holy fucking shit
Tell me why you couldn't do this in reality
>>216049486they already explained in the movies retard, they said it was a 1 in a million chance move
>>216049460I had my head in my hands when this happened in the cinema RIP George
>>216049503But lightspeed skipping is not?
>>216049486Because space isn't real(dont ask its worse then you can imagine, heres a hint lovecraft is disclosure)Light speed is impossible for matter And teleportation and slow moving cityships make more sense.
>>216049503Thats a movie.What about reality?
>>216049503>somehow palpatine returned>i..its one in a million chanceit's crazy how much damage control needed to be done just for one movie
>>216049460THE FILM HAS BEEN OUT FOR FUCKING YEARS STOP USING CAMRIPS
>Target is directly ahead and not moving>Target is also pretty fucking big>Somehow moving in a straight line towards said target is a one in a million shot
>>216049981I think the idea is that there's a small window where the ship is going fast but not yet in hyperspace (essentially a different dimension) and it's difficult to get that window to align with another object.Either way having your plan rely on a one in a million event is retarded
>>216049941I have only ever glimpsed the camrip version, because that's little it mattered.
>>216050218That's what happens with a lady Admiral in charge, I guess. Seems pretty racist and homophobic if you really think about it.
>>216049460>American cinemas had to put signs out at the counter warning people that the no sound during this scene was intentionalSad!
>>216049591>light speed is impossible>teleportation ishmm really activates the old almonds based schizo ty
>>216049460It is a cool idea. The problem is its implications. As has been repeated a million times, it asks the questions of why it hasn't been done before. It asks the second question of why not just use hyper drives as weapons if they are so destructive. Saying it's a "one in a million" move is a handwave and a bad one.
>>216050314Proof? You'd have to be beyond retarded. I can understand if the scene was completely silent, that would be bad editing. But it's not. It has a light hum, and it doesn't last long before it crescendos. It's clearly intended and I don't see how anyone could make that mistake in theaters.If they did, I bet it was a precipitous decision by theater owners because they assumed people were that stupid. God I hope so.
>>216049460ROUGE ONE HAS THIS EXACT SCENE YET VADERS SHIP ISN'T DESTROYED.WHYWHYWHY
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>>216050412>all sound stops for 10 full secondsBut that's blatantly falsehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2hM1tyEL0UThere is sound. Unless that was changed later.
>>216050432They likely just said it to keep it as simple as possible for the masses
>>216050314I remember I heard someone say "what the fuck?"during that silence lol
>>216050484It baffles me that people can be so completely and utterly retarded. Even if you were not aware that there was no sound in space, the hum and sudden explosive sound would make it evident of the intent. If it was complete silence, it would suggest possible audio issues. But there is clearly sound, and in the cinema it would have been vibrating and loud.I hate the human race. Shitty movie all the same, but people are fucking dumb.
>>216049917That's what you get for making movies for autists
why didn't they just install speed traps?
>>216050505>It baffles me that people can be so completely and utterly retardedWhy? Those people go to the movie theatre to watch modern Star Wars. If that's not retarded, I don't know what is.t. retard whose last visit to the movies was SW 8
>>216049503>actually admiral purplehead wanted to flee and leave everyone in escape pod ready to be killed>just by sheer accident she crashed into the other ship>disregard the empire officer immediately knowing what she wanted to do and acting panickedHow is this in any way better?
>>216049503why is it a 1 in a million chance move>uhhh it just is okay
>>216049941This garbage doesn't deserve high quality webms.
>>216050770>why is it a 1 in a million chance movebecause they had to rely on the chance that the entire crew of every interdictor in the armada was slacking on the job and forgot to enable their lightspeed blockers.
>>216050860>picthat's nuts
>>216050392Cuz I got the Force you little fedoratard.
>>216049460Too simple and obvious, it's like someone carrying a gun for six movies and only realizing they can use it at the end of the last movie. If this is possible in SW it should have been used since the start.
>>216050860The only thing I still use from Star Wars is describe women with huge breasts as having “gravity well projectors” in my Discord ERP.
>>216051748The only cream of kino left is Dead Space.
>>216049460Yeah this is dumb as hell, but the bigger issue for me was the "story" with Poe and that general was basically a ripoff of that plotline in the Thrawn trilogy where Iblis is worried about Mothma consolidating too much power to herself. These fags act like they hate the expanded universe but the sequel trilogy is filled with little things like this that are obvious lifts from it
>>216051748>No mass effect or gears>Dead spaceBad bait
star wars was always dumb crap for children, who cares
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>>216051813Or Byss and the Galaxy Gun actually being that one planet and a thousand galaxy Star destroyers.
>>216050320Prove he's wrong?
>>216051853Yup I'm genuinely surprised they didn't fit the noghri in there somehow given their obsession with fascist oppression
>>216051890The Noghiri are, unironically, too complicated both visually and societally for the smoothbrains at Disney to comprehend. There’s a reason every NuSpecies looks like an off-brand Vogon.
>>216049503Didn't Laura Dern veto Oscar Isaac's plans specifically because they were "bad odds"?
