Why is everything my fault

>>216045589
white male lead

>>216045602
Glen Powell is not white, hes just Glen Powell

>>216045602
He part Lipka Tatar, not white.

>>216045589
>Cum and See (2025)

>>216045589
it looks like total shit. just like everything else that flops.

Unless your movie plays into some viral trend, no one cares because cinema is dead.

>>216045594
You should have thought about that when you customized your character.

>>216045589
Wright is wrong. Most directors aren't in the same rooms with the public on current issues, even PTA can only fool people who's not in America *about America". TGM is more nostalgia than current events

>>216045589
The ending is bad. That means people leave the audience feeling underwhelmed, and in this case confused, which hurts word of mouth. If you leave with a bad taste in your mouth, that's what you'll spread to your friends, even if the movie started strong.

>>216045589
wright been washed

A worthwhile movie gets ppl talking about its ideas and arguments, even if it flops. No movie generates discussion on its subjects

>>216045589
The original Running Man is a semi-classic, but not incredibly beloved. The Stephen King book is basically unknown, nobody fucking reads nowadays anyway.
They hired Edgar Wright but the film looks bland and manufactured, lacks the style Edgar Wright is known for aside from like a couple of fast zooms, it has no artistic merit being purely a corporate suit assembled attraction. Now these are supposed to make money, but only if it's something people know about. Lilo & Stitch shit remake made money despite being garbage because it was uncontroversial and based on something everyone knows. Wicked movies do well because the Broadway musical has a devoted fanbase, plus Wizard of Oz is very well known, and these flicks despite being purely corporate slop has a bit going for them stylistically with the flamboyant elements, some camp. Wright's Running Man has nothing, it has zero things going for it. I guess it's more accurate to the book, but it's not 1:1 plus being accurate in story beats is not the only thing. The quirky Reddit comedic tone is completely way off the mark, King's book is pretty dark.

>>216045589
The idea is pretty lame. Powell is both old and an extremely bland lead. There's also niggers prominently featured.

>>216045589
I don’t know, I didn’t see it

>let’s remake some niche arnold movie that wasn’t even popular with a megastar in it back in the day

>>216045589
Glen Powell looks weird.

Flops are the rule, not the exception now. The market simply can't bear the number of theatrical releases anymore, certainly when they are non-event movies like The Running Man.

>>216045863
isn't the original mostly known and loved for having Arnie say goofy one-liners after killing villains? it's pure camp, this new one looks like a Marvel movie where massive CGI explosions are going off all the time.

>>216045777
Yeah I was open to it but the trailer looked awful and generic, plus wrights last couple have been bad

>>216045589
A better question would be: Why did anyone think it was going to succeed?

R rated movies all basically flop now unless they are Horror or based on strong IP. That is kind of it. What was the last R Rated movie not in either of those categories to do well?

>>216045905
>the market can't bare pointless remakes that are worse versions of the original
People will pay to see entertaining movies, which this obviously was not. It inspired me to rewatch the 2017 version, and it was highly entertaining for the camp and casting alone.

>>216045589
Every movie today is flopping. Cinema is in systematic decline. It’s absolutely bizarre to me that they’re still trying to find individual reasons why these particular movies flop. It’s literally 90% of them.

>>216046111
Parasite probably

another adaptation of a low tier SK book that has been adapted before... failed? who was in the wrong here?

>>216045919
The original movie is campy but also has grit to itself, partly because you could only do effects practically at the time and that automatically brings grit to your movie. This combo gives the film a sort of a style even if it's not "visionary". This thing can also be considered a problem rather than a feature if someone thinks that the tones are clashing too much. It's far from a perfect film, and again it's only a semi-classic, it's not as well regarded as something like Predator or Total Recall. It also missed the mark on adapting the book properly, plenty of changes. Although on accuracy: I don't know if it's possible to adapt the book accurately WHILE making a film that will succeed in the box office. It has to be expensive because there's plenty of action and it takes place in a somewhat futuristic setting. So it has to make a lot of money. But the original book is really dark, it's a stressful dystopian thriller with a dark ending that at the same time is meant to be both shocking and depressing but also have a hopeful element to it, it's transgressive in a way. Even if you got some visionary filmmaker who really likes the original book and would adapt it accurately and also in a way where the movie retains cinematic artistic qualities, a vision, it would probably not make money. It might have even flopped harder than this new Wright movie.

>>216045589
The lack of Josh Brolin in the marketing. If there had been a single trailer framing the movie as Glen Powell facing off against Josh Brolin it most likely would have done better. Glen Powell by himself isn't a draw.

The original Running Man wasn't very good. It is just an Arnold movie. The new one was closer to the book, but even if it was better and they had the guts to do the book ending I don't think it would have done much better in theaters. Maybe the shock ending would have caused word of mouth to spread some at best. They needed to try something more shocking though to get people to talk about it like that at least.

>>216046321
Brolin isn't a draw either. No actor is no outside MBJ as black Americans will flock to see his movies now.

>>216046171
Lilo & Stitch remake 1 billie
Zootopia 2 most likely one billie
Wicked 2 most likely one billie
Avatar 3 most likely 2 billies
Minecraft 900 million
Jurassic World Rebirth 800 million
Big budget blockbuster successes here. They succeeded because they were based on something people actually know, and were uncontroversial. Wicked is arguably an exception because the movie is very much a subversion of a classic work with elements that seem to parallel Drumpf a lot (surveillance state commentary paralleling Palantir shit, talking animals working as a metaphor for deported illegals or even trannies), but it's just one genuinely woke property that has a fanbase that's ultra devouted. Most other controversially political shit doesn't have the pull.
I will say that ideally Hollywood should scale the fuck down with the budgets.
Why did PTA's One Battle After Another cost 150 fucking million? It wasn't at all blockbuster scale, there were a couple of crowd control scenes, but no huge action setpieces, no CGI really. Garland's Civil War cost 50 million. If One Battle After Another cost like 70-80 million it would have been a crazy success. 200 million for a 3 hour Pynchon fanfic by PTA is insane in a vaccum, but it was made on capeshit money.

