the battle of the bulge. I forget the name of the incident.Saying "this happened here, so it's PROOF this happened here also on a much larger scale" is a bullshit argument and you know it. You have 0 (zero) sources FROM NUREMBERG of anyone being tortured.
>>215669174>>215669245Malmedy massacre, Dachau trials. Van Roden during the questioning claimed he actually never said this.
>>215669245>>215669353>the same faggot schizo is talking with himself again
>>215668392Guilt isn't a factor in whether or not someone has a fair trial
>>215663488Inferior to Nuremberg (2000).
Nuremberg 'evidence'>skin lampshades: LOST>human soap: LOST>pelvic bone ashtrays: LOST>shrunken heads: LOST"Trial">TIRBUNALS are not trials>TRIBUNALS are convened to settle disputes>TRUBIANLS do not require proof of evidence>TRIBUNALS do not allow for disclosure>TRIBUNALS do not have juries>TRIBUNALS are meant to be challenged in courts of law>a TRIBUNAL that was convened by, presided over, and adjudicated upon by those accursing its defendants of persecutionhttps://www.bitchute.com/video/P4EBBbNPul96
>>215669767Literally all of this is true, kek. You have precisely zero evidence that shrunken heads or lamps weren't real.
>>215670017>It was real to me
>>215670059It's real according to the evidence
>>215663488most nazis were extremely cowardly backstabbers. Very few died with dignity or didn't rat out their comrades for a better deal. Even those who later killed themselves like Goring and Himmler backstabbed Hitler hard and tried to strike a better deal with the Allies in exchange. Keep in mind that the star of the SS and "Hitler's favorite commando" Otto Skorzeny became a Mossad hitman and killed escaped Nazis for the Israeli regime.Another fun fact: Of the 16 million German men who served in the Wehrmacht and SS in WW2 12 million surrendered and Germany never had a relevant post-occupation resistance movement of any kind when even places like Ethiopia and Albania managed to have oneThe only other occupied state with this level of subservience was Japan, but that at least had their deified Emperor tell them to stand down. Hitler meanwhile told the Germans to fight to the last, and they all ignored it and collaborated with their occupiers to the fullest extent possibledoes this television show and/or film accurately portray this?
Informative 70-minute documentary about the Nuremberg trials:holocausthandbooks.com/video/the-holocaust-proven-at-nuremberg/Further information on the trials:holocaustencyclopedia.com/legal/trial/international-military-tribunal/See also:youtube.com/watch?v=6as_PprWngQ
>>215670122Where are these heads, lampshades, and ashtrays, then?
Was Hitler a homosexual or even transexual? Most evidence seems to point to "yes".https://www.irishexaminer.com/lifestyle/features/the-peculiar-sex-life-of-adolf-hitler-offers-insight-into-the-dictators-gay-partners-391500.htmlhttp://blog.yalebooks.com/2017/11/10/the-homosexuality-of-hitlerism/https://daily.jstor.org/ernst-rohm-the-highest-ranking-gay-nazi/https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/oct/07/books.booksnewshttps://www.washingtonexaminer.com/nazi-doctors-hitler-was-gay-took-female-hormoneshttps://www.nytimes.com/2001/12/16/books/all-the-fuhrer-s-men.htmlhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexuality_of_Adolf_Hitlerhttps://www.msn.com/en-sg/news/world/the-little-known-story-of-adolf-hitlers-intimate-relationship-with-his-young-niece/ar-BBPw7p8https://nationalpost.com/news/cross-dressing-nazis-a-german-artist-found-so-many-photos-of-them-he-published-a-book-about-it
>be decorated SS veteran>be dubbed Hitler's favorite commando>conduct iconic operations for National socialism>before even Hitler killed himself, you flee west as the Soviets close in on Berlin to pillage and rape its population>surrender to Allies>Rat out other SS commanders for better deal>Go free>Join Mossad>Hunt down Nazis who fled from Isreali retribution>your mossad handler attends your funeralwhat did xe mean by this?
