People said it would be reevaluated as a masterpiece years later. Has it happened or has the opposite happened?
>>216050018it destroyed the whole trilogy, no two ways about it
>>216050018It was okay to good.
>>216050018It has a cult following with the sort of old women that loved the Reylo ship. Other than that it ruined too much and even its subversion of Star Wars isn't anything new, KotOR 2 did it much earlier and was more interesting.
It’s kino
>>216050024Let's not delude ourselves, the series was DOA from the opening crawl of Ep VII. By this point, the beaten horse carcass was simply further jellied.
>>216050050>Cult followingDisney is paying these people. No other explanation is possible.
>>216050161No not really. Episode VII was decent. Plotline was well written and Finn-Rey and Rey-Kylo interactions played good
>>216050182You definitely have a reddit account.
>>216050018It's certified kino.
>>216050210Reddit Derangement Syndrome going hard lol
>>216050182Episode VII was only a commercial for Episode VIII, thoughbeit.
>>216050222Arrogant faggot. I would've smacked the fuck out of you if this were irl.
>>216050018I didnt even want to watch the sequels, but my cousin who I had watched all of them with insisted we continue the tradition. I'll never forget walking back ot the car in silence after and as my he went to start the car he said "well.. i guess thats it then". We didnt see the next one.
>>216050258You and your cousin sound like gay incestous faggots.
>>216050298no u
>>216050018The editing and build-up of this scene was the best moment of all the Star Wars sequels.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2hM1tyEL0U
>>216050222The left can't meme
>>216051316Stupid as hell & reduces every other action in the saga to unnecessary bc the rebels should have always just taken their biggest shops & turned them into hyperspace missiles & destroyed the death stars, executor class ships, all of it, so there’s have been no reason for the empire to keep building big shit in the first place bc any one purple haired stronk womyn with could come screaming out of nowhere at any time & just blow it all up from a billion miles away. Like all things you 12yo tards think are cool about this drivel, it looks cool if you don’t think about it and just let it and all the other bullshit just wash over your smooth brain.
i'm neutral towards star wars.this movie fucking sucked. anyone who says otherwise is a faggot. rise of skywalker was worse, literal dog shit, but that movie is shit because the last israelite fucked it all up.i do respect that rian was able to curb stomp an entire franchise.
>>216050018What's bad about it? I thought it was wonderful to see Luke become a Yoda like figure, that Luke's belief in saving his Father was expanded with Rey's link to Kylo. I felt like RoTJ kind of tarnished Luke with the violent confrontation he has with his father so seeing a passive battle with his virtually adopted son is a nice conclusion to that cycle. I prefer the idea that revolutions and heroes aren't bound to specific families, especially in the context of a resurgent era - that the Jedi will naturally return if there's good in the universe. The anti-capitalist stuff fits as does opposition to the grimdark world war style sacrifices the series drifted towards, but that subplot is meandering and they never address how Finn might be predisposed to that because he was an indoctrinated trooper or how it might relate to droid rights or something.
>>216050182>decentfor retards, like you
>>216050182Eh.. it's just a cheap lame ass remake of A New Hope and designed to reset the plot to another rebels vs Empire story. It has the ingredients of the original but they are all cheap inferior knock offs. From the convoluted way the plot unfolds in order to reset the plot to the status quo of rebels vs Empire (via insta wipe out of the so called New Republic by destroying its fleet and conventiently next to each other stacked capital planets through the use of a death Star on steroids only J.J. Abrams would come up with) and a lone desert dwelling character destined for great adventures and a key role in bring about the end of the new Empire. Then it turned out there was no plan at all for the plot in the future hence the complete cluster fuck that is the "Trilogy" as a whole. And funnily enough I could have forgiven these massive flaws had the movies been good and entertaining but alas I fell asleep during force awakens, was merely baffled but glued to the screen in all the undesirable ways at Last Jedi and don't even get me started on Rise of Skywalker which I watched at a friend's house and was honestly one of the most ridiculous video games I have ever seen.
>>216050018>People said it would be reevaluated as a masterpiece years later>reevaluatedIt was already acclaimed by critics when it came out lol
>>216050161>Ep. 7 did more damageTLJ shill revisionist history. This level of gaslighting deserves a special level of hell. While It's true that Ep. 7 was mediocre AF its also true that the franchise hype level was at near all time highs going into Ep. 8.
