Wait, but you can't just request trial by combat during the trial that already started just because it's not going your way.
>>216024742Peter might disagree, but he can pull more pussy than the average guy
>>216024742You can in a world created by a retard that doesn't have written laws, paved roads or a coherent tax policy.
>>216024742dam, never thought about that, he's basically declaring a retrial right before sentencing. why didn't he just yell "I DEMAND TRIAL BY COURT HEARING" like five seconds before the mountain crushed that dude's head? it's basically the same thing
>>216024781The Jew fears the game of thrones government
In the lore, and briefly mentioned by Tyrion and Beric Dondarrion, a Trial by Combat is an appeal to The Gods, and people in Westeros legitimately believe that, so it's held higher in regard than any judgement men could pass.So yeah, you can, because the concepts are not on the same plane of existence. The real flaw in the logic is the rules regarding champions. Certain people have only certain people they can pick from, but only under certain circumstances, and in cases with people who are lower born or judged (by men, ironically) capable to fight, you may not be entitled to a champion at all.There really should have been like a dedicated guild of religious warriors whose purpose, among general service, was to answer the call to fight in trials against each other.Oh and don't forget that like 98% of the population don't even get trials. They get the ol' kangaroo court.
>>216025102>There really should have been like a dedicated guild of religious warriors whose purpose, among general service, was to answer the call to fight in trials against each other.doesn't really make any sense if it's gonna be a fight to the death. any time somebody calls for trial by combat, that's one less member of the order. avoiding this by letting them yield would be dumb too, completely opens this shit up to corruption if you can pay off the opposing champion to take a dive.the champion system works because the person has to be willing to actually die for you and the state is going to throw up their best warrior so it should usually be guaranteed death unless you've got plot armor like brom
>>216025543Hence, why they're religious warriors. They're militant to a fault. They die for justice, in the name of their gods. It's an honor for them, and a higher calling than even the septons themselves.Also, like I said, trials are infrequent to begin with, and trials by combat even less so. The concept would be a side gig to whatever these dudes do during the day.Oh and by the way, officially you can yield, though I don't think it ever occurs in the novels.
>>216024781>coherent tax policy.For someone so known as "what was Aragorn's tax policy" he never did touch on ruling and only ever wrote evil character drama. All the people praising nuance are gay, virtually all characters in asoif are evil and self-centered.
>>216026118>Evil cannot create anything new, it can only distort and destroy what has been invented or made by the forces of good,"Yeah, Martin really is a piece of shit.
>>216024775>but he can pull more pussy than the average guyhow much bussy can he pull? I have a feeling it is somewhat less
>>216024742I don't watch slop but I'm curious. Why wouldn't you be able to do that? How is that any different than declaring trial by combat at the start? It'll be the same result either way. Are you just throwing a baby fit about a few wasted hours? Kys retard bitch.
>>216026118Tyrion as acting Hand of the King levies a 1 copper tax on all acts of prostitution to raise funds for the defense of KL while preparing for Stannis' attack.That's a lot of creampies.
>>216024742Would love to dropkick this fucking midge off a cliff and laugh at his screams.
>>216027017It makes a mockery of the judicial system. If you want to forego the hearing and choose a trial by combat that’s fine, but you can’t let the hearing unfold, see it’s not going your way and then ask for a trial by combat instead. It’s like having two stabs at it.
Why didn't Tywin just change it to a trial by 7 like Aerion Brightflame did to Dunk so Tyrion would have no chance even if he managed to scrounge up Bronn or Oberyn to be a champion?
>>216027896There's a scene from Oz of him getting dropped off a tall building for the origin story of one of the prisoners, that might amuse you.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_upIJYfRkc
>>216025102>>The real flaw in the logic is the rules regarding champions. Certain people have only certain people they can pick from, but only under certain circumstances, and in cases with people who are lower born or judged (by men, ironically) capable to fight, you may not be entitled to a champion at all.Not a flaw at all, this is basically how Calvinists think with predestination. If you're a poorfag with all the inherent disadvantages of it, too bad, that's God's plan. If God wanted you to succeed despite your handicaps, you would.
>>216025543> if it's gonna be a fight to the deathBronn pauses and looks at Lysa before killing Vardis which seems to imply that it doesn't have to be to the death if the reigning authority is satisfied that the duel has been won.