>>216046406
Plenty of people recognize him as Thanos, which even that small thing is enough for people to at least consider watching the movie.

>>216045589
It's the John Carter problem with adapting material for modern audiences. The Running Man was a template for a shit ton of dystopian anti capitalist books and movies that it become derivate simple on the basis on it being template for good story ideas. The gold mine of story ideas has been milked to death at this point. It could be literally any dystopian YA book and the audience would treat it as such. It becomes disposable because of how culture has milked it's influence. Like someone bought a gold mine after everybody already took all the gold. There is nothing left.

>>216045863
>The quirky Reddit comedic tone is completely way off the mark, King's book is pretty dark.
You either go full bore goofy ass with Arnold vs. Richard Dawson making stupid ass one-liners while killing themed Hunters. Utterly impossible now. No one alive has an ounce of the presence or charisma Arnold or Dawson had.
Or you make an edgemaxxxxed dystopian adaptation of the source, right down to the twist that his family was raped and murdered before he ever went on the show and the 9/11 ending. Equally impossible, because no one has the balls to do any of this.
This movie tried to split the difference and just wound up as directionless slop that appeals to no one.

>>216045589
It failed because you dicks are trying take no chances and remake everything. Nobody cares about a knock off worse than Arnolds one.

>>216046321
Huh? That's exactly what the trailers did.

Even if the movie was good instead of being average/mediocre could it have succeeded?

>>216045589
Because he's Hangman, not Leadingman. Glen's a decent enough actor but he's got absolutely no draw power.

>>216045589
It's just not a good idea

The only good part of the old movie is Dick Dawson. Why would I watch anything made by Hollywood now?

>>216046111
one battle after another?

>>216046780
completely agree, well said

>>216045589
I saw that he had a black wife in the previews so I didn't watch it

>>216046153
>People will pay to see entertaining movies

No they don’t

>>216046409
Reminder with inflation and increased production costs 1 billion is genuinely embarrassing for a "hit"

>>216045589
Running Man was always #1 on the list of old Arnie things that I loved but felt like it should've been better. Basic common sense improvements over the last few decades + making the dialogue not 95% puns would've been enough so I had hopes for this. Then I saw the trailer

>>216045900
kek true

The thing that turned me away was the humor. It felt like every action comedy from the last 15 fucking years. Since the early 2010 we've been getting these action comedies that are just snarky characters quipping and going "Did that just happen?" in action scenes filled with CGI and awful visual gags that aren't funny. The MCU fucking made this whole shit obnoxious and apparently execs haven't got the memo people are tired of this shit.

>>216045589
>and the general premise only appealing to boomer males.

Boomer males remember watching the original Arnold running man and have no interest in seeing this one.

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>another remake of a classic film
>white man with a niglet child and shitskin wife

pic related

Never seen the original but it just wasn't good. Felt like Eating McDonald's. Just bloated and not that great. There was like 2 minutes of him interacting with his family and then it moved on... So there was no time to be emotionally invested in them and then whenever we were supposed to they would bring up the same stupid picture or clip the picture came from. Even then I suppose the second act was okay, but the third act totally jumped the shark and the ending was retarded.

Yeah, just not a very good movie. I've seen a lot of movies this year and they are all different degrees of not very good... But this one was just legit Not very good.

>>216045589
>remake something instead of just making a good film
the first running man was fine, it didn't need to be remade, nor did total recall.

They should be doing remakes of movies that fucking sucked, like literally any vandamme film except universal soldier.

Flops of 2025:
A Big Bold Beautiful Journey - $22m against a $45m budget

After the Hunt - $9m against an $80m budget

Ballerina - $137m against a $90m budget

Black Bag - $44m against a $55m budget

Bugonia - $35m against a $55m budget

Caught Stealing - $33m against a $40m budget

Christy - $2m against a $15m budget

Deliver Me From Nowhere - $42m against a $55m budget

Die My Love - $7m against a $24m acquisition deal

Eddington - $11m against a $25m budget

Elio - $154m against a $200m budget

Honey Don’t! - $7m against a $20m budget

Hurry Up Tomorrow - $8m against a $15m budget

Love Hurts - $17m against an $18m budget

Mickey 17 - $133m against a $118m budget

Mission: Impossible - The Final Reckoning - $600m against a $400m budget

One Battle After Another - $200m against a $130m budget

Snow White - $205m against a $270m budget

The Alto Knights - $10m against a $45m budget

The Smashing Machine - $21m against a $50m budget

The Running Man - $28m opening weekend against a $110m budget

Tron: Ares - $141m against a $220m budget

>>216047553
Nah, a good Running Man movie based on the novel could have been made. They tried that here but the tone was too all over the place and they didn't do the book ending.

people are broke and most are willing to just wait for it to go on streaming

Because it didn’t look like a movie you had to see. It’s a generic blockbuster. Movie theatre tickets are expensive and the economy is in the shitter.