>Be Gottlob Berger>Be the literal #2 of the SS, just under Himmler himself>Flee West to the Allied lines as Berlin is being pillaged and raped by the Russians>Turn yourself in and denounce Himmler for a better deal for yourself. Say you knew nothing about all the bad stuff, it was x, y, z, your own mother, etc.>After a brief stint in prison where you behave and collaborate exemplarily with the Allied authorities, you return to ZOG-occupied West Germany and spend the rest of your days begging the regime for more welfare checks for SS veterans>Die quietly in the 70s, with Germany still under Allied occupation and you having not only not resisted it, but having contributed to it
>>215663856Makes sense. We all experimented a bit in college
>Be Paul Hausser>Be the commander of the 1st SS Division, literally named after Hitler and meant to be his elite bodyguards>As Berlin falls to the Soviets, you ignore Hitler's orders to contribute to the defense and flee to go surrender to the Allies>Give information damning other nazis in exchange for an easier treatment>Say you didn't know about all the bad stuff, it was x, y, z, your own mother, etc..>Spend the rest of your days in ZOG-occupied West Germany saying SS veterans should get welfare checks and didn't really like Hitler
>>215665774>gentlemen, this is democracy manifest
>Be Oswald Pohl>He head of the SS Concentration Camps Management Office>Be tasked with Hitler for overseeing the management of Jews, Communists, and all other subversive threats to the Reich>As the war is ending you defect to the Allies, say you dindunuffin and blame others like Hitler, Himmler, Eichmann>Get shown mercy by testifying against Eichmann at his trial in Israel
>Be Vincenz Muller>Be high-ranking member of the SS>Be in charge of overseeing the security of the Fuhrer Himself, have total trust of Hitler>As Berlin is falling you defect to the USSR>After the war you help the Soviets purge the handful of nazis that remained loyal to The Fuhrer, expel Germans from Poland/Czechoslivakia, and pack up remaining German industry to ship to the USSR.>Help found the Stasi and East German police force that will massacre rioting Germans in the 1953 protests
>>215667380And Europoors have always required America in order to not speak German you faggot
>Be Fredrich Paulus>Be highly decorated general who had previously praised Hitler and Nazism>Get yourself encircled by the encircled at Stalingrad like a retard>Get promoted to Field Marshal by your beloved Fuhrer and told to fight to the end>Instead you do the exact opposite and surrender with 75% of your army still intact, devastating the Nazi war effort>Afterwards, as your troops suffer in Gulags, you and your officers live in the lap of luxury in Moscow acting as anti-Nazi Soviet propaganda mouthpieces>Make a career badmouthing and insulting Hitler and national socialism
>Be Heinz Guderain>Be architect of the German victory in France and master of Ze Panzer>Defect to the Soviets as Berlin is being raped and pillaged>After the war you write a Allied-sponsored book about how Hitler and the nazis were morons and all real Germans hated them
Be Arthur Nebe>Be head of Nazi police apparatus>Be tasked with security of the Reich>by 1944 it's clear shit is getting bad for Nazi Germany>attempts to assassinate Hitler so he can present his head to the Allies and save his own skin>get executed anyway
>Be Karl Donitz>Be one of Hitler's favorite commanders>Get appointed as the successor to Hitler before he 41%'d because Goring, Himmler, and Bormann are sniveling rats conspiring against you with the Allies (I'm sensing a trend here)>Get told to fight to the last>Instead, you immediately surrender to the Allies and beg for forgiveness>Testify against your fellow Nazis at Nuremberg, collaborate with the Soviets in expelling Germans and sending them to gulags to be worked to death>End your days appearing on Allied propaganda shows badmouthing Hitler and how everyone actually hated the moron
>Be Rudolph Hess>He Hitler's closest friend and confidant>Be the DEPUTY FUHRER of Nazi Germany, the #2 in the country>Eve of Operation Barbarossa>You become disgusted by Hitler's stupidity and try to defect to the UK>Bongs just immediately imprison you on your arrival>Don't care that you implicate, betray, backstab your fellow nazi bros>Briefly released from prison in 1946 to testify against your fellow nazis at Nuremberg, which you do enthusiastically>Back to prison, finally 41% at the age of 93What did the #2 of all of national socialism mean by this?
