>>215688617
I have excellent media literacy, that's why I watch a show for 5 seasons and hate the main character the entire time!

>>215688617
FUCK JANE AND FUCK YOU BITCH

>>215688664
She may have been a bitch but Heisenfag is a huge fuck face

>>215688664
SHE WAS Q'S ONLY DAUGHTER YOU SHIT

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>>215688617

Hank was the only likable character.

>>215688670
>>215688701
>cuck simps for a dope whore
cringe
>>>/r9k/

>>215688617
Had he not been there would things have gone down any differently?

>>215688617
She killed herself; he just didn't save her. Go take your narcan so you can terrorize the streets like a leaning ghoul for another day, junkie faggot.

>>215688617
Bitch had at most 2 months to live even if he hadn't done it.

>>215688617
He let her die. He didn't kill her.

>>215688751
You didn't see him literally roll her onto her back and then refuse to help?

>>215688730
Hank was a huge hypocrite, typical pig
>protects wife when she breaks the law
>goes after brother in law for breaking the law

>>215688783
I hate junkies too but this show is overrated and fucking wack

>>215688822
If you watch it as if it's a live action comic book, it's much better.

>>215688751
Yeah if he didn’t kill her Jesse would also die when they inevitably overdosed.

>>215688820
Marie stole some shit, Walt executed 10 men and bombed a nursing home.

>>215689023
It's not that much worse really

>>215689023
Yeah but Marie is a fucking cunt, she and Skylar deserved to die in brutal ways preferably

>>215688617
jane simpcels out!
>>215688820
these are the typa retards im arguing with on this board
>>215689100
marie was fucking based, skyler was a cunt

>>215689023
don't forget about the meth empire

>>215689137
>based
>character that did nothing in the whole show
Even the retarded cripple Walt Jr did something getting caught selling drugs

>>215689167
I guess when you put it that way yeah but compared to skyler she was an angel

>>215688617
he's a piece of shit retard for sure but letting some junkie die is probably one of the good things he did

And what the fuck was with that "Flynn" bullshit?

>>215689023
>muh nursing home
Nobody cares faggot, it was the most exciting thing to happen to those boomers in years

>>215688730
>Dean Norris as Ben Franklin
I didn't know I needed this until now.

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If walt killed jane that means batman killed ras al gul, and that is impossible because batman doesnt kill people

>>215689023
BASED

>>215688642
I know you're being ironic but genuinely, I feel like the leftist revisionist history around Breaking Bad is misguided as unironically being "Walter did nothing wrong" from start to finish. Breaking Bad is a show about a good (or at least, decent/functional man) who BECOMES bad, hence the title. The show is about the transformation. People on Reddit, X, wherever never even mention Walter having cancer as pushing him over the edge anymore.
>He was just evil the entire time because um toxic masculinity

>>215688617
Walt felt guilty about it though, which manifested in the form of a fly

>>215688730
>weed and drugs are le evil
>alcohol and illegal cuban cigars are kino!

>>215690955
To my understanding the point isn't that he was evil the entire time, it was that Walter was always a pretty insecure and egotistical person even before the events of the show and before he turned to crime

>>215688617
Jane was dead the moment she let Jessie move in. She was a drug addict and in Jessie saw a way back to drugs, despite her father having done everything short of just locking her up in a basement to keep her safe from herself. Let's say Walt just gave them Jessie's cut of the deal with Gus, they don't go off to live happy lives after, no they end up dead on a overdose in an alley or ditch somewhere.

>>215691005
But that's wrong too, it just doesn't fit with what the choices he makes in the first few seasons. His first thought was to leave something behind for his family, to not leave them destitute and in ruins. But when that doesn't work out in the first episode, he decides it's not worth it and to just die in peace. But in comes Skylar and guilt's and pressures him into treatment they can't afford, and refuses to even talk with him unless he does.
And when he does give in, what does she immediately do? She goes blabbing to acquaintances that they see maybe once or twice a year at best and what do they offer? It's not taking care of Walt's family or helping them out, which everything Walt has done at that point shows is his only priority. No, they offer to 'employ' him to pay for the treatments so they can show just how much better they are than Walt, how generous and morally good they are.

