Tell me concisely why he is wrong specifically about Gobleki Tepe without sounding like a midwit trust-the-experts institutional bootlicker.
Because you can’t have high population density without agriculture.
>>216013688Shill bot thread paid by big archeology.
>>216013688His largest sponsor is Joe fucking Rogan
>>216013688He can't be right or wrong until we've dug up every grain of sand in the Sahara. Until then, he is merely asking questions.
>>216013688How about a debate?
>>216013688What does he say about it? It does make a good wedge for his overall thesis as it set back the timeline of humanity’s rise by like 5,000 years.
>>216013688He's right though.
>>216013732fair enough>>216013735not an answer>>216013757not an answer
>>216013795hate this faggot like you would not believe
>>216013864Facts don't care about your feelings :^)
>>216013732Who says they didn't? The site is 11,500 years old. There's no way to build a site that large without being there a long time. That means steady food supply. That means farming and ranching.
>>216013688I dont know his claims about gobekli tepe specifically but if I had to guess he says that it's evidence of a long lost civilization that had advanced technologyMy question to him would be how is one settlement with some semi-advanced buildings evidence of a wide spanning civilization with advanced technology
it's not that hard to move a bunch of big rocks around
>>216013732The conclusion is that GT is the result of farmers. They found cereal processing areas in the site.
>>216013864I thought it was an anne frank photoshop
>>216013688Gobleki Tepe therefore I get to rape you
>>216013954The smallest parts of the site are 11,500 years old. The rest of the site is progressively younger. The operative theory is it was irregularly/seasonally occupied over thousands of years before an attempt at permanent occupation was made, that failed, resulting in the site being buried before the occupants moved on to resume hunter-gathering, following the food. There are likely tons of failure to launch style sites all over the planet. Trying to start a stable sedentary civilization via trial and error, where the error is “everyone who tried will either die or resort to cannibalism” is a huge filter. Even colonies with support from establish nations failed.
It would be one thing to say that people back then weren't as dumb as we thought. It's something completely else to claim there have been seafaring civilizations circumnavigating the globe spreading knowledge in y-10k. The guy's a grifter who is in it too far to acknowledge he's wrong. He fried his brain with drugs.
>>216014161At any rate it destroys the belief that human civilization is only 6,000 years old.
>>216013688>>216014161stone masonry only feels like alien magic because western civilization dropped it around the early 1900s in favor of industrialized technology, with most traditional stone masons being killed off in ww1 and ww2, with the few remaining survivors not really passing on the skillssince nobody wanted to pound rocks for a living. So you now live in a world where people dont know how to pound rocks. But for thousands of years, pounding rocks was peak technology for many humans and we were really good at it. The people who push this shit want you to believe your ancestors were backward retards, and without the noble merchantal class ruling us with their benevelant globalist bankingschemes, we could never achieve the greatness we have today.BEHOLD, I present to you a secret documentary featuring strange white aliens: They make a mathmatically perfect space wheel for their pyramid star ship using lazer clubs with android laborers. They utilize the latest in occular technology created from super heated sand combined with machined straight edges to precisely measure each rock and then use their pale noodley apendages to shape the rock. Half way through, they bring forward a tool never seen before by modern man,it is called a 'pen cel' which utilizes "penultimate" power stored in a microscopic "cell": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lscs5ZgNQrE>>216014278yeah but we always knew that. the egyptians told the greeks that in the bc era. Some people argued it was just a meme, others lowkey ignored it to push their prefered religious narratives, but the educated people of society have always known humanity was much older than normally believed but without much proof. But now we know 100% for sure thanks to lidar. We now have the tools to survey vast swaths of the planet without digging a single thing up and we find these kinds of human settlements all over the planet. yet these grifters keep insisting on their 1970s bullshit.
>>216013732Erm, actually, anthropologists are now theorizing that a lot of “cities” were spiritual locations at first that drew a crowd and then agriculture came after.
>>216014278The first successful civilization starting about 6000 years ago, and everything progressing from that start, is why it is stated that civilization started 6000 years ago. Failed attempts at civilization before that do not change anything.
GOBEBLI DEBBIEDIBBLE ON MY :DD BENISBYRAMIDS :DDD
>>216013688He's a freemason. Everything he says is controlled opposition.
>>216013688He's not wrong about anything. In fact, I agree with him and take it a step further.Just because I can't currently brainwash you and make you a clone of myself and overtake your genes via thinking about it doesn't mean it's impossible. In fact, I'd argue, that if you think about anything hard enough, the evidence is self explanatory. At this very moment there's no reason to believe you need to eat to survive, for example. There's proof that human skin is detachable as well, and not required to live a healthy life. Bacteria, too, isn't real. Microscopes are engineered to make us think these things but if you think about it, you've never seen bacteria with your naked eye, so why would it be real?Prove anything I said wrong. You cant.