>>216045589
People hate Hollywood

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What is the actual reason why Hollywood sucks now? Is it because techbros and moneymen took over and it's impossible to fund anything that isn't capeshit and capeshit-adjacent? (i.e legacy sequels)

>>216048065
Too many jews and freaks

>>216045589
the movie is a remake of a book and was already done, nothing new nothing fresh anymore

>>216048065
we are getting dumber and less tolerant to anything that isn't 10 second tik tok videos

>>216048065
You wouldn't believe me if I told you the real reasons.

Rlm will review this

>>216048100
Please go ahead

Le heckin' quips.
Le wacky tone.
Nigger wife.
Niggers.

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>>216048065
>What is the actual reason why Hollywood sucks now?
Sure:
>No cultural focal point, people are pulled in too many directions, leading to intense competition, companies put all their focus into huge IPs to copy trends, thinking they will have higher audience capture.
>Culture is truly only what people know and people don't read or watch different things, everything is a reference of a reference of a reference, aka culture is diminishing returns, repeating adaptations, IPs etc.
>Too much content = choice paralysis.
>But paradoxically there is no real choice because so much content is aimed towards algorithms/political narratives etc so all feels the same.
>Creators don't cut their teeth in other mediums, they suffer from the reference of a reference thing, they are manipulated by online feedback into avoiding tropes, so they hyperfixate on one set of tropes whilst running head first into other tropes.
>Creators think basic character plots, hero's journey and other things are bad because: they are westernised/patriarchal or they are too trope filled, but in avoiding basic satisfying stories, they often rely on subverting expectation style twists, which are for the benefit of online audiences who like cheap surprises.
>Cronyism, nepotism.
>The MASSIVE skill shortage of creatives, crew, behind the scenes people.
>Circumventing unions in the continual quest to pay people less and less.
>Streaming has devalued entertainment so much with no secondary market like DVDs etc to pick up the slack.
>Huge transition period as people move towards other forms of free entertainment, it is no longer this movie vs that movie, it is podcast vs streaming vs doomscrolling social media.
>We are trapped in battle for attention spans, not battle for the box office, and the tech companies rule this.
>The executives and producers are completely out of touch when it comes to the transition of entertainment and have their heads in the sand.

>>216048210
Good post

>>216045589
>Deadline
That site is leftard trash but their cope whenever woke and disney movies flops is pretty funny.

>>216045589
Weird ass movie. Just fucking weird all around.

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>>216048065
This question is asked a lot, and this chart is the answer. Those minority white men, btw, aren't white.

>>216048210
People are so fucking desperate for something to connect to that a dumb viral TikTok dance trend made Wednesday, a show based on the Adams family, into a massive huge hit. Then within a few months the show vanishes and takes years for a season 2. As a show it is full of tropes but people miss tropes. But even then, would it have been a hit without the trend?

We have HUGE population increases whilst at the same time the cultural output feels lesser and lesser. Whilst the output of random junk stuff radically and massively increases. Trapping us in the present and the moment. Content everywhere.

People think virtual reality would be like the Matrix, plugging into a fake world. But our society is already virtual. Entertainment used to give you temporary feelings. A horror movie giving you a physiological/psychological response (being scared, goosebumps, feelings of dread) is you having a real physical response to something fake, aka watching a horror movie is an artificially induced feeling. But with the internet and content and porn and rage bait and attention grabbing doom scrolling, people aren't experiencing momentary virtual feelings, they are experiencing virtual reality. Warping their perceptions of everything and anything. Fishing is slow. Fishing in a movie/show is fast and exciting and stimulating. The two are radically different, but the fake experience is winning out. But now the experiences are even more stimulating.

>>216046409
Lilo & Stitch was also the cheapest Disney live-action remake to date. These inflated budgets are just Jews paying Jews as the economy tanks.

>>216048210
>>Too much content = choice paralysis.
This is why burn out and comfort/guilt pleasure viewing is so big. Because they push so much fear of missing out (FOMO) anxiety.

>>216046171
>Cinema is in systematic decline
If you mean in theaters, perhaps, but streaming platform profits show that the last 2 years are the opposite of decline.

>>216048065
There are many specific reasons for it with the film industry but the decline of cinema is not specific or unique. It is a complete civilizational phenomenon, we are living in an intense period of cultural collapse. Hardly any good video games are coming out anywhere. The film industry has completely given up on producing anything original and only cares about remaking existing IPs to make a profit, all other movies flop. Hip hop is finally declining but with nothing to take its place besides mediocre Taylor Swift albums. AI slop dominates the internet. Short-form videos are a trillion times more popular than any other form of media and entertainment. The younger generations are barely literate.

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Some boomer still stuck in the 90s decided to pay haggard, walled Julia Roberts $20m in big 2025. This is why everything is considered a flop now. Budgets are out of fucking control.

>>216048420
To my knowledge, only Netflix makes a profit. And the vast majority of original content produced by Netflix is garbage. They have very rarely ever produced anything that is truly great and will be fondly remembered in the future and they’ve had about 15 years to do it so far.

>>216048399
Interesting points here.
Your fishing analogy brings it back to novels.
The novel for decades, ruled Hollywood.
Studios will have to get back to that.
Find the novel that resonates, and go from there. Most of the that box office failures are stand alone scripts with no connection to the audience.
It's through a novel, now with popularity of audiobook and Spotify, you can market, cast a voices and have a novel be the scout to find the audience. When those metrics come back, you then make the movie and have a cultural tie- in.
The problem with the boomer hang up on names like Stephen King is his books aren't written as beat driven stories, so the movies fall when staying true to the book, but the success of past films based on books is undeniable.
Jaws
Shining
Godfather
Harry Potter
Lord of the rings
Etc etc
Studios need to start optioning novels with only 4.7+ stars and go from there. If one studio only did this, they would see profit increase.

