Did Star Wars being about politics actually bother you as a kid?
>>215693466No because it was abstract, it was referencing ideas and not specific persons or histories and also it has fucking awesome character and asset design
>>215693466 Why would that bother me, It's about a galactic empire, republics, rebels and war, how can you make a story like that non-political?
>>215693466watch the RLM reviews
No because this >>215693492 , the political talk was just blabbering.What bothers me is that there are no political consequences to the universe, I believe RLM mentioned this. There are cars flying around, slavery, megacities, palaces, slums, it doesn't matter who is in power and at what point of the story you are talking about, so who would give a shit?
>>215693607>What bothers me is that there are no political consequences to the universe, I believe RLM mentioned this. There are cars flying around, slavery, megacities, palaces, slums, it doesn't matter who is in power and at what point of the story you are talking about, so who would give a shit?Just like in real life
>>215693466No, even as a child I was aware of what was happening in the news and was taught about WWII and the Roman Republic in school. I thought "it's like real life, it's so realistic."
>>215693492Yeah I had zero idea what was happening outside of there being a royal family and a large gathering of representatives. It didn't matter because robots are evil and you must kill them and the ugly guys that own them.
>>215693634Congrats anon you got the job, report to Netflix hq tomorrow morning and start pumping out the smug neolib scripts
>>215693669Can I make C3P0 black?
No I was the target demographic at the time and that shit was fucking awesome. Great time to be a Star Wars kid really and I'm tired of everyone pretending it wasn't.
>>215693700>Great time to be a Star Wars kidBased and real
Yes it was very boring and i do not care for star wars because of it
>>215693685No but you can make him grape flavored
>>215694038Alright yeah that works for me
>>215693466Keira is too cute!
>>215693466Bored the fuck out of me then and still does now. See, I was a smart kid who could tell my time was being wasted.
>>215694173So, what kind of interests did you have that you didn't feel like you were wasting time?
>>215693466deadass as a kid i didn't know she was Padme, i thought she was a different character.
Phantom Menance? NoAttack of the Clones was boring as shit as a child seeing it in theaters though
>>215693466No. The dissolution of the Senate and mention of regional governors was just background exposited by Tarkin.
>>215693466The politics are fine in Episode 1, they become boring and dumb in 2 and 3. George wanted to do the Weimar Republic "electing a tyrant" thing and didn't have any other ideas.
>>215693466I didn't watch any of the Star Wars movies until I was over the age of 25. I can't stand the prequels, the original trilogy has amazing effects, and that's about all I can say is good about it. The sequel trilogy is as everyone already knows it to be, it's the only one of these series that won't be looked at fondly, I think.
>>215693466I assumed it was one of those adult parts I wasn't meant to understand still, like most dialogues in Indians jones movies, and was just waiting for the lightsabers and/or jar jar to come backGrowing up my I realised that it was actually boring even for a teen and then a adult and that phantom menace simply has sleepy aah pacing
>>215693466Yes actually even in 1999 my 9 year old self clearly detected commentary against Republicans which annoyed me as a young Fox News house occupant
Something that annoys me about nitwits like Lucas is that they never show news and entertainment media as intimately entwined with democracy, especially democracy in an age of mass media. They want to show democracies being collapsed without showing what people are being told to think.
>>215693466No. Not at all.
No, because even as a kid, I knew that's how wars start.
>>215693466The original trilogy had a more mythological foundation and was about basic fundamental moral ideas and the Cambbellian monomyth. Sure the Empire were dressed as space nazis but this wasn't really a very nuanced depiction and essentially just was meant to signal they were a bad empire and authoritarians the Heroes were fightingIt wasn't until the sequels when it got more into boring stuff about trade deals and the senate, but even then that was more tedious side details which I suppose was necessary to show how the previous social order fell apart, but that part's never going to speak to kids
No, there were enough action set pieces in it for me not to notice
>>215695005*Campbellian
>>215693466Not at all and I'm glad George helped many children realize politicians are scum.
