hollywood needs to give up on trying to make epics about people like this. that napoleon slop they released a couple years ago is another good example. guys like this have lived lives which you just cant put into 3-4 hours on screen.
>>215676042>a fucking paddy as alexander the greatoliver stone is a terrible director and a cia asset
>>215676074greeks speaking with english accents. bravo oliver.
>>215676042>give uphistorical epics have barely been a genre for the past two decades
tell me what was wrong with Alexander without mentioning Farrell's accent
Napoleon winning a bunch of battles then losing it all does not seem ripe for good cinema and I have no idea why directors are so attracted to him
>>215676117What accents should they have spoken with?
What major historical person would (You) make a movie about, anons? And how would you approach it?
>>215676146Made him bisexual because some people can't understand being sad about your bro dying
>hollywood needs stop making movies like this>posts a 21 year old movielmao
>>215676398the mourning was a tad excessive for just a bro, bro
>>215676042>>215676074>>215676117>>215676118>>215676146>>215676254>>215676365>>215676387>>215676398>>215676420BUT DO YOU DREAM ANON?
Something I like as a conversation starter:Would you say that Alexander has a chance of being in the top 10 of most-famous / most-known people in the entire history of humankind?(if you count a person being known or unknown to *all* 100+ billion people who ever lived, not just the current ~8 billion people)
>>215676566As just the name ”Alexander the Great”, sure, but as for people actually knowing anything about him? No chance, not even close.
>>215676656By name alone, Kalashnikov would be in top 5.>but as for people actually knowing anything about him? No chanceYou mean if you asked people to describe what he's famous for, approximately when he lived, whom he conquered, etc?Who do you see as the rough top 10 (give or take) by this criteria where people should "actually know about" the person in question?
>>215676365eh homes, im greek mang
>>215676042that film had like... ...one good scene:https://youtu.be/aQJWuV7EDWA?si=NojmqtZGshVTjKL1
>>215676812just say "had one good scene"there is no reason to insert the word "like" into your sentence
>>215676863you should go ehm you know... like fuck yourself
>>215676566Kek, no. Cristiano Ronaldo, Messi, LeBron James, Trump, Obama, Biden, Mr. Beast, iShowSpeed, Beyonce, Drake, Bad Bunny, Kim Jong Un, Xi JinPing, Modi, Queen Elizabeth II, and most other big name streamers and entertainers. If we are talking about before mass communication, and not religious founders, I'd say it's a bunch of Chinese/Indian/Middle Eastern emperors, with Augustus and Julius Caesar thrown in there, and maybe Queen Victoria
>>215676969You're naming modern / still-living people (except Elizabeth II). Over 100 billion people who died before the 21st century have never heard of these.>and most other big name streamersThis is an extremely first world and terminally online take. Fucking STREAMERS lol. Not even, let's say, Tom Cruise? Just internet randos?Even your (presumably) still-living parents or grandparents have never heard the name of Mr. Beast. People in some Brazil or even probably most of (non-urban, but probably even urban) China have never heard of him. I myself have learned about him only about a year ago and I'm a very online kind of person, although I'm not in the US.>Bad Bunnyok literally who? Again, anon... top-10 all-time most-known people of human history.
>>215676969All of those names will be forgotten in 1,000 years. Alex however will most likely still be a popular historical figure, probably also Queen Elizabeth II.
>>215677050>probably also Queen Elizabeth III'm not entirely sure about her. Will she be a soooorta-household name like Tudors are, where in the year 2500 there will be some historical TV shows about her and such? Sure, why not. But I don't think that she is notable in the history of Britain, taken with a sufficient zooming out. You have key figures in British history who shaped the state, you have a few "memetic" figures who have entered public consciousness for some shenanigans. Elizabeth II is, what... the longest-ruling one? It's something for the bar trivia night in 2500, probably not even for the history books. It's somewhat important for British people alive today that she was the queen during such and such 20th century events. Less so from a historical perspective, imo.