Shit economy and a lack of good movies. It's not that hard to deduce. Going to the movies is expensive. Who wants to spend money to go the movies and see something that makes you feel like shit?

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>>216048438
How the film industry used to work
>random comedy movie that no one today remembers
>made for $7 million
>one of the biggest hits of 1989 and made $300 million in theaters, later made much more from home video

How it works today
>adult drama movie where people talk to each other in rooms
>somehow costs $80 million to make
>flops at the box office with $10 million and it’s later revealed the main star was paid $20 million to be in the movie

>>216045589
I enjoyed this movie except for the black wife and mutt child and the dyke participent of the show.
The rest was cool.

>>216048425
>we are living in an intense period of cultural collapse

No we’re not. What you’re describing is just your inability to look anything up for yourself and immerse in what you enjoy because you just expect everything to land in your lap.

And the reason why studios rely on blockbusters and reboots and remakes is the general audiences being like you, they don’t want to bother to go watch anything that isn’t the big thing being advertised. So nothing else expect sequels and familiar IPs make any money. You could support smaller movies and artists but you don’t do that.

>>216048506
What big books haven't they already done though? All the big ones have been adapted. Some more than once.

>>216048506
They still make plenty of adaptations of novels. But the thing is, people don’t want to read. So when you make something you have to spend millions in promotion in hopes that it will generate interest unless you adapt a novel that is already popular and those tend to be shit like Jack Reacher, etc. instead of modern day Hemingway.

>>216048506
>Jaws
It is almost humorous to think that at the time, Jaws and the advent of the blockbuster was considered hollow films devoid of meaning.
>Studios need to start optioning novels
They kind of already do? The problem is so many novels, like comics and other mediums, often feel like someone's failed screenplay. And all the reviews are artificial. Novels barely sell anything and are barely culturally relevant. Only tiny amounts of books hit millions. Most barely break into the tens of thousands. Book culture is just as artificial as anything else these days.

>>216048506
Loads of books get adaptations still. Just not as many car anymore. Some hit like that romance drama movie Deadpool's wife was in, but others don't.

>>216048065
It sucks because of wokeness and forced inclusion in everythingn it creates less involvement and less sincerity.

>>216048563
Most modern writing is shit, anon. Much like movies, things that should be short 150-200 page novellas are 500 page novels because editing doesn't exist anymore and writers are paid by the word.

Aside from that, the trend now is to make miniseries out of books instead of movies. You end up with the same problem as books. Stories that are just too drawn out.

I'd rather watch shitty twitch streams and YT videos than go to the movies now. So I'm part of the problem.

>>216048550
It isn’t about audience demand. In the 70s, audiences were used to watching Westerns and musicals and then suddenly the industry forces hard-hitting dramas on them like The Godfather. And it worked. The 2020s so far have been an astonishingly poor decade for cinema. Even these so-called smaller artistic films being made aren’t very good. How do you expect audiences to watch these mid-budget movies in theaters when they’re barely even being made? Hollywood has trained us to only care about big-budget event movies based on existing IPs.

>>216045589
>COVID

>>216048550
>No we’re not. What you’re describing is just your inability to look anything up for yourself and immerse in what you enjoy because you just expect everything to land in your lap.
NTA but it is really weird how despite having free and near infinite entertainment at our finger tips, people also have intense and weird perception barriers to entry stopping them from doing just that.

I think it is some psychological response to all the problems with how the internet works and how it funnels people. Because people default to patterns so easily and they do act like everything should fall in their lap.

Weirdly I sometimes think the real problem is marketing is dead. They think marketing is the best thing ever now because of algorithms, influencers and the internet. But even when good media is made, its inability to reach the correct audience is staggering. And the audience refuse to meet people half way either.

>>216047669
The Phoenician Scheme also flopped.

Guys, when is the next Marvel movie! I love Marvel movies! And Stur Wurs! They are the best!

>>216048555
Ringworld, Rendezvous with Rama, Elric of Melniboné, Hospital Station, etc. Hell you can grab any of the 100 short stories in X Minus One and adapt any of those into a full blown movie.

>>216048438
>#MeToo movie in 2025
>looks like an awardbait indie movie but it's made by MGM for 80 million $
Bizarro world we're living in.

>>216048409
FOMO is the worst. The MCU was thoroughly mediocre even from the beginning but the gimmicks of team ups and build ups created FOMO that sustained it. Eventually the barrier for entry became larger than the anxiety of missing out and the perceived benefit. Who the fuck wants to watch a bunch of aimless Disney+ shows that maybe connect to a plotline that gets cancelled.

Markerters push that FOMO anxiety, it is why I never bought into Game of Thrones. That all of nothing shit sure works out when people end up with a shitty ending.

I hate how we used to get TV series with 20+ episodes of content, one and done storylines and sometimes overarching plots but now we get 2 hour screenplays stretched into 8 episodes that takes 2-4 years to make. Wholly unsatisfying stuff to try and keep you engaged with editing that makes individual episodes feel awful. It is like videogame DLC in TV show form.

>>216048646
Ringworld would be a massive flop. General audiences don't care about sci fi.

>>216048707
Everyone loves sci-fi and RIngworld has women with feminine mustaches so it's perfect for 202X

>>216048677
you're brown

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Oh look, more 2020s era remakes that no one asked for with marvelslop explosions and video game cutscenes passed off as a movie. I think people in general are beyond fatigued with this shit, I'm certainly not paying money and going to the fucking THEATER to see this and I'll probably get bored and turn it off halfway in when it comes to streaming next week when the studio desperately tries to recoup some losses.