>>215669003Too much stress on the soldiers apparently. They started off the final solution with firing squads but mass graves took incredibly long to dig and those tasked with pulling the trigger were experiencing shell-shock or whatever it is called in a matter of hoursI guess even for soldiers for whom obeying is like breathing have a breaking pointIdk how cleaning up the gas chambers of the bodies didn't have a similar effect though
>>215670178Heads and lampshades exist. They're in Buchenwald.There are German documents mentioning the heads, so I don't know why you even deny them.
>>215663488He ate all the oven pizza didn't he
>>215670345This is utter bullshit. I'm certain that Nazi leadership could find the hardest psychopaths they can and then turn them lose. Germany is full of people like this anyway, and wartime motivation is a helluva drug. Right now there are hard motherfuckers killing families with machetes with great enthusiasm all around the world. Those men could be employed to dispatch political prisoners with the same remorseless efficiency.
>>215667405Mao had 14, 15yo's
>>215663488https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjbsD-TYi3sI hope we get a based and redpilled scene like in the other Nuremberg movie.
>>215670389>I'm certain that Nazi leadership could find the hardest psychopaths they can and then turn them loseTo the scale needed to kill millions? Seems a tad unrealistic
>>215663577>>215663554can you guys explained what jackson actually did at the trials? I know nothing about the subject and I assume wikipedia won't tell me everyting
>>215663856>curable with a short stay in a concentration campthis alone is enough reason to genocide nazis
>>215670493>genocideNazism isn't an ethnicity. Words have meanings anon
>>215670486Oh now you want to bring up what is and isn't "realistic."
>>215670486What is Rwanda?
>>215670518Did they or did they not plan to kill all the Jewish population in occupied territory along with other minorities in the scenario you wish to discuss? How many psychos would be needed in that scenario to personally shoot each and every one of them in the middle of the head like cattle?>>215670533Well, what is it?
>>215670520>Just some lads having a bit of a laugh
>>215670563You don't shoot cattle. You punch their skulls with a pneumatic air gun that kills them instantly. Using such techniques, around 300 per hour can be killed by a skilled worker. >RwandaDon't act dumb. It was proof that a huge, moderately effective genocide can be effectively carried out by machetes and racial hatred alone.
>>215670647>300 per hourGoogle says a single worker can slaughter between 60 and 150 an hourHow would that be more efficient than a gas chamber?Does the fact that a war is still being waged on multiple front factor into psychos availability?Would Jews behave exactly like cattle who doesn't know any better?
>>215670647As for rwands idk much of anything about it at all aside that may people were killed. Was it carried out by an army or by the entire population? On what time scale? How was it carried over? Does the difference between the savagery of niggers and whites factor into it?
>>215663488>it'z zimple, vee eat ze szpilman
>>215671245>use two guys>300 an hourBoom, solved.Apparently, the jews all went along with it, which is how it got to six million with so few uprisings. Your questions about the cattle bolting system can be applied to the gassing system, and the answers will make any mathematicia, logistics expert, or mortician uneasy.
>>215663554kill all RAF mass murderers
>>215671271I'm not going to spoon feed you, and there is a ton of information about it. >one million people in 100 daysshould give you a picture of the events.
>>215671348>should give you a picture of the eventIt doesn't if idk how it was conducted
>>215663488>I was expecting proaganda, not propaganda?
>>215671374look into it, you lazy dipshit. It was a wild time.
>>215671403I don't doubt it woild be mildly interesting, but for the sake of the discussion if you want to actually make a point you should consider actually trying to translate whatever happened in Rwanda with your vision of how the final solution should have been conductedI find it simply ludicrous to imagine equipping a few psychos with modern cattle guns and expect them to genocide a few minorities in the span of a couple of years while also waging a world war
>>215671441I agree that much the holocaust narrative has huge logistical problems, and my main point that "the poor soldiers just couldn't kill all day, every day" is an absolute fiction, knowing even the slightest bit about human history, or man's ability to kill his fellow man without compunction via direct, personal murder.
>>215671473Idk I seem to recall reading a bunch of studies (well, results of those studies) that documented the psychological toll war has on soldiers, including the killing they have to doI would also argue that the "industrial" scale in which the holocaust was taken out makes for a lousy comparison to the killing that is done during the sacking of cities, the pillaging of a country, or genocides resulting from mass starvation and the likes. Also also I don't think the killing done by white people should be held to the same standars than that done by the rest of "humanity"