>>215677047>>215677050There are two ways of looking at it here>1. Most popular by percentage of the current world's population knowing who they are.Then that would be Ronaldo, Messi, or Trump. >2. Most popular by number of people who have ever heard of them.Ronaldo, Messi, or Trump, again.I'd wager there were people in Alexander the Great's army who didn't even know who he was. There were people in the Roman Empire who had no idea who the emperor was. You're seriously over-estimating how in touch the average person was with shit back in the day.If the argument is most famous "historical" figures, then it's the Khans, Hitler, Caesar, Napoleon, and the random Indian/Chinese emperors
>>215677192Yes (for Britain), but... you know this because it's Current News (or was current news while she lived).Do you know who the previous longest serving monarch was? Did you care about this kind of information some 5 years before Elizabeth became the longest serving one?Now, in the year 2200 or 2300 or something, let alone the year 3025, even if Elizabeth's record (again, it's only a national record) won't be surpassed, who will know this? Only history autists.
Why did that guy's post get deleted? The one that I just replied to. It was a completely harmless post about Elizabeth being the longest serving monarch (in Britain).
>>215677050If you went back in time to any European town or city in the year 1025 and started asking about Alexander the Great, they would have no idea who the fuck you were talking about.You can go anywhere on Earth and they know who Trump is.
>>215677237FYI only history autists know who Alexander the Great is
>>215677217>There are two ways of looking at it hereMy proposed way, when I made the initial post, was this:> take ALL people who ever lived, which is 100+ billion, not just the current 8 billion> ask them whether they know about this famous person> estimate how many of them knowWhere "know" = some version of "oh yeah, it's the guy who is Such And Such Guy and he's famous for This Thing"Major historical figures have a lot of accumulated fame from being known not only in their own time, but also throughout the future centuries because they are still being taught about. People like Cleopatra or even Hitler for a recent-ish example.Now, how many people know about modern political figures, like Trump, Putin, etc? I'd wager about 20 billion (considering the amount of newer and newer people who have been born in this "modern" timeframe), which is a lot, but also a good chunk of these 20 know about Alexander + a fuckton of already dead people from the past know about him. I wouldn't be so sure that Trump is more known (across all history) than Alexander.
>>215677277His name is on, like... *so* many things, places, etc.
>>215677323>> take ALL people who ever lived, which is 100+ billion, not just the current 8 billionOkay. The vast majority of those people were:1. illiterate2. died young3. did not venture far4. did not interact with anyone besides the localsBiblical figures and figures from the Koran would be the most popular. That's it. In your imaginary scenario, do you really think people back then were reading Wikipedia or history books? They were struggling to survive. They didn't even know who was in charge, most of the time.
>>215676515Watching this movie was worth it for this scene alone.
>>215676724Superman>but he is fictional characterExactly, and created in the Exact way, by the Exact guys, Before certain Exact influences like Gladiator 1930 and The Superman of Dr Juke 1932 and with mythological characters and symbols at That time like Christian cross in Action Comics #1 and with Jack Kennedy being killed in 1939 in Superman #1You know, something that you Actually actually can Know about, instead of just blindly trusting your favorite school teacher and/or doctor, unless you have infinite amount of health and wealth to do Your own research and even better if you have superpowers and can travel back in time at least 100 years ago.You literally live in a world of Superman as of now, just like everyone else do. World where Times' person of the year Hitler and Stalin are "actually bad guys" but then Stalin "not so much" and no mention of "real good guys" nuking 2 The most Christian cities of non-Christian nation on Transfiguration day (because Christ became light on that day according to Current history's lore and dates) and 3 days later (because 3 is Trinity which is the name of project) and Siegel and Schwartz who actually wrote Atom Smasher story were questioned by the feds for too much similarities with the real life bomb project. That is what you can Actually know and actually reference. The completely made up character , because he was created in 20th century where photography was available, meanwhile people Today are LYING despite video evidence with sound is available, which is btw THE reason why "Superman" is a made up identity of Clark Kent, if you actually read the original comics, let alone background writing about 1934 version and Gladiator 1930 which inspired it heavily. Imagine that.