>>216048739
Sorry I insulted Game of Thrones and the MCU, faggot. Keep eating that slop.

>>216048726
Sci-fi is like horror, anon. It has its dedicated fans. Difference is horror can be made for no money while scifi takes serious investment and almost never makes a profit because it's a niche market.

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>>216048555
A big budget Earthsea adaptation could have been the next cinematic LotR. They wouldn't have needed to add "diversity" since the story is already set in fantasy Polynesia or something.
But now it's too late and making good looking movies with good writing is a lost art so what's the point.

>>216048769
>>216048646
Wheel of Time and Rings of Power were so fucking bad. I don't want anyone touching more fantasy/sci-fi.

>>216048769
>the next cinematic LotR
LOL

>>216048765
you don't need a ton of investment for sci-fi especially for something like Ringworld where literally every single living thing on it is some variation of human and the technology level never rose above bronze age because there's literally no resources to mine. Most money you'd have to spend is on costuming and the Puppeteer which you can mostly keep hidden.

>>216048605
It absolutely is about audience demand. Westerns were dying in the 70s. Musicals were also far and few between and tended to flop unlike in the 30s, wtf are you on about.
>But muh Godfather
All Godfather did was make a crime movie in a new fresh way. The cultural shift and tastes had already started to change. You can contribute Godfather to further it but it wasn’t some magic movie that suddenly killed westerns.

There isn’t any demand for mid-budget movies anymore as nobody goes to see them, so they make no money, hence they make less of them as a result because there also isn’t a strong home media market to make your money back on anymore because streaming doesn’t pay those kinds of sums.

>How do you expect audiences to watch these mid-budget movies in theaters when they’re barely even being made?

People should get off their fat ass and support them if they want that and not big budget CGI slop. But they don’t. Instead they just bitch that they don’t want x but then pay 50 bucks to watch it in theatres anyway while ignoring genuinely good and original movies that still get limited releases in theatres.

>>216048677
>I hate how we used to get TV series with 20+ episodes of content, one and done storylines and sometimes overarching plots but now we get 2 hour screenplays stretched into 8 episodes that takes 2-4 years to make. Wholly unsatisfying stuff to try and keep you engaged with editing that makes individual episodes feel awful. It is like videogame DLC in TV show form.
I hate modern miniseries too. Those 20+ episodes were better because of expectation. Maybe this weeks episode is good or average or bad. Who knows. If it is bad, maybe next weeks is better. But now everything is always overarching plots and it relies on getting it all right and who cares anymore.

>>216048769
I dunno that's like saying Green Lantern could have been Star Wars

>>216048550
You are gaslighting yourself and its pathetic

I just don’t see any way we come out of this. How do you fix a culture in which the average child can no longer write an essay, where the average elderly person thinks AI videos of cats firing rocket launchers are real, where the overwhelming majority of new movies are failures and even the successful ones make little cultural impact anymore. I think we just have to accept that the best has already happened. It’s past us. We’re never getting a Lord of the Rings or Dark Knight again. I sort of had a feeling about this after watching Rise of Skywalker in 2019 and immediately realizing that the Star Wars franchise has been ruined; it was all downhill from there for the industry and the world in general

>>216048677
>we get 2 hour screenplays stretched into 8 episodes
yep glad people are wising up to this shit. part of being a competent writer or director is the ability to trim your story down, trim off the retarded shit that adds nothing and come to a conclusion at a reasonable pace. instead we get ten hour stories that go nowhere because they decided to have a different director and writer for every episode with entirely different styles that don't mesh. all so they could all get their greasy fucking fingers on a piece of the pie.

>>216048786
Yeah who needs a huge box office success that keeps drawing people to the theaters every year and will win a lot of Academy Awards, right?

>>216048616
It’s more that everything is so hyper focused and algorithmic that you don’t get exposed to the way you used to do if you just watched TV by flipping channels or listened to the radio. Most of the time you would just want the same shit you already know, but by the amount of time you spent on those mediums you would by accident find something new and different because of the exposure where you had to sit through something due to limited options and live broadcasting.

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>>216045589
edgar wright is a terrible director would be how
>b-but shaun of the dead and hot fuzz
written and ghost directed by simon pegg

>>216048837
it cycles in and out, animation was 0 effort garbage between 1950 and 1985

>>216047669
Black Bag had a 55 million dollar budget? Fine film but holy money laundering, Batman.

>>216046093
Stephen King is free money basically

And everybody running from the man in the USA right now.

>>216048811
Your understanding of how this works is incredibly simplistic. It’s not up to individual people spending their individual dollars to sustain the integrity of art. The decline of cinema and the interests of audiences is a very broad, systematic phenomenon. Many forces are at play. The audience molds the industry just as much as the industry molds the audience. Movies are just not that culturally important anymore. And it’s no surprise that the highest grossing movies in recent years (Minecraft Movie, Inside Out 2) are the ones that actually are culturally popular and discussed beyond the theaters. At the end of the day, how does Hollywood work around The Algorithm? That’s the question they can’t answer yet and it’s why they just play it safe with these ridiculous IP shitfests like Deadpool vs Wolverine.

>>216048840
>trim your story down, trim off the retarded shit that adds nothing
Editing is a dead concept. I think it was Werner Herzog
who ranted about digital and how with film they had a limit but with digital you just keep going and going. Limitations breed creativity.