Walt doesn't go full ego maniac until season 5. And it's a insane switch, it's like it's an entirely different show. But even when he has gone full ego maniac mode, when Skylar shows he has made more money than she could ever wash, that they could ever spend, he stops. He goes "Okay, I've made enough, I've done enough". And the fun thing is, immediately after Hank finds out Walt was Heisenberg, he goes full ego mode that it has to be him that brings in his brother-in-law, that his pride demands it's him that takes him down instead of letting the rest of DEA know what's up.

>>215688617
all druggies deserve death

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>Rewatching the series after BCS.
>Just got past Saul's introduction.
I don't believe he did this from what I recall from the later seasons but why didn't Hank immediately go after Badger as soon as Blue Sky was hitting the streets again a few weeks after Badger got his plea deal? It would mean Badger lied to police fingering a guy who couldn't even make Blue Sky from where he was even if he staggered releases. From what I remember Jesse's crew are all mostly left alone until the Gus stuff starts happening and they start dealing meth to the recovering addicts.

>>215690955
>Muh leeeftiiists
Jesus christ seek help you mong

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>>215691696
>But in comes Skylar and guilt's and pressures him into treatment they can't afford, and refuses to even talk with him unless he does.
Are you actually Walter posting from beyond the grave? Literally everyone is baffled Walt is just going to sit down and die including Breakfast and Skyler. Walt Jr. even says Walt should go kill himself if he finds trying to beat it so awful because at least Walt Jr. is trying to live his life. That's not guilting him, that's the family he oh so cares about saying they want him around as long as possible and that they love him.
>they offer to 'employ' him to pay for the treatmentst
They offered up front to pay for the entire treatment, the job was a bonus to continue to pay for other tertiary stuff they might miss which is why Elliot brings up the "excellent health insurance". When Gretchen meets him in season 2 she even says the offer is still on the table to pay for his medical bills, and the entire understanding from Skyler's side was that E&G were paying for the treatment out of pocket, not that it was covered under insurance otherwise her calling for stuff like Walt's fugue state and room stay wouldn't make any sense.
>so they can show just how much better they are than Walt
Are you joking? Walt got pissed Gretchen was rich and didn't feel like he was "worth" being with her so he up and left everything; cashing in his stock options out of his petulant pettiness and ego and then held that over their heads for his entire life even though he cashed out. At any point he could have come back and they would have let him, and they were literally begging him when he got the cancer with Elliot even pointing him out to the hoity toity guests at the party that Walt is the entire reason Grey Matter exists.

Walt's issue was all based on ego and pride, and he didn't want to admit his failures or faults while constantly holding a grudge over two people who didn't do anything wrong to him until the Charlie Rose interview.

>>215692668
> Literally everyone is baffled Walt is just going to sit down and die including Breakfast and Skyler.
Hank and Marie was siding with Skylar when they had only heard her side, a few minutes into the "intervention" they sided with Walt. They could have one last year together loving each other, and without ruining the family's future and without Walt having to undergo extensive treatments. But no, Skylar just had to have it her way.

>They offered up front to pay for the entire treatment
Exactly, which wasn't Walt's aim or goal. His priority was his family's future, hence the 737 number he calculates in front of Jessie just an episode or two later. They tried to pay for the wrong thing, the actual incentive Walt would have cared about was something like a pension or death insurance, something to let him know his family would be okay. Walt's goal was never paying for his treatments.

Walt's issue wasn't ego or pride, plenty of people wrong him, insult him, disrespects him and he is willing to work with them still through the show. He will take it, for the good of his family, up until season 5 when suddenly the switch is made and he goes full "I'm in the empire business" mode.

>>215688617
Jane killed herself. Walt just didn't prevent it.

>>215692825
>your death is all about me
To be fair, pretty standard woman logic. Accurate writing.