>>215677440Up to which century, though? Because the population growth has been like picrel. It's not extremely concentrated in the 20th century alone. People from the 19th and 18th centuries also contribute quite a fair amount. A non-negligible amount of them lived in cities and not in absolute slums. Education was a thing already.
>>215677587>Soviet threatens Baltic states (newspaper on the left)What kind of grammar is this?
>>215677588Most people in say 1890 London knew who Victoria was, and I bet a good chunk of them had heard of the Mongols, or Shakespeare, or Julius Caesar. Paradoxically, the further back you go, the less and less people actually know about these guys, which is ironic. That’s because we have instant access to information, and our population is bigger than ever. I’d wager more people know about Julius Caesar today than have ever known about him, combined. And I’d still place him as less popular than Messi or Trump
>>215676042that's why you pick a specific event in their lives instead of doing a biography. they would spend weeks preparing for a single battle back then, there's a lot you can do with that.
>>215676146too gay.
>>215676118only that senile fuck whats his face has made historical epics in the past couple years, and they fucking suck since he makes them neither romanticized nor historically accurate. They are just worthless. fuck you ridley scott.
>>215677721No, I get your *overall* argument, I just think you're off numbers-wise.Trump was known only to Americans until ~10 years ago. (and some isolated businessmen here and there in other countries)Messi is known only to people who are into football, plus a bit of spillover into pop culture (he's been in random adverts for various shit and such). My mom doesn't know who he is, for example. And she's just a 60 year old woman in Europe. I imagine it's very possible that she's seen his face on some poster here and there and such, but she hasn't "heard of him" and wouldn't recognize him.Meanwhile, the historical figures that we're talking about have been known to a large chunk of people not only in the 20th century, but also 19th and 18th century. It's a biiiig amount of people. It's some 80% of people who ever lived. You're right that a farmer in the 12th century never heard of Caesar, but numbers-wise the people living in those centuries are almost irrelevant. The knowledge base is made up by people of the past 3 centuries or so, but I think you're considerably overestimating the importance of just the last ~30 years worth of people.
>>215677830Were you there?
>>215676387it's been 80 years, time to forgive and forget if you ask me. Let's just make a nice personal biopic about the man behind the Reich.
>>215676042Alexander was great though. To compare it to the Napoleon slop is an insult.https://youtu.be/ZYVuzq2rDIQ?t=174
>>215677853even if I was on set, doubt he would have listened to me, too much ego.
The problem isn’t wanting to make movies about these larger than life figures, the problem is wanted to shove their whole lives into a 2 hour movie. It’s just going to be a mess.If they had the humility to make a movie about just one small part of their lives it would be kino. A movie solely about Napoleons campaign in Egypt, or his march into and out of Russia, or a movie about Alexander’s trek through the Egyptian desert to visit the oracle.It would be much tighter and you could do a lot more
>>215677916/r/whoosh
>>215677916Ahah you got me.
>>215677848Population of Europe in 1850 = 200 millionRonaldo’s Instagram follower count = 660 millionIt’s just math. Todays most popular people are the most popular of all time. And in 50 years, they will be replaced by other people.
>>215677688The 1940s one. Before you or I were born, before the "good" war ended and the "good" guys won and then started murdering each other and then Also employed some of the "bad" guys that Actually did kind of crimes they nuked lots of civilians for. Condemned by Superman in Superman #1 and #2 but sort of okay'ed by Superman in Superman #48 (under more strict editorial censorship and results of "good" war being won by the "real good guys, the best")Just think about it : "How Superman would end the war" was made in 1939, back then Germans loved Hitler, Russians loved Stalin and only (some of) USA hated both and seen them as two real evil dudes. 2025 and now Germany AND Russia both treat first one as "The evil" and second one as "yes, he probably did some Evil thing but..." and in terms of "Russia" it is since 1953 already.Also, ofc, Superman is "The Man of Steel" because of Stalin and he is from "race of supermen" ("kryptonians" was the name that someone else came up with when Siegel was in the army) sounds really familiar as (according to official history) views and beliefs of the other guyTHAT is definite Before and After that literally anyone can look up and verify , even just by talking to a real person instead of just reading wikislop
>>215676042>hollywood needs to give upThey did. There was a post-Gladiator, post-LOTR wave of epic movies, but it's long over. Ridley Scott is the only one still trying to make stuff like that.