Yeah, it was stupid and hard to follow. The Trade Federation were the bad guys and in monochrome, but they weren't the empire. The republic was the empire and they were the good guys, but the Jedi were also the good guys and different than the republic, but the bad guys were also the sith who were also the republic and then the empire. Yeah, as a kid this was stupid. I wanted a simple hero's journey with space magic.
>>215694242Gooning to JAV
>>215693492It's a kid's movie
>>215695005No it didnt. It was about Vietnam. You guys just hate 2000s politics more than you do retro politics
>>215693466I didn't really understand the whole political part. I understood that Palpatine is evil and playing the others, and I understood that Valorum is incompetent and possibly malicious, but whenever they've talked about politics, I mostly checked out.I also liked Jar Jar, but I've watched the movie dubbed.
>>215695529>I am incapable of thinking about art without inserting politics into itWew ladIt was just the hero's journey. Relax.
>>215695063>…and they are not to be trustedAnakin failed to listen to his wise master
>>215695529Lol at Star Wars being "about" VietnamNo. Lucas was really into Joseph Campbell and wanted to make a new cosmic mythology, like a Lord of the Rings
>>215693466It wasn't that complicated and not that much time was spent on it in episode 1 anyway. There was always an action scene a few minutes away.The slowest part is on tatooine before the pod race.
>>215693466The only people who cared about politics in the Prequels were faggot Gen Xrs like >>215693568 who were somehow too stupid to follow the specifics of a movie made for children. No kids at the time had a problem with it.
>>215693607That's a retarded criticism. The Star Wars are a Skywalker saga and the drama comes from those characters and those around them. I'm not surprised to hear it comes from that fat retard Mike Plinkett, or whatever his name is. You might as well say Shakespeare is badly written because there are usually cardboard tress in the background. It also ignores the the fact there are zero battles on the surface of Coruscant other than inside one temple on a planet of like 10 trillion people with its entire surface covered in city.
>>215695679>and not that much time was spent on it in episode 1 anywayThat was part of the problem. It's a kid's movie, and they just assumed the viewers knew the nature of international trade disputes. But also that they would like a goofy rabbit lizard that steps in doo doo.
>>215695687>No kids at the time had a problem with itI was 10 when phantom menace was released. The politics were specifically what bothered me about the movie.
>>215693466>Did Star Wars being about politicsIt was about a fantasy universe with space magic you fucking retard. The tiny narrow window your over socialised radicalised /pol/ brain has given you on reality barely let's a crack of light in does it. What the fuck do you know or your ilk know about politics anyway? Have you read platos republic, aristoitles politics, locke, rousseau, voltaire, paine,burke, mill, hume, smith, hobbs or anything other that stupid fucking infographics, grifting youtube crap and the kremlin spam on /pol/? I call you a vegtable but vegtables at least have a use. You're a low IQ undereducated chimp thoughts are of less use than a piece of shit stained tissue in a toilet bowl.
>>215695609Themed visually and thematically around cold war conflicts
>>215695851Oh for fuck sake get off the internet and read fucking book you spastics.
>>215693466No, never. Politics has always been a part of the Star Wars franchise since the original Star Wars film from 1977. The original Star Wars film from 1977 mentions the words 'republic', 'empire' and 'rebellion'. Republics, empires and rebellions are political concepts. Star Wars has always been a story about two conflicts existing simultaneously, a political conflict between liberty (represented by an idealised version of the Galactic Republic) and tyranny (represented by the Galactic Empire) and a greater spiritual conflict between the Light Side of the Force (represented by the Jedi) and the Dark Side of the Force (represented by the Sith), with some overlap between the two conflicts.
>>215695851>Destroying a super weapon that can destroy an entire planet>Constant battles and conflicts>Crippling the galactic empire of evil by cutting off its head>Cold warmfw
>>215693466No, I just knew they had to save the princess
>>215696029This princess don't need no man
>>215695666>george: the rebels are the vietcong and the empire is america>pretentious faggot: no, i know better than him what he wanted to say
>>215693466As a kid? No. As an adult? Yes. That's why Rise is the best one. No political bullshit, just pure star wars fun.
>>215693466>politicsWhy do people call this politics? It is one of the most barebones, effective ways to showcase how power can be subverted by shadowy figure. Where exactly is this pointless politicking?