>>215690955

> like the leftist revisionist history around Breaking Bad is misguided as unironically being "Walter did nothing wrong" from start to finish.

please elaborate

>>215688783
She only rolls over onto her back because Walt is there

>>215688617
Dont forget the hundered thousands of people he killed with his drugs

The drugs he made destroyed cities communities and families

This drugdealing piece of shit was worse then El Chapo

>>215692825
>season 5 when suddenly the switch is made and he goes full "I'm in the empire business" mode
Because his wife told him she wants him to hurry up and die. His family was beyond repair at that point so the business was all he had

>>215692825
>They could have one last year together loving each other, and without ruining the family's future and without Walt having to undergo extensive treatments. But no, Skylar just had to have it her way.
Except Walt. Jr. also wanted him around and wanted him to kill himself if he's that nihilistic about it all. Yes, it was going to place a gigantic financial burden on them but Skyler and Walt Jr. were both willing to risk it and pissed he was going to roll over and die. Hank is still against it while Marie is pushing for letting Walt do his own thing.
>They tried to pay for the wrong thing
They were going to pay for his treatments, give him health insurance that would cover side things, AND a job that paid him extremely well. All three of these things were being offered to Walt and he turned them down, choosing instead to stick with the school job and meth business because it's money -he- made.
>He will take it, for the good of his family
Then he should have accepted the Grey Matter job offer and made who knows how much salary, insurance, and his entire treatment paid for. If Walt wanted to just make money to leave for his family then the Grey Matter job would have done exactly that. Not enough to pay for everyone's college but enough, and he'd be in good standing with G&E to likely get financial support on top of it.

Just think about how this entire situation would have worked out had Walt not gotten into the meth business. He would have been a chemistry teacher for a few months and died leaving them a couple thousand dollars because of his pride and ego.
If he took the offer at Grey Matter he'd be in remission with who knows how much money G&E would have been giving him as a salary, his entire contribution to the company would be front and center since he's there, he'd have health insurance, he'd have a working marriage, he'd have a son who doesn't hate him, his sister-in-law would still love him, and his brother-in-law would still be alive.

>>215692856
Not that guy, but so many pretend like the first season isn't Walt being in a situation where there are fewer and fewer good choices left. It started out as a show about the best intentions leading to hell, that despite your best efforts you can't control for the unexpected, and for the third, fourth, fifth and beyond order consequences.

But the problem is, the show did too good a job showing the characters values and motivations early on and setting up challenges and difficulties to overcome, and didn't do a good enough job showing the corrupting influence of power and money that much of the audience has hitched themselves to this idea that Walt was always an egomaniac, that he was pure evil from the start. Because that's the only explanation for how quick a turn he suddenly makes when the show neared it's end, if the perspective on the show has to be it was about ego and pride.

They twist and turn the few scenes they can interpret to reinforce their view of the show, while ignoring the dozens of other scenes that contradicts it.

>>215688617
Heisenberg(meth be upon him) had to get it on, Jane was making a move

>>215692668
don't you have genshit threads to pollute

>>215692917
But taking the Grey Matter job wouldn't solve his problem. At the time of the poorly timed offer to pay for his treatment, that he gets as a result of his wife having betrayed him for the second time in a week, his prognosis was much shorter than he ends up living in the show. Whatever the Grey Matter job would pay (and notice how Elliot tries to sell the job, it's not extolling the amazing pay or pension or death insurance) it wasn't nearly enough to what his family would need. If you think the Grey Matter job would do anything to solve the problems Walt was trying to solve, then you just weren't paying attention.

Also, if you think Walt would have gone into remission if he took a pity position where he would hate every day, feeling like a failure, then you neither understand the importance of patients having a good mindset, nor do you understand the principles of writing. The show makes a point of Walt being unhappy when he gets the news about the remission, because the remission within the show is caused by Walt finally living again, taking chances and excelling at something. Within the show, it is exactly because of the excitement and feeling like a success that the treatments actually work.