>>216050018This might be the worst movie ever.
>>216051429>Telling us you're gay without telling us you're gay
>>216050018Probably the worst blockbuster I've ever seen
>>216050018Nobody wants to think about it or talk about, it's that bad.
>>216050050>cult following-literal shills-Reylo fags-cringe """""journalists""""" doubling down because they won't admit that their opinions were manipulated and considered it a necessary battle of the "culture wars"
>>216051429>What's bad about it?
>>216052027>>216052083I genuinely don't understand how anyone can think this. I get not liking it, but the worst movie of all time? Really? Worse than such movies as Birdemic, House of the Dead and Superbabies? Do I have to be a really autistic Star Wars nerd to see what's that terrible about it? Because it just felt like a completely average space action movie to me.
>>216050210Not him, but what if I have? Am I not allowed to?
I think Rian Johnson was trying to evoke the same story beats as Empire. Luke thinks the little green guy on Dagobah is going to take him to master Yoda until it’s revealed that he IS Yoda. This is mirrored with Luke and Rey’s expectation of him as a mentor but also Poe and his assumptions of Holdo. Lando seems like a trustworthy ally until he’s revealed to betray Han and Leia. This is paralleled by Finn and Rose being betrayed by DJ. The climatic reveal of Vader being Luke’s father is paralleled by the reveal of Rey’s parents being nobody significant. I get what he was trying to do. The problem is even if you can understand what he was trying to do, it still feels like an affront to the audience because it didn’t follow the improv rule of “yes, and…” it “no, actually” ‘d. Marvel understood for a while anyway that if you build on what previous installments established in the story, the audience felt rewarded for their investment of their time. If you tell the audience “Oh that thing you remembered? It’s actually completely different. Did you have some expectation of how this story would play out? Well, we’re doing the exact opposite.” then they’re going to feel stupid for investing their time and energy into remembering these things. In defense of Rian Johnson, I think he was tasked with making a more feminist, more progressive Empire Strikes Back for a new generation and he delivered. It’s just that’s not really what most people wanted.
>>216052172>Birdemic, House of the Dead and SuperbabiesIts not necessarily reasonable to compare what should by all accounts have been a competent production and a great film like TLJ to b-movies, video game movies and low effort comedies that everyone expected to be terrible.Birdemic for example was always going to be shit, whereas TLJ had a massive budget, supposedly the best people in the industry working on it and it had one of the most popular and beloved IPs ever attached to it; relatively speaking TLJ is a much greater failure than Birdemic.
>>216052172>but the worst movie of all time? Really?I clearly said "worst blockbuster". Birdemic had a reported total budget of $10k. Probably not a fucking blockbuster. Fucking illiterate retard.
>>216052172It's bad because not only is it poorly written but it is malevolent in its execution. The movie comes from a dark place. It is both incompetent and low key evil.
>>216052812It's still a ridiculous claim even if we limit it to blockbusters.
>>216053430With zero context its not. But when all context is taken into consideration there is a case to be made that TLJ is the worst movie of all time.
>>216050018It always was a masterpiece, the critics loved it. Angry dudebros didn't like it but who cares about their opinion.
>>216050018I keep telling you it won't happen because the sequels didn't cultivate a new generation of fans like the prequels did.
>>216050018I like it and consider it easily the best Disneywars movie, but that's a low bar. Not a masterpiece.
for me it's better than the other 2
>>216050018It came out when I was 14. I’m now 22 and hate it even more. It destroyed discourse surrounding Star Wars. Even Rebels is leagues better. Speaking of that I want the Seventh Sister to rape me
>>216053603This, honestly. One of the few cases were critics were right and the audience wrong. And let's be honest, Star Wars fans are some of the hardest people to please, so them hating it means jack shit.
>>216053603>critics and gays loved itFixed
>>216050018Just look at the poster. A bunch of random shit trying to distract you from the real focus of these movies. Luke skywalker. Even in this poster he’s covered like if they’re embarrassed for showing him. A big mistake is not having Luke skywalker be the main character in episode 7.
>>216053603>It always was a masterpieceThis is the pleb/shill detector to end all detectors. The script is amateurish almost beyond measure. It can't even adhere to the parameters of the setting and literally makes shit up to get itself out of the corners it writes itself into. It's like a 10th grader wrote it and saying the script is good throws ones credibility into the toilet with no survivors.
