>*Derails your multi billion dollar franchise forever*
You could have posted the weird orange alien, or the feminist kamikaze, or jigaboo finBut Snoke? Least of their problems
You can't just have Darth Vader and the old decrepit Emperor all over again. Didn't they defeat the Sith with their 2 man system in Return of the Jedi or something?
Admiral Gender Studies ordered the bombers to call off their run in spite of the fact they were so slow they could never realistically make it back to their carrier. Poe did the right thing and completed the bombing run and the movie treats him like the one in the wrong. I almost walked out of the movie right then and there but I was with people and didn't want to make a scene.
>introduce cool new villain>kill him>bring back one of the classic onesSo what did you guys think of Spider Man: No Way Home?
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>>215989115What's the point of this guy again?
>>215989446No point at all, he was a JJ mystery box style plot element.
>>215989446>everything needs a pointBrain dead Americlap detected
>>215989516What's the point of this post again?
>>215989432matt fury is uglee and i will never admired any creation of that frog-eyed spazz
>>215989341He looks like a caricature
>>215989115What I don't understand is WHY didn't they hire a "showrunner" of sorts to write out the entire trilogy so it would have a coherent and good story? Why did they just fly by the seat of their pants on this? Did they watch the original trilogy - the best trilogy of all time has the barest bones story. It's not exactly a high bar to surpass.How the hell did a multi-billion dollar company fumble this hard?
>>215989627Females in leadership roles.
>>215989115Cx
>>215989516>Chekovs angry ghost rises once more.
At the high level:>okay we just spent billions to buy star wars, the most well-known and profitable franchise in history, so widely known that there are tribes in the amazon that haven't learned to write yet wearing star wars t-shirts>we want to make a trilogy, should we plan it out?>nah just give it to some random directors and leave it completely up to themAt the low level, kathleen kennedy sitting down for lunch with rian johnson, and him spinning her a tale of total lies about his grand plans for the franchise, doomed the trilogy beyond all repair
he should have been this kid. would explain why he has these scars.
>>215989627They had a complete outline, but Carrie Fisher died.
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>>215989741Being a failed clone of the Palpster would have worked fine, so long as the original Sheev was still dead. The First Order also never should have been so powerful. It should have been a distant threat to the New Republic, harassing and conquering all the systems/planets that refused to join the Republic after the Empire's collapse.
Disney had to cut him off because he looked too much like Joe Biden
>>215989919This. The studio's hamfisted mandate that the good guys are the underdogs makes no logical sense in the New Republic era. It could have been actually interesting if the first order were the guerrilla force.
>>215989410At least they redeemed one of the spidermans.Thats the best I can say about that.on the other hand Baby Face Rian ruined luke skywalker forever.
Goldmember-looking ass
>Supreme Leader Goldmember pulls out his Golden Lightsaber, named "Shower"
>>215989446He's the Big Bad.
>>215989627Arrogance can make people do stupid things I suppose.
>Takes a big shit on your toy commercial franchise for babiesIncredibly based. Starshitters are the most insufferable bunch of faggots imaginable, so they deserved what they got.
>>215989115Is it true that JJ Abrams forgot who Snoke was supposed to be, so they just ended up saying that he was a Palpatine clone?
It's insane how Guardians of the Galaxy, just the first movie is a better scifi than all the Disney SW movies.
>>215990455No the new director fucked it up and JJ Abrams just gave up at shitshow he had to salvage.
Somehow
>>215989981>it makes no sense that the Democrats, after successfully fighting off a coup by Trump and his deranged followers, would take no action against Fox News propaganda radicalizing the right engendering an even more powerful second Rise of Trump, and it makes no sense that they would just cede control back to him when there are 10,000 examples of his fundamentally fascist POV from his previous term only 4 years gone, and then it makes no sense that when he immediately starts to implement his fascist policies in his second term the Democratic leadership would show no balls whatsoever in putting up an actual fight but just speak empty words that nobody in physical power gives two shits about as a $70 billion army to be under the sole control of Trump is raised using taxpayer funds to be unleashed upon the populace.Liberalism is a fundamentally weak political philosophy. You cannot exert powerful fascist control in the name of antifascism without becoming to some degree that which you hate.The New Republic being a bunch of weak-willed pansies is in keeping with the depiction of the Light Side in the OT. Note that Obi Wan tries to get out of joining the fight because he's "too old." Yoda is sitting in a swamp doing nothing and says the Force is never to be used for attack. Luke wants to forgive Vader because he feels he "still has some good in him" and Leia just says, "You go get him, tiger!"~30 years post-Empire is a little short, but note that the rise of right-wing talk in the US started in the 90's, which is only 45 years after the example of Nazi propaganda from WW2. So it obviously doesn't take long to forget somebody else's example.It is within the realm of conceivable realism that only the "left-wing Antifa terrorists" would put up an actual fight.The People's Republic of China would've put the First Order into reeducation camps. The Democrats do not see themselves as the PRC.
