I was trying to find a single prominent example of a movie with a white hero and black villain, pic related was the only one I could find, but then I realised that Snipes isn't even really the villain, he's a force for chaos but the real villain is some shady white guy.Is there a movie I've missed that actually does this?
Unbreakable
>>216010351Training Day, kinda
>>216010351Black villains aren't that common. They were usually just the henchman
>>216010377Law Abiding Citizen, actually.
>>216010351I wouldn't even say that Snipes was the villain. He was the second main character. The movie just doesn't work if Stallone and sniper aren't playing off eachother.
>>216010402Agreed, he's A bad guy but not THE bad guy.>>216010396The black guy isn't actually a villain here though, he's just trying to be a good cop or whatever>>216010364Ehhhh not sure about this one. Glass did bad things sure, but he's also a kind of sympathetic character whose motive was arguably justified from a twisted perspective. Plus it's not like he actively 'fights' the hero, if anything quite the opposite.>>216010377Not seen it, QRD?
>>216010351Guardians 3
>>216010351Live and Let Die
>>216010752Aha, that might be an actual answer. Even though it's from the 70s and a bond movie (which essentially renders most villains of the monster-of-the-week variety), I think it still counts.
>>216010801Yeah according to Google it's this and a handful of marvel horseshit. It's crazy how few black main villains there are in any decade not just now
>>216010351Youre right. Some exceptions:Kingsman: The Secret ServiceOne of the VHS Halloween episodes
>>216010351>real villain is some shady white guy.what happens to that guy?
Conan The BarbarianLast King of ScotlandKingsman: The Secret ServiceCandymanRockyRocky IIRocky IIIRocky BalboaWanted
>>216010878He gets killed by a mook
>>216010993>conanblu eyes>Last King of Scotlandmain character>Candymankinda main character too>rocky, 2, balboanot villain>rocky 3ok
>>216011068You can be a villain while being the main character. Last King of Scotland and Candyman both have clear white heroes and black villains.
>>216010351In 4 Brothers, two of the brothers are white, and the main villain is a black gangster.He has white henchmen too.
>>216010462>Agreed, Saruman A bad guy but not THE bad guy.>The officer Frank Tenpenny isn't actually a villain here though, he's just trying to be a good cop or whatever>Ehhhh not sure about Volandemort one. He in Harry Potter books did bad things sure, but he's also a kind of sympathetic character whose motive was arguably justified from a twisted perspective. Plus it's not like he actively 'fights' the hero, if anything quite the opposite.OK, Mr "everyone is in the shades of gray". Name one (1) villain. From any media, any story, any color, sex, species.
Serenity, for most of the run until Malcolm makes him see the light.
>>216011350Jaffar.
>>216010351Black people aren't smart enough to be villains.They're just used as cannon fodder or distractions by actual villains. They're basically orcs.
>>216011350This>>216011815Jaffar was trying to destroy a monarchy, a definitionally unjust form of governance. Any mistakes he made was in the service of the greater good of the people. He was a paragon and a saint, especially when he did that volcano shit.
>>216010351Coincidentally, Rocky mostly fought black guys.
>>216011915>a definitionally unjust form of governance.Anon I...
The film version of Uncharted, although it’s a black woman.
>>216010351Live and Let DieGotG Pt. 3Street kings
>>216011917And also coincidentally Rambo fought all the other non white races.
>>216010351Daredevil (2003)
>>216012229Anon, his first movie had him fighting other white people.
>>216011915>monarchy, a definitionally unjust form of governanceSince when?
>>216010351Conan
>>216011350Your faggotry is so profound I'm mortally afraid your cavernous asshole will consume us all
>>216012382You're right my bad. But he spared them all though.
>>216010351american gangster,brick mansions...there are some.
>>216010462>Not seen it, QRD?Not the anon you replied to, but Ethan Hawke is a newbie cop and Denzel is his more experienced partner. Hawke finds out over the course of the movie that Denzel is extremely corrupt and violent.Now, Denzel is the lead, but he's the villain, no doubt. And Hawke is the good guy cop hero
It's a pretty limited list for sure, so far reasonable answers seem to beGotG3Live and Let DieKingsmanConan the BarbarianRocky IIIUnchartedDaredevil (2003)I asked Grok, and it said GotG3 doesn't count because>Chukwudi Iwuji as the High Evolutionary — the main antagonist — is blue/purple alien-coded, not presented or perceived as blackIt also suggested Aquaman because Jason Momoa is apparently white now.
>>216014486Oh, I think I have seen that actually. Those kinds of movies kinda blur for me. Wasn't Denzel's character initially making an argument that you need to bend the rules to keep the peace or something? I can't remember how it ended.On a side note, is it just me or is Denzel Washington the most overrated fucking actor? A friend of mine thinks he's one of the greatest actors of all time, but everything I've seen him in he seems like a fucking plank
>>216010351if he helps evil (without being forced by anyone) then he's evil, OPdoesn't matter if he's main villain or not
>>216010351Den of Thieves
>>216014548It's been a while since I watched it, but reading the wikipedia summary and just by my own recollection, he's never really painted as sympathetic. They don't give him a sad backstory or anything, he's just a piece of shit, and Ethan Hawke is the good guy whom he tries to corrupt
>>216010351escape from new yorkmad max beyond thunderdomelord of warblood diamond>>216014548Denzel in training day was pretending to be a hardass cop who bends the rules to get shit done, but it actually turns out he's just a corrupt badgenigger who wheels and deals with all the criminal gangs in LA, owed money to the Russians, and was trying to set up Ethan Hawke and steal a bunch of money to repay the Russians before they kill him. He's unequivocally a bad guy, not an anti-hero.
star wars
>>216014863Are you retarded?