One of the most bizarre things I find that people criticise is, creative shorthand. People think that creative shorthand is aways a trope. I cannot show a full romance from start to finish so I might show a quick scenes to imply a connection building. But some faggot on social media will act like this is problematic. So then you better have a bunch of superfluous bullshit. Creative shorthand isn't realistic but it exists for pacing reasons.

>>216048861
That’s different. Animation was one medium within a medium. Today we’re talking about the entire enterprise, the whole industry and craft. It has never been in a worse shape. Mind you, there’s a chance that one of the biggest Hollywood studios is about to be bought out by Qatar and Saudi Arabia. This is how bad things have become in this country.

>>216048908
it's even worse in comedy, every comedy shows that was let off its leash by being on cable instantly turned to shit, instantly.

>>216048677
>I hate how we used to get TV series with 20+ episodes of content, one and done storylines and sometimes overarching plots but now we get 2 hour screenplays stretched into 8 episodes that takes 2-4 years to make.

This is just rose tinted glasses talking. Vast majority of tv was garbage even in the past. The difference was that they cancelled shit pretty quickly if the show wasn’t doing good so something might only get five episodes and it’s off the air. Of they would completely change the show while it was still airing. And the one and done episodes would often have filler shit like recap episode consisting mostly of reusing old footage because they were shooting the shows as they aired and had to buy time because they can’t shoot as quickly as they aired. Same reason why they would have annoying hiatus weeks in the middle of season. And you barely had any real storylines (with some exceptions) because the shows were supposed to be basically background noise half the time and you couldn’t expect audiences to necessarily see every episode in order, so you only had few episodes, usually premiere, midpoint and season finales, where something had to actually move the plot onwards only for it to grind to a halt again. And sure, in some shows the weekly random one and done episode worked well. But it was also fucking annoying if you were more interested in the supposed main plot that took years to go anywhere

>>216048850
I just think it is deeper, that people have formed some bizarre perceptions that really stop them from bothering. Maybe it is a result of choice. If you don't like something, there is always another option. But people now always say they are open to try new things but are all stuck in their ways. And sure, people in the past were stuck in their ways too but in a different way. People really just don't want to try.

>>216048922
Allowing corporations to be our cultural custodians really fucked us in the end. They're buying EA too btw not just WB.

>>216048908
It is such an obvious paradox today. Quantity does NOT equal quality. Democratization won’t lead to a million great works of art, it only leads to a million mediocrities. Humans work better with limitations. Back then, everyone thought the internet would make us smarter. The opposite has happened. Younger people can’t even read a book anymore.

>>216048928
people used to schedule their entire week over when a show was airing.

>>216048892
>It’s not up to individual people spending their individual dollars to sustain the integrity of art

It is when your entire industry revolves around making money first, art second. Especially when the industry is struggling to find a new system to finance itself and keep itself profitable. Companies have to go for the lowbrow shit that makes money to keep themselves float when art usually doesn’t even break even. The industry isn’t in a place where it can freely take big gambles and do expensive shit for the sake of art. That’s why you only have handful of directors today who can do the one for you, one for me model and make them both satisfy people who finance movies by generating profit.

>>216048949
I met some autistic dude in a book store the other day that decided all electronic media was evil and he needed to start reading books because he felt something was deeply wrong with short form media he was consuming online.

>>216048555
There is an amazing amount of 4.8+ star books that can be "big" with the studio "soon to be a major motion picture" badge on the front, but they all sit at 10-20k units sold. The studio options, signs with publisher to market and it becomes "big".
Out society is tied to following the herd. Humans wired to do so.
See 50 shades of gray, or twilight....
Not particularly good books, but went stratospheric once the marketing and media got behind it.
This is what the studios need to do, like baseball teams have minor league scouts and players that take years to develop. They have to start looking at the novels 3-4 years in advance and develop the culture, then the movie pops.
Nothing is organic, it's all media and marketing, just studios are run by boomers who don't look 7 years down the road, only the next year or two.

>>216045589
>movie about a global manhunt for 1 guy
>actually fuck you! It’s a movie about a evil corporation oppressing the common joe

>>216048928
>This is just rose tinted glasses talking.
It isn't, I never said old media was perfect. I think it is about expectation. Expectation is the thief of joy. Think about it like that. i watch some old TV show, I know that each episode is like a play in and of itself. My expectations are adjusted. Episodes might be good or bad. The pressure is off. I get an adventure or a plot.

Nowadays a big new show comes out with a long plot and you're pressured to watch it, get into it, there is more content than ever. The expectations are really high. High expectations are harder to please and crash hard too. Plots don't get resolved for multiple seasons and there is no guarantee it'll end well. It is all of nothing. It wasn't a perfect system in the past but it felt like it had less pressure to it.

>>216048958
Yes. On 1-2 primetime shows. While dozens of other shit was airing that they ignored. People weren’t guzzling down all the different hit shows all the time like you do today because you had to settle with whatever you chose to be your show and ignore what was airing at the same time on another channel

>>216045589
>men over 25
>boomer males
fuck you

>>216049024
literally, sweeps week

>>216049005
>It’s about expectations

Then you are choosing to create the problem for your media enjoyment.

>>216045589
Several reasons: the Paramount merger, Wright making the least-Wright kind of film, overblown budget, movie spoiled all locations and action scenes in the trailer to whelm us viewers, Glen not being suited to carry a film as the lead but being better at sharing the spotlight as an antagonist because he's oatmeal on legs, the cop-out ending, bland side-characters, bland bland bland

>>216048859
How was Baby Driver his most successful movie though?

