>check scifi / fantasy film / show>see a cool universe full of different civilizations, biomas, species, behaviours>all of that is just 5 min. in the entire show / film>the rest is full of real life (retarded) human dramaWhy an ultra-advanced technological / magical society will not fix the DNA of its species to avoid stupidity (drama)?Normies being the target audience killed both amazing genres.
>>216030710Yeah I feel you, anon.> want to watch show about zombies> the show is actually about le relationships> want to watch show about pirates> the show is actually about le relationships> want to watfh show about space> the show is actually about le relationships> want to watch show about party politics> the show is actually about le relationships> want to watch about cia> the show is actually about le relationships
>>216030710>>216030801Retards. Sci-fi and fantasy are dead because they cannibalized themselves. They are made by people who grew up consuming sci-fi and fantasy;The original sci-fi and fantasy were made by real academic intellectuals who grew up living interesting lives and were inspired by reality.
>>216030801Glad that I'm not the only one, sad that we have to suffer this.What it really amazes is how few people saw this as the true problem of cinema (despite all the YT cinema reviewers that appeared in the last years). Now, no matter the genre, all films / shows must have an "emotional / character development arc", if not "people" (normies) hate the show / film and wanted to cancel it. For them it feels "alien" that a character has an already establish personality, I think it teels a lot about the current standard mental maturity of the society.It also shock me how few memes exist critizing this, despite we're in /tv/.
>Scifi died because it was racist to go to the moon instead of feeding niggers.>Fantasy died because it was racist to show white people without niggers.>Horror died because the real horror is racism against niggers.
>>216030973So, what OP said but in other words.>OP>>the rest is full of real life (retarded) human drama >Why an ultra-advanced technological / magical society will not fix the DNA of its species to avoid stupidity (drama)?>Normies being the target audience killed both amazing genres.
>>216031011>will not fix the DNA of its species to avoid stupidity (drama)?This is so retarded. Probably undiagnosed autism. You want all sci-fi characters to be emotionless automatons?You're not anti-drama. You're anti bad drama, anti melodrama. All your favorite sci-fi series had drama in them, it just wasn't bad drama.
>>216030931>Retarded drama>Creative bankruptcyBoth things are true.But normies killing both genres is worse than the bankruptcy. Why?Because there are works out there that would be pure Kino and despite that, they aren't Kino and if they are made, they will be slop ("Lovecraft Country": MC is black, retarded drama) in current the cinema industry.Best example: Lovecraft, people at best take inspiration from him, but no one wants to translate his works from paper to the big / little screen in all of its cosmic horror glory.>>216030973“When, long ago, The Gods created EarthIn Jove's fair image Man was shap'd at birth.The beasts for lesser parts were next design'd;Yet were they too remote from humankind.To fill the gap, and join the rest to man,Th'Olympian host conceiv'd a clever plan.A beast they wrought, in semi-human figure,Fill'd it with vice, and call'd the thing a NIGGER.”― H.P Lovecraft
>>216030710>>216030801This is why I love Alien more than the sequels and prequels. It's almost entirely science fiction artists showing off their awesome creativity.
>>216031039>You want all sci-fi characters to be emotionless automatons?>anon thinks unironically thinks that being emotionless is equal to be non-retarded>anon is projecting his low-IQ retardism in others>anon feels attacked because he is the true retard here
>>216031039>You want all sci-fi characters to be emotionless automatons?That's how it usually is. Go back and read interviews with any classic scifi author about the future. 99% of it is the 20th century equivalent of "I hecking love science!" or unironic shilling for the own-nothing-eat-ze-bugs-get-ze-brainchip future. Scifi is by and large a terrible, anti-human genre by and for misanthropic autists.
It really makes you think how far we have fell as a species and civilization,>no need for obnoxious dialogue every 2 seconds>no need for CGI for ridiculous action scenes>no need for the last ultra-advanced camera nor the perfect lightning>no need for 4 billion dollar budget>no need for 10,000 workersGives you primordial fear, your blood memory remembers the apex predator from an dark forgotten era.I swear, when I was young I thought the actors of the 1920s were exaggerating about the "death of cinema and art" when sound became the standard, now that I've been comparing silent films with sound films, I totally agree with those actors, they were prophets.
>>216031151Not necessarily . You're arriving at the wrong conclusions.The people who were complaining about the death of art (not just cinema) were onto something.And you start to understand this, when you start to get some humility and understand how great our ancestors, and ancient civilization were.Genius has existed for 1000s of years and it's still just as much genius today, technology and mass education haven't made us smarter, they've made us dumber.BUT. I don't think art, genius and the soul of the world died in the early 20th century. POP culture didn't become truly idiotic, obnoxious and soulless until the 80s.
>>216031203>You're arriving at the wrong conclusions.>POP culture didn't become truly idiotic, obnoxious and soulless until the 80s. Excuse me, anon, but I think you're the wrong one here. The true soullessness started in the early 60s with the first creative bankruptcy (cowboy / spy slop pandemics).Before that dialogues were true writing art, characters have actual soul, even the most (economically) poor character was educated and tried to do better in life (ex: going to an opera, reading the Classics were true and worthy goals). With the cowboy / spy slop-pandemics, now violence and not dialogue was the main thing, cheating, drinking-until-passout, swearing, etc. became "le cool", those pandemics happened when boomers (the worst generations of all, Cronos incarnated) were kids.Perhaps I'm too radical about the superiority of silent cinema, ofc I know there are great sound films (last years of the 50s and first of the 60s, before the dark / slop ages) BUT those films were inspired and / or created by people raised under the silent cinema. Even today, if you check the best sound films of the last years, were created by people influenced and passionated with the silent cinema era.
