is it even possible to adapt this to the big screen without removing "that" part ?
It's already been adapted, it's called "Apocalypse Now."
>>215993849is it even possible to adapt this game into a novel? It surely can't be done??
>>215993849It would be extremely easy to adapt this into a movie, almost pointless really. You'd just keep that part too, it's not even that shocking or horrific despite redditors being overly dramatic about it.
>Make an adaptation of an adaptation of an adaptationWhy don't you just be fucking normal and read Conrad and watch Apoc Now
It'll be fine. As long as they keep the part where they say "its time to the line'ing" and then they start line'ing
>>215993849The entire movie should be that part And up the other violence by 500% because that's the best part of the game to begin with
>>215994406Sigh… I’ll take up the mantle, I need to for myself a low key pen name though, you think Coseph Jonrad sounds nice?
god how would they possibly do a "hmm maybe war IS bad..." movie...
Quoting an old-ass post that I found interesting:>I consider Heart of Darkness, Apocalypse Now and Spec Ops: The Line to be a trilogy of the same story spanning across generations, genres and settings, a story that impacts each new generation on the most intimate of levels. It forces the generation to be self-aware, and to go into the world not as a bitter jaded sociopath, but as someone who understands the value of life and cares in spite of the horror, without falling victim to naive trust in the establishment or in human nature.By this logic, what would a fourth Heart of Darkness adaptation look like today?
>>215994374It's actually called Funny Games
>>215993849it should never be adapted. everything which made it even slightly interesting as opposed to a boring retread of apocalypse now requires it to be a video game.there's no equivalent to the game prompting you to execute downed soldiers by warning you that they might get back up (they don't). i don't think the WP scene worked particularly well but even there the only power it has comes from you being the one to pull the trigger.
I tried playing this game once but found it boring so I ditched it about 30 minutes in. What's so special or spooky about it?
>dude just stop playing lmao
>>215994843V-Tuber called Kurtz starting an IRL cult with the intent of creating a model society but it degenerates into him demanding that his followers kill each other in obscenely grotesque ways.
>>215994981>I ditched it about 30 minutes inCongratulations, you won the game.>no, really
>>215994916I concur with the guy.There's no movie equivalent of realizing that you can disperse the crowd that just lynched Lugo by shooting over their heads instead of just gunning them down.
>>215995019>nepfag>in the year of our lord 2025Embarrassing. You should strongly consider the rope.
>>215993849>>215994406Nah, Spec Ops is too deep for /lit/ and /tv/plebs. They wouldnt the nuances and deep messaging.
>>215995039Hackneyed reddit take. Play the whole game and enjoy it
>>215994981Besides the twists i really liked the progression, where you start as a clean soldier and your commands are standard "eliminate the tango on the 6" and towards the end its just "fucking shoot them". The 4th wall breaking is also nice, like sometimes when you die, instead of a loading screen you just get a white screen, where you think maybe the game crashed, but then you get loaded in and your character goes "huh??"
Can someone explain what’s good about this? I have no intention of playing it
>>215995106*chefs kiss* now THIS is b8.
>>215994981thats what the dev wanted you to do, otherwise YOU ARE EVIL
>>215995019Either that or just cut up Apocalypse Now in short form
>>215995135It's fun and has a cool story
>>215995130>and enjoy itBut it's not possible to enjoy it. All drama aside, it's a dime a dozen Middle Eastern cover shooter of its era. The game only works if you include the drama, but the drama by design is impossible to be enjoyed. Thus the classic case of eight deadly words.
>>215995224Also had a cool soundtrack. The bit where Glasgow mega snake by mogwai kicks in is kino
>>215994843In Minecraft: a zoomer builds some shit in minecraft and feels sad
>>215995130>play shit game to win shit prizeShant
>>215995135It went very meta on shooters of its era. I personally don't think it's even possible to recreate the original feeling when that game dropped, because the vidya landscape is completely fucking different.Either way, the gist of it is that it's Heart of Darkness presented as a cover shooter and the game hammers it down that escapist fantasies of moving down hundreds of enemies are weird, if not sick. Of course /v/ went apeshit for being called out, so they meme to this day about this game in a really obsessive way.
>>215995248>but the drama by design is impossible to be enjoyedNo it isn't. Just don't be an attention seeking fag crying about how you feel so evil committing war crimes. CoD players never give a shit about that (yes I know that's the white point of spec ops theme). It's just a fucking game.
>>215995270Playing a fun game and unraveling an interesting story isn't a shit prize. I thoroughly enjoyed seeing the squad descend further into savagery as the fans progressed.
>>215995255That soundtrack is the reason why the game can't be bought anymore. It cost too much to maintain the copyrights, so they de-listed the game from online stores.And thus, one of the hallmarks of its generation got removed in the post-physical copy world.You will own nothing and you will forget you played something
>>215995300>escapist fantasies of moving down hundreds of enemies are weird, if not sickPresenting their premise as fact does not actually make it so.