>>215696127Yes. That's what art is and does. Once it's made, it no longer belongs to the artist but to humanity. Stoker, for instance, never wanted Dracula associated with venerial disease and yet it is.
>>215693607>political talk was just blabbering.What do you mean? Every political part regarded plot in the most blunt way possible, either conveying what is happening or will happen.
>>215693607>no political consequences to the universeAre you fucking blind bro.>RLM mentioned thisRLM are peak dimwit Disney dicksuckers who clapped like seals when JJ Abrams showed up.
>tfw grew up reading RPG sourcebooks for games i never playedthe prequels were a dream come true. lots of bullshit though, like Naboo wasn't a monarchy. Padme was elected to serve her term as queen (lol wut)
No, I had no idea what they were saying, and I ignored it and focused on the cool sets and aliens.
>>215693568>watch the RLM reviews>Kenobi is fun>Acolyte is fine>Tron Ares is goodGee thanks mr. Disney Marketer.
>>215696353except you're not talking about what the art "is associated with" by the audience, you're talking about "what george lucas wanted." george lucas is the authority on what he wanted, not you.
>>215693466no, ep1 is my favorite star wars to this day
>>215693607Plinkett's specific criticism was that there seemed to be no consequences for the average Joe Schmoe who's driving to work, not that there are no consequences for the galaxy at all. But this can only really be applied to Coruscant. We see Naboo invaded with immediate and serious consequences for the Gungans and for the humans who live in the capital (I forget what it's called). Tatooine is riddled with crime and slavery because the Republic and Jedi don't extend their protection to Outer Rim worlds, which is clearly a political problem and one that affects everyone living there. And it's not really true to say that nothing happens for the average person on Coruscant, since RotS opens with a huge space battle taking place above Coruscant, and a flagship crashes into the planet's surface. We can infer that this caused some problems for the locals. Of course, Mike wants a scene where a character representing the Average Joe walks by and says, "That ship crushed the premises of my small family business and I am personally affected by this," because Mike is a fucking autist.
>>215696353>Dracula associated with venerial disease
>>215693466It was about in-universe politics. It wasn't about gay marriage or transgender weirdos or illegal immigration or anything like that. There were some not so subtle nods to the Iraq war in Revenge of the Sith that felt intrusive but that was basically the one exception that proves the rule, and it was not enough to ruin the movie for my teenage self. The reference to George W. Bush in the Matrix Reloaded was far, far more egregious, but that movie was kind of shit anyway.Also fuck you to all the morons who said that the Matrix sequels were good and shat on the Star Wars prequels. History was not kind to you.
>>215696454Nice job restating my point while simultaneously missing it entirely>>215696768Yes>Man goes abroad for work>Gets penetrated and sucked by older man>Comes home with the monster>Monster proceeds to penetrate and suck his family, killing them
>>215693466Yeah, I used to rewatch Episode I a ton back in the day, and by that I mean watching the first half hour then skipping the boring middle until I got to the epic battle scene at the end.
>>215693466I was a teenager and no, not at all. And it is not really complicated politics either, I found all possible historical influences interesting as a cinematic short hand.I was more bothered by that 1 hour long pod race.
>>215693466i just wanted to fuck nat and keira
>>215694517It's 2.5 movies. 1 is the romance of Padme and Anakin and it is horrible and boring. 1 is Obi Wan in a noir detective story investigating the clone army. And it is bookended by action scenes. Cut down the romance scenes and make the parts in the clone factory a bit more suspenseful or thrillery and you have a good movie.
>>215694608>the original trilogy has amazing effectsThat's why George went back to insert some shit ones!
>>215696950>Nice job restating my point while simultaneously missing it entirelyi didn't miss anything. you simply moved the goalposts from "what george lucas wanted" to "how the audience interprets it" because you realized you were factually wrong about the former. don't be such a dishonest rat.
>>215696057she cute
>>215697085I'm too old for this shit because action scenes were the most boring part for me. Yeah, romance was awful, but at least music and visuals were good. The only action scene I enjoyed was the big battle between droids and clones at the end. Also I never noticed it before, but the kid playing Boba Fett was absolutely terrible.