>>216049043
I am not neccessarily saying I choose to be one way or another, I am talking more generally. You're failing to acknowledge that format, content, society, all these factors also form how people consume media. In a pressure cooker environment you experience things differently. People don't necessarily choose these experiences. Much like how the internet has changed the way we perceieve things or communicate. We don't consume media in a vacuum.

arnie carried the original movie as he was the only reason to watch it

>>216048616
You troons are dumb as shit

>>216049055
I think Powell is pretty charming with good charisma. Most of the stuff he is in he outshines the others. Scream Queens, Top Gun, Set it Up, Twisters, Everybody Wants Some, and so on. Glen just needs to bite the bullet and do a big IP movie.

>>216049090
You're a retarded faggot.

>>216049089
Exactly this. Charisma free "generic action man" will never work in a movie like this. The only exception is avatar, but there the heroes are basically the cats and the gay world, so it doesn't entirely count.

The only big IPs that haven't been adapted yet are probably stuff like manga and video games where they have world wide reach. Comics, especially capeshit, and books have all been mined to exhaustion. They no longer have any real cultural impact.

>>216045589
>poor marketing

I see ads for this shit all of the time.

>>216049115
I'd love to see Avatar bomb or get like under a billion so scare Hollywood.

>>216045833
Same thing happened to joker Folie a deux

>>216049140
Berserk movie when?

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>>216049096
I think his charisma shines because he has someone who allows him to set it off, it allows it to be a centre point. In this film, he came across as forced and showed little range: emotionally, he looked the exact same in all his photoshoots (frowny face up and down), and his "fuck you" persona was him working himself up to a somewhat emotional state of frustration and simply yelling (as in the OP pic). It comes across as shallow, and I know he can make his performance look more natural; he simply needs someone to even out with. His presence on the red carpet showed the same issue: the gays stole the show, Glen didn't look like the main lead at his own party, but like a side character playing it safe.

>>216048976
Then why doesn’t every director just learn from Nolan? Why is he the only one who can turn an original screenplay into a hit? What’s stopping these other studios and filmmakers from doing the same? Unless you want to argue that Nolan really is that uniquely, specially good

>>216045589
This movie was mid-kino. As someone who hasn't enjoyed an Edgar Wright movie since the Cornetto trilogy (including Baby Driver,) this movie was straight up ok.

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>>216045589
it was pitched at millenials/zoomers. diversity, screeds about wealth inequality and privilege, then the character rejecting revolutionary communism & anarchism, before signaling 'white pride' as his politics, picrel.

I think what gets me about the culture wars is so many culture warriors basically say they want mid action slop to be back on the menu but when it is offered they never take it.

>>216049187
That is what the book was like. Ben Richards in the book was angry and unlikable until basically all the way through the end until he flew the plane into the TV tower killing everyone.

>>216049195
Directors like Nolan are like top tier QBs in the NFL or NBA super stars. They are just so rare.

>>216049140
manga is just getting re-adapted there's a new animated One Piece show, new Ruroni Kenshin, new Ranma 1/2, etc. And the japs can't to live action for shit, some of the worst acting on the planet.

>>216049179
Fuck off

>>216048908
I think the perfect example of this “limitation breeds creativity” is how Back to the Future was supposed to end with Marty going back with a fridge from a nuclear test site, but this would’ve made the movie go over budget. So they repurposed the Hill Valley town square set and realized they could put a clock on the main building to invoke the time travel themes and had a lightning strike send Marty back. Now the movie ends in a perfectly riveting and tonally consistent way while that nuclear fridge idea was reused in a certain other blockbuster movie that no one likes

>>216049262
I guess the thing is when are these huge Hollywood studios going to throw $150-200 million at these well known manga and video games to adapt into movies. I guess they are starting to do that with Zelda now.

>>216048849
Normies don't know what the fuck earthsea is, retard.

>>216049377
They tried with Dragon Ball and that was 90 minutes of liquid shit.

>>216049413
Nah, that wasn't the same. That was a smaller studio spending $30 million on a IP they had to try and turn a quick profit on it or even keep the IP rights.

>>216049438
It was FOX and Disney owns FOX now so...

>>216049413
That's because DBZ isn't well known outside of zoomers.

Meanwhile broader appeal shit does well. Mario, Sonic. Zelda will make serious bank if it's even remotely decent.

>>216045589
whys a quippy childrens action film rated R?

>>216049447
Fox owned it and distributed it, but it was made by smaller production studios Star Overseas (which is Stephen Chow's company I think) and something called Dune Entertainment III which I never even heard of until now, lol.

>>216046409
Simply put, the amount of people who go to theaters has shrunk, and the amount of times they go per year has shrunk. It doesn't matter if people go see the mega-blockbusters from Disney or WB, the theater is still failing and so is feature release cinema as a whole.

>>216045589
• We've seen The Most Dangerous Game done over and over, ad nauseum
• Richard Dawson >>> Rando DEI
• No Dynamo, No Professor Sub Zero, No Captain Freedom

I didn't think the movie was that bad. I was a little surprised by the reception to it. Though I can see how the ending would turn some off.

>>216049457
>DBZ isn’t well known
Bait, or clueless?

>>216048065
Somewhere in the 90s-00s Hollywood traded practical work for post-production CG and it has informed the entire development process ever since, script up.

This would have made a better TV series. Everything now just works better as TV as going to the theaters takes too much effort.

>>216048908
Hays code made shorthands necessary for innuendos. It became sexier. Low budget noir is full of it

>>216049709
>me and all my 10yo frens loved it!

>>216049195
>Then why doesn’t every director just learn from Nolan?