>>216010351Green Mile
>>216015114This, the black man is only a controlled evil and becomes good at the end. The real villian is once again a pasty old white guy.
Lakeview Terrace. It starts out as a story about a black cop (SL Jackson) who is racist against whites and especially against the white man dating his daughter. Later the film goes off the rails and becomes a schlocky thiller like Cape Fear, with Jackson in a psycho stalker mode.
>>216010351He is the main villain. He kills off and supplants the guy that thought he was masterminding him. And then becomes the big bad that has to be defeated at all costs.
>>216010351Lakeview Terrace comes immediately to mind but the white guy does have a black wife who plays a prominent role. Training Day even if people watch it for the bad guys performance. Rocky 1, 2, 3 and 6 sort of. they're boxing movies obviously but the antagonists are black.
Ebert hated Conan because he said the white/black dynamic was racist. He also said the same of the Penguin and the Pebble (no joke)
>>216019087>First prominent film (besides a bond movie) to have a white hero and black villain>DATS RACISSSNon-racist people don't see colour, it's that simple.What causes this kind of derangement? No wonder he was popular in (((Hollywood)))
>>216017296>Anakin is blackbeing half-charred to death doesn't make you black
>>216011850This is funny, but no. The main villain is actually a mulatto.
>>216010351Cultural war aside, Wesley Snipes could be a great Joker
Blacks have this thuggish energy to them. It works if they play henchmen, but not main villains who are often intelligent and scheming.
>>216010351Jackie Brown
Morpheus was a villain for waking Neo up, so 'The Matrix'.
>>216010351BuckBreaking
>>216010351>>216010351simon wasn't quite the villain though, maybe before he was frozen, but after he was a relic of rebellion and street level organized crime at worst.if he were less vicious, he would lead the underground rebels easily.
Dead Presidents maybe? It’s a tragedy story but armed robbery with homicide is generally considered bad. The only white dudes in the movies were the Vietnam guys and the judge at the end that threw the book at them. Also Chrissy from the Sopranos gets his dick cut off and stuffed in his mouth so BRAVO Michael if he worked that into sopranos dialog goodfellas style.
>>216010351children of men
>>216010462Just say OP "There is no answer I will accept" and be done with it. If you won't accept Glass then you are full of shit
>>216019957Sorry I don't have perfect recall of a movie I watched over a decade ago, I just remember him trying to create a hero rather than be a villain. Better question, why are you so buttblasted about it? Think you need to grow up a little bit there, might help with the ouchie-wouchie in your botty, yeah?
>>216010993James Earl Jones is an honorary aryan, he doesn't count
>>216019841He was a literal modern day warlord that had anti-air cannons keeping air traffic from Los Angeles until Spartan stopped hin. And he was set to rebuild his empire with thawed bad guys at the end of the movie before Spartan stopped him again.
>>216020328as I said, before frozen yes villain, after not so much
So there’s heaps of examplesBut yeah you’re right that there’s mandatory racial shit. They don’t get loans from Blackrock if they don’t add the globohomo.Have you noticed that they never depict serious crimes against institutions anymore? I.e. bank robberies. Also, no movies allowed showing the government as evil or heroes who rebel against the government or any of its organs. Everything goes through a CIA culture filter to determine whether it promotes enough goodthink now
>>216010351white hero and black villain, picStar Wars. Empire and Jedi don’t count they showed his head.
>>216020044The awful-except-ATJ-running-down-stairs sequel Glass retcons the story, but in Unbreakable Mr Glass is the main antagonist and not even sympathetic, being in a wheelchair doesn't change killing a bunch of people more than once. Not that anon btw
>>216010377Only the final confrontation shows the residents of a ghetto turning on Alonzo, which is what really breaks him, making it clear to the audience that ultimately "the real black community" does not claim him. Plus that scene earlier in the movie where he meets with some more powerful police/government officials who make him act like how Jake acts with him, just another pawn answering to the real corrupt power players, and they're both old white guys with suits.
Been a while but does Marked for Death (1990) count, or was a white guy the main villain and not the Jamaican gang?
actual villain of demolition man was the reverend, stallone just cleans up the mess he made.
>>216015114Nope>>216017296Valid for ROTJ. For Star Wars and Empire, Darth Vigger is definitely the villain>>216019593James Earl Jones
>>216010364I should have known, David! The Kids!
>>216010351That’s because they are the villains irl when it comes to just mindless violence.
Did anyone say Training Day?Training Day.
>>216010351I agree that the shady white guy sets the plot into motion and his motives are supremely selfish, but Snipes in my opinion definitely plays the real villain. He outplays the bad guy white man and wreaks havoc on everyone. In the end, only Stallone can stop his cruelty and lust for destruction.
>>216020951>James Earl JonesThe actor in the suit was white, the actor playing Anakin when he's revealed at the end is white, Anakin is white in the prequels, I don't think having a black guy do a voiceover makes him a black villain.I thought you were retarded because you were trying to say he's black because his outfit is black, but it turns out you're only half-retarded, but still half cos your argument is pretty fucking stupid.