>Admiral Planned Parenthood kills herself by ramming herself into the fleet>Everyone says it is heroic>Finn tries to do the same thing by ramming the laser that blasts the gate 5 minutes later>"We don't win by killing what he hate"This film filtered me.
>>215989341Snoke encapsulates all the problems of both TFA and TLJ.In the former, he’s a lazy, referential caricature that adds absolutely nothing of substance.In the latter, he doubles down on all the worst parts of his previous appearance and only serves as a reminder of how utterly pointless it all is when he gets subverted.com.The other points you raised are also fucking stupid and probably worse writing, don’t get me wrong.
>>215989627The best trilogy of all time is the lord of the rings. And it’s hardly bare bones.
>>215990945This is only true because Johnson subverted the expectation. If he had a proper role in the trilogy and basically did everything palpatine did it would have been perfectly serviceable
>>215989115The Last Jedi was better than The Force Awakens.
>>215990872High effort b8
>>215989115So this was just a body controlled by Sheev?
>>215989627>>215989844The real answer is Kathleen Kennedy saw the OT had three different directors and one Executive Producer (aka Lucas and her). She tried to retardedly recreate the same formula. What she didn't realize is Lucas actually wrote a framework of the story for the OT. She didnt for the ST because she doesn't give a fuck about Star Wars. What makes this retardation even more egregious is Kevin Feige next door at Marvel is famous for steering the general direction of the MCU.
>>215991021Low effort b8
>>215989596Which would have been good if the audience had the slimmest idea of who the fuck he was supposed to be.
>>215989645weird how we can trace the decline of all forms of entertainment to the rise of this in the past twenty years
>>215989115>RIGHT IN THE INFINITY STONES!
>>215989115literally who?
>>215989115>>215989432>>215989627
>>215992641>how dare you JJ Abrams?!
>>215989446to have no point
>>215992641that doesn't mean it has to suck. Hollywood used to be able to make kid-friendly all ages films. Make a movie everyone enjoys, everyone spends money on it
>>215992641It was actually intended for feminists and adult retards, since no actual children have cared about SW since at least 2006.
>>215989115I distinctly remember wanting to walk out during the camel chase scene it was so bad but stayed out of a sense of loyalty to the franchise. Like at the time the concept of walking out of a Star wars movie was unthinkable. Completely beyond the pale and sacrilegious. Oh how times have changed.
>>215989115I cant even remember any of the casts names.
>>215989446To be Palpatine 2
>>215991013Even in TFA he was a vapid retread and made no sense. Sure, JJ was very careful to show fuck all of substance, so we never knew if he actually was Palpatine mk2 or if he was just some loser pretender, but he sure as fuck made a lot of implications.The only way to salvage the ST would have been to throw all the mystery boxes in the bin and create a duology using some of the same names
>>215989844I thought JJ said they didn't have a plan
>>215992746you don't remember carrie fisher, mark hamill, indiana jones?
>>215992641makes sense that children don't care about it then, right?
>>215989115I've looked up who he is multiple times and my brain immediately rejects the information and i completely forget his supposed official backstory. Does this happen to anybody else?
