>>216354500
Mel always said he wanted to do one about Christ going to hell after he died. I dont remember this shit in church but I never paid attention anyway. So maybe like Passion of Christ X Spawn or something.

>>216354500
I think the first part's gonna be like Dantes Inferno him journeying through and getting out of hell. Second part is everything else you mentioned.

It's gonna be kino.

>>216354662
>I dont remember this shit in church but I never paid attention anyway
It's mentioned in the NT.
For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit, in which he went and proclaimed to the spirits in prison, because they formerly did not obey, when God’s patience waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through water. (1 Pet. 3:18–20)

>>216354500
Catholics wrote a bunch of gay fanfiction and pretend it's part of the bible.

>Part 1 and 2 practically 1 month apart
A bold decision.

>>216354843
Protestants claiming that is like Muslims bitching about someone worshipping a rock .Or like Sola Scriptura Protestants bitching about someone commiting idolatry .Absolutely hilarious were it not so tragic .

one thing i wanna know is why did it take so long for someone like mel gibson to make a movie AFTER jesus' crucifixion. Literally there are dozens of adaptions of Jesus dying on the cross even with damn John Wayne but never once did we ever get a movie about what happened during those three days. it always cuts to the people opening his tomb and seeing him in the sky, it reminded me exactly like what the ten commandments did and nonchalantly brought up the whole disobedience of moses not being let into the promised land where he just mentions he hit the rock or said "that incident" the narrator could have at least explained to the audience what had happened to warrant God to not let Moses into canaan for people unfamiliar with the bible just like with jesus's resurrection, never once did i hear that Jesus journeyed through hell bringing the innocent souls with him out of there until recently hell even martin scorsese with his adaptation could have shown his journey as well but instead makes me just wanna watch the greatest story ever told's version without weak ass harvey kietel's performance

>>216356626
>never once did we ever get a movie about what happened during those three days

Film makers are generally too pussy to portray the silence and lack of action inherent to those , like, two accumulated days .Besides , it can be hard to imagine , especially from the perspective of Apostles and Disciples who did not pay attention to the "... and I will resurrect" part .How do you even imagine going to sleep after all that , eating and drinking to sustain yourself after that ? .Just functioning after a tragedy is hard enough , when God Himself becomes a Man who is an integral part of your Life and most beloved friend and dies the most agonizing death imaginable , just wrapping your head around it seems impossible without hindsight .

Besides , you would only have to portray one day: Saturday .

>never once did i hear that Jesus journeyed through hell bringing the innocent souls with him out of there until recently

Bad Catechism .

>>216356722
well i didn't mean from the perspective of the apostles, i mean what the new mel gibson movie is doing, as in showing those days of his journey thru hell, because like it says in the bible, it took him three days to come back that is a pretty long time especially in a place like hell, it could be a few hours for people in hell but three days for us in the living world

>>216356790
Oh , that makes sense .But it did not "take" Him time to resurrect , it is more of a "He did it in the specific time frame He said He would do it and it was implied to take" .

Pretty sure Heaven , Hell , Purgatory and the Natural World do not have a time dilation thing .

>>216354843
Literally most Prot sects believe Jesus descended into Hell.

>>216356893
see that is another thing i didn't know until you brought it up, that Jesus had set a certain time he had for his resurrection. I feel like with these bible movies you really have to be "in the know" about what is happening because nobody really simplifies these scenarios without it being blasphemous or at least that's how i feel. because growing up people just said oh it took three days for jesus to resurrect and that was that, not something like oh and during jesus' sit down during the last supper he made a a time frame for when he was gonna resurrect and all that

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>>216354500
>>216354662
>Mel always said he wanted to do one about Christ going to hell after he died.
Jesus goes to Helheim/Mustafar
tldr; Mel mixes Voluspà and Star Wars

>>216357052
>that Jesus had set a certain time he had for his resurrection

Depending on the movie or miniseries , they do usually have a scene where any of the multiple times He warns about His death and resurrection , time frame included .Which interestingly enough happens like three different times per Gospel .

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How did Satan rebel? Why do Angels even have free will? What prevents the whole thing from happening again? How long is eternity?

>>216354662
>I dont remember this shit in church
Protestant church doesn't count.

>>216354662
Descendit ad inferos, tertia die resurrexit a mortuis

>>216357282
It was catholic church

>>216357234
>How did Satan rebel?

Free Will , every being is allowed to decide on their actions and most of their fate .

>Why do Angels even have free will?

Free Will is an intrinsic part of Sapience , impossible to divorce one from the other .If Angels did not have Free Will , they would not be Angels but rather mindless forces that affect the world around them like Gravity and Electro-Magnetism .

>What prevents the whole thing from happening again?

As far as I remember (Reminder that I am retarded and forgetful) , according to Saint Thomas of Aquino , Angels already exist with all the knowledge they need and exist beyond Time , so if they made their decision to rebel or to not rebel , it is not like it would be in their nature to revert .It is a different reality of existence .

It is better if you ask this from people far smarter than me or your average Anon .

>How long is eternity?

