So they have replicators but not transporters?
One turns some matter into another matter. With the right technology you could have a big vat full of neutral sludge that the replicators use to create effectively anything.Transporters require way more computing power cause if they're off even a tiny bit you basically die or forget half your childhood or something.
>They have AI that can generate original pieces of art, but still have physical labor?The reality of shit can be weird.
>>215668868Whatever, its the same core tech
>>215668888It's the same core tech in the sense that making clay bricks and building a skyscraper is both examples of architecture.
>>215668851rematerializing stuff without losing soul/consciousness is impossible, so it checks out.
>>215669198transporters create a clone of the person with all their memories. there is no reason if you had perfect knowledge of someone's exact molecular makeup that you couldn't do that.
>>215669300Why wouldn't they just create several clones of the most competent people to keep on the ship
I mean I don't buy teleportation. As soon as the original is destroyed the person is dead
>>215668851I don't really like transporters because one way or another they open a big can full of worms.In any setting, replicators could simply work as nano-assemblers/3D-printers. No glittery teleporter stuff required.
>>215669314I'm not a Trekkie I have no idea what canon reason they have for not doing that. I'm pretty sure they just invented the transporter for budget reasons in the show so we probably shouldn't think too deeply on it.
>>215668851Using transporter kills you because your copy is not you.
if it were too much like Star Trek they would get sued you autists, quit arguing about why they don't have whatever bullshit science deviceit's because of CBS's lawyers
Just started watching this. It's actually not so bad. Why does everyone shit on it?
>>215670853Hamfisted comedy that feels out of place and distracts from the 90s trek rip off vibe?
>>215670853Because it's even more preachy than regular trek. And somehow, despite not being completely sure whether it's a comedy or not, it actually takes itself pretty seriously.
>>215668851Even if they had the tech, I promise you Seth, as a Trek fan, has probably had the same transporter morality debate that every one of us has had, and took it into consideration when writing. I wouldn't be surprised if there's an episode script that was either scrapped or going to be used in the coming season where The Union gets access to to transportation tech and plays out the debate onscreen resulting in a transporter ban. Could be cool setup for a later plot where criminals use decommissioned transporter parts to use it as the ultimate versatile guerilla weapon.
>>215670665The physical bodies are dismantled and reassembled in the desired place. There's an episode of DS9 where the crew are blown up in a ship mid transport and need to be stored on the station's computer. The data for their minds and personalities are separate, their "souls" for lack of a better term are stored on every bit of space on the computer after a complete memory wipe of everything, and their bodies are placed in a holosuite program where they take the personalities of 60s spy characters.
>>215671354If put a full HDD into a transporter would you get a full or empty HDD on the other side?
>>215670853Because the majority of episodes are based around a black woman and her children and her romance with a vibrator or a 'gay' alien couple. Even tho bortis is pretty cool when not dealing with his 'wife'
>>215671702You would get the same thing on the other side as its the HDD thats travelling. Its like of you got into a car and you got oit at the destination you wouldnt suddenly be retarded or have cancer.
>>215671810So if a HDD keeps it's data when it's transported why wouldn't a person keep their personality and memories?
>>215670853First season is great. Everything after that not so much.
>>215668851I'm so glad they never went with teleportation technology in this show. It's so insufferably soulless and completely removes any sense of suspense.I was never worried for anyone on Star Trek precisely because of the fact they had a permanent "get out of jail free" card.
>>215670853Isn't as bad at first, since the "Trek but comedy" works. Then they switch to "Trek but even more woke".
>>215669314>>215670665>>215671354They can clone souls.
>>215669385>I mean I don't buy teleportation. As soon as the original is destroyed the person is deadThere's some sci-fi media where this is basically known in universe but everyone just accepts it anyway because of the convenience.
>>215672796Name 3
>>215669300Honestly, they should just create clones for away-missions without the original knowing, then destroy them once the mission is complete. Teleport-deployed instant hyper-competent, disposable operatives are too valuable to pass up.