>>215991063It's actually even more retarded than thatThey simply assumed that if they threw enough money at it, everything would fall into place due to the popularity of the franchiseWorse, they went into it thinking it was a sci-fi franchise and hired directors from that background, not realising that Star Wars is fairytale fantasy first and foremostThey should have kept Lucas on board instead of telling him to fuck off, but Bob Iger isn't the brighest spark
>>215989627>How the hell did a multi-billion dollar company fumble this hard?It's simple, really.Hubris.After the success of the early MCU period + the acquisition of Lucasfilm in the same year the first Avengers grossed over a billion dollars, Disney thought they could capitalize on brand name alone and become untouchable forever. TFA's $2B box office went to their heads as well. That being said...>put a staunch feminist in charge>don't plan out the rest of the trilogy in advance>hire several activists, woke idealogues, and liberal arts grads who never gave a shit about Star Wars to begin with>throw out Lucas' + Michael Ardnt's treatments for the new trilogy>scrap Trevarrow's plans for the conclusion>hire two terminal hacks (one a jewish nepobaby obsessed with Mystery Box slop, the other a literal fart-sniffing manchild who thinks he's too clever for the audience) to direct the rest of them without working together>fire the director of the third film due to "creative differences" + bring back the director of the first one as a hail mary>second film is so bad due to 90% of the script being based on the first draft, it retroactively makes the prior movie worse + catastrophically divides the fanbase to the point of severe apathy for the entire franchise in retrospect + significantly plummets all merchandise sales going forward + media starts gaslighting detractors as "Russian Bots" and "Trump voters">Solo bombs because of TLJ's general negativity, cancelling future Star Wars spin-off movies for several years before Mando and Grogu movie>Galaxy's Edge in has low attendance numbers>Starcruiser hotel cost $6k/2 nights>Gen Z + Alpha have little-to-no interest in anything Star Wars in current year (even the Fortnite Star Wars event for 2025 drew fewer player counts)The only successful products to come out were the Jedi Survivor games + Star Wars Visions. Even Mandalorian was initially successful until Season 3 shat the bed and crashed in ratings.
>>215992641I loved how this was used against him
>>215989115Wrong image bro.
>>215992949>prequels being taller than OTkek
>>215992949“Star Wars is fantasy” is prequelfag cope because of how absolutely nothing in the prequels made any sense at any point from any perspective.
>>215992980>Star Wars VisionsOnly the first season made by japs, the seconde one was shit
>>215989115>>*Derails your multi billion dollar franchise forever*You think killing that shitty Palpatine knock-off is what derailed the franchise? That if Snoke had lived, the sequel trilogy would've somehow been fine? lmaoPic related is what derailed the franchse beyond repair. Stranding Luke on this shithole island completely broke the character. He's no longer the heroic Jedi knight, he's just a fat faggot who ran away to hide in shame after Kylo went full columbine on his jedi academy. That's just not who Luke was. Ever. What JJ and Kathleen did to this character is unforgivable.
TLJ is the only watchable film in the sequel trilogy.
>>215993289It would have pissed off millions of manchildren, but they should have ended TFA with Rey entering hyperspace and not shown Luke until TLJ. The cliffhanger fucked up so much.
Hey we've got ONE chance to reunite Luke Han & Leia on the big screen what should we do?Jew Jew - NothingKathleen Kennedy - I LIKE IT!
>>215993270>the seconde one was shitWhich caused the third season to get produced by Japs again.
>>215993267>ruined Star Wars>Star Trek Kelvin Timeline decanonizedkek
>>215993385>Which caused the third season to get produced by Japs again...there's a third one?I barely hear anyone talking about it.
>>215989627For Disney, the sequel trilogy was a product to sell a product (the toys). Worked before in the past with shows like Transformers.
>>215989627>What I don't understand is WHY didn't they hire a "showrunner" of sorts to write out the entire trilogy so it would have a coherent and good story? Why did they just fly by the seat of their pants on this?Kathleen Kennedy fires anyone for "creative differences," so this franchise had no longevity under her bullshit.
Ryan did them a favor. True evil was and is JJ Abrams. Ryan tried to change things and failed. Abrams is just Hollywood industry machinery without mercy.
>>215993245You are clinically retarded, sorry
>>215989115It was derailed earlier than this scene.>>215993087This.
>>215993041link to this exchange?
JJ Abrams made TFA and got away with it. He might have gotten away with the whole trilogy being a creative vacuum, if that Lost Hobbit Ryan didnt come by and wreck everything, God bless him.
>>215992782>JJ saidHe's the absolute last person you should be taking at their word unless he's talking about his love of mystery boxes. He only said that after the TLJ backlash. They butchered Lucas' plan, hid it all in mystery boxes, and then tried to hold it all until movie 9. And they would've gotten away with it had TLJ not been as bad as it was or as widely criticized as it was. JJ was an executive producer on that movie, anything Rian was doing he already knew about. Him, KK, Iger, etc. all knew about it because of how important it was for them that Star Wars be successful. You can see it all over press release interview shit around the time of TFA and pre-TLJ seethe. They knew exactly what they were doing, tried to lie about it, only for unforeseen circumstances to make it impossible to keep the con going.