>>216013978People throw about the term "advanced technology" thinking it means aircraft and cars or crystal spiers and togas, but "advanced technology" for the time might be kilns, pottery, finely made stone tools. Calendars to predict seasons, irrigation (primitive by our standards). If people 300 miles away are hunter gatherers and you have an oven and are baking bread you're pretty fucking advanced by comparison.
>>216013795>>216013903>Facts don't care about your feelings.>HOW DARE YOU SAY TRANSWOMEN AREN'T WOMEN?!Why is every single youtube atheist like this?
>>216014417>humanity == civilizationyou see this mistake a lot. What causes it? ESL?
>>216014787Okay, but there isn’t even evidence of that level of technology
>>216014799You made up the situation and instantly decided it was real, you tell us
>>216013732agriculture existed on what is now the seabed but was land during the last ice age.they took soil samples from the seabed of the Solent, a strait between england mainland and the isle of wight and found wheat in the soil sample, 2000 or so years before wheat "arrived" in england. the seabed of the solent was where people lived during the ice age because it wasn't a seabed. same for doggerland and the Minch in scotland: flatlands between what is now islands but was where people lived.
>>216014909Dave is a troon-enabler. I didn't make that up.
>>216014978Is this “Dave” in the room with you right now?
>>216013688>Tell me concisely why he is wrong specifically about Gobleki Tepe without sounding like a midwit trust-the-experts institutional bootlicker.He's an author with books for sale. Literally anyone can parrot von Däniken's works for profit.As a true academic, I don't pay for knowledge; I acquire it from honest sources.
>>216015002I meant this guy>>216013795He calls himself "Professor Dave" and advocates for every reddit opinion
>>216013688Dibble’s father is monitoring this thread
>>216015223no one knows or cares who that is or what he says/does
>>216014933just because there was more land doesn't mean the land we have today wouldn't be cultivated and even in the younger dryas most low lying areas were marshland or lakes and impossible to cultivate especially since they had few means of drainage.
gobekli tepe is quite literally a psyop
Why is it always aliens with these people?Is it really impossible that humans were actually rather inventive and figured out how to stack rocks by themselves?
>>216015411>Is it really impossible that humans were actually rather inventive and figured out how to stack rocks by themselves?Having read one of GH's books, that's quite literally his opinion. Ayyy lmaos not mentioned or required
>>216015366Higher land dry. Water levels rise mean higher land not dry no more.
>>216015366Cultivated? Younger dryas? I’m kind of cultivation the urge to kick your dry ass, nerd
>>216013688>without sounding like a midwit trust-the-experts institutional bootlicker.Sure, after you explain to me why you trust exactly this one "expert".
>>216015520Too late, I already depicted you as the virgin boot licker and me as the enlightened free thinking chad
it does seem likely that hyperboreans founded every major civilization worldwide thousands of years earlier than the historical record. There's just too many commonalities
>>216014526Thank you for your heroic contribution to this thread.
>Endless slave force?>No, no no... You see... >It was levitation magic!This is who you defending.
>>216013688Hancock’s take on Göbekli Tepe only works if you treat every unknown as a hint of a vanished super-culture. But the site doesn’t demand that: the pillars are made of soft limestone that small bands of hunter-gatherers could shape with basic tools; the intentional burial fits known ritual “closing” practices instead of implying some dramatic suppression; and the radiocarbon dates lock it firmly into the period we already understand, not some earlier mystery age. His “global symbol network” collapses once you notice the carvings match the local animals and traditions, not some worldwide codebook. The real story is that early foragers were more socially organized than we assumed, not that a forgotten civilization handed them blueprints.
>>216016291The “commonalities” are “things that worked.”
>>216016361yeah but we’re saying slavery was actually impossible because who would work without a wage?
>>216016291If nordics founded every civilization, why didn't they have any civilization themselves until they were colonized by Romans?
because its just some stone huts and is only about 10,000 years old
>>216016361Yes.
>>216017898I believe the success of this man's antics are in part because modern living is so soul-crushing and empty of meaning that people are subconsciously desperate for validation of innate potential of the more mystical kind. just my 2 cents though
>>216017466They decided that they must return to monke after witnessing manmade horrors beyond their comprehension.
>>216017466could be the same reason western civilization is dying out right now. In 1000 years people might speak of the mythical europeans that had all this advanced technology
>>216017713if its 10k years old it breaks the mainstream narrative. most likely they are both wrong. its much younger than reported but mainstream archeology cant say that without exposing their fraudulent dating methods so they say its a mystery and bury it literally with dirt and figuratively with red tape.
>>216018445you're probably right, but if people some people were slightly less nomadic at 10k BC than 8k BC does it even really matter given the rate of progression at that time. Its not like they built a city or a colosseum