>>215697107I didn't move anything. I told you in my thesis that art does not belong to the artist. Neither does interpretation. Get rekt faggot.
>>215695161*nods respectfully*
Half of the movie should be The Searchers remake but on Tatooine. This part is way too short and it's the best part of the movie. I was really disappointed when it cut to Obi Wan on Geonosis.
>>215697179>but at least music and visuals were good.The visuals in Clones were subpar for the time. Compared to what LOTR was doing, and compared to what Lucas had already done with CGI in The Phantom Menace, Clones looked a bit shoddy. The best visuals in the film are in the speeder chase and in certain scenes on Tatooine, scenes notably taking place at night or dusk. When we get to Geonosis, Lucas deploys his CGI characters in broad daylight and the results are often bad. Real actors share the screen with CGI and clash with it, providing comical material for those webms that often get posted here. The lightsaber duel with Dooku doesn't look right to me either – I suppose it's the greenscreen backdrop. Thankfully Revenge of the Sith looked a lot better.
>>215693466I just zoned out when something was happening that was uninteresting or too difficult to understand, movies as a kid had a lot of stuff I daydreamed my way through.
>>215697693>Compared to what LOTR was doing
>>215697907yeah? they shy away from it a bit in the documentaries, but the battles were made using:https://www.massivesoftware.com/they just had extras in costumes, too.for the actual CGI, Star Wars was better. sorry to say.
No, I was nine and thought it was the coolest shit ever
it was babble to me but I still hated jar jar. george has a goofy sense of humor
>>215693568>>215695687>>215696434
>>215693634Where's my flying car, smart guy?
>>215693607Coruscant does fine, plenty of places in wars do. you don't NEED to show traffic disappearing or people begging for food. Coruscant is just where the Jedi and the Senate are, and they DO change (obviously).in the Yuuzhan Vong stories when they took over Coruscant, i had the opposite problem. why should i care about Coruscant? why should i care about any of this?
It wasn't really interesting enough for me as a kid and not anywhere interesting as a teenager. I think the inclusion of the politics behind good and bad are not anywhere near nuanced enough to be satisfying for anyone over 10 and not interesting enough for anyone under 10. Mainly because up until Episode 3 they mostly include characters kids aren't attached to. So you just get another Padme scene and droning on and on about executive decisions by people in rubber suits as Padme looks worried. It was very uninteresting and I just wanted to go back to Obi-Wan or Anakin.
>>215693466I just droned that shit out and then clapped and shat my pants at yoda doing front flips with a lightsaber while attacking an old man
>>215693466>as a kid>no one is contesting they were kids when they watched it>no one willing to admit kid nostalgia is why they like itthis is why we can't have nice things and instead have infinite disney horseshit. because of all of (You)
>>215698897>this fucking image again>having to gas up lucasfilms' technical achievements (taping fancy models to a stick and fixing it in front of a camera) to make him sound awesome compared to the most degenerate slug of a human known as Mikeshiggy
>>215700025>shiggyNow that's something I've not heard in a long time... a long time
>>215700044i'm a real live true old as fuck oldfag in the flesh. recontextualizing star wars historically is only the latest in the last ten years wave of "actually think that was universally panned for being shit was kinda good to me as a five year old, and I haven't mentally developed since then so it's still good!"
>>215699867>Mainly because up until Episode 3 they mostly include characters kids aren't attached to.Maybe that's why George put Jar Jar in the Senate in Episode II. It's funny that an actor like Ian McDiarmid had to do scenes with Jar Jar Binks.
>>215693466When I was a little retard SW politics made me feel smart and made things seem even more important.
>>215693634Do they want the sith to have some pol pot anarcho primitivist year zero plan?
>>215693466I ignored the political parts and watched it for the Jedi and the force. This also applies to the orginal trilogy.
>>215696981Have to agree about the pod race. It dragged. The whole point is that Anakin is strong with the force. We get it. Move on.
>>215693466No, even as a kid I liked that there wasn’t always a massive war going on all the time like in the OT and that trade disputes like the boring stuff on the news that my parents watched were also a part of Star Wars.