She could have saved Star Wars. But Disney hates pure heterosexual love that grows into happy marriage and multiple white children.
>>215989115Decanoizing EU probably did more to derail the Star Wars franchise than anything else.Even if you don't like EU, it objectively caused a catastrophic split in the fandom that it's never going to recover from. Even if the IP was bought off by another company and they re-canonized it (while presumably decanonizing Disney Star Wars projects), you would still get people seeing it as cheap nostalgia baiting.I would argue that the Sequels were basically doomed from the beginning because the hole they had to fill was simply too big.
>>215993666>They butchered Lucas' planTell how a movie about microscopic force people would've been better in any way. I'll wait.
>>215993700>Decanonizing EUAh yes that's why Disney is desperately pushing Thrawn who is literally an Extended Universe character.
>>215993245>absolutely nothing in the prequels made any sense at any point from any perspectiveThe only thing that's incongruous between the OT and prequels is Leia having memories of her mom.
>>215993767What can they do with him anyway? They can't really adapt the Thrawn Trilogy despite being the absolute best there is. They would have to admit Mara Jade exists. She is vital to the plot.
>>215993666>They butchered Lucas' planTo be fair, Lucas' plan for the Sequels was also pretty bad ("we're bringing back Darth Maul as a crime lord lmao").Honestly, any Star Wars sequel trilogy should have been required to be set at least 500-1000 years after the events of the Original and Prequel trilogies and that would have given them a mostly clean slate to work with.
>>215993854He hasn't heard the leaks!
>>215993756It would've been better because now you can do classic JRPG kino about what destiny is, what it means to defy it, if the "world" will be better off without the invisible guiding hand of God, etc. I'd take that any day instead of a gayer, lamer plagiarized repeat of the OT with even less of a point besides humiliating a generation of heroes.
>>215993901Why do you torment me with things that will never be, anon.
>>215993901Even if that leak is true, it's too late to even do anything good with her since we already know how this has to end.
>>215993379I would much rather have seen Hayden Christensen, Natalie Portman, Mark Hamill, and Carrie Fisher on screen together but that's just me.
>>215993892>To be fair, Lucas' plan for the Sequels was also pretty bad ("we're bringing back Darth Maul as a crime lord lmao").That is by far the least retarded major plot point Lucas wrote. lmao TEH WHILLS
>>215989115Rian literally fixed 75% of JJ’s gay mistakes, they should’ve let him finish the job. JPRK2
>>215989627The same hubris that led Firaxis to do away with every core gameplay mechanic in 6 previous Civilization games to do something 'new' (e.g. ape off of fucking Humankind), which sucks and everyone knew and said it was going to suck, but still double down and do it anyway. Same exact thought process: "we're smarter (and better!) than the people who came before us and succeeded." Fuck them, fuck them all. In a sane world these people would be fucking publicly executed.
>>215993675>Shitty Jedi anyway>lol got rekt by a Solo>Oh wait, I trained her>Poor student I guess
>>215993245I’m sorry, dod you somehow miss George repeatedly stating for decades that the OT is based on the monomyth, which is itself based on irl mythological/ heroic epics? As in, the shit the fantasy genre is a direct extension of?Let’s go even more simple than that. What is the OT actually about? It’s about a young farm boy becoming a warrior-monk with magical abilities who gets inducted into the ranks of an ancient religious order, who solicits him to defeat an evil warlord in black armor. Does that sound like the standard premise for a scifi story or a fantasy one?
>>215993782>The only thing that's incongruous between the OT and prequels is Leia having memories of her mom.Not really, Leia was strong in the Force, it could easily be explained away as her being "imprinted" with some sort of image Padme (very beautiful... but very sad) in the few brief moments they spent together. Luke might've blocked such memories out as a coping mechanism.Personally I think the biggest incongruence was not giving Anakin and Owen Lars any sort of actual relationship. Like, if Owen had once been a slave like Anakin and they were very close (brothers in spirit, if not by blood), then it would have made sense why Obi-Wan decided to leave Luke in his care.Come to think of it, it's kinda confusing how Obi-Wan even knew of Owen's existence, seeing as he spent the entirety of the Tatooine sequence of Episode I on Padme's ship and never even set foot there in Episode II.