They are doing that, dummy. Nolan made himself a household name by doing superhero slop after he had created buzz through an acclaimed original movie based on a short story (Memento) and a popular thriller that was a remake (Insomia).

Studios have been hiring people like Nolan for ages now in hopes of capturing that lightning in a bottle. The issue is that you can’t just throw an IP at a director and then expect it to be a hit automatically. There’s no such thing as a guarantee hit. So many of the movies they make this flop or underperform. And then the studios don’t give the director another shot because they want a hit and you just cost them tens of millions by not making this blockbuster a giant hit.

It also takes years of consistent hits for you to build enough of a relationship with a studio to get a deal where you can do a vanity project (which more often than not don’t make money). And even then there’s no guarantees. Look at Nolan jumping ship to another studio to make Oppenheimer after Tenet failed to do Nolan’s usual level of profit and WB wasn’t willing to give him the budget he wanted.

>>216049001
Witherspoon and some first time published authors are doing this. Run a book club for the audience, or movie and book are bundled package sold by agents of the writers for crop platform synergy

>>216049289
The clock is genuinely exciting. It's condensed from real time thrillers like Big Clock

>>216049748
Bait then, presumably

>>216049795
Tell us all about the gen-x and millennials that looooooooved dbz, anon.

You can't. Because it was just you and your retarded zoomer buddies.

>>216049140
They've tried (and failed) before, I just don't think Hollywood understands what makes anime special.

>>216045589
lmao NO ONE wants to see movies anymore
hilarious

>>216049821
I think they are finally starting to take it more seriously and pay more attention now after Demon Slayer made so much money. I think there is going to me a arms race with buying up as much manga/anime/video game IP as they can. A lot of it is going to fail though.

I haven't been to the theaters since 2018. It feels like there is no point when I can just get it on some streamer soon after.

>>216049195
His original stuff are increasingly just copying mid century directors work with his own takes on IMAX and ponderous mix of high concept drama that is just deep enough to not be popcorn shallow. Inception is the truly uniquely him.

>>216049208
He wants white pride with a black wife/kid?

>>216045589
It wasn't a good movie to begin with

>>216049195
Nolan works because he makes blockbusters that are pseudo intellectual which make dumb dumbs feel clever for getting them. Stuff like Inception isn't original but it blew their minds. The reason other directors fail is because they patronise their audience. It's all about tone. People don't want to be talked down to.

>>216049187
If it didn't cost 110m to make, GlenP wouldn't be scrutinized for a poor awkward fit trying to be quippy in dystopia.

>>216047245
Ching Chong Ping Pong 2: $2 B.
Minecraft: Chicken Jockey: $954 M
Lilo & Stitch Photocopy: $946 M
Jurassic Walled: $770 M
MI: Old Lesbian Tom: $562 million.
How to Train Your Dragon Photocopy: $454 M
Captain America: Brave Negro World: $415 M
Negro Vampires: $365 M
The Fantastic Four: Pregnant Girlboss: $362 M
Superman Photocopy: $354 M
People laid their hard earned cash to see stuff like this, since there was nothing better. Now Imagine if there were actually good movies to see.

The trailer sold the movie as an action comedy where a snaky and irony-poisoned protagonist laughs at all the over the top and quirky situations thrown at him.
Basically like every fucking Hollywood movie in the last 10 years. That was an immediate turn off.

I'd rather have a super edgy and melodramatic movie, or a straight up comedy puff that we used to have back in the day than this weird blend with characters that all behave as if they were Chandler from Friends.

>>216049955
you wouldn't enjoy good movies anyway because you're a fucking retard.

>>216049983
>people won't go see stuff if its too similar to other movies recently

and yet >>216049955

>>216049089
I rewatched the original and it felt like a B-movie with A list acting talent. From the first scene where they are trying to push Arnie out of the helicopter he makes it fun with his absurd acting. No one in Hollywood today could sell a scene like that today for some reason.

>>216050013
I haven't seen any of those movies.
The only thing i watched recently was a torrent of Luc Besson's new Dracula and this mostly because i friend of mine complained about the movie nonstop. He's a big fan of the book.

>>216049988
I literally just rewatched Troy (2004), and Clash of the Titans (1981). Sit down, be humble, and listen.

>>216049983
Post irony + DFWallace are to blame

>>216047269
Absolutely incorrect

>>216048979
Zased

>>216050027
>$45M cost
>$25M take
grim

>216047269
This is just a lie that Hollywood keeps repeating. A production company can easily make a good, $10M movie, which can make $50-$100M, a huge return. Happens in horror all the time, but Hollywood is simply too retarded to do things like this anymore.

>>216045589
It’s just kinda weak. The world is in a financial crisis right now and a lot of people don’t wanna spend money on something that might be mediocre or unoriginal. And that’s exactly what it was. Outside of a couple scenes nothing in the movie had that Edgar Wright spark that Hot Fuzz and Shaun of the Dead have, none of that snappy editing. I left the movie wanting it to be grim, a dark comedy approach. As it is despite trying really hard to sell the dystopia it just came off as fake because no one ever really reacted to anything meaningfully. It’ll just join Total Recall in that pile of forgettable post 2010s remakes

>>216049397
Normies didn't know about tons of niche shit either until it broke through the normiesphere.

>>216050016
The Rock could

>>216050040
I rest my case. you want action blockbuster slop which has never been more than a tiny minority of good movies. Clash of the Titans is only remembered for its effects.
a statement like "since there as nothing better" from you doesn't mean anything. you are barely a participent in culture and I doubt you pay much attention to what is being released.