>>216053790You aren't a professional film critic so you're hardly an authority on the subject. I trust the experts more than the dumb masses when it comes to recognizing good films.
>>216053852You would have a thousand percent more credibly if you simply admitted its bad but just said you liked it anyway. By trying to argue that it's good just makes you look like a retard.
it was whatevertrue kinoheads know that th force awakens and rise of skywalker are worse filmsbut the last jedi pulled the rug out of many people's feet, so it tends to get the most flak, understandably
It’s a very good looking film with one of the worst screenplays ever
>>216053975This. In a nutshell.
>>216053975you're describing a nolan film if they actually looked good
Nolan scrips are just flawed for failing to stick the landing in the third act. They aren't amateurish like in TLJ.
>>216053603Really? You enjoyed that space "chase" that went on and on with nothing happening for a good portion of the film and the ships all moving at the same pace? The casino planet?
>>216051954Only post in touch with reality ITT. Others are just Lucas cultists coping.
>>216051316Ruins Star Wars like this nigga said >>216051379Look at real life. People use people as suicide bombs. 1000% in this war people would empty out ships and fill them with bombs and hyperspace ram all the empire’s planets. Causing planetary destruction the likes we will possibly see if the Islamic muslim middle eastern or Japanese people get access to spaceships in the future.
>>216051482>From the convoluted way the plot unfolds in order to reset the plot to the status quo of rebels vs Empire (via insta wipe out of the so called New Republic by destroying its fleet and conventiently next to each other stacked capital planets through the use of a death Star on steroids only J.J. Abrams would come up with)Blowing up the New Republic happened because of the overcorrection of the Prequels politics to say Star Wars is back and removing all political themes and worldbuilding because of the backlash of the Prequels.
it's the best sequel movie. not saying much but it's true and you know it
>>216052010The $20M drop in opening weekend ticket sales tells a different story, but you seem to like the story you are telling yourself. The only reason people saw 8 was because 7 left everything feeling like they had Star Wars blue balls, and were hoping for a nut of some kind.
just a lil messy
>>216052492I will watch birdemic right now and be entertained. The name alone makes me chuckle. Rewatching Star Wars 7-9 feels like visiting the grave of a beloved uncle, and seeing that the grave has been desecrated by teenagers.
>>216053549I am another lukewarm on SW to begin with person and I strongly agree with this statement. TLJ is a fuckup on a profound level. Out of the 10,000 full length films I've seen, it's in the five worst no question.
>>216050018The people that liked it still like it, and the people that hate it still hate it.I think the same is mostly true for the prequels; they just reap the benefits of Y2K nostalgia and the state of modern blockbusters.
>>216050018It’s pretty obviously a bad movieBut even worse than that there wasn’t even an attempt to make a good film but it failed
>>216050018>years laterIt is much too early to judge that.Look at reference image, there wasn't widespread prequel revisionism until a decade and a half, plus that was only triggered in reaction to the sequels.
>>216052027It’s the worst film I ever paid to watch in the theaters
>>216056545>It’s the worst film I ever paid to watch in the theatersThat would be Avatar
>>216050018I wonder if any one has ever done a fan edit of the sequel trilogy You could get an “okay” 2 hour film out of the trilogy Just cut everything out of the second movie besides Rey’s training and edit in the Emperor revealing himself to her in a force dream sequence
>>216050018I don’t even get what the point of the space map was in the first movieWas it an old Jedi map that Luke used to find some secret planetOr was it a map Luke made in case anyone wanted to find him but also don’t find him because he wanted to be left alone
>>216055835>Daisy Ridley was CHARISMATIC AS HECK
It is the best Disney Star Wars product, which is not saying much
>>216050018Even redditors have started to acknowledge that it's one of the biggest missteps in the history of film. Disney took what was once the biggest merchandising juggernaut on the planet, the film series that effectively invented merchandise, and turned it into a zombie filling landfills with Finn toys.