>>215994164>Come to think of it, it's kinda confusing how Obi-Wan even knew of Owen's existence, seeing as he spent the entirety of the Tatooine sequence of Episode I on Padme's ship and never even set foot there in Episode III believe it's entirely possible Anakin could've talked to Obi-wan about why he went to Tatooine and what went on there, but you're right as far as the movies go it is strange.
>killing your big bad with no buildup or stakes, in the middle movie of the trilogydid any of these people read a how to make a story 101 book?
>>215994225>I believe it's entirely possible Anakin could've talked to Obi-wan about why he went to Tatooine and what went on there, but you're right as far as the movies go it is strange.Yeah, I figured that's the in-universe explanation, but if the movies are your only frame of reference, it would be incredibly confusing since such a conversation is never-once referenced in Revenge of the Sith. Even a single throwaway line (ex. "It's not the first time you've given in your anger Anakin, remember what you told me about the Sand People?") would have put Obi-Wan's decision in much better context.
>>215992641It IS at its core a franchise about space wizards (and specifically a space family).It ISN'T a franchise about children (especially if you consider vidya and other media). At worst, it's about teenagers. Hell, even Filoniwars: The Show wasn't "just a kids show".https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bX8iN6T_M_A
>>215994345I powered through all 7 seasons of Filoniwars and some questionable plotlines and filler aside, I thought it was good.
>>215989645fpbp /threadseriously, close it up
>>215994290My theory is they were going to have a twist in 9 where he came back and was revealed to be Plagueis. JJ seemed to want that and likely mystery box'd it, but the plans fell through.https://youtu.be/gvg9d7_rp1k?si=6fk3FKrdexfDdyTC
>>215990872Lmao
>>215992775He was one of the few things in TFA that wasnt a retread.
Here's how the entire process went since this is all getting muddled up :>Lucas is savaged for years because the prequels are perceived to be a tonal mismatch with the OT>RLM and similar nerd-approved grifters keep ridiculing Lucas and pointing out goofy shit >Lucas folds and gives the rights to SW to Disney>this was at the time applauded since Disney, despite being a shitty corpo overall, was still considered to know a thing or two about making money>JJ is given the reigns, who was at the time in good standing with the nerd culture and the normies>TFA comes out and it leans heavily into OT wanking>enough fanservice was provided so that the audience things that the whole thing is in safe hands despite TFA feeling extremely derivative and "safe">basically TFA is given a pass since it was supposed to be a palate cleanser and a fresh start so expectations that it's not going to be goofy shit again (like the PT) were met>Rian is given the reigns for the sequel>absolute tonal and narrative mess>speedrunning of ESB and RotJ in one movie which makes zero sense>a plethora of bizarre narrative decisions and character turns>all the capital from TFA wasted and redirected into garbage decisions>the entire thing feels like a sabotage of the entire franchise>it is now clear that noone is at the helm, they're just ad hoc writing whatever they think the fandom wants>the entire writing process is "oh people liked the twist in ESB, so we'll make everything be a twist ha HA">in hindsight it made TFA also now feel pointless, since the buildup leads to garbage>panic and bring back JJ to salvage>JJ lost his superstar standing in the meantime and is now considered a franchise killer>bring back Palpatine and have the entire thing come off as a ludicrous fever dream (secret sith fleet?! that just existed offscreen the entire time?!)>again, the main takeaway is that they had no unified vision on what to do and that the writing was done in an arbitrary way
>>215994640>this was at the time applauded since Disney, despite being a shitty corpo overall, was still considered to know a thing or two about making moneySad revisionist history
>>215994640>Lucas folds and gives the rights to SW to DisneyAbsolutely NO ONE was pressuring him to sell the franchise, especially to Disney. That was a decision he made entirely on his own and he has sole responsibility for.
>>215994640>reigns"Reins"Reign = Rule or Administration (ex. Reign of King Sneed of Formerly Chuck's)Reins = What you use to physically control a horse
>>215994868Based Stannis the Mannis
>>215989115snoke, formerly choke
>>215994707Untrue. That was the peak point of nerds ganging up on him online and ridiculing the PT because they painfully wanted to be taken seriously and thought PT was too immature for them (because nerds are really serious guys otherwise)
>>215995046More like Stannis the Trannis who sacrificed his own daughter to a demon and lost like a bitch anyway.
>>215989627Arrogance, Lucas gave them his treatments for the new trilogy. They pick and chose what they liked and tossed out the rest.
>>215989596so does the nigger trooper
>>215994640All the people I know shat on TFA.
>>215995084"The Prequels suck bro" =/= "You should sell your entire franchise to a megacorporation that only knew how to make bastardized adaptations of children's fairy tales (and can't even do that anymore)"
>>215996072But that's exactly what Lucas did since he got sick of nerds heckling him all day over the PT.
>>215996121I think he did that for money.
What kind of Star Wars fan are you?
>>215989627They hired Michael Arndt who was going to write the scripts based on george lucas's draftsThen J.J. came along and had him fired because he though making a remake of ANH was betterhttps://youtu.be/ws85gYk1ypM?si=UfSaOthD7x26gURp
>>215996316And it worked. TFA is better than ANH in every conceivable way. 2 billie says hello.
>>215990455No, he wanted to save the reveal he was Plageuis for the third movie. This would have happened in parallel with the reveal that Rey was Han and leia's daughter all alongBut because Carrie Fischer died they couldn't give the latter revelation any gravitas or pathos, so they had to give her a different special lineageIt was probably either a toss-up between Luke and Palpatine, but both were dead... They decided to go with palpatine so they could catch two birds with one stone and have him as the final villain
>>215991021This is undeniable by any measurable metric. But TFA was made to please people, and TLJ was meant as a huge troll from the mind of a manchild. So it ends up looking worse in the eyes of the audience
>>215994467>My theoryDude, it's painfully obvious. That was so blatantly the plan I have no fucking clue why people made up all sorts of theories about Snoke in the first place
TLJ was so bad i still haven't seen the last one
>>215996606>i still haven't seen the last oneIt's a rip off of Dark Empire & Heir to the Empire, except even more retarded.
>>215996206I never cared about cartoons and shit but is that shit connected to the dexters lab guy’s show?
>>215996659>is that shit connected to the dexters lab guy’s show?No. Filoni's show decanonizes Genndy Wars completely. The only semblance they have is the Genndy art style being translated to 3D. Otherwise, the former show is non-canon.
>>215996727Then this filoni cupcake can fuck himself
>>215989115See the thing is snoke, he is like, heh, Hes gonna, heh heh, go up in like, smoke. Hahahaha get it!?
>>215996072The prequels showed Lucas had no business being anywhere near Star Wars.The Special Editions are proof enough that the magic of the OT wasn't even his doing.Disney did 10,000x better with the sequels than Lucas did with the prequels and the special editions. It's masterful cinematography filmed in high-budget sets and in scenic locations with great lighting and composition rather than filming using flat lighting in front of a green screen giving the actors nothing to act with. The prequels are narrative nonsense which will forever ruin Star Wars by priming every new audience with the notion that the franchise is to be consumed as mindless garbage. The OT's campiness will be interpreted as "being in keeping with the prequel's stupidity" as the OT doesn't flesh out its own universe enough to conflict with the atrocities the prequels committed -- the OT relies on the audience's imagination to create an imposing Empire and a plucky Rebellion which the prequels ruin by actually depicting everyone in the galaxy as being retarded. You need to ignore the prequels COMPLETELY in order to craft the right setting to set off the OT as an artistic masterpiece. The sequels are meant to be watched in the order of:1. OT (within an audience crafted, sensible universe)2. Sequels (existing within the same universe and riffing off the OT)***THE PREQUELS DO NOT EXIST****There are no fucking midichlorians. Yoda does not do backflips. There are no wheezing robots. Obi Wan is not a retarded child. Vader is not retarded child. Yoda is not stupid. C-3PO was not built by Vader. The Emperor's plans are not utter nonsense that require 50,000 things which are entirely out of his control to occur in exactly the right way even as his own acts work against them in order to come to fruition. The prequels utterly ruin the setting for the OT and the sequels were not made to follow an interpretation that the OT exists in a terribly crafted universe.
>>215989341This.Snoke and his execution encompass everything wrong with the story of the sequels. But that didn't kill the franchise. TPM had an ass story. AOTC had a story that people still misunderstand. Neither of them killed the franchise because they still adhered to the rule of cool and were entertaining.What doesn't adhere to that is watching Luke slurp blue tit milk and then die from thinking. Watching Rey effortlessly do everything (again) isn't entertaining. Have 4 fakeouts in a row of whether or not Leia was going to die wasn't cool. Having Holdo berate Poe over her own incompetence did not make people want to see more of this universe.Snoke dying was just another shit nugget on top of an overflowing sewer
>>215989627Kathy thought she was the showrunner.JJ unironically derailed her plans. For those who don't know>KK wants star wars to be new mcu>needs an established blockbuster director and a soft reboot to get new and old fans>wants a female protagonist to get girls interested, assuming boys will care regardless>JJ ticks all the boxes and agrees to do exactly that>after being hired, he disregards all of KK's bs and doesn't collaborate with her story team - handles production largely through his own company, Bad Robot>KK increasingly frustrated at being shut out but she can't fire him because way too much riding on its success>meanwhile, the second director she hired, Rian, is the opposite>he's super on board with her plans and open to collaboration, they bond really well and are on the same page>JJ turns in full treatment for all 3 films>TFA releases and crushes box office>KK figures that she's established herself and doesn't need to listen to the JJs of filmmaking anymore>throw away JJ's treatment>Rian starts making his shit>the third director, Trevorrow, comes forward and points out that Rian's script is fucking retarded>Kathy fears another JJ situation and tells Colin to fuck off>does the same thing with Gareth as well when it comes to reshoots on R1 (probably got the order the wrong way around)>Lord & Miller start shooting Solo while Rian's in the editing room>Kathy gets wordthat the comedy directors she hired are making a humorous film and not a girlboss power fantasy (apparently watching the dailies or paying attention to production is hard work)>goes irate and fires them too>TLJ releases>shitshow>Ron is awkwardly roped in to try and fix Solo>Solo outright flops hard despite her shrieking that it's a film for the boys>Kathy awkwardly crawls to JJ on Iger's demand, and begs him to come back and finish the trilogy, giving him a literal truck full of cash>JJ, who has no artistic integrity, agrees and shits out whatever the fuck TROS was
>>215996898You forgot Rose kamikaze'ing her own friend to stop him from saving their friends, and then kissing him while a giant laser destroyed the only protection their friends had.Also the casino.
>>215993901>Amy AdamsShe let herself go during covid and is an old fat pig now.
>>215997262>is an old fat pig now>now
>>215990917To be fair, it takes a real high IQ to get the Last Jedi.
this could have been star wars
>Luke when Mara Jade exists>cool confident badass >Luke when Mara Jade doesn't exist>bitter old recluse shat on by the force is female chud
>>215989341>the feminist kamikazeabout sums her and hodo
>>215990043>>215990056Even this shpeisship is made out of goooooooollddd
>>215997813>>215997631>>215993901>>215993675I wouldn't put it past disney to make Mara canon just to turn her into a cunt like all other female characters or to have her killed right in front of Luke so they can humiliate him further
>>215994022Rian killed the entire JJ plot in just one movie, he had no need for another one
>>215989627>>215989627>How the hell did a multi-billion dollar company fumble this hard?Hubris.Remember in 2015 the force awakens was a success and it felt like Star Wars was finally back and could do no wrong.
>>215996862>expecting me to ready any of this verbal sewage defending the SequelsSo this is the infamous “Filonigger/Filonijew” everyone speaks so lowly of. You’re shorter than I expected.If you’re shitposting, good show, you almost had me fooled>>215997868They say that art is a reflection of the artist. Well in this case, it’s a reflection of the artists’ collective narcissism and lack of a group ethic.You see a giant fucking wunderwaffen with its microwave cannon pointed at the last stronghold of the not-Rebel Alliance and this gook bbw’s first thought isn’t>OH MY FUCKING GOD THE SURVIVAL OF THE REBELLION IS AT STAKE, WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING NOW OR THE CAUSE WILL BE LOST THE GALAXY PLUNGED INTO DARKNESS FOREVERIt’s>OH MY FUCKING GOD THE NIGGER I’M SIMPING FOR WILL DIE, I NEED TO DO THE DUMBEST FUCKING THING IMAGINABLE OR ELSE I’LL NEVER GET RAILED BY HIS BEAUTIFUL BIG BLACK DICK (and shit out disgusting mutant spawn nine months later, not that he’ll stuck around for any of that)
>>215989341That guy was the only semblance of stakes they had left, he is not the “least of their problems.” Weird Orange alien and jigaboo stormtrooper weren’t franchise ending to the point they needed to bring back fucking Palpatine.
