What is the actual reason why Hollywood sucks now? Is it because techbros and moneymen took over and it's impossible to fund anything that isn't capeshit and capeshit-adjacent? (i.e legacy sequels)
>>216047969I really don't know. but it's tiring. Everything is shit now. Budgets get bigger for movies and TV but you just get less.
>>216047969Studios want money. Children and nerdy manchildren are the most lucrative market, so the industry caters to them.
>>216047969DEI and ESG
>>216047969Vidya, TikTok, etc.
>>216048074Trump got rid of those but movies and vidya are still shit (with a very few exceptions)
>>216047969Well you see, in 2008 Barack Hussein Obama became president and he started an illegal money laundering operation through USAID. He used that money to bribe entertainment companies to implement DEI policies.The USAID money hasn’t run out yet.
>>216048068uhh no, women are the most lucrative market, which is why we've seen all brands try to make the push for a female audience.
>>216047969Bad fiscal and monetary policy for decades leading to overall decay as inflation devours quality and forces everyone to compensate.
hollywood's business model relies upon engaging new generations as older generations age out. this stopped in 2007
>>216048091That’s the most insanely stupid thing I’ve heard in a while. Women do not buy merch in the volume men do. It’s not even close.
>>216048083lol no he didn’t. I can’t even get a job in a majority white red state as a white male. Check on linkedin and the companies overwhelmingly still hire non-whites and women.It’s like ICE; they’re gaslighting you
>>216048091women don't buy legos or funko pops, manchildren do
>>216048091worked out great for the star wars sequels
>>216047969White males at the helm fucked it up like they did to the west
>>216047969Poorly made movies from the past that performed well and modern political mandates.
>>216047969Emma. Stone.
Monoculture dying out. Zoomers don't care about celebrity status anymore. Studios (MBAs and managerial class with no vision) don't know how to adjust to this new reality and are throwing anything at the wall.
>>216048134>>216048164>>216048177just because it failed doesn't mean that isn't what they were telling investors that's what they were trying to do
>>216048134Women buy that trash for their children
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>>216048198except they do know how to adjust to the new reality. they just can't, because that means going from a 10-11 figure a year industry to a 7-9, which is a downsize, thus stock crash, they can't survive.
>>216047969Hollywood died like over a decade ago.People keep thinking MCU movies or Netflix were Hollywood when they were literally Hollywood's rivals that were diametrically opposed to the old system.And Hollywood died because at the end of the day it's a venture capitalist endeavour that relied on generating profit, except everything kept bombing. The only things that weren't bombing in the last decade or more was capeshit (not Hollywood), and now even capeshit is bombing.So the producers cut their losses back in the late '00s early '10s and stopped funding shit. The industry slowly morphed itself into MaaS (movies as a service) subscription model under the major digital distributors.
combination of the economy sucking, movie experience coasting an arm and a leg, covid teaching people to stay at home, and younger generation of writers and studios wanting to push an in your face political agenda to promote "the message", you know at least boomers knew the art of subtly and being indirect.
>>216048198>Monoculture dying out.This more than anything. I don't think it's a bad thing because I was always an outsider to the monoculture but obviously it will have some effect on previously cultural institutions.
>>216048181>White males*Anglos
>>216048237your entire post is inane senseless prattle but this bit is especially funny>he producers cut their losses back in the late '00s early '10s and stopped funding shitconsidering budgets are higher than ever.
>>216048074>ESGwhat does the asian seasoning have to do with hollywood?
Internet killed culture
>>216048282its an investment scheme by asset management firms, lead by blackrock, where they buy just enough stock that a selloff would trigger a crash, and then begin dictating what is in movies.
>>216047969Nearly everyone that worked on any "classic" film you can think of has retired or aged out of the business.
woke hires was a big part of it but also they dont give creators freedom to make more creative and original works because of the risk of it not producing a big enough profit, but it is true viewers arent going out to see movies as much which is a cultural issue but I think its also because its so goddamn hard to survive financially that people wont put up the 30+ dollars to go see a movie, I certainly can't afford it I'm trying to support a family and whatever money I have on the side goes to affording my crippling substance addictions (vicious cycle because its to cope with poverty)
>>216047969Because of cuckolding and actresses being whores
>>216048279Nah you and OP are just confused and think every movie that comes out in America = Hollywood.Disney movies of which MCU belongs is not Hollywood, it's Hollywood's rival, which is why the Academy were loathe to promote MCU movies at the awards for over a decade and only did so begrudgingly/in a subdued fashion. Even the LOTR trilogy isn't "Hollywood", they were also begrudgingly promoted and were outsiders as anyone who remembers the 2002 Academy Awards would tell you, and the Academy only relented when it became clear what a megahit the trilogy was becoming.Netflix I don't even have to go into details again. Hollywood refers to a very precise group of production companies in LA that do not include Disney nor Netflix. Nowadays the venture capitalists have integrated into the Netflix ecosystem, but Hollywood died for it to happen.
>Avatar>introduce new blue aliens>do it again=WHOA BILLION DOLLARS 11!!!111!1
>>216048374>every movie that comes out in America = Hollywood.hollywood is specifically the big studios sinking 8-9 figures on movies. not sure what made you think anyone thinks otherwise.
>>216048415Exactly. That's why I said it died over a decade ago. Take away Disney and Netflix movies which are not Hollywood and you're left with nearly nothing.The only actual major Hollywood movies/directors (that didn't take the netflix pill) of the last two decades can be counted on one hand.JOKER?Quentin Tarantino stuffChristopher Nolan stuffRidley Scott stuffAvatarAnd that's it.
>>216048509>take away [hollywood studios] which are not hollywoodyou're a utter fuckwit.
>>216048541Disney was never a Hollywood studio, no.Disney is as old as Hollywood and developed in a parallel ecosystem.Hollywood refers specifically to 6 studios run by Jewish execs who fled to California following Thomas Edison's persecution and their offshoots. Hollywood has always been at odds with Disney too.By the early '00s Hollywood was already on life support essentially and had sort of coalesced around and been subsumed by Harvey Weinstein and his company.Watch the Hollywoodism documentary on youtube.
>>216048594you keep repeating yourself but you're not actually saying anything, because you have no real argument as to why disney is not hollywood.
>>216048654Disney isn't Hollywood because Hollywood doesn't mean "big production company based in LA", Hollywood refers specifically to the "big 6" Jewish execs that set up shop in LA fleeing Thomas Edison's persecution and their offshoots.Disney started off as an animation studio by Disney, who was not jewish and was old as the big 6 and not an offshoot or even in the same ecosystem until relatively recently.
>>216048749>disney isn't hollywoodderanged
>>216048749Correction, big five.Hollywood is:Paramount Pictures, Warner Bros., 20th Century Fox, Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer (MGM), and RKO Radio Pictureand the modern companies they were acquired by and helped create.>>216048759Disney isn't for the multiple reasons I already gave. Disney was a contemporary of the Hollywood companies. If it wasn't considered Hollywood back in the 1920s why would it be considered Hollywood now?
>>216048749you really need professional help
>>216048812You haven't answered my question.>wikipediaOnly good for a general knowledge with many historical inaccuracies, Disney being considered Hollywood just because it eventually found itself in the same ecosystem notwithstanding.
>>216048824>the biggest hollywood studio isn't hollywood because... IT JUST ISN'T OKAY GOD ANSWER MY QUESTIONthe only reason you could be devoted to this nonsense would be an attempt to imply disney isn't dying the way the rest of hollywood is. despite the fact disney is dying the same slow death, due to their failure to engage youth demographics since 2007.
>>216048860It isn't. In fact if you read the history section of that wikipedia article it only mentions Disney in an unrelated sentence.Disney never was Hollywood, ot was a sepaeate entity as large as Hollywood and the "induction" so to speak occurred during a time when Hollywood proper was already dying.
>>216048860And no, the fact Disney is not Hollywood is precisely why only Disney is still alive pumping out big budget movies.Disney has always been bigger than Hollywood. It's literally a global company with theme parks all over the world and wildly popular in places like China and Japan. It literally has its own digital distribution platform too. In that sense it's completely insulated from and divested from the decline of major movie productions.What does Hollywood have? I guess Universal Studios (owned by comcast which isn't really Hollywood either).
I miss when Hollywood was controlled by high IQ Jews who actually know how to make good movies instead of browns and lesbians
In my country there are india films among the selection at the cinemas...It's not like this, everywhere right?
>>216047969according to guys like vince vaughn for the longest time studios would make stuff figuring they would make their money back on airing on tv and vhs/dvd sales. a lot of mid budget kinos were made based on dvd sales. then the DVD market dried up for streaming so now they switched to the international market and you are super limited by what story you can tell/what movie you can make because it has to translate and because they are spending so much on this slop it's all made by committee focus group garbage based on existing IPs. Like you couldn't made dodgeball today because, even though dodgeball made a ton of money in theaters, you couldn't sell it in belerus or wherever ever the international boxoffice is
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>>216047969You pretty much covered it. Basically every 'big' film has to be kid-friendly for maximum value. Hence endless capeshit, et al.
>>216049150caspere knew this
>>216049178i-is this sum oc ??
>>216048149>It’s like ICE; they’re gaslighting youthe number of foreign borns dropped in the US in 2025 for the first time in decades. ICE is based and works
>>216047969Its being dismantled.
>>216047969>Is it because techbros and moneymen took over Yes, that is the reason. Fucking moron
Hollywood began dying in the 00s with the rise of home media, went into a hospice in the 10's because of streaming, and was finally killed off by COVID when normies realized they can get their slop at home. Hollywood worked when movies were a big thing. Now you can watch them while you shit. It's over.
>>216048384There are currently two Avatar movies, about to be a third. You can't explain the rest of Hollywood with this.
>>216048594they fled to California because they were criminals who stole from Edison and they could either leave or get arrested.
>>216047969>Nepotism>inflated theater prices>streaming wanting quantity over quality>Hollywood accounting where budgets are bigger than ever but movies look stupidly cheap
the average person wants slop and the global expansion of the film industry to india and china massively increased the pool of consumers which brings the industry even closer to the average.
>>216049150This is correct. Matt Damon explained it on Hot Ones of all places. https://youtube.com/shorts/QlWb4vjaJBI?si=2An2VS0sS0YF-u-v