And Hank dies because he decided he was going to be the one to take Walt down, instead of immediately going to his superiors. He had plenty of opportunities to walk away, to not let his own pride get in the way. Hell, the only reason Hank wasn't killed immediately after discovering it was because Walt was trying to spare him, to not have to get him killed.

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>>215692934
>isn't Walt being in a situation where there are fewer and fewer good choices left
Going with Elliot's offer is objectively the "Good choice". it addresses all three issues he has at that point in time:
>He doesn't want to go for treatment that will leave his family in debt so G&E pay for that outright.
>He doesn't want to take medication that will leave his family in debt so the job they give him at Grey Matter gives him insurance to do that.
>It gives him a job that will pay him sums of money in the time he has left enough to at least help Skyler not be destitute.
He has zero reason to not take that job over keeping his school chemistry teacher job outside of ego and pride for something he himself did. This is without any remission happening, just the stuff up front.

We know from all the flashbacks and discussions about the matter that Walt was the one who felt inadequate being with Gretchen due to her wealth and prestige, that he was the one who purposely sold his stake in Grey Matter, and that he's the one who holds a grudge over the whole thing despite it literally being his fault. It isn't until he's outed as New Mexico's worst criminal drug lord that they even think to say anything against him and all they did was cover their company's reputation.
>and didn't do a good enough job showing the corrupting influence of power and money that much of the audience has hitched themselves to this idea that Walt was always an egomaniac
He is literally willing to have Badger shanked to save money when Saul asks him if he's sure they don't want to shank Badger before Jesse stares at him and shouts at him about it. Jesse is the only reason he even goes through with it.
When Walt calculates that he and Jesse are going to take home $700,000 each he's still shouting at Jesse that they need to drain the entire barrel of methlamine and that it's not enough money even though he already calculated a few weeks prior that that's basically double what he even needs.

>>215693106
>Going with Elliot's offer is objectively the "Good choice". it addresses all three issues he has at that point in time
For the last time, that job offer doesn't do anything at all to solve the problem Walt was trying to solve.

And for the Badger example, I didn't say the show didn't have any scenes showing the corrupting influence of power and money, I said it didn't do a good enough job at showing it to avoid the audience hitching themselves to the idea that he was always an ego maniac. You have trouble with nuance, don't you?

And the "We have to cook" scene comes right as Walt is doing tests to see how the cancer treatments are going. He is expecting the results to be the cancer has gotten worse, or hoping for that, so he pushes to finish off the barrel to cash out. To leave as much money as he possibly can for his family right before dying. It's not ego or pride that pushes him there, it's his expatiation that his time has (finally) run out.

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>>215693037
>If you think the Grey Matter job would do anything to solve the problems Walt was trying to solve, then you just weren't paying attention.
No, I understand he wanted to leave enough money to pay for Skyler, Walt Jr., and Holly's life going forward before he dies. This doesn't change the fact that based on the options he had at the time outside of literally turning to crime and selling meth the Grey Matter job still covered basically all bases outside of pulling generational wealth out of thin air. Realistically it was the best option he had at hand, he just decided to go the immoral route for quick cash to achieve his goals.
>if he took a pity position where he would hate every day, feeling like a failure
This wholly assumes that despite his hatred for the pity G&E give him he wouldn't be significantly happier actually making use of his talents, especially if he can make a contract securing what he does as his own work if he's that paranoid about G&E "stealing" his work. He despises his school job and seethes about it to the therapist when he fakes his fugue state. it's clearly eating him up inside that he can't do the work he did at Grey Matter and uses the meth cooking and recognition as a substitute for work he could do there.

>>215693233
>Realistically it was the best option he had at hand
But it literally wasn't since he had found out, through Jessie, that the purity of the meth he was able to make could be highly lucrative and sell. If only he is willing to do the dirty work to make and sell it. Quick cash IS WHAT HE NEEDED to achieve his goals, so to actually achieve them, he had to go down the immoral road. And he knew that, made his peace with it, hence why in season 2 when he gets the news the news the cancer has gone into remission he takes it so badly. Because he never expected just how long he would have to stay on that immoral road he had chosen.
An option that doesn't solve a problem isn't an option. If a fattie needs to get to the third floor and the elevator is out, if he can only make it up a few steps of the stairs, then the stair case isn't an option for getting him to the third floor. Him walking up a few steps, then collapsing and blocking the staircase for everyone else doesn't improve the situation or solve anything.

>he wouldn't be significantly happier actually making use of his talents
For fucks sakes dude. It was a pity job, he wouldn't actually be making use of his talents in it. It would be like one of the ways Japanese companies get around not being able to fire people, they just make it people's job description to sit in an empty room and do nothing until they quit. Now that's not claiming that would literally be what Walt would be doing, but that's what it would feel like it to him. There would be no job fulfillment for him, no actual challenge or excitement, it would be a pity position for him to die in.

>>215693192
>that job offer doesn't do anything at all to solve the problem Walt was trying to solve.
I get your point, and I'm saying that it would have at least addressed his issues even if not fully, and he still had Hank outright saying he would help them (Including financially) and G&E were also implying they'd help out at least someone due to their respect for Walt. There was a legal route out of this Walt refused to accept because it wouldn't give him enough of the money he wanted to leave his family and it would leave the money aspect to other people instead of him, something he makes very clear is unacceptable even down to the final episode. Walt's goals were generational wealth which simply wasn't possible without going an immoral and illegal route in the time he had left.
>I said it didn't do a good enough job at showing it to avoid the audience hitching themselves to the idea that he was always an ego maniac
I would say it did.
>Once he kills Emilio and Krazy-8 he starts throwing around killing people as an option far more often in discussions with Jesse.
>He takes great pleasure in his meth explosion plan and then pinning the school robbery on Hugo that he pretty much fingers his wife under the table.
>When he survives the encounter with Tuco at the deal he immediately tries having sex with Skyler because of how the entire situation turned him on that he succeeded and made so much money on top of it.
>Everyone keeps telling him how amazing Blue Sky is fueling him to do it more.
It is there, and it's every few episodes.
>so he pushes to finish off the barrel to cash out. To leave as much money as he possibly can for his family right before dying.
The thing is that the amount they made right then and there was double what he said he needed to make to be comfortable just a few weeks prior to Jesse. They didn't need to finish off the barrel, they still had half the thing left. At that point it was pure greed.

>>215689023
>bombed a nursing home
Yeah but only murderous gangsters died in that so it was actually one of the few good things Walt did.

>>215693338
> Walt's goals were generational wealth which simply wasn't possible without going an immoral and illegal route in the time he had left.
It became that after he realized it was possible, and that he would have a lot longer than he originally thought. It wasn't at the time Skylar betrayed Walt and talked about his cancer behind his back to Elliot, and Elliot made that piss poor pity offer that didn't do anything to solve the problem Walt was trying to solve. The timeline matters here. Grey Matter wasn't an option WHEN THE OFFER WAS MADE because it didn't do anything to solve the problem Walt was trying to solve.

>I would say it did.
And yet, you are in the wagon that Walt was an ego maniac from the start, and that things like Grey Matter proves it.

Those examples you list, those aren't examples of the corrupting influence of power and money, that's examples of the thrill of almost being caught, of near death experiences boosting sex drives.

>The thing is that the amount they made right then and there was double what he said he needed to make to be comfortable just a few weeks prior to Jesse. They didn't need to finish off the barrel, they still had half the thing left. At that point it was pure greed.
What good is half a barrel left if Walt became too sick to cook, to do anything? Because that's the news he is expecting to get when he is pushing for them to finish off the barrel.