they cancelled it
>>216031408Yes, you are being too radical. I thought we had some sort of understanding.I could never seem to come across a doomer who sees it the way I do.It's an endless stream of slop now but up till the 60s definitely, maybe even later. You still had the magic of someone just grabbing a movie camera and doing something of absolute genius that you had no idea was possible.Did you watch Cleo from 5 to 7. A lot of French new wave in fact is like that. Even Terrance Malick is like that.There was still genius and soul floating around in the aether. And it's not just a simple case of characters were more educated, or they inserted the right morals, and people read the classics.Which honestly just give me the impression that your dissatisfaction is rooted in modern reactionary identity politics i.e You're a RETVRN TO TRADITION larper. And not rooted in something more fundamental that has gone wrong with the world and art.I don't believe at all in the supremacy of silent cinema. Any more than I believe in the supremacy of classical music.Even if silent cinema didn't exist, and somehow the technological progression jumped directly to sound and color movies, you'd had people creating just as good if not better masterpieces.Because the true well of artistic creativity, is in the mind of the artists, and not in some technological limitation.
>>216031521>Mithraic faction>allows women>despite Mithraism was ONLY for menCertified Hollywood slop.
>>216031580>supremacy of silent cinemaAs I said before, I believe in the superiority of silent cinema but NOT in its supremacy over sound cinema. It's superior because in the ratio of quality over quantity, silent cinema just wipeout sound cinema.Also, no I'm not a "muh tradition" larper, I hate larpism and traditionalism, I'm all for innovation, one of my favorite philosophies is (Italian) Futurism. And I love Terrence Malick's works.I hope I clarified you my views about this.
>>216030710It takes talent to write compelling of such cliche genresSame reason you can't just do metal or rap without sounding like shit like unlike many other genres
>>216031767It's funny how rap-fatigue (specially in black people, a surprise to be sure but a welcome one) is growing faster than Hollywood-fatigue despite rap being younger than Hollywood.
>>216031735That's a good step. But 90% of silent movies were lost. How do you know the bar for quality was higher? Also only the educated and the affluent could get into making cinema as late as the 60s.I am reminded about a tweet directed at Kevin Smith that said they literally had to lower the bar for you.I don't think true true slop began until the Tarantino's, Kevin Smiths and the likes got into "cinema". "Cinema" became movies.Even earlier slop like Bruce Lee, Spielberg, or Sergio Leone westerns were rooted in something real and profound. They had something to say, some little understanding.
>>216031809Is what happens with lowest common denominator race to the bottom is the goal, people, even the most retarded normalfaggots can tell bullshit eventuallyI don't even dislike R&B to but begin with mumbling and FLC studio free tier beats aint it
>>216031810>I don't think true true slop began until the Tarantino's, Kevin Smiths and the likes got into "cinema". "Cinema" became movies.If you ask me, before them, there was George Lucas, because for many Star Wars was "the first blockbuster". I'm not gonna be a Lucas-hater and say "Star Wars ruined cinema" or it's 100% garbage, but it really contributed with the "le hecking cool scenes (don't get me wrong, they were and still are truly amazing) > well writing dialogue" pandemic we currently suffer.
>>216031870Too optimistic take for me, but perhaps it could really happens. Phonk-mania only lasted 2 years until low-IQ brazilians ruined it and now people have Phonk-fatigue, so maybe the same thing can happen with rap.
>>216031521 Was it really THAT good?
The last sci-fi I liked was Interstellar.
genrefaggotry is for plebs
>>216032713This happens in all genres, retard.
>>216030973they are just WMDs don’t forget the ones with their crooked fingers on the button
>>216032713It used to take skill to make good looking, alien sets and clothes and items, and bring them alive with acting and camera.Now it takes people willing to embarass themselves in a green onesie.It can be fairly obvious which people had vision and craft before and use computers to fill it out, and which people are trying to put humans into computer games.
>>216031810>They had something to say, some little understanding.So I guess you DO want drama and human messaging.Poor apocalypse genre enjoyer shall simply have to starve again.
>>216030710try one more cup of coffee
>>216034265Anon, the other anon you are replying is not OP.I'm OP, I want to avoid retarded drama. I'm not against drama perse, but if I want yo watch drama I watch a dramatic film. This days drama is omnipresent in eveey single genre, it's a burnout because not only is everywhere but also very bad written. For ONCE I would like to enjoy a film that avoids it and is faithful to the genre it belongs: >if is a zombie film, I want a dude that use his brain, survives and do cool scenes killing zombiesJust that, not 10 seasons of the same Walking Dead slop.
>>216034996I will, anon, I will.
>>216030937What are examples of films that you like whose narratives are not predicated on their characters?
>>216030710Conservatives hate a diverse universe full of black Klingons and Jewish Ferengi.
>>216031106It is funny that you refer him to interviews rather than actually listing books or characters that fit your criteria. I am not deep into sci-fi but I have read books scifi / weird fiction books by Jack Vance, Gene Wolfe, Philip K Dick, Asimov, Herbert, C.S Lewis, Lem, CAS. etc. which are among the canon of 20th century scifi and not one of their books, that I have read, remotely uses soulless automaton characters to explore scientific ideas. In fact, the scifi setting usually serves to illuminate the human experience in a new light. But maybe I just haven't read the books you're talking about so give recs. But if you want an interview, you can read this one of Wolfe and judge for yourself what his interests were. https://www.depauw.edu/sfs/interviews/wolfe46interview.htm
>>216035648Clones from Genndy's CW, they are perfect war-machines made of meat instead of metal. No drama, no "muh clone rights", no crying nor moral doubts nor philosophical discussions / speeches every 5 minutes. Just the stylish coolness of war.
>>216035651I get the reference. Kek.