>>215670853because we finished watching it
Teleportation was just convenient to save on sets and special effects. That's all.
>>215672796That's literally what's happening in any show with teleporters, whether the show acknowledges it or not. I think if that technology really existed people would be ok with it. It's not that different from falling asleep and then waking up. When you wake up in the morning you can't prove that it's the same you who fell asleep.
>>215672959Its fiction. You can easily make up a show and some lore saying the teleporters shuttle your soul across and doesnt create a clone.
At least it's a lot better than modern Star Trek.
Everything is better than modern Star Trek
>>215668868>if they're off even a tiny bit you basically die or forget half your childhoodeven worse, it could change your gender which goes against starfleet regulation
Is the 4th season happening?
>that ep where the woman riker equivalent is dressed all slutty for cocktail partygallons
>>215672959>When you wake up in the morning you can't prove that it's the same you who fell asleep.that's way different, dipshit. your body remains to be the anchor to the 'you' that falls asleep. your whole self disappears in one spot and appears elsewhere with teleportationt. someone who doesn't mind the idea of it either way but still thinks it's a retarded analogy
>>215672555souls aren't real
>>215668904> It's the same core tech In Star Trek, it isn't. In TNG there's an episode where Barclay is able to move and think while being "buffered" by the transporter (to rescue crew members).Which implies the transporter actually moves your molecules through subspace and you remain conscious for the whole process.Replicators break down and rebuild matter. You can't make living tissue with a replicator, which is why people say replicated Klingon food sucks.
>>215668851I always figured it would be some sort of series finale invention. Teleporters are ludicrously strong, Trekies take it for granted just how strong it is.
>>215674219>Teleporters are ludicrously strongThis is the reason. McFarlane didn't want the stakes of every episode to be "oh no, the transporters aren't working again" and the resolution "hooray, we fixed the transporters in time!"
>>215672959>It's not that different from falling asleep and then waking up.look at this retarded mongoloid who thinks that when you sleep your brain is turned off and physically deleted and your consciousness vanishes from existence. Star Trek transportation KILLS YOU and creates a physical copy of your atoms in another point of space.that's why there's 2 Rikers. the real one was killed years before, and now you can make as many copies as you want, since NONE OF THEM ARE THE ORIGINAL who is dead.also, was it ever explained in the show, HOW THE FUCK can the all the biological processes in a human body can be jumpstarted in a body that just got materialized all at once one second ago?they could have just made the transporters open tiny wormholes or something.
>>215674260That's not how transporters work though? They break you down and then fire your particles to the point they need to be reconstructed
>>215674249every time, even in nuTrek Strange New Wokes."there's technobabbly energy interference with the transporters! they're all gonna die! no wait we were able to transport them aboard at the last second, phew!"
>>215674298>>215674249>>215674219What's most annoying is we have the solution to this problem. Robert Jordan came up with the perfect format for teleportation in Wheel of Time.Make Transporter tech one-way. Leaving is easy, getting back is hard. It lets you jump straight into action by letting your characters teleport in, but you need to come up with creative ways to get them out.Stargate does this well to an extent, in episodes where the away Gate is compromised.
>>215674286went and checked the ST wiki>The transporter was a type of teleportation machine, or simply teleporter. It was a subspace device capable of almost instantaneously transporting an object from one location to another, by using matter-energy conversion to transform matter into energy, then beam it to or from a chamber, where it was reconverted back or materialize into its original pattern.this explanation is vague as fuck but how do you "transform" biological matter into energy without completely changing what it is and what it does? and I'm pretty sure it would kill the transported anyway? if not, why don't they all just transform themselves into energy beings that can take any form?it only exists because the original show did not have the budget to show the crew using shuttles every time they went off ship.
>>215674392its 60s new age thinking, that humans would eventually evolve into pure energy. the transporter just does that for a second.