>>215995307Are you blind or just semi-illiterate?The point isn't about it being a "fag story". It's that the drama is impossible to be enjoyed, period. And you instantly started to project things.Let me ask you a quick one: you never played this game, did you?
>>215994448Haven't played this, but isn't "that part" just your character killing some civilians? Oh boo hoo, yeah it sucks that that happens in war, but it's not like lots of equally horrible things haven't already been depicted in dozens of movies and shows already.
>>215995349They also really doubled down on that premise and started sniffing their own farts after the reviews came in. There's nothing wrong with making a meta game and offering a critique of other shooters but all that shit about how "the only way to win is to stop playing" is just histrionic nonsense.
>>215995349Which was the whole point of the game.Somehow, entire population of /v/ missed something the game spells out to them in a very fucking unsubtle way, and throw a temper tantrum (and keep throwing it to this day) over missing the memoIt's fucking hilarious to observe how people STILL get angry about this game stating a handful of basic shit and get ass blasted over it. It's been what? 12 years? 13?
>>215995365>It's that the drama is impossible to be enjoyedThat's simply incorrect. I enjoyed it. >Let me ask you a quick one: you never played this game, did you?I first played it in 2012 and last played it earlier this year. I've played through it dozens of times. It's one of my favourite games.
>>215995300>Of course /v/ went apeshit for being called outDo those people even play Cod? One of the problems with the game is the people it was targeting weren't interested and the people who played it weren't the target audience.
>>215995372The point is that the character is delusional and took those civilians for enemy combatants.And this is the first time the MC is confronted with his mental illness.
>>215995300>the game hammers it down that escapist fantasies of moving down hundreds of enemies are weird, if not sickspecifically the thing that makes it interesting is how good it is at prompting you into taking the obvious brutal option when it's not actually necessaryIMO it drops the ball with the white phosphorus scene everyone remembers because the game just doesn't progress if you don't do the bad thing the game wants you to do. in the other cases you're committing war crimes for no reason other than that the game made it easy for you, in that spot there's simply no other option besides quitting the game or sitting there mowing down an infinite number of enemies.
>>215995382>but all that shit about how "the only way to win is to stop playing" is just histrionic nonsenseIt's literally in the loading screen of the game.Always have been.
>>215995447The loading screens taunting you is part of the immersion
>>215995438Counterpoint:There are few other moments when you have a choice NOT to commit a war crime, but it requires from player to rethink your position and behaviour (or to simply test game physics). The phosphorus moment gets rightfully shat for not giving you an actual choice, and the choice could be simple: you either do that, or you die due to being surrounded and fired upon by a lone gunner you mistake for few platoons
>>215995471Tell that to >>215995382 who apparently never played the game, but still has an opinion about it.
>>215995422/v/ here, I haven't bought any CoD games since Black Ops II and haven't played any since Ghosts. Am unironically proud of it seeing as how it's an utterly creatively bankrupt IP that needs to just die.
>>215995532>I stopped playing CoD around the time Spec Ops dropped
>>215995530Both those anons are me, retard
>>215995438>specifically the thing that makes it interesting is how good it is at prompting you into taking the obvious brutal option when it's not actually necessaryDoesn't that kind of defeat the game's own message though? If the horror is found in the player actively engaging in atrocities, then it should be the player's own choice to commit them. If the game tricks the player into it or misleads the player with bullshit cues, then it's not the player's fault that they're doing bad things. After all, it's a videogame, and players tend to follow standard videogame logic when playing.
>>215993849>>215994374Sad fact of the matter we simply won't get another game this good or movie that good.We lost the technology somehow.
>>215995553My decision unironically had nothing to do with Spec Ops: The Line which I didn't even play until a few years after its release.I just hated their gravitating towards futureshit so I stopped buying them. I already didn't like Black Ops I or MWII and III, and found Black Ops II to be mid at best, so it wasn't a hard decision.
>>215995603The supposed messaging is overblown and silly. It's ok to make a game that analyses other games in the genre and makes observations. It's also ok to play as a bad guy, do bad things as that character and enjoy it. I enjoyed the rage and have played it far more than most people, that doesn't mean I have to agree with all the developers' pretentious takes.
>>215995702>also ok to play as a bad guy, do bad things as that character and enjoy itI highly recommend Manhunt 2 uncensored. Best version of it is on the Wii though.
>>215995744I loved manhunt 1 when it came out but I've never played 2, despite it being on my kids' old jailbroken wii
>>215993849No one talks about the soundtrack in these shitposting spec ops .threads
>>215995783It has my favorite motion controls, along with Godfather: Blackhand edition.
>>215995962I did, here: >>215995255
>>215995365>It's that the drama is impossible to be enjoyedLook at you, unable to process anything that is not the most spoonfed slop ever with a clean-cut-invariably-positive message, otherwise you're having a boo-boo
>>215995603>>215995438Kinda sorta.That's why I think the "shooting on the lynching mob" scene that was mentioned before is both accomplished in a way better and way more understated way than the WF scene.You're not in immediate danger (the stoning will kill you over time but the damage is pretty slow), tons of games have prompted you to mindlessly shoot the aggressor in front of you, so that's the default option many will choose without even thinking about it, and I'm pretty sure a lot of people never realized that you can proceed even if you just shoot your guns in the air to scare the crowd away.
>>215993849This would make a terrible movieThe whole idea of "you're a bad person for playing this" doesn't translate onto big screen the same way playing it does. The central conceit of you as a human being purposefully "playing" a war game where YOU go out to kill people and the game makes you feel bad for psychopathically engaging this behavior while thinking you're a hero or just doing it for fun at least has some merit in the gimmick. Making a movie where one of the themes is "you're a bad person for watching this" doesn't have the same effect at all because it's just being passively consumed, unless they add some new aspect of maybe a new character documenting all this as some metaphor for humans consuming violent media like it's nothing completely ignoring the fact that this shit happens all the time or something
>>215996409It would still work as a movie in its own right, you would just lose the"you're a bad person for playing this" aspect, which is mostly a meme anyway in a world where games like postal 2 exist where you can piss in innocent people's faces and set them on fire
>>215996478Postal 2 isn't a serious game, Spec Ops the line, whether you like it or not, is and has a point to bring up.
>>215996409I think Cabin in The Woods got somewhat near if you take it as a meta-commentary on the horror genre, but even that is not an exact match
>>215997126Yeah, and it's fine to do critique of other shooters and how they portray the protagonists as heroic despite their unsavoury actions. Spec Ops does a good job of this. What it can't do, despite pretending it does is imbue the player with a sense of guilt or shame for playing the game. Games are made to be played and their stories to be unraveled. Spec Ops is enjoyable and fun right the way to the end, including the prologue.
>>215995702This. When FONV came out my favorite faction was Caesar’s Legion even though they’re obviously the evil faction
>>215996409>Making a movie where one of the themes is "you're a bad person for watching this" doesn't have the same effect at all because it's just being passively consumedJeeesus watch more movies, guy. This has been a thingThey did this with Funny Games which is a widely popular thriller
>>215997589It's just performative moralfaggotry, like when Elon Musk said he tried to play GTA3 but had to put the controller down and turn his PS2 off because you had to shoot a cop. It's just a fucking game.
>>215993849It's impossible to adapt, because there would be no gamer to blame for the MC's actions. At best who could make a movie about a kid playing the game, but everybody can already find that on youtube.
>>215997623>Funny Games>widely popularNope, it turns out most people don't like being judged for watching actors play pretend.
>>215997746>SAAAAAAR THAT IS NOT MARVEL IT HAS NO HENRY CAVILL HOW CAN YOU SAY IS POPULAR BENCHOD BASTARD FATHER FUCKER
>>215995512>surrounded and fired upon by a lone gunnerHello? Gamer choice? The game should let you kill all enemy gunners if you are skilled enough, not kill you in a cutscene after you win in the gameplay segment.
>>215997746Making you examine that the media you consume mows down lots of nameless people and you normally you don't pay it a second thought is not judgmental unless you yourself feel guilty.It's good that you actively engage with it. Obviously it's not real, the civilians or enemies are pixels, bit it's interesting to actively think what your reaction would be if they were people with their own thoughts and dreams.
>>215994981A lot of journos got high off their own farts playing it and convinced themselves it was a narrative masterpiece instead of pic related
>>215997668>like when Elon Musk said he tried to play GTA3 but had to put the controller down and turn his PS2 off because you had to shoot a cop.I guess he couldn't understand that there was no mechanics to pay him off to look the other way.
>>215997788There's a big difference between not being lowest common denominator MCU slop and being widely popular. Dirty Harry is widely popular. The Thing is widely popular. The French Connection is widely popular. All three of those movies are known by the wider viewing public. Meanwhile, Funny Games is an unusual curiosity that is only known by film nerds and 99.9% of people either haven't heard of or don't want to watch.
>>215997934The thing is it's actually fine as a narrative driven game. It's just the reviews, the redditor reactions and that one pretentious dev doing interviews about it blew it out of proportion.
>>215993849War is... Le bad?
>>215993849>WHY DIDN'T YOU STOP PLAYING THE GAME, ANON!?>WHY?!>WAIT, DON'T RETURN IT! DO NOT REDEEEEEEEM! DO NOT REDEEEEEEEEEEEEEM
>>215995135You commit war crimes as the main character start losing their mind, and the game tips start talking to -you- the player.Basically it's an interactive Apocalypse Now, but you don't know that going in the first time you play. So for a lot of people they're just expecting a third person shooter and get kino.