>>216027990nobody knows wtf you're talking about
>be Ned Stark>request trial by combat>get better chances of survival since he is still a capable fighter even wounded and has a chance of beating Jaime who is most likely opponent.Its one of legitimate ways to survive for him in CK 2 AGOT
>>216028294that actually sounds like a legitimate plot hole, why didn't he demand a trial by combat? Joffrey probably would have denied it but then it makes Joffrey look bad and turns the public against him when he already had trouble with public support
>>216024781It's hilarious the fat fuck talks about realism in worldbuilding when his Fantasyland has regions named after their biome (duh the river lands has lots of rivers) and the same family rules the North for 8000 years which is longer than irl recorded history.
>>216028294He could have chosen his own champion, he didn't need to fight himself. >>216028639He never saw trial, he was so honest he just admitted to everything and plead guilty in hopes to take the black and live up north with Jon Snow.
>>216024742He killed his father because of the fucking WHORE. How can anyone like this character?
>>216025102>powerful people make up rules that benefit them and basically make them exempt from the lawThat's not a flaw in the logic, that's literally how everything works.
>>216028639He's not a good fighter in the books and was content with going to the Wall with his brother and nephew.
>>216028850>realism in worldbuilding when his Fantasyland has regions named after their biome (duh the river lands has lots of rivers)That's literally how real places are named, you fucking retard.
>>216029563we don't know how good he is or not since he never really fights in the book except that one time in the street and his horse falls on him and he breaks his leg, the only indication we have of his fighting ability is he was one of 2 left standing against dayne and would've lost if not for howland, considering the other 2 kings guard are also dead it would seem he's at least pretty good just not at selmy or dayne levels
>Oh cool I get to be the fighter for this stranger and have a 50% chance of dying
>>216026118He wasn't literally saying Tolkien should have written about tax policy. The quote is about the notion that a good warrior makes a good ruler.
>>216026118Rent free
>>216029576Regions tend to get named after a tribe that lived there.E.g. Africa is named Africa because the Romans randomly came across one of the areas and decided the name the surrounding area after them.In Germany you have regions:>Swabia>Bavaria>Saxony>Thurugia>PommeraniaAll are named after a tribe that lived there.
>>216028639it wasn't a trial since there was no doubt over his guilt whereas there was still no direct evidence that Tyrion was involved in Joffreys murder. He also knew that the Lannisters were trying to avoid war with the Starks so getting him to admit guilt and go to the wall alive was more useful while keeping the girls as hostages.
>>216024781I read a huge effortpost about just how bad and unrealistic the world is. It's next level. It reminds me why it's the leftist LOTR. It just handwaves away reality. There's no cause and effect. No dealing with necessities. Just the feels and the message.
>>216028639Ned was offered a deal by which he would confess and in return his daughters would be protected while he would be sent to the Wall. So he confessed. When Joffrey had his tard moment and ordered him executed, Ned had already confessed, so a trial makes no sense.
>>216030190Any idea where I could find this effortpost? I'm really interested in reading it
>>216029576>ice land>green landwho the fuck comes up with this shit?
>>216029827>France, Land of the tribe of Franks>Hellas, because the people call themselves Hellenes>Russia, because the precursor of the state were a loose group called Rus>Mexico, from the Mexica people of Tenotchitlan >Mongolia, guess which people live there>Brazil, type of tree
>>216024742Look out, we've got a medieval lawyer here.
>>216024781jahearys built the best road system ever seen in westeros, faggot
>>216025102Wait... you mean to tell me that courts in a medieval setting werent entirely 100% fair?!? This relevation changes everything, whats next, youre gonna accuse nobility of having unfair priveleges and poor farmers were exploited???
>>216028063I don't think this leaves it open to corruption if only the person losing the trial (not their champion) can concede victory to the other party without a death
>>216028063Yes, not every Trial by combat is fought to the death, we will see one in Knight of the seven kingdoms S1
>>216024742Why couldn't he? Trial by combat is literally the defendants last line of defense, when only intervention from God can prove him not guilty
>>216032769>when only intervention from God can prove him not guiltyIt's not though. It's just who you personally know. If the mountain owes me a drink then I can pretty much do whatever I want.
>>216024742>You can't settle out of court if the trial is not going your way.You can if the other party agrees to it though and Cersei eagerly agreed.
>>216025102Tyrion got a kangaroo court, most people just die
>>216028639he was buckbroken and thought getting sent to the Wall was his only way out other than death
Well if you assholes are so smart you can write your own god damn books. Leave GRRM alone. He's working hard on multiple projects at once, AND The Winds of Winter which is going to blow all of your minds. I'm not watching football and eating pizza all the time like you guys say
>>216035772Only way for his family.