Eternity is technically not long .Same way Infinite things is not a lot of things .Because a large amount of quantity , even one we can not wrap our heads around , inevitably implies/demands a finality .So Eternity can not be measured in the same way a Soul can not be weighted with a scale or can not be shown to expel radiation with machines or something .It is so above the measurement .

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>>216355005
Pic related were two months apart

>>216354843
Catholics wrote the New Testament and formalized the canon a thousand years before Luther. Why protestants like to pretend that the KJV descended from heaven in a beam of light with red letters, gilded pages, and bound a in single volume is beyond me.

>>216354500
I have faith in Mel to tell the story that will piss the maximum amount of people that I don’t like mad

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>>216354500
>Passion of the Christ: Resurrection Part 1
>Passion of the Christ: Resurrection Part 2
>Passion 3
>P4ssion

Fuck you Mel you fucking hack

>>216357355
Speaking of Free Will, is there a definitive method to prove its existence? I mean, if we have Free Will, how would we know, and if we didn't, would we care? It seems like nothing more than a get-out-of-jail card for the Almighty and in general a bit of a flaw in the theology.
Bearing in mind, I'm not saying it shouldn't exist, but that it seems largely pointless to even bring attention to it.
Also, the issue with Sapience, Sentience, Self-Awareness, etc... is that we define it.
>(...)impossible to divorce one from the other
Through God, all things are possible.

>>216357559
There’s logical arguments if that counts as “proof.” The one I prefer comes from an explicitly Christian worldview
>God created because he wanted to love something outside himself and have it love him back
>true love can only be demonstrated if you have the capacity to refuse it
>this requires free will
How that works when God is omnipotent and omniscient is a question I’ll leave to the philosophers but that’s the basic idea

>>216357477
I disagree on some things with him but I know he will deliver on that regard .

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>>216357559
anything that has a cause cannot have free will

also the bible outright says you don't have free will

free will is just a recent evangelical cope/deflection to gaslight you into thinking the nonsensical biblical god is compatible with reality

>>216357559
>Through God, all things are possible.

But since we are made in the Imago Dei , how can our nature made in emulation of His Eternal Nature be changed ? .Would it not be , to a degree , demaning that He change ? .

>>216357713
>"I took this verse out of context , the last 1980 years of Theologians explaining this stuff and even the same book I pulled this quote from do not exist"

The apex of Atheistic intellectualism .

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>>216357653
>love humanity so much your default state is condemnation to hell and 90%+ go to eternal torture

what did the judeochristian deity mean by this

also a choice that is coerced is not a choice

if you walked up to a girl and told her to love you or you will pour gasoline on her and set her on fire you would be institutionalized

>uhh.. rabbi yeshua said it instead
>PRAISE BE

>>216357416
That's not what Protestants believe, actually Luther looked to early Church Fathers like Augustine to direct him.

>>216357846
anon hell is the place you go to be separated from God. For somebody who has chosen to not want anything to do with him wouldn’t Heaven be the real punishment?

>>216357846
>love humanity so much your default state is condemnation to hell and 90%+ go to eternal torture

Retarded Atheist (Redundant) attacks Christianity while knowing literally nothing about it (Such as that Hell is literally the state of separation from God caused by Sin , which he himself literally desires) .As rare as a grain of sand in the Gobi .

Also , eternal torture ? .Stop watching Cartoons about pitchforks and pools of fire .

>judeochristian

I would say you do not deserve Oxygen but it does not even reach your Brain so you do not use it .

>also a choice that is coerced is not a choice

"You are offering me your hand to save me from the cliff I am dangling from due to my own actions , that is coercion due to the threat of death you surelly and I refuse to grab it"

Atheism is the supreme threat to the survival of the Human Race , this retardation is clear indication of it .It is the supreme desperation to portray retardation as intelligent , which feeds into itself and elevates said retardation and delusion of intellect to greater heights .

>>216355905
>hurr durr man in hat
The Orthodoxy condemns your heathen iconography. Pure idolatry.

>>216357998
why do you space your punctuation?

>>216357958
Do not bother , Anon .He is desperate to present himself as intellectual and intelligent in his rejection of Goodness and Truth , to the point he will literally reinvent concepts and realities so they can fit his delusion of righteous rebellion and enlightened man ,

Reminds me of the story of the Oven of Akhnai .

>>216358026
You hate the notion of God acting in the Physical World because you hate Him .Your Iconoclasm is an act of hatred of Him .You calling yourself Orthodox is like a pig calling itself Pro-Clean Food .

That and your country has no culture so art done in worship repulses you .

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>>216357971
>Such as that Hell is literally the state of separation from God
False the Bible says Hell is not a "state" but a place that was willfully created by your deranged corrupt god to torture people. Your bible says it is an eternal torture reality

>ad hom for judeochristian
Who wrote the bible? The chinese perhaps?