>>215693327
>But it literally wasn't since he had found out, through Jessie, that the purity of the meth he was able to make could be highly lucrative and sell.
That's my whole point. Yes, his want for generational wealth in a few months was only possible by cooking meth, but he still could have covered most basis, retained his reputation, helped his family, and more all in one fell swoop. It wouldn't have been generational wealth but it would have been something that solved his issues just not to the extent he would have liked. In the early seasons he was also desperate not to be seen by his family as a failure. He was still holding onto how Skyler and Walt Jr. viewed him until around season 2 when the marriage is falling apart from Walt's lies and gaslighting. I don't think season 1 or 2 Walt would have accepted what season 5 Walt ended up becoming personally just from how careful he was trying to be in those seasons.
>An option that doesn't solve a problem isn't an option.
It does solve the problems, it just doesn't solve them to the degree Walt felt was what he wanted.
>Now that's not claiming that would literally be what Walt would be doing, but that's what it would feel like it to him. There would be no job fulfillment for him, no actual challenge or excitement, it would be a pity position for him to die in.
That's true, but at the end of the day we don't know what the actual position would have been. For Walt it would have been miserable just from the fact it was Grey Matter offering it to him and he'd hate it outright. Sure, they wouldn't place him on the major jobs but I also doubt they wouldn't put him to good use either considering the entire company only exists due to his knowledge. For all we know the projects he would work on in his limited time there, even if he hated it, would be able to secure his family some sort of recurring payments in perpetuity due to patents his family could hold or share in.

Tf is this thread lmao

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>>215693428
>Grey Matter wasn't an option WHEN THE OFFER WAS MADE because it didn't do anything to solve the problem Walt was trying to solve.
It doesn't solve Walt's immediate goal of quick cash but it solves Hank, Walt Jr., and Skyler's problems that he was also sympathetic to. Walt's #1 goal was the money for his family ASAP, but even at that time Skyler and Walt Jr. were pushing for him to get the treatment pretty heavily and Walt didn't have an actual system in place to get that money in those amounts yet, just Jesse's promise pretty much.
>you are in the wagon that Walt was an ego maniac from the start, and that things like Grey Matter proves it.
Because they do. I don't know why you're pretending like he wasn't an egomaniac or prideful from the start, he just wasn't to the extent he was in later seasons and internalized a lot of it or didn't act on it as deeply as he did. Walt in season 1 is not the same Walt as in season 2 and so on, but he still has some of the same mindset and views even in the early seasons. The main difference is that in the early seasons he's far more family-focused in his goals and is desperate to get that cash immediately in the time he has left whereas once he goes into remission and starts working with Gus it becomes far more about stroking his ego as Heisenberg because it's less of a pressing need and he's got money guaranteed.

A fairly easy example to point to is how he reacts to the Grey Matter offer and how he treats G&E at the party to when he actually meets Gretchen in season 2. He's pissed but he internalizes his anger towards them in season 1 while in season 2 he's far more vocal about the perceived injustices to Gretchen and is openly hostile towards them, blaming them for the predicament he's in while downplaying everything Gretchen says about why he left.
>of near death experiences boosting sex drives.
Walter gets actively turned on by the power he holds over strong people. It's a consistent theme.

>>215693464
>Yes, his want for generational wealth
That isn't present in season 1. You know, when the offer is made. This is pointless if you can't acknowledge that the Grey Matter off, when it was made, didn't do anything to solve the actual problem Walt was trying to solve.

>That's true, but at the end of the day we don't know what the actual position would have been. For Walt it would have been miserable just from the fact it was Grey Matter offering it to him and he'd hate it outright. Sure, they wouldn't place him on the major jobs but I also doubt they wouldn't put him to good use either considering the entire company only exists due to his knowledge. For all we know the projects he would work on in his limited time there, even if he hated it, would be able to secure his family some sort of recurring payments in perpetuity due to patents his family could hold or share in.

If Elliot or Gretchen thought he would be a big asset to Grey Matter, like Elliot tries to pretend when making the pity offer, then it sure is strange that in all the years Walt has been wasting away as a high school teacher, they never offered him a position, never came to him for help or advice. Not very good friends now are they, that they see their "friend" wasting away like he does, while their company turns them billionaires.
Your 'what if' might as well be "Why didn't Walt take one of those quick loan schemes that were so plentiful back then and buy lottery tickets with it?"