>>216032848If Mountain owes you a drink... then you're in pretty good spot anyway buddy.This is not really an argument.
>>216035819Finish the book, you fat fuck!
>>216029563He is implied to be exceptional fighter in the books; but as others stated not a sword of legend like the others.Even in the series he held off like 5 Lannister men without a sweat.
>>216024848My sides
>>216024781george is such a fucking hypocrite when it comes to his criticism of Tolkien
>>216035893>He is implied to be exceptional fighter in the booksNo he isn't.
>>216024742a trial of combat is just the mountain tearing you apart like a toy if you are not a great fighter.its not a good option.
>>216035893You shouldn't talk about books you haven't read
What was his tax policy ?
>>216036117>>216036503>Survived Fighter with the greatest swordman ever lived who merked five other guys who were some of the best fighters of the era>Not exceptionalSo what is the next goal post?
>>216024781tax policy?
>>216036590They were 7 against 3 and it's made quite clear that they still would have lost without some weird frog magic shit.If your take from ToJ was that Ned is an exceptional fighter then you're retarded.
>>216036670But he lived, and thats what making him EXCEPTIONAL.
>>216026118in deep geek has an entire video detailing all of the tax/econ lore martin put in
>>216036621this nigga was like the Joe Biden of targs
>>216036561incurring mass debts, pressuring low interest rates while mass deficit spending under a recovering peace time economy
>>216036783Joe Biden spent 15 years tard wrangling his nephews and then got murdered by his son?
>>216024781>no roads
>>216036821metaphorically kind of yeah
>>216036821everything good from the Obama admin was actually Biden, by the time Biden had the throne he was old and had to deal with other peoples messes but was able to get alot done despite having a short reign
>>216029608true. but we can guess he is at least pretty good given his status would get him top tier training and he won the war and during it probably saw a large amount of combat, relative to muh skill no xp ppl like Jamie
>>216024742considering you can't even get a good attorney in westeros you absolutley have every right to demand a trial by combat if you are about to be found guilty
>>216030190lotr is centrist
>>216029563Ned was a decent fighter, probably bottom tier of good fighters assuming the tier of "good" would be several tiers away from top
>>216036821replace nephews with Hunter, and his son with Hunter
>>216036561more wine
>>216032848your logic is bad. the viper fought the mountain only because of his sins, ie in religious interpretation the mountains lack of divinity stacked the odds against him.
>>216036817term one trump?
>>216025702No chance a polytheistic religion inspires that level of devotion
>>216036949>Hunter the Unworthy
>>216036783he sniffs little girls?
>>216037018he looks like it doesn't he
>>216037018better a kid sniffer than a kid doer
>>216036996you mean term 2
>>216025102kangaroo court
>>216027990i feel like trial by seven became taboo, also a trial by seven would actually hurt any team with the fucking mountain, also that would look extremely weak to choose the mountain as your champion, the other side chooses Oberyn and your next move is "uhhh i demand a trial by seven"only the defendant can call for a trial by combat
>>216036590A 7v3 fight where we know nothing except the resultThere is however 1 time we're told about Ned fighting a named character and that was both him and rodrick gettig their asses whooped by bronze yohn roycePlease read the books before you talk about them sweetie
>>216024848>>216024742This is more like an appeal. You appeal to the gods to judge your guilt by combat. There's no higher authority than the gods, so you can't appeal the trial by combat.
>>216037228Do you often argue pretending to not understand what words mean? Does it help you in real life acting retarded? Does your mom bring you food where you sit?Anyway have a good one chap.
>>216037351You're pathetic but I don't really have to say it because you already know it yourself.
>>216024781>paved roadsThere's a chapter tediously describing a paved road
>>216028294In my games he's chosen as Robert's champion and gets gutted by Euron
>>216025702Who the fuck is going to volunteer to fight to the death for a potential criminal?
>>216037351I accept your surrender and hope you've learned not to speak on subjects you're not familiar with
what was GRRM's dragon wing biomechanics policy
>>216037432balerion go whoosh
>>216024781>You can in a world created by a retard that doesn't have written lawsThe Irish and the Frisians used to sing ther law codes to commit them to memory.
>>216036842the FDR of targs
>>216038037Irish didn't have civilization until after the Americas were discovered
>>216024742
>>216037375>a paved road Only one?
>>216032492Which was one dirt road, that crosses with a second dirt road.
>>216024742Combat to the death is very rad and entertaining, so the law says it's always allowed.