>from the cliff
who put you in the cliff? who created the cliff in the first place?

christgolems can't see past one layer of narcissist deceit lmao

>>216358032
>you hope and pray israel survives, enslaves the world and builds a third temple because it's (((gods plan))) and the only way jewsus can come back lmao

the people doing that are americans. americans aren't christians

>>216357282
the creeds predate the reformation

>>216354500
I remember going to Mass and they said that after he died Christ went to Hell to save all the people who couldn’t die as Christians but they really just treat it like an addendum

>>216358076
you sound like a gnostic

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>>216354843
>Meanwhile, protestants:

>>216358032
>"you did not say speficially the precise exact words I demanded that you say so that I can win the retarded back and forth I had preplanned , that means I win"

I feel so much sadness when I see you .This is probably the highlight of your year , this delusion of intellectualism .This is not even mocking , this is me being actually saddened for you .

>Christians are the #1 zionist force in history

Literally every publicly Atheist figure I have seen in the last years has been Zionist .

>You circumcize yourself

In your Atheistic country , sure .In mine , we have very few , actually .

You need to go over this delusion of Christianity being the Super Oy Vey , ignoring the fact that the entirety of modern Jewish Culture and Theology is defined by being the Not-Christianity , all to compensate your self recognized inability to go against Christianity intellectually and the fact that Atheism Post "Enlightenment" is made up of many Jewish figures and with affectation by Jewish culture .You are like a Marxist hating Germany , the country where his nonsense was born and defined .

>>216358071
>worship paint
>worship stone
>worship man
>worship man
>worship man
"Worship anything other than God. Pray only to man." - papist creed

>>216354500
>2027
It'd be funny if Jesus came back before these got released.

>>216358118
>"Christianity was invented by Jews post year 70"

Atheism is an assault on Humanity's dignity itself , this shows it .

>216358187

Protties see art used for the worship of God and project their own idolatry .Because Protties worship a written idol made up of 68 mistranslated books that they erronously call "Bible" (Which they have no clue how they got) .An idol they use to try to replace and overpower God .

Not to mention the Dispensationalist "Bible" .

Go back to worshipping the Mount Rushmore thingie or something , Prottie .

>>216357848
>actually Luther looked to early Church Fathers like Augustine to direct him.

Which is really funny , since Saint Augustine was the one to coin the term "Rome has spoken , the matter is finished" .

>>216358360
>claims pagan popery wrote the bible
>worship man in hat

>>216358849
>says due obedience to God's actual Church and its actual authorities as ordained by God is worship of men
>worships some pieces of paper written in 1909

Protestantism is nothing other than German Paganism repackaged for the post-Printing Press world .It is Germanic idolatry , period .

Explain to me , if you are not an idolater pagan , why does no one who calls themselves a Christian prior to the XVIth century acts remotely like your idol group ? .If what you falsely call a Bible is true Scripture , can you explain exactly when it was compiled and by whose reassurance and authority do we know it has authority ? .

>>216358849
>>216358933

Also , you call "Popery" Pagan (Germanic Projection) .Does that mean that basically every single Christian figure prior to the 5th century was Pagan since they all support Papal Supremacy and the Petrine Authority as established by Christ ? .Does that mean that the Christ you claim to follow is a failure and His Church failed since literally the nanosecond the Apostles leave this Earth , their succesors "paganize" ? .


“The blessed Peter, the chosen, the preeminent, the first among the disciples, for whom alone with himself the Savior paid the tribute [Matt. 17:27], quickly grasped and understood their meaning. And what does he say? ‘Behold, we have left all and have followed you’ [Matt. 19:27; Mark 10:28]” (Who Is the Rich Man That Is Saved? 21:3–5 [A.D. 200]) - Saint Irineaus

“Be it known to you, my lord, that Simon [Peter], who, for the sake of the true faith, and the most sure foundation of his doctrine, was set apart to be the foundation of the Church, and for this end was by Jesus himself, with his truthful mouth, named Peter, the first fruits of our Lord, the first of the apostles; to whom first the Father revealed the Son; whom the Christ, with good reason, blessed” (Letter of Pope Saint Clement Ist to James 1 [A.D. 221]).

“by the will of him that has willed everything which is; to the Church which also holds the presidency in the place of the country of the Romans, worthy of God, worthy of honor, worthy of blessing, worthy of praise, worthy of success, worthy of sanctification, and because you hold the presidency of love, named after Christ and named after the Father; here therefore do I salute in the name of Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father. (...) You have envied no one; but others you have taught. I desire only that what you have enjoined in your instruction may remain in force.” Letter of Saint Ignatius of Antioch to the Roman Church (107 Anno Domini)

And these are just a few

>>216354802
>Just babbling nonsense like all Bible quotes
>Doesn't even mention Hell
He never goes to Hell in canon, but he does in Dante’s Inferno. He flashbangs some demons for holding up Dante and his guide from what I remember

>>216359132
>every single Christian figure prior to the 5th century was Pagan since they all support Papal Supremacy
Nice argument there, a shame it's a lie

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>>216356753
>>216356664
>>216357465
>>216358118
>216358032
>>216357998
>216358076
>216359184
>216358292
>216358174

Christ is punishing Palestinians for worshipping Mohammad, a pedo demon worshipper. All of this is divine punishment

>>216359213
That wasn't Jesus, just some angel that wasn't even Beatrice.
I think it was before they entered Dis?

>>216355005
It's 40 Days, the amount of time between the Resurrection and the Ascension.

his made this movie twenty years ago, right?