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>>215693639
>didn't do anything to solve the actual problem Walt was trying to solve.
But I've said multiple times it wouldn't have solved him leaving generational wealth to his kids, I've said he would have been able to contribute to it while also addressing the issues presented by his wife and son at that moment that he was mulling over as well. It doesn't address the major concern he has but it addresses things present at that moment.
>then it sure is strange that in all the years Walt has been wasting away as a high school teacher, they never offered him a position, never came to him for help or advice. Not very good friends now are they, that they see their "friend" wasting away like he does, while their company turns them billionaires.
The way Walt makes it sound is that they met a few times after the marriage out of courtesy but this is the first time in years they've been contacted by them. Skyler views it as a silver lining, Walt views it as a face-saving gesture.

You do have a point though, based on how they kept him at arm's length it likely would just be a way for him to make something until he dies, nothing crazy.

>>215693585
>Walter gets actively turned on by the power he holds over strong people. It's a consistent theme.
That's such a massive misreading of what was going on, goddamn.

>I don't know why you're pretending like he wasn't an egomaniac or prideful from the start.
Because if he was, he wouldn't be failing to stand up to Bogdan at the car wash, almost none of his reactions and choices in season 1 and 2 makes any goddamn sense, nor the situation he was in before the show even started. A character is allowed to have some ego, some pride, without being an ego maniac that only cares about themselves. Otherwise, Skylar, Hank, Marie, Gus, Jessie, Mike, pretty much every single character is jsut as much an ego maniac that Walt is supposed to be. And if all of them are, then why single Walt out on that front?

>>215690638
kek, it always cracked me up how he found a loophole in his own created justice philosophy

>>215688617
What did she die of?

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>>215688701
??

>>215693724
>Walt views it as a face-saving gesture.
And a betrayal by Skylar, who just couldn't help herself but go blab about his cancer to people they barely talk with, after he explicitly asked her not to. And that's just after she just did the same thing with her sister and brother-in-law, and staged an ambush intervention, where after she didn't get her way decided she was going to make his life even worse unless he gives in to her.

I'm glad we've found some middle ground, and perhaps I should make it clear that yes, Walt could have asked or begged Elliot to please offer to give money to his family, or start a fund to send his children to college when the time came, instead of walking out once the (from Walt's perspective) insulting pity offer was layered on top of the betrayal.
But to do that, he would have to be a man with no pride, ego or selfworth at all. His character would simply not be someone worth seeing a show about at all, but that does not make him an ego maniac to me when he doesn't grovel at Elliot's feet. It is reasonable for him to be upset there, and to walk out, upset at Skylar.

>>215688814
I haven't seen it since it was broadcast like 15 years ago. Genuinely can't remember. Just that she OD'ed while he was there and he didn't call for help.

>>215693743
>That's such a massive misreading of what was going on
You're looking at it from the lens of just the face value. Yeah, his near death experience with Tuco turned him on because of the adrenaline and all, I get it, but it's discounting that he's actively going into these situations from a position of power as well. When he blows up Tuco's building he's walking into it knowing he's got complete control. When he's letting Hugo take the fall for him and getting off scot free he's enjoying that he's got the eyes off of him. When he goes to sell the meth to Tuco at the junkyard he's worried but still projecting himself as some major kingpin worthy of Tuco's respect.

It can be both the face value and the aspect that he's enjoying it too. He's also going into all these situations not really caring if he lives or dies most of the time.
>A character is allowed to have some ego, some pride, without being an ego maniac that only cares about themselves.
Walt cares about his family but even from the start he's refusing the Grey Matter pity regardless of how his family feels about it, he's going around everyone's backs to make the money even though it's actively ruining their relationships and love for him because he feels he has to do it, he's consistently pissing off Skyler through his gaslighting or his secrecy, he does things like withhold telling Skyler about catching her smoking while pregnant until he starts losing an argument, he lies about the second cell phone and losing his cell phone to Skyler, and he's regularly insulting or acting superior to Jesse despite needing him to do basically anything he's doing.