>>216051748Erm... *holds up spork*... well that was awk-ward
It’s strange how one in a million actually means one in two.
>>216049460from the still picture I though it was one of those union-busting auschwitz-express squids from The Matrixnow i'm disappointed
>>216051815this anon is right >>216051748the original Gears of War was THE kino game, nothing ever came out beforetook balls of gears to pull that offbioshock might have won kino awards but it came out 1 year later and strated WE WUZ-ing from the get-go, even though what it didn't copy from GoW it copied from NOLF
>>216049888Did you know there are no sounds in space. When the orig trig came out were you crying about that? Fucking manchild lol
>>216049460Yep, killed Star Wars for me. Good job Disney, good job.
>>216051796it went rotten spoiled with Dead Space 3.
>>216049503calling people retards on chans
>>216050432>>216050505I watched the movie in a theater and relative to the normal sound level I genuinely never noticed that rumbling at all. My memory is that it was completely silent in the theater.
>>216052216Off youre on here, the retard is implied
>>216049486>in realityIt contradicts the established Star Wars universe's logic. The hyperspace and real space don't intersect so it's impossible to hit something using FTL. It also contradicts the previous movies indirectly because this would make the FTL engines extremely regulated and there would be no need to build a giga "planet destroyer" Death Star.
>>216052915>The hyperspace and real space don't intersect so it's impossible to hit something using FTLThen why does the ship computer have to calculate a safe trajectory before jumping to hyperspace? Why can't ships enter hyperspace while being physically blockaded? I know that EU autists decided on this whole "hyperspace tunnel" thing, but it doesn't actually line up with how things play out in the original movies.
>>216050383>I bet it was a precipitous decision by theater owners because they assumed people were that stupidthere is a 100% chance that someone complained about it at an early screening and they were forced to create warnings. i think you're overestimating the intelligence of the average theatergoer
>>216053010These are franchisetards that accept every stupid addition to lore unquestionably. It's now infected predator and they're calling predators yautja some bullshit just because some faggot in a comic said so.
>>216053010Not himIn EU, planets and other high-mass objects have a mass shadow that extends into hyperspace and fucks with hyperdrives, which causes ships to be pulled out of hyperspace if they come into contact with them. They're larger than the planet, so there's a radius where it's unsafe or impossible to activate the hyperdrive around every planet.The idea behind the blockade in episode 1 is to physically guard the boundary ships would have to cross in order to be able to activate their hyperdrive.Disney wars doesn't give a fuck though, they already broke any rules hyperspace supposedly had in episode 7 before making a compete mockery of it in episode 9.
>>216053234Oh, so nothing in hyperspace can collide with anything in normal space, except for the things that can because we have to make exceptions to our gay autismo rules in order to keep them in line with what actually is presented in the movies? There are no words strong enough for how much I hate the EU and its autistic apologists.
>>216053295I do not care
>>216053314The one thing I agree with is that it should have been more difficult to do the lightspeed ram. Make it require overriding several layers of security, make it so that droids can't do it because of survival programming, make it so there had to be multiple people on board coordinating the effort. When someone brings up lightspeed ramming, don't just casually say it's a one in a million shot, get PISSED at that person for suggesting a SUICIDE BOMBING. There are ways you could make it work, they just didn't do any of them.
>>216049486Because when you 'jump to lightspeed' you aren't actually accelerating, you're entering an alternate dimension and traveling normally. The ship wouldn't collide at lightspeed (or actually several hundred or thousands of time lightspeed given they can cross a galaxy edge to edge in two weeks), it would be like if you rammed it normally.It also has a similar impact as introducing time travel to a setting, where it becomes the de facto solution to every problem. Those X-Wings on drone pilot could have just jumped into the death star and at least destroyed the main weapon, why bother with the one in a million shot and lose pilots too? Why not just hyperspace an old ship into echo base? It's setting breaking. People who aren't good at thinking and have no inner monologue don't care about that stuff, but for humans it is off putting.
>>216049460Why didn't they do that to the death stars?
>>216053468>Because when you 'jump to lightspeed' you aren't actually accelerating, you're entering an alternate dimension and traveling normally.Except that's not even true in the movies, it's made up EU bullshit: >>216053010You wouldn't need a clear path from start to end if you were just instantly teleporting into an alternate dimension.
the last jedi was the best of the sequels and that's the part that really hurts
>>216053544This is a good example of the 'people who aren't good at thinking' I mentioned.Teleporting into an alternate dimension doesn't mean you are teleporting in a stationary manner. The DeLorean still needs to move and can't crash into something in order to jump back and forth in time, that doesn't mean it's traveling in a straight line from 1985 to 1885.And no, an alternate dimension isn't from the EU, that's why hyperspace is, that's why it is called HYPERspace, to differentiate it from regular space. This is a consequence of you being low IQ and never thinking about anything, and so these things are mystery to you until a character looks directly into the camera and says "by the way audience, HYPERspace isn't normal space, when we jump INTO hyperspace, we are jumping INTO some thing other than regular space"They plot a course, accelerate at max sublight velocity, enter a new dimension where traveling at this velocity places them closer to their real-space destination, and they exit, the ship's actual velocity never hits 2000 C.