>>215677972What in the world
>>215677050>industry plant singers>sportsball players who will be replaced by bigger and more roided up sportsball players in five years >the monarch of some d-list hermit kingdom>the forty fourth emperor of a empire that’s probably going to have 250 emperors before it finally collapses for good, and he has no major achievements Yeah I’m thinking fifty years at best
>>215677955>Ronaldo’s Instagram follower count = 660 millionThat's a grand total of all accounts who follow him. Let's assume they are real people (why not), let's even buff it to 700-800 million to account for those who UNfollowed him at some point or deleted their account.800 million people have pressed "follow" on his account. Not everyone uses Instagram, not everyone follows every celebrity they know of. Let's be generous and say that ~2.5 billion people know of him.> Population of Europe in 1850 = 200 millionYes, but that's in a given year. ~60 years before that it was 200 million MORE entirely different people. And ~60 years later it was 200 million MORE entirely different people. This is a very quick and dirty approach to integral calculation (especially since population was growing and not steady), but hopefully you get my point.Population in a given year is the wrong metric here, when you're comparing it to Ronaldo's *accumulated* know-ers. Something *easily* like half a billion people witnessed the 19th century in Europe alone. Then many many more witnessed the 20th century. Now add other first world / civilized places. That's many billions, even a couple *dozen* billions of school-educated people in 19th and 20th centuries alone who were taught about Alexander. This is long before Ronaldo was even born.
>>215676969>Cristiano Ronaldo, Messi>ModiI've never heard of these people.
>>215678172Trying to seem ignorant to seem smart is not a good thing. All knowledge is good knowledge. The more you know the greater you are. Or maybe you just don't read the news and really don't know.
>>215678158The issue is, you're severely bothA) over-estimating people's knowledge in the past, and B) under-estimating their connectivity today/viewership on things. More people, today, at this moment in time, know who Alexander the Great was, than any moment in history. Maybe 100,000,000 alive today can safely identify him. The further back you go, the less people know about him. That's the paradox. Even if we were to accumulate the number, it still will not beat guys like Ronaldo or Messi. This is because 5 billion people watched the World Cup. Let's think about the years 300 BC -- 1800 AD. Maybe some scholars can tell you about Alexander the Great. Maybe some people in the Renaissance. But, you're going to have to wait until at least the 1800s to even have schools boys learn about him
>>215678269I've never heard of those people. Therefore, they aren't more famous than Alexander the Great.
>>215678354>That's the paradox.You keep calling it the paradox but I don't see anything paradoxical about this (this specific thing that you highlight). It's quite obvious. Population increases, education increases. OF COURSE more people know about him today than ever.>Even if we were to accumulate the number... yes, which is the entire premise here from the start>This is because 5 billion people watched the World CupAnd you're postulating that there's fewer than 5 billion people who got an education in the past 3 centuries or so? This is the weak part in your stance.>A) over-estimating people's knowledge in the past, and This isn't, let's say, William The Conqueror who invaded Britain, who is understandably "literally who" to most other places. This is instead someone who conquered every civilization that mattered in Europe and some part of Asia. He shaped the "Western civilization" and is a part of local history in a ton of places.Someone like Cleopatra wins over Alexandra for memetic reasons, but Alexander is also an exceptionally well-known historical figure across Europe (and therefore, by proxy, in US/Canada/Australia/etc) and Asia.
>>215678619>Alexandraffs am I retarded
>>215676398Alexander the Great literally was a bisexual
>>215676042Alexander is gay slop of the highest order. Awful film.
>>215678659No he wasn't. Gay people have never done anything worthwhile. All they do is spread aids. There were no gay people until the CIA started spreading the GAY gene. THE CIA MADE ME LOVE TRANNIES YOU HEAR ME!? I NEED MY LEAD I NEED MY LEAD SHOT!
>>215676074>>215676117Alex was Macedonian, and the Macedonians had already interbred with the celts after fighting the Gauls all that time. Alex described as having with a lions golden mane, so Stone cast a modern day celt to portray him.Angelina Jolie as Olympias is the bigger problem, not bc whatever accent she thinks she’s doing is wrong, but bc she just forgets to do it here & there and starts talking cowboy English halfway through a line. Hilariously bad.
>>215678619>And you're postulating that there's fewer than 5 billion people who got an education in the past 3 centuries or so?Yes.>This isn't, let's say, William The Conqueror who invaded Britain, who is understandably "literally who" to most other places....He shaped the "Western civilization" and is a part of local history in a ton of places.Dude, I get it. I know. We all know who he was. There was a movie about him, that's the basis of this thread. BUT...and here is the thing you aren't understanding....Alexander the Great is a literal who to most people who have ever lived. You are acting like he was constantly on the tip of everyone's tongue. For one, he wouldn't even be recognized outside of Greece/Italy/Arab world for thousands of years. For two, he was only recognized by people who could access reading material. Then maybe he started getting popular again in the Renaissance.
Alexander was pure kino.
>>215678771>Alexander the Great is a literal who to most people who have ever lived. You are acting like he was constantly on the tip of everyone's tongue.No, here I was saying that he's well-known to the vast majority of people who got a modern education of the past 2-3 centuries or so. Including lower-class people, the kinds of people who - as you correctly say - wouldn't have heard of him back in the year 1234 or smth. But the population started growing so fast in these centuries that, essentially, the educated people who were taught about Alexander make a huge chunk of the all-time population in general. Something like 85%+ of it easily. You can almost completely discard those farmers from 1234 as being a statistical blip.
>Doesn't your great pride fear the mods any longer?>This board, this board is your blood anon.
>>215677868Yeah, a load of scenes from it were pretty fucking spectacular. Especially the war scenes, and that fucking full leg extension on the war horse, my god…. Some of that shit, the war elephants just plowing through everything, were done up like that from archeological sources for the first time since ancient times, and the scene of it got so grand with all these huge armored animals only somewhat under control that the risk of shit going seriously fatally wrong was terrifying for everyone.
>>215678863If you asked the majority of people today, even in the educated 1st world, about Alexander the Great, they couldn't tell you much, if anything. Ask them about entertainers or sports stars, and they'd tell you. Now this even more prominent in the 2nd and 3rd world.
>>215679048> famous Greek (or "Macedonian") warlord> lived something like 300 years BC, give or take> famous for his epic conquest across Mediterranean and further into Asia> the city of Alexandria is named after him> a popular Persian/Arabic(??) name Iskander is literally just "Alexander" adopted into local languages, based on himThese are super well-known facts.Out of curiosity, do you hold a similar opinion about Genghis Khan?
>>215679222Those aren't really well-known facts to most peopleI already talked about him here>>215677217He's more famous because more normal people know about the Mongols than greek conquests. Same with Hitler being more famous than Alexander. Seriously. He isn't that well known, because most people don't care about history that much. Also, the Khans impacted more people directly than Alexander as a percentage of global population (contemporarily speaking, but arguments can be made for long term historical impact)
>>215679222>>215679286Also, I have a feeling was if you asked people about "Ancient Greece" their thinking typically goes towards the Spartans or just a cliche Athenian philosopher dude in a toga. Maybe the smarter people would say Plato or Aristotle. And MAAAAYBE the small percentage of history nerds would mention Alexander.
>>215676042Ive never seen Alexander. Does the movie address that he was:>gay>alcoholic>emotionally unhinged>weak in appearance compared to his people>everything he accomplished was because of his father's achievements>murderous and genocidal for no reason
>>215676042nojews will never give up trying to ruin & rewrite historyI'm surprised there hasn't been a gayer Spartan movie and they only went as far as cuckolding Leonidas in 300.
>>215679513Yes, the movie is a jewish as you
>>215679222He founded the city and named it himself. He did that multiple times.
>movie about Alexander the Great>only 2 battleslol wtfI dont even know what his life was like and it still seems like total BS to me.
>>215679790Touched a nerve? Are you somekind of Alexander fanboy? Remember that he torched Persepolis AFTER he'd already conquered it, destroying countless, irreplaceable works of philosophy and art. Dude was monumental piece of shit.
>>215679321Cleopatra is by far the most famous figure to come out of ancient greece
>>215679799Just to add to this. Just because Ronaldo and Mr Bean are more well known today than Alexander the Great or Achilles should not upset you. The latter have been immortalised and they will never perish. What the uncultured masses know and dont know should not infuriate you. The legacies of the later mentioned shall be carried on for millennias to come.
>>215678753I don't even get why she had the accent, other non Macedonian Greek characters speak English normally and she's supposed to be Epirote whose native language was Greek, why make it all weird?
>>215677161She's going to face significant revisionism over the coming decades and become as reviled a monarch as John.
>>215679860Yes we know he was not a very nice man. But you cannot do what he did while being nice. What he did was legendary. He was a scary, impulsive, brave and brilliant man. We may only dream to get a leader like him today.
>>215679939For losing large parts of the empire, I take it?
>>215676042This was a good movie albeit. This was pure kino. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZcv8xFe4YU
>>215680008Not solely because of that, but one can't look at Britain from 1952 to 2022 and not see obscene levels of decline. And as the mythic monarchial neutrality is revealed to have been always a facade it's not going to do her any favours with what she chose to influence. It's not impossible that Britain is a republic before the end of the century and a good degree of the rot will correctly be traced back to her.
>>215679997>scary, impulsive, brave and brilliant man. We may only dream to get a leader like him today.Nta but he wasn't brave, he was fearless which is not a good thing in a leader. Lack of fear makes one reckless.>BrilliantHe was an atrocious statesman and politicians. His successors killed his family and heirs then carved up all of his shit amongst themselves while pissing on his will.Fagsander was a joke.
>>215680057>>215680008>>215679939Nah.In like 500 years, the 20th century will basically be summed up as "a big war collapsed all the European empires". WW1 and WW2 will get lumped together, just like we do with events that happened 500 years ago now
>>215679799Yes (as if that's a bad thing).My point about the city was that Alexandria is one of the well-known cities on the Mediterranean. And it's called Alexandria. Any person with even a small modicum of curiosity about the surrounding world will think "hmm, it sounds like it was named after an Alexander guy, I wonder who that is". That is, if they didn't know this already.
>>215680164I've better things to do than argue with you. Good evening.
>>215680258In 500 years we won't even have history as a discipline anymore. Global muttification will overrun the world and nobody will be able to conceptualise anything further back than yesterday.
>>215680283I accept your concession.Good night.I have to go wageslave tomorrow.
>>215680328I wish you a good nights sleep and good fortunes in your future endeavours.
>>215680258>WW1 and WW2 will get lumped together, just like we do with events that happened 500 years ago nowSee, I agree with you in principle, and even nowadays they can be seen as phases of an overarching conflict.But the relationship of the humankind with the accumulated knowledge, and the way it has permeated the culture and minds of people, is hard to overestimate.Consider this. If you are in the 20th century, and you're studying some wars from the 14th century, by going through old documents about them, there is "nothing stopping you" from calling those conflicts The Great 14th Century War. They have long long long faded from the public consciousness, no one has thought about them apart from history autists.But WW1 and WW2 are there to stay "forever" as major cultural milestones. Can you imagine the amount of effort, both political and cultural and otherwise, that it would take to officially rename and merge them?It's like trying to switch to 100 seconds in a minute, 100 minutes in an hour and 10 hours in a day. Could have been done in the 19th century or so. Cannot be done nowadays and will NEVER be done on Earth. 60/60/24 is now *everywhere*, in every aspect of human societies.WW1 and WW2 will never "leave" the public consciousness, they have become memes. Not in a 4chan meaning of memes, in the cultural meaning. "World War 2" is an "established thing", it's "A" thing. Eventually, over time, everyone who remembers it will completely die out and it will stop being this painfully traumatizing event, but it's such a gigantic cultural staple and stock setting/event.For this very same reason, I firmly believe that there will never be a "World War 3". There will be major conflicts, sure. But while they happen, no one will dare to call the current events World War 3. It feels like such an incredibly colossal label to apply to what will feel unworthy of it in the middle of things. Applying it retroactively to a recent conflict will be even harder.
>>215680293That's probably for the better. What good came out of knowing history? Only holding grudges because those fucks over there did something 93 years ago that your locals here didn't like.
>>215680430>>But WW1 and WW2 are there to stay "forever" as major cultural milestones.That's very presumptive when we're not even 100 years out from them. I'm sure every big war was considered A Thing, a meme, the 30 Years War killed a 1/3rd of Germany yet although it remains a touchstone for those interested in politics with Westphalia it isn't A Thing anymore amongst the general public. In another 320 years it's very likely that the Great 20th Century War becomes another such conflict where the importance of the 1945 settlement is known by academics and history buffs.
>>215680499Right, but knowledge wasn't widespread at all. This actually touches on that other argument above (about most-known historical figures).It's easy to retroactively rename or merge something when it's long forgotten by "everyone" except for your group of 50 scientists.But how do you envision doing that when all billions of people on Earth have access to this knowledge, when it's on Wikipedia, when it's on myriads of other pages online and offline?Do you envision a point, in some year 2400, when WW1 and WW2 are forgotten to such a degree that there are only very few edits on their respective Wiki pages per month, and where their pages can be renamed or merged because "well, it seems like the consensus these days is as such"?Again, my main point in this argument is that the knowledge about them permeates truly everything, at a scale that was impossible for any events of the past centuries. Just due to the access to information by people.
>>215680596>But how do you envision doing that when all billions of people on Earth have access to this knowledge, when it's on Wikipedia, when it's on myriads of other pages online and offline?Same way things like Covid and other well documented things in recent history have simply become forgotten. People just don't care, time passes, the current material reality has no bearing on the outcome of such a war, or in WW1/2's case the populations of the countries involved have literally been changed via mass immigration so the new demographics don't care. And we're now living through a period where the old internet is being lost. Hyperlinks don't go anywhere, old sites are dead and down with no webarchive snapshots. Things will just fade away online, maybe the information stays up but who will read it or care? Maybe it gets wiki vandalised and actual proper historical books are uncommon enough that incorrect facts become vaguely remembered.My argument is that time erodes everything, entropy wins, and to say that these wars will continue to occupy a significant part of the popular imagination indefinitely is just not believable.
>>215676515K I N O>>215677498Trve.
>>215680732Ah, I understand your approach to this. Covid's actually a good example here.It's a little late here and I'm calling it a day, but it's been a surprisingly nice thread here with some interesting arguments on various things.
>>215680810Same, nice chat, have a good night.
>>215677863thisbut no kike bullshit, just straight führer kino.
>>215680430Nah.Wars are named by the general consensus of historians. In the future they will be renamed. A lot wars have. The Napoleonic Wars was called the Great War. Then it became just the “Napoleonic War”. Historians don’t typically respect the naming conventions of the past
>mfw i own the only DVD version (now out of catalog in every country) that isn't shit and has no gay garbage in it
>>215676969Who are Mr. Beast and iShowSpeed?
>>215677721>I’d wager more people know about Julius Caesar today than have ever known about him, combinedThat's a retarded take,
>>215676042Where's the Caesar trilogy? From washed up noble family to the darling of the young and hip, then celebrated general and finally civil war warlord.
>>215678354>Maybe 100,000,000 alive today can safely identify him.Pretty sure the number is in the billions. Everyone has heard about him today, much more than some sports players.
>>215676969Jack the Ripper alone will be remembered longer than all of them lol
for me? it's the diadochi