No one's saying he's season 5 ego in season 1, just that he's far more egotistical than is reasonable at the time. You can have pride and an ego, no problem, Hank does for example, but the extent Walt shows it is more than normal.

>>215693886
>When he blows up Tuco's building he's walking into it knowing he's got complete control.
But Walt doesn't have control at all, it's a bluff he is making threatening to blow them all up. Almost all those "Wow, isn't Walt such a badass" moments aren't Walt in control, it's him bluffing desperately trying to get just some control.
The "Get out of my territoriality", the "What's my name", the "I am the one who knocks" and all the rest, they are all bluffs, him desperately trying to assert himself. He is on a wire, 500 feet above the ground and he just lost that long stick that's supposed help you balance in all those situations.

Walt is trying to keep the secret of him cooking meth from Skylar because he knew what her reaction would be if she found out before he had made enough money for her to see how it could solve the problem they faced. And he was right, she comes around only after she realizes just how much money he's made, and all the good things she could spend it on. That's not pride or ego or trying to piss Skylar off. It's literally what he HAS TO DO to accomplish his goal first leaving the family debt free and college tuition paid off, and later on building generational wealth.
The acting superior to Jessie is because to Walt, he's just a degenerate junkie he can use to accomplish his first and primary goal. It makes it easier being able to discard him if it becomes necessary, (which was the original outline for the story line according to Vince Gilligan, but they liked Aaron Paul's performance so much they kept him) but they eventually bond anyway, but are set in their dynamics with each other.

>but the extent Walt shows it is more than normal.
Not in the initial seasons. It's only when he gets to "I'm in the empire business" nonsense in season 5 he goes off the rails.

jane was dead the second she linked up with jesse. yes, walt could have saved her in that one moment. but if jane had any real intention of sticking with her sobriety, she wouldn't have even let jesse stay in that apartment to begin with. she 100% knew what his deal was.

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>>215694069
>But Walt doesn't have control at all, it's a bluff he is making threatening to blow them all up.
It's both. He's going in there to show not to mess with him and to get the money back.
>it's him bluffing desperately trying to get just some control.
Sure, but it's still him showing how he's the one in charge even though he is bluffing. He's throwing his weight around even though he doesn't really have that much leverage. He's also typically throwing around that he's the only one who knows the formula and that Jesse is the only one who can help him.
>she comes around only after she realizes just how much money he's made
Because he's pulled them in so deep they can't escape it. If she turns him in her family loses a father and his entire reputation is ruined, not to mention how it looks on them. As it is he had to imply that he was strongarming them in the phone call in season 5 to let her get that plea deal which BCS says she got. She may have rolled along with it but it's not like she wasn't pissed about it, especially since at that point he's starting to talk about people he's killed and gloats about Gus' death.
>That's not pride or ego or trying to piss Skylar off. It's literally what he HAS TO DO to accomplish his goal
Yes, the goal he is dead set on, but he doesn't have to do that to still leave money for them if he wants to, it's that he specifically is dead set on providing them money to pay for at least college on and then eventually generational wealth. He's setting goals he doesn't need to set and then breezes past them and keeps going.
>Not in the initial seasons.
Even in the initial seasons. Even ignoring the offer, the way he reacts to G&E is ridiculous because he's mad about something he himself did and lords it over them as if it's their fault. He pretty much ruins his entire relationship with Skyler over his constant lying or poorly bending the truth. He at least twice talks about how he shouldn't be teaching chemistry.

>>215690507
I hope if I am in a nursing home one day, there'll be a terrorist attack or SWAT thing going on for me to rubberneck. I'll be happily sitting in my chair dinging away at my bell as the firefight is going on.

People go way too hard on the women in BB bruh

>>215689023
Damn, that’s based

>>215688617
He sells addictive poision. You are missing the point. He bit back at life after pissing his life away trying to be the good guy,

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>>215689023
I hope someone blows me up if I end up in a nursing home

>>215689023
>walt rid the world of vile gangsters and made some old people sad :'(
Did. Nothing. Wrong.

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Jane only wanted Jessie for his money and drugs
FACT!