Can somebody explain Taylor Sheridan to me?I used to take him for a meh writer with a fetish for everything "frontier" and think that he managed to tryhard his way to something good with Sicario and Hell and High Water, then got spoiled by TV money off Yellowstone and other shitty shows and is actively phoning it in. But when I read the actual scripts for Sicario and HHW, they're overwrought preachy dogshit - exactly the kind of stuff that he puts out on TV now, where, it seems like, he has more creative control. (Sicario 2 is a lot worse and tries to spin the cartel princess character into some kind of social activist, but it was not great in final form either without Villeneuve and Deakins.)So what gives? Did he get uncredited rewrites from some anonymous contributor that made HHW and Sicario good, then lose them?
>>215998118Sicario was his big shot so I guess he worked harder on it. Now he's writing what like 6 different shows for paramount at the same time. Mad hustler but yeah the shows are shit
>>215998118into some kind of social activisWhat? How? Saw the movie Saturday and she's completely passive other than trying to escape once and getting immediately caught.
>>215998118His TV shows are god-awful. Sicario was alright....Writers must have to answer to the network more when they right for TV, i think they have far less freedom.
>>215998118he's honestly super fucking mid yellowstone was straight forward and entertaining thats about ithe prolific, but still an average writer
>>215998118He produces the perfect tv product. Its safe. Its watchable. Its easy to follow. It has just enough action and tits.
He rides spinny horsies
>>215998251Yes, this is not in the movie. As for the script, see, for example, pic rel. This is the original version of her scene at her high school, where in the film she just browbeats the principal.She also has a scene where during the border crossing Alejandro lectures her about how the poor kids are exploited for her life, and she vigorously covers herself with dirt and exclaims how she deserves it.Matt (Brolin's character) also apologizes to her in the script for the CIA's actions, and she resolves to go to university in the USA to become a journalist and eventually expose the evil and corruption.
>>215998118Wasn't it well known that Villeneuve trimmed his scripts in Sicario? I recall Benicio also chose to make his character a more silent type. Don't know much about High or Hell Water production though.
His movies are decent to good His shows are all shit
>>215998730> Wasn't it well known that Villeneuve trimmed his scripts in Sicario?I didn't know but that would sort of explain it, yeah. I don't really think too highly of Villeneuve as a writer, but I think he's sparse and that probably creates good synergy with Sheridan - he's the perfect person to replace the boomer rambling with "show, don't tell".
>>215998118>So what gives? Did he get uncredited rewrites from some anonymous contributor that made HHW and Sicario good, then lose them?There's a lot of steps between finished script and finished movie. Directors, producers, actors all leave their mark, especially if the writer doesn't have much pull. Sometimes, like in Sicario and HHW's case it works out great. Sheridan writes prestige TV for people that love NCIS. He writes entertaining, crowd pleasing shit. He's the Dan Brown of conservative cowboys. He found his niche and is milking the living shit out of it. It's not surprising his two best films were the ones he didn't direct and didn't have any control over.
>>215998118A good director will know what to cut from scripts to make the movie flow better and Villanuevo did exactly that. Sicario 2 also differs from the script, especially in the third act, but in that case I think it was the producers that did a lot of meddling. On a sidenote, these movies are good examples of why either criticising or praising a script is pretty stupid unless you have read the actual draft that the director used for the shooting and can spot how much was changed, or edited out for that matter.
There's some type conservative/large industry push behind this guy, landman is literally funded by oil companies
>>215999065He wrote and directed Wind River and that was great. That plus Sicario makes me doubt he's as shitty as this thread is implying.
>>215999065He’s more like conservative Aaron Sorkin (especially in Landman). The dialogue is very didactic and heavy on morals/ethics, and he also preaches to the choir about contentious matters like fossil fuel, climate change, industry, etc. Aaron Sorkin does the exact same thing for the smug liberal audience.
>>215999368Consensus is hes capable but just doesn't give a fuck cause he's making boatloads off boomerslop
>>215999368WR was kind of meh. It's certainly not the worst he's made, but still, my politics are far from mainstream-progressive, and even I cringed at the scene with white Jeremy Renner lecturing a indian drug addict about how much of a lowlife he is.As for him directing, aside from his debut which he disowns (Vile), I think he's never directed something he didn't write. Which kind of makes me wonder how he'd do in that situation. I suppose that his ego would have gotten the best of him and he'd rewrite a lot of the script into his signature style. Which makes me wonder what he'd do if given a script from some totally different writer. "Directed by Taylor Sheridan, written by Terrence Malick" or something like that. Or if you'd like a movie truly at war with itself, "directed by Taylor Sheridan, written by Aaron Sorkin", as >>215999518 this anon says.
Oh good more reddit spillover where they literally have weekly seethe threads about this guy. Just how spoiled and entitled do you need to be for less than a handful of shows that slightly deviate from the woke consensus (in some areas, they're still woke in others) to cause this much butthurt. It's at the point where a lot of people are literally campaigning for netflix to win WBD just so that consensus stays intact. Insanity. And fuck most of Hollywood for enabling these freaks.
>>215998118He’s based for telling writers rooms to go fuck themselves
>>215999754>I cringed at the scene with white Jeremy Renner lecturing a indian drug addict about how much of a lowlife he isEven if you didn't like that scene, that wouldn't be enough to call the whole movie meh. To be fair, that's not something I'd notice since I'm not native and didn't view it in that lens. Did you think HoHW was better? I've been putting off watching that.
>>215999841Anon, my main problem with Sheridan is the preachy tone. I like woke no more than you do. The reason Sheridan makes me butthurt, personally, is that I'd like for the stars to again align in the way that made Sicario (unrealistic, because I'm not sure they'd ever secure Deakins again) or at least HHW possible, but he keeps wasting his potential on 10 spinoffs to Yellowstone.
>>216000006Yeah yeah whatever. Pick a better target and don't pile on you idiot.
>>215998118Makes shows that were brilliantly set against The Woke Era of 2018, they are full of manly topics, tits, women who love being women, like none of this they are all super independent, they are usually either catalysts for the plot or very supportive of their man. No stupid bitches like that girl from Pluribus. No friggin Skylars. They all mostly have a purpose to serve.
>>215999948> Did you think HoHW was better?One of his best, in my opinion. Again, I don't really know what happened there in production that didn't happen with his other movies. But it feels like he selected a theme - "the old west is dying, or is it really?" - that he cared about and had ideas on, but not to such an extent he can't stop rambling about it - and that enabled him to really carry it well.
He's a Trojan horse for yet more woke themes. White man bad, oil evil, etc.