>>216053594https://youtu.be/j0GZ3qSV9s0>Travelling through hyperspace ain't like dusting crops, boy. Without precise calculations, we'd fly right through a star or bounce too close to a supernova and that'd end your trip real quick, wouldn't it?
>>216049460Visions > this slop
>>216052205Dead space 3 is awesome and you have no friends
>>216053676Another good example of people who aren't good at thinking. You can't understand the difference between "moving" and "moving at faster than light". Flying through a star is bad at any velocity, it has nothing to do with velocity. The sequence of events is you enter an alternate dimension, HYPERspace, you travel at the same velocity you normally travel at, you exit this alternate dimension, and you find you have actually traveled much further in real space than you otherwise would have. But at no point are you traveling so fast that you just cross the galaxy in two weeks on pure acceleration. And so any ramming attack made by jumping into hyperspace wouldn't be any worse than a normal ramming attack. The entire scene is poorly thought out by retards such as yourself who have the barest level of surface understanding of things they saw fifteen years ago and barely remember and never really thought about.
>>216053823The point is that objects in hyperspace definitely do collide with objects in normal space, which is why you have to make sure the entire path from beginning to end is clear. On top of that, you can see that ships which enter hyperspace do in fact accelerate to speeds much higher than they would ever attain on their normal thrusters. You're getting so caught up on the semantics of the literal speed of light when none of that matters.The only things that matter are: 1. Ships can collide with objects in real space during hyperspace travel, and they have to calculate a completely clear path in order to avoid that.2. Ships entering hyperspace accelerate at significantly higher rates than they ever could normally. Put these two things together and you get the idea that a ship in or entering hyperspace colliding with another ship in real space would be devastating for both of them.
>>216053926>The point is that objects in hyperspace definitely do collide with objects in normal spaceI agree, that's not a point of contention for me. It's the portrayal of doing it in conjunction with hyperspace as a super weapon, portraying it as a lightspeed collision. It's not how hyperspace works or was ever portrayed as working, and it just breaks the setting. "Why doesn't everyone just use time turners" for Star Wars. It isn't that collision is impossible, it's that they're portraying the collision as extra powerful for nonsense reason because people behind the camera didn't understand the setting, didn't care, and just wanted to fag out.
>>216054025You're wrong about ships in hyperspace traveling at normal speed, though. They literally call it lightspeed travel in the original movies. You use hyperspace for lightspeed travel, this is even made clear in the clip I posted before. Hyperspace isn't some distance-closing wormhole, it's a space in which you can defy physics to travel faster than you ever could in normal space. There's a reason that the effect from inside the cockpit shows stars blurring into lines and the outside shots of ships entering and exiting hyperspace shows them instantly accelerating into or decelerating from incredibly high speeds.
>>216054133>You're wrong about ships in hyperspace traveling at normal speedI'm not. There is nothing in the films to suggest otherwise, hyperspace isn't regular space, that's why they call it hyperspace. You don't climb into a fighter jet and "jump into supersonic space", you just accelerate. That's clearly not what they're doing. You can look at hyperspace and visibly see it isn't regular space, they're in a tunnel, it's not a visual effect one would ever associate with just going fast in a straight light. Hyperspace IS some distance closing wormhole, it always has been, it is a dimension that intersects with and interacts with regular space, but where distance can be covered much faster. That's what it is, always was, it isn't from the books, it's from watching the movies and thinking.
>>216054184>it's from watching the movies and thinking.It's from selectively thinking about how you want something to be while ignoring everything that disagrees with your idea. The type of travel done in hyperspace is lightspeed travel, there's a reason these terms are separate. The reason it's called "jumping" to lightspeed is that the acceleration is nearly instantaneous, as opposed to something like a fighter jet that does have to accelerate at normal rates over long distances to reach supersonic speeds.
>>216049503>1 in a million chanceDoes it also mean that reaching the right destination is a one a million chance?
if it's no trouble can someone tell me what this scene is from? It looks like it's from a newer star wars but I avoided those after the first one so not sure
>>216054291The real answer should be "we don't send our friends on suicide bombings."
>>216054280>while ignoring everything that disagrees with your ideaNothing disagrees with it, you're just not thinking and then acting like your half understood gibberish is in the movies. It is a tunnel, it has always been a tunnel, it is not consistent with 'go real fast'. The idea of hyperspace as an alternate dimension is supported by the language and terms used, the visuals used, and is simply the most simple answer to how they avoid relativity effects, why they care about a death star when every x-wing would need a reactor generating more power than every star in the galaxy, etc. The idea that they're just accelerating really fast is something you get from dullards who don't think about anything. We can restate this another 10,000 times if you want, and this will still be true at the end of it. When Han jumps INTO hyperspace, he isn't just mashing the gas pedal really hard.
ok yeah it is from star wars, and its just as retarded as I figured it would be
>>216049486Because hyperspace and real space are two different places. Otherwise you would already have hyperspace weapons in a 8000 years old galactic society.
>>216054319It's from The Last Jedi, a Star Wars movie made by a faggot about running out of gas. The not-rebel fleet is being chased by the not-imperial fleet, and they're running out of gas, so they send a basketball player and a math club student to Las Vegas to free the slaves and get some gas. Eventually the president of rebel HR decides to just turn the ship around and ram the enemy fleet at 2,000 times the speed of light, which instantly destroys all of them (but not the solar system or the ships a few miles away despite being the most energetic event in the universe) and nobody ever thought of doing it before or since because something-something-safety-overrides as though the emperor couldn't build a guided hyperspace missile without safety droids.
>>216054392>8000 years old galactic society25,000+ years just for the republic, which means hyperspace travel and communications have existed for way longer when you think of how long it would take to organize everyone into a one-state galactic government. The galaxy is so old that their ancient myths have hyperspace travel.
>>216053468Thats not reality though
>>216054453No, because Star Wars is fiction, but within that fiction this is how Star Wars works and has always worked, regardless of what simplistic dullard head canon some other midwit came up with.
>>216054417I stand corrected. But the galactic society being 25,000 years old simply reinforces my point even further that hyperspace weapons would have already been a thing. Same with hyperspace tracking (a just as big if not even bigger asspull plothole)
>>216049486Hyperspace isn't real space. It's right there in the name. >>216054471Disney went out of their way to shit all over cannon. The writers hated the fan base m8, did everyone forget about that?
>>216054359>When Han jumps INTO hyperspace, he isn't just mashing the gas pedal really hard.Yes, both of these things can be true. Entering hyperspace causes you to immediately accelerate into lightspeed. You literally see such acceleration on screen when they jump, and in scenes where ships are shown coming out of hyperspace they're shown to instantly decelerate from extremely high speeds as well. Travelling through hyperspace makes you move at lightspeed, leaving hyperspace forces you back to normal speed.>>216054392And yet you have to plot a clear course to avoid running into real space objects while in hyperspace: >>216053676
>>216054495Yeah, I agree. Sometimes the best way to evaluate how something works/whether something works in a fictional setting is to just look at it and see what people are actually doing. If hyperspace ramming works, why isn't anyone using it? The best and only answer is "it doesn't work".
>>216049486Reality doesn't matter. The lore already established that you can't do this. The effective strategy is capital ships and WW2 fighter planes in space. If you want to do a scene like this you have to establish it as some kind of superweapon. Not just a normal hyperdrive activation.
>>216054553>If hyperspace ramming works, why isn't anyone using it?Because most people aren't suicidal enough to override the safety features that prevent it.
>>216054550>Entering hyperspace causes you to immediately accelerate into lightspeedIt does not. Moving at the speed of light, it would take you multiple YEARS to go from Earth to the nearest neighboring star. The idea of simply accelerating to C is ridiculous, but the reality of hyperspace speeds makes it even more so.The idea of simple acceleration is not compatible with the language used to describe galactic travel, it isn't compatible with the visuals, it isn't compatible with the energy requirements, the lack of time dilation, the way the setting is oriented around WW2 battleship and fighter battles and not hyperspace missile barrages. It just doesn't work, it's the result of a kid watching a movie and seeing "they go fast!" and thinking about it in the simplest possible terms.Hyperspace as an alternate dimension is clearly the intention, and it's the only answer that works with how it is depicted on screen with the single sole exception of TLJ, which is one reason of many that TLJ is shit from an african's ass.>>216054583That's a nonsense answer that again comes from people who can't think for fifteen seconds. You don't want to suicide ram? Okay, great, stick it on a guided missile. Why isn't anyone doing that? You have a big auto pilot durasteel block with a hyperdrive on it, it rams any planet at 2,000 C and smashes it to bits, no Death Star required. Naboo could clear the entire Trade Federation blockade with just a few missiles. Why isn't anyone doing this? "Because they can't, because it doesn't work" is the only viable answer.
>>216054553It's why the TLJ script is amateurish 10th grade level. Like me and my friends literally used to do what this movie does when roleplaying in grade school.>"My character can phase through walls and turn invisible">"Well my character has an invisibility detector and his base is made of anti phase material."
>>216054652>Moving at the speed of light, it would take you multiple YEARS to go from Earth to the nearest neighboring star.Star Wars takes place a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away. So not only would the universe not have expanded as much as it has today, their galaxy could just be smaller and more compact than ours in the first place.
>>216054744If you're at the point where you'd rather pretend the galaxy was smaller and the speed of light was slower than just acknowledge that hyperspace isn't regular space and is something you enter and exit, I don't know what else to tell you. I find it more reasonable to just listen to what the film says and see what it shows and think about these things logically, but if other people find it easier to reimagine the universe and the physics that govern it top to bottom then more power to them I guess.
>>216054801>just acknowledge that hyperspace isn't regular space and is something you enter and exitI have acknowledged that several times over at this point. When you enter hyperspace, you begin traveling at lightspeed. Hyperspace is a separate place where you can travel faster than normal physics allows, but also not so separate that you can't collide into objects in normal space. You're the only one who keeps trying to say it must be one thing or the other. Everything I've said comes straight from the dialogue or visuals of the original movies.
>>216054400I've seen TLJ but I don't get the "running out of gas" reference. Granted I forgot most of the movie by now.
>>216050505>evidence Well, there's your problem. You believe that the average person is capable of empiricism to any extent
gifs are so much more soulful than webmstumblr with sex gifs and cool aesthetic images was peak internet
>>216049888R-bombs are a real thing. The issue is that it ruined Star Wars. Whats the point of the trench run if you can accelerate a rock at the Death Star? Whats the point of the Death Star?
/tv/ jokes, but my packed theater absolutely lost their shit at this moment. I couldn't hear the next scene because everyone (myself included) turned into a pack of wild monkeys.
>>216054874I've never said you can't collide, just that you won't collide as though you were traveling at that speed because you aren't, it isn't possible and nothing we observe indicates that. If they were traveling at lightspeed then every X-Wing would have a reactor capable of destroying Alderaan a hundred times over, there would be time dilation, etc. It's a question of relative perspective, the ships speed and momentum from it's own frame of reference never exceeds it's normal sublight top cruising speed, and can't, it's why when you see everyone drop out at Endor they all resume their previous cruise speed because from their frame they never stopped.And again, it just comes down to observing the setting and landing on the answer that best describes and fits that setting - the bottom line is that if a hyperdrive fitted to an object allowed that object to strike another not with sublight momentum and energy, but with the kind of momentum and energy that allows one to cross the galaxy in weeks, then the entire setting would be different. The WW2 battles and the super weapons and all that would just be asinine. If we have a setting where everyone finds it useful to have ships and fighters and super weapons that destroy planets are seen as marvels then things like this need to fit that. My answer does, and the TLJ answer doesn't.
>>216055061My packed theater was mostly silent aside from some coughing (the old couple in front of me) and some loud farting (me)
>>216055061I remember my theater laughing hysterically at the leia poppins scene.
>>216054550>You literally see such acceleration on screen when they jump, and in scenes where ships are shown coming out of hyperspace they're shown to instantly decelerate from extremely high speeds as well.The ships don't need to accelerate for this effect. Alcubierre drive is irl hypothetical solution to FTL. Though alcubierre drives bring their own problems, like releasing massive amounts of energy based on the time spent in the warped geometry.
>>216055061>turned into a pack of wild monkeys.Astronautslookingatearth.jpg
This entire thread could be solved by a single teacher just folding a piece of paper and punching a hole in it with a pencil.
>>216054929"Running out of gas" Another junior high level asspull the movie invents just to get out of the corner it wrote itself into.
>>216054929I've not watched it since I saw it in a theater and I don't plan to ever see it again, but as I recall they were running at the speed of smell from the imperial fleet, and a big plot point was they were literally running out of gas, I think that's why they ended up on not-Hoth.
>>216054652>Why isn't anyone doing that? You have a big auto pilot durasteel block with a hyperdrive on it, it rams any planet at 2,000 C and smashes it to bits, no Death Star required.The funny thing is that it doesn't matter if it's 1 o 2000 since a little grain accelerated to lightspeed hitting another piece of matter would release infinite energy and obliterate the entire universe.
>>216055154I believe was a plot point in Spaceballs, the original of which this is a copy.
>>216055061>>216055107In the theater during the camel chase scene I remember getting that sinking feeling in my stomach I always get when I slowly realize an anticipated movie is bad and I have the urge to leave or turn the movie off. I got that same feeling during the David Harbour Hellboy movie during the wrestling match and I simply turned it off. But I was at the theater for TLJ and stayed out of some sense of loyalty to the franchise. Like at the time it would be considered sacrilege to walk out of a Star Wars movie. Like completely unthinkable. How times have changed.
>>216055282kek
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>>216055050So you can do the Holdo maneuvre in reality?Great, thanks
>>216055068All you're doing is bending over backward to try to make everything make sense in a real world theoretical physics way that was never considered by the actual original writers of the original movies.
>>216053010Not him but the reason it contradicts SW lore is because there are shield technologies that counteract FTL projectile attacks which are common and installed on anything bigger than a one man fighter. Even if it had nothing to do with established lore it's insulting because if FTL projectile attacks are a possibility then why didn't the rebels just blow up the Death Star that way instead going to the trouble of the trench runs? You don't even have to do a suicide attack. You can accelerate to hyper speed, release a payload while in motion and then stop before impact and inertia does the rest of the work.
>>216049460reminds me of this
>>216055469Holy fuck how do you even survive that? Those big planes dont have ejector seats right? Youd have to already have your parachute on I guess?
>>216055317I had the same feeling, I had driven about an hour to see it in a nice theater (no basketball players) and I really thought about just leaving.>>216055451I'm not bending over backwards, my explanation fits the author's intention and fits the setting as depicted. The core problem with your version isn't even physics, it remains that it's just incompatible with the Star Wars we see. My version allows for a world where Star Destroyers and X-Wings and Death Stars make sense, and your version makes all of those things senseless. You version whittles the entire setting down to a series of shoulder shrugs and just being forced to assume that everyone everywhere is a retard for tens of thousands of years.
The worst part of the film is the idea that 13 rebels in old speeders can take on 13 AT-ATs
>>216055469>DEM WYTE FOLX JUST CRASHED
>>216055317Love how zoomers are realizing what gen xers felt when Phantom Menace came out.
>>216049503>they said it was a 1 in a million chance moveSo why did they even bother to attempt it?
>>216050428>>216050412wowpeople are fucking retarded
>>216055467Those are all valid questions that don't change anything about the fact that it does work within the rules stated and shown in the original movies. What you need to realize is that the Star Wars movies are not carefully crafted hard sci-fi movies overseen by a team of NASA scientists and theoretical physicists, they're sci-fantasy movies written by a bunch of laymen who just kept saying, "Wouldn't it be cool if...?1970s:>Space is huge! How do we get around that? >Wouldn't it be cool if every ship could fly at lightspeed and get everywhere really fast?>Okay, but how could we still make space chase scenes with tension if everyone can just fly away at lightspeed?>Oh, I know! Wouldn't it be cool if they had to do a bunch of calculations and also warm up the hyperdrive so that it would be really difficult to do under pressure?>That makes sense! After all, flying that fast they might run into something so they'd have to plan a clear route!2020s:>Let me explain to you all the ways in which Star Wars hyperdrive technology counteracts relativistic effects and how the different frames of reference between the ships and their destinations.......You know why time dilation and relativistic effects aren't a problem? BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T FUCKING THINK ABOUT THOSE THINGS AT ALL! They're traveling at lightspeed, that means they go super fast and arrive at their destination sooner. End of story, that's the end of the thought they put into that shit. Anything else is post-hoc EU-tier Wookieepedia autistic garbage.
>>216050218>essentially a different dimensionThen why do they need astrogation charts if there's no chance of crashing en route to their destinations?
>>216055623>take on 13 AT-ATsNotice how they didn't win? It was a delay tactic.
>>216055595>You version whittles the entire setting down to a series of shoulder shrugs and just being forced to assume that everyone everywhere is a retard for tens of thousands of years.Yeah, that's the consequence of writers not thinking things through all the way and then later writers coming in and exploiting the holes left by the original writers with no thought to the greater implications. It works in the established rules, for some reason you just refuse to accept that Star Wars isn't some perfectly thought out flawless thing.
>>216055580>Watching pic related where a camera crew is on a bomber>See another bomber going down in a spin>Bomber crew is talking, "come on guys, get out, get out.">They're counting chutes, "there's one coming out of the bomb bay.">They only count 4/10 of the other plane's crew.>Complete deadpan because they're trained and lectured not to yell on the intercom.>Notes mention they lost a cameraman who was on another bomber.
>>216055698The idea that they weren't all completely blasted to smithereens was worse to me than the OP webm
>>216051748that shit best be called gaylo
>>216055725>for some reason you just refuse to accept that Star Wars isn't some perfectly thought out flawless thingThat makes no sense. This is a flaw introduced by TLJ, and acknowledging that doesn't require someone to think Star Wars is perfectly thought out and flawless otherwise. The obvious author intention was exactly as I describe, and that fits the setting perfectly in every aspect, the visuals, the dialogue, the setting itself. It is only a problem for people who have a simplistic and incorrect understanding of how it works and who attempt to bolt that onto the setting, and that problem was introduced into the films themselves by TLJ because the people behind the camera didn't know and didn't care. That's all true, and none of it requires a perfect Star Wars.
>>216055830TLJ only exploited holes in a ruleset that wasn't completely thought through. It wasn't a problem before because no one thought about it and it was easily overlooked. TLJ forced everyone to think about it. The problem isn't that it's against the rules, the problem is that it forces what used to be an inconsequential oversight into a gaping plothole.
>>216055873No, TLJ ignored the actual ruleset in favor of a casual's misinterpretation because nobody behind the camera was aware of the actual ruleset, and nobody behind the camera cared because they hated Star Wars and fans of Star Wars and thought they were too heckin based to do their jobs. Other casuals who never knew any better and don't think about anything have decided this was some pre-existing hole rather than some retard just ignoring the setting, because again they don't comprehend anything unless a character looks into the camera and just monologues about it for several minutes to make sure they get it. They need Han Solo to pause the film, play the record scratch sound, and literally explain how hyperspace works and why "hyper"space isn't actual space or else they'll just assume he's hitting the gas pedal extra hard and the ship goes zoom.
>>216055657for the same reason finn has a 'feeling' at the end of the last movie, the plot is horribly written.
>>216055684That extradimensional hyperspace tunnel shit is weird and sounds like a cope, but if you want a reason why the computer has to calculate a trajectory in the OT it's to protect the pilots, crew and passengers from slamming into celestial bodies and suiciding (and killing anyone else on that celestial body). I doubt they thought even further than that when constructing the script. If you don't care about that stuff then you don't need a computer and actually could have a computer that calculates the most effective route through hyperspace to maximize destructive capability. FTL attacks becoming canon is dumb because they shouldn't be effective at all given that there are common security measures that are supposed to prevent them regardless of whether the course plotting computers exist.
>>216055974>why "hyper"space isn't actual spaceEXCEPT HE ACTUALLY DOES LITERALLY SAY THAT YOU CAN RUN INTO STARS AND SUPERNOVAS WHILE FLYING THROUGH HYPERSPACE YOU FUCKING AUTISTIC RETARD
>>216056078Which has nothing to do with the discussion and has been answered over, and over, and over again in this very thread if you would bother to read instead of autistically screeching about things you're too stupid to understand even when you are hand walked through them. This is why you believe stupid things and need Han Solo to monologue for you before you get it, and given that I've basically done that for you here and you still don't get it maybe even that wouldn't have worked.But this is the sort of gutter trash retard who was sitting behind the camera for TLJ, and it's the sort of retarded pseudo-African gorilla that made the sequels the unmitigated disaster that they were. There are people who can't visualize an apple, they don't have an inner monologue, they can't really think in a way that human's understand it, and they're out there among us, posting on 4chins about how Han Solo hits the gas and the ship goes zoom so therefore TLJ was fine or it was 'existing hole' or whatever other stupid shit.
TLJ is the canon beginning of the woke era of pop culture. It started everything that came in pop culture post-Endgame. I remember the SW: Battlefront 2 campaign came out around the Rogue One release and the single player campaign female main character Iden Verio was well received. (even if the multiplayer portion had some cnotroversy around microtransactions) She was hot and people were speculating if she was Reys mother because the campaign takes place right around ROTJ. She was a qt and just about everybody liked her as a character. Then the next year they released the Battlefront 2 campaign dlc to coincide with the release of TLJ. It takes place decades later mere hours before the start of TLJ. You play as the daughter of the original campaign character. This daughter was a HORSEFACED UGGO. Like painfully ugly. It was the literal start of the "no male gaze allowed" woke era. And of course it flopped because nobody wants to play as a horsefaced uggo. Even woketards won't play as uggos even though they lie and virtue signal online that they will. But of course irl they never do and create the same hot waifus as everybody else.
>>216056187>TLJ is the canon beginning of the woke era of pop culture.You have to be 18 or older to visit this site.
>>216056187There's nothing woke about TLJ that wasn't already woke in TFA years earlier. Remember the reveal of the basketball stormtrooper?
>>216056257I gaurantee my unc status is more powerful than yours.
>>216056288The fact that you would even use the word "unc" in any context proves otherwise.
>>216056288Just by saying 'unc' I know you're a wigger faggot.
>>216054564I love that you assume they didn't know exactly what they were doing because their goal was to shit on the fan base and destroy the lore--they didn't even try to hide it.
>>216056307>>216056309>Two TLJ shills getting this triggered.
>shit on TLJ for an hour straight>mock wigger zoomoid>y-yo u be shillin yo west SIDEZ unc yo yo from da hood ya herd yo WEST SIDEFaggot.
>>216056078>Tell me you don't actually read sci-fi without telling me you don't actually read sci-fiThere are literally dozens of books that all approach this and the general approach is normal space overlaps hyperspace and subspace around massive objects... which is consistent with ACTUAL physics and is usually a plot point as to why complicated warp calculations have to be done at all.You don't care though because you're a fat female or jeet trolling starfags.
>>216056265This was the moment any thinking person knew that SW was dead forever.
>>216056407I'm not even defending TLJ, I've only ever said that lightspeed ramming is within the established rules of the movies. It should have continued to be overlooked, but the nuWars writers are all jewy fucks who masturbate over exploiting plotholes to subvert expectations even if such exploitation ruins everything.
>>216056506>I've only ever said that lightspeed ramming is within the established rules of the moviesAnd you're wrong each time you say it.
>>216055684>They're traveling at lightspeed, that means they go super fast and arrive at their destination sooner.light speed is slow as fuck on a galactic scale, it would literally take thousands of years to get anywhere
>>216056525It's more than that, the story of media the last twenty years is someone having a list of every single property typically enjoyed by White males, particularly the nerdy archetype, and just running through all of them and ruining them the exact same way with the exact same shit. It isn't restricted to just Star Wars or just Lucas. I can't name a single property anymore that hasn't been destroyed this way, every shared story is gone or subverted.
>>216056552>>216056363NTA but that is why earlier in the thread I said TLJ was malevolent at heart and borne from evil. The whole thing comes from a place seething envy and jealousy. It comes from Rian's jealousy of GL. And a longstanding and well hidden state of envy and resentment of GL and men in general by K.K.The whole thing comes from a dark place and should rightly be rejected by SW fans. Then on top of it there's the junior high school level script to nail it home.
>>216056552That is why I also said it was the canon beginning of the woke era. To which some people ITT got hilariously triggered even though its true.