>>215989627Bob Iger and investors were desperate for ROI so they wanted to rush shit and they didn’t feel confident in George due to prequel backlash. Everything bad about Star Wars today stems back to Iger and the investors not being confident enough Star Wars wasn’t gonna make back those billions..
>>215998386You see a giant fucking wunderwaffen with its microwave cannon pointed at the entire fleet of the Rebel Alliance and this whiteboi's first thought isn't>OH MY FUCKING GOD THE SURVIVAL OF THE REBELLION IS AT STAKE, WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING NOW OR THE CAUSE WILL BE LOST THE GALAXY PLUNGED INTO DARKNESS FOREVERit's>I FEEL SOME GOOD IN MY DADDY SO I'M A GONNA GO OFF AND SAVE HIM!
>>215998439>jigaboo stormtrooper weren’t franchise endingI disagree
>>215998572Luke knew that if he got his father to switch sides or at the very least distracted him that it would be to the Alliance’s benefit. He never once wavered in his commitment to the Rebel cause.Nice try though
The first 5 minutes of TFA should have been enough to show you how bad the sequels were going to be. Compare the simplicity and coherence of the opening events of ANH>Leia is looking for Obi-Wan on Tatooine (which she knows because he's a friend of her father)>Leia has the Death Star plans (which she got because the Rebels who stole it transmitted them to her ship)>Vader attacks Leia's ship to get the plans back (which he tracked down by tracing the transmission)Compare that to TFA>Random Old Man has half a map to Luke Skywalker (why does he have the map?)>Leia sends her best pilot on a stealth mission to get it (how did she know he has the map?)>Kylo attacks to get the map (how does he know about the map?)It just gets even worse from there. That's not even getting into all the issues around "Luke vanished for years" and "everyone treats finding Luke as literally the most important thing in the galaxy" cause.
>>215998685What benefit? He would've been blown up along with the Emperor. Luke getting them both to die 5 minutes earlier achieved nothing.If it wasn't for the fucking Ewoks the Rebels all would've died since their undefeatable superpowered Jedi Knight was off playing footsies with dear old dad and they didn't have enough firepower to take the shield generator without him.
>>215997990>Amy Adams appears as Mara Jade in Rogue Squadron just to talk about how much of a dick Luke was and why she had to hide their kid from himThis is barely even a shitpost
>>215998714TFA resetting the Rebels vs Empire status is what ruined the sequels. Everything after that was just adding more shit to the pile, but it was already doomed from the start
>>215999129>disney shits on Luke, againyawn
>>215999258>Rebels vs Empire The Thrawn Trilogy did that and it wasn't retarded, it's possible to continue the battle, but disney is retarded
All they had to do is ripoff Heretics of Dune and make the story take place like 500 years after A New Hope with a rebuilt Jedi order. You can still have the old characters just make them clones or something and recast them.
>>215999551Nah. The point is to destroy and humiliate white male characters and shit on the remains because you are bad and you should feel bad
>yes, yes, I see it now as you turn your lightsaber towards your TRUE enemy>cut to shot of lightsaber being forced move towards Snoke>yes, now as you turn your lightsaber towards your TRUE enemy you want to strike them down>cut to shot of lightsaber next to Snoke rumbling>yes, yes, now strike down your TRUE enemy>cut to long distance shot of Snoke being cut in halfDumbest shit I've ever seen.
>>215992980>media starts gaslighting detractors as "Russian Bots"Thanks for reminding me of that dumb shit. The world unironically would be a better place if we made journos face the wall.
>>215999648>rian johnson being a retarded hack is responsible for the fall of the westhuh... well that certainly is something
>>215999648>Ugh fans think everything should be the same>Anyways, here's the OT all over again except all the actors are old and dying
>>215999341No. Thrawn was fighting against the odds from an inferior position. It was the reverse of the OT with the Empire being on the backpedal. Disney's crap just rehashed the dynamic of the OT completely by having the Republic play the role of the plucky little rebels again while the Empire controls the galaxy
>>215989115This guy never made sense even before getting killed off