>>216050024it really solidified it
>>216056680https://youtu.be/EwNtFdEhHd0You can fix certain scenes in a vacuum, but I don't think you could edit a good film or films together out of the sequels. Editing can fix a lot, but it can't fix a cultural vandal deliberately setting out to make a bad film.
piece of garbage that still stinks worse than Jabba the Hutt's first shart of the day
>>216052226Ryans honestly the greatest and most damaging troll in the history of cinema/television. He cost Yidney billions, BILLIONS in future earnings for nu-wars. Don’t forget, people were still mass-huffing copium over TFA being mid at the time, if he had actually delivered a half-decent film it would all have been forgiven. Instead he made the shittiest possible film he could. It’s almost like he sat down, scoured /tv/ for every major issue brought up, then amplified every complaint we had about TFA to 11 on purpose, and splattered woke ideology over it as well so Yidney and the internet tranny brigades were forced to shill for and defend, literal dogshit. I could only DREAM of tricking my enemies, into both praising and financially backing something I created specifically to spite them.Oh anon, you don’t like Mary Sues like Rey huh? Well enjoy, they aren’t just gonna be Mary Sues, they’re gonna be the Mary fucking Poppins of Mary Sues, literally! And there’ll be like 4 of them in the same film! The space battles are nonsensical? Good, mine will make even less sense, enjoy r*ddit-tier arguments during battles and sci-fi versions of 1940s bomber planes, in space, dropping bombs reliant on gravity momentum to work, bombs like that don’t even exist NOW, all modern bombs today have various guidance systems built into them, let alone the future, it’s retarded as fuck, you’ll hate it! Oh, and you think Snoke has potential as a villain? That’s great, so im gonna kill him within 3 minutes of his big reveal, I could go on. It’s a goldmine of bad film ideas and design philosophies. All on purpose I feel. Honestly, i hated nu-wars from the moment i walked out of TFA and wrote off the whole universe on the spot. But, if they had put me in Rian's place, and i felt like tanking the entire franchise with extreme prejudice, I very much doubt i could have done more damage to Yidney than Rian, his masterpiece of garbage is a work of trolling art.
I remember hearing about how bad TLJ was and talking shit about it and my friends said I couldn't talk shit unless I saw it so I went and saw it by myself. I was so mad the whole movie. Worst $12 I've ever spent.
>>216056966>pretending rian the faggot johnson was trolling disney and wasn't just vandalizing culture as they wantedSpeaking of copium.
>>216053603>gravity based bombs>in space>gravity based bombs with bomb-chutes open and exposed to the void>in the very first battle scene>later on they break the lore of the entire universe with that warp-jump attackNow you can destroy any world, any warship, and anything, by just accelerating a ship to hyperspace too close to whatever you wanna hit.There is no universe where you can convince me any of the nu-wars films have good writing, they don't.you retarded nigger, they dont even make gravity based bombs NOW, there's guidance systems in every bomb made by the USA/china/russia.
>>216057014Please don't use the n word
>>216055835That review is funny because they become more and more negative as the video progresses, even yelling Rian: "HAVE YOU EVER SEEN STAR WARS??" at one point.
>>216056966>Don’t forget, people were still mass-huffing copium over TFA being mid at the timeThis never happened. People loved TFA and only started pretending they always hated it once TLJ came out.
>>216050018The opposite, I've seen a lot more leftists admit the sequels sucked now that it's no longer a hot-button culture war issue
>>216050050This. I've never understood the argument that the movie was too subversive, it played it pretty safe by rehashing the Empire-Rebels conflict from the OT (because somehow an entire Galactic Republic was reduced to a handful of rebels in just a few weeks and a couple planets being destroyed). Even Luke was just Yoda again, and the final battle was a not-AT-AT attack on not-Hoth. It's a shit movie, but its shittiest elements came from a lack of originality (in emulating both the OT and the MCU), not too much originality.
>>216057463please go back to r*ddit>>216057523my fucking boomer aunt responded to my "TFA was mid no idea why everyones talking it up" with a "yeah i was kinda disappointed too, it was soo boring".You're mistaking online discourse for actual peoples reviews, i know copers irl and shit but this is different. Nu-wars killed the mystery and enjoyment of the entire Star Wars franchise, nobody cares anymore.
>>216050018Its a masterpiece in that it maimed the IP permanently so it destroyed SW's place in the cultural zeitgeistThank you TLJ, without you Disney would be spamming SW shit and retards would be eating much, much harder than they already pathetically do now.