What episodes or seasons should I skip?There was a chart for this stuff.
Is Orville at least better than Enterprise?
>>215675418Yes. First season tries a little too hard with the comedy but it mellows out quickly
>>215675418I rate them about the same Worth watching and still Trek, but post golden age
>>215668851Well simple explanation is you can't transport consciousness.Ideally they could beam down androids.
>>215670698>if it were too much like Star Trek they would get sued you autistsThis is why. Transporters were a plot device developed by Gene Roddenberry for Star Trek. They allowed the characters to get in and out of trouble on the planet without taking up any travel time in the plot. Transporters are a trademark of Star Trek and Paramount and CBS. Orville did get away with ripping off the holodeck though.
>>215672959In Star Trek the soul is objectively real and gets moved by the transporter with your body. Picard once got possessed and beamed himself off as pure energy, then returned in his dematerialized state and left a "P" in the computer to let them know it was him. Basically, getting taken apart doesn't kill you, or if it does then you get resurrrected again.
>>215676178>Orville did get away with ripping off the holodeck though.Oh they got away with ripping off a lot more than just the holodeck.
I just want Star Trek to go back to the way it was. Why is that so hard?
a cute
This show really could have worked better with a different captain. Seth has no charisma and can't act.
>>215677565>a cuteretard
>>215677914That’s unfortunately true, both he and Rebecca romaine lettuce were like wooden planks. It’s not easy to pull off the Star Trek captain role. The only captains worth a shit have been Shakespearean stage actors going pretty big & keeping your eyes riveted on them. Janeway couldn’t do it, Bakula couldn’t do it, none of these boring fucks could either, except the new Capn Pike guy but he was written like a teenage girl bc paramount hired an intellectually stunted retard to run the show.
it's weird because they seem aware about the whole transporter-suicide/clone problem, but have aliens abduct them via transporter in the second episode
The Orville was phenomenally up its own ass. I have no idea how they managed to turn a dumb workplace comedy in space into one of the most pretentious, self-fellating pieces of schlock I've ever seen.
>>215678688>a dumb workplace comedy in spaceThat's not ever what it was, that's just what it pretended to be to get Fox to pay for it
>>215672959>That's literally what's happening in any show with teleporters, whether the show acknowledges it or not. I think if that technology really existed people would be ok with it. It's not that different from falling asleep and then waking up. When you wake up in the morning you can't prove that it's the same you who fell asleep.
>>215674141They're not for NPC's.
>>215674138NTA but 1) you don't know that's you, it's just something you assume by filling in the discontinuity gap and 2) your whole self disappears in one spacetime and appears in another in both instances. Will and Thomas Riker never knew the other existed until they saw each other. All sorts of wacky shit could be happening when we lose consciousness at night.
>>215674417>>215674392iirc there were aliens that were made of pure energy weren't they?the huamn drama was the focal point of all star treks with the fact that everyone is basically in a galactic hegemon.
>>215680756Meds
>>215678688>The Orville was phenomenally up its own ass. I have no idea how they managed to turn a dumb workplace comedy in space into one of the most pretentious, self-fellating pieces of schlock I've ever seen.MacFarlane lied and phased out the workplace comedy so he could make what he really wanted: neo-TNG that became late season TNG/DS9 by the end.
>>215676178if they cared at all about the transporter being linked to star trek they wouldn't have used tricorders, traced the farpoint aliens for the union emblem, and made almost every episode a parody or subversion of an already existing star trek episode. his best of both worlds clone isn't even really a subversion he just wanted wolf 359 in his show. this argument is retarded they could easily have taken transporters and called them teleporters instead, they just did not want to.
>>215682764Star Trek did not invent the concept of joining forces with a long time enemy to face a greater threat together.You are doing the thing where you just declare every sitcom is ripping off sienfeld or the simpsons, because those shows had the run time to do every premise that could be thought of.
>>215670853/tv/ has pretty bad taste