>>216056453We're not talking about other sci-fi, we're talking about Star Wars, but if you insist on bringing in other sci-fi works, let's talk about how hyperspace works in Hyperion:https://hyperionaspaceadventure.fandom.com/wiki/Hyperspace>Hyperspace is a spacetime construct that is generated by starships when they accelerate past the Rayes point - around a million times the speed of light - while lightfolding under the amplification of the Nexus or a conduit, within which the starship can travel at presumably infinite speeds.Oh, would you look at that? An example of hyperspace being both a tunnel and a way to exceed the speed of light at the same time! So no, you don't get to say "But hyperspace means X in Y other fiction" because not every sci-fi work follows the same rules. This is a stupid rabbit hole to try to go down.
>>216049503>he doesn't have 1000 R2D2 (or better yet R4D6s) hooked in parallel to create a perfect missileit's like they're not even trying
>>216056596They got 'triggered' because it's a retarded statement, it began a long ass time before TLJ. It began before TLJ even just restricted to Star Wars. When you act like a retard and say retarded things and people start calling you retard, they aren't "triggered", you're just retarded.
>>216056546You need to bring yourself to the level of the writers of Star Wars. Lightspeed means they can travel as far and as fast as necessary for the movie plot to continue sensibly.
>>216056643You are either gaslighting TLJ shill or you are retarded. Either way you aren't qualified to talk on such nuanced statements and are clearly to autistic to comprehend it. TLJ was the start to anyone that isn't on the spectrum or have some other kind of deep seeded mental issues.
>>216056708Maybe a tiktok will explain it to you someday, "unc". It's "deep seated" by the way, you dumb niggering faggot.
>>216056407>likes 2 out of 3 of the sequel moviesthis isn't the own you believe it to be
>>216056708>things were good when I was a kid>they only got bad when I became old enough to noticeSorry to tell you, but the enshittification of media through wokeshit has been going on since at least 2010, you're just too young to know any different.
>>216056732I've seen every Star Wars movie at release in the theater except for Solo because I boycotted it do the assfaggotry of TLJ. I've seen the full decline of pop culture in real time. TLJ was the inflection point. Some people like yourself aren't built to think about such things in a way beyond the most basic and rudimentary levels. It's ok. It happens.
>I've [larp] and [bullshit] so obviously untrue thing is true actuallyTiktok brain.
>>216049591>Light speed is impossible for matternot really, there is no way to accelerate something with mass to the speed of light as the energy required would become infinite. There are ways around this fact, but nothing says matter can't travel at the speed of light or faster,
>>216050277>with a lady Admiral in chargeRian Johnson?
>>216051748>destiny ranked higher than shit tier
>>216051787>in my Discord ERP
>>216056963>there is no way to accelerate something with mass to the speed of light>nothing says matter can't travel at the speed of light or faster
I'm so glad I never watched this shit. Thanks for warning me off, /tv/. I owe you one.
>>216057032yes, in this case the semantics matter. Accelerating to, and moving at, light speed are two very different things.
>>216056482No this was.
>>216050263me too kek
>>216057108oh I get it, because he's black, good one...
>>216050860not canon btw
>>216057134Tokenism starts one step at a time. All the gayest shit you see today started with the idea that every show needed that one black friend.
>>216049486in real life they put hyperspace suppressors on ships to stop people from hitting them from hyperspace
>>216057216>there has never been a talented black person in media they have all been token hiresWhat's it like to be you, is life really happier as a retard?
>>216057244The overwhelming majority have been token hires, yes. Everyone acknowledged this, South Park even created a character named Token in acknowledgement of it. Lando was there to be a black friend, the black ranger had to be black and they had to have a black friend, Iron Man had to have War Machine, there had to be a black guy in every show and every scene, Tim had one black friend in Home Improvement, Full House had the one black, Boy Meets World hey out of nowhere here's Angela we have the required black now. All the modern stuff starts there. From you must have a token black to tranoid zoomer shit.
>>216057301so no, not happier as a retard, too bad.
>>216057346Pretending the obvious truth is retarded as an attempt to silence anyone from mentioning it doesn't work I'm afraid. Lando was early tokenism, an early but direct ancestor of casting Hunter the troon.
>>216057301I don't quite get your line of thought there. There's always a token black guy, which Southpark (alongside everyone else) made fun of back in the 90s already, so this means that the majority of black actors are not talented?
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>>216051748>top tier is filled with twice as many entries as any other tierWe get it, you like basically everything popular.
>>216050392I know you are just shitposting, but you need to learn about how straight lines work at distancevader's isd comes in from a different vector than the ones escaping scarif. the ones that hit lightspeed just before he comes in don't disappear into the same point in space. the ones that ram into his ship at the last second were still in regular speed and were basically sitting ducksopen this webm, pause it, and scan across the timeline of it yourself very slowly. you see the points where all the ships disappear out into space and the point where the isd comes out from space.
>>216058364fuck man, there are no other ships in scifi that emanates such a "get fucked" energy as imperial star destroyers.
>>216058491I agree. these nose-on shots are isd's at their best, too
>>216058621Lucas really nailed it with the triangle shape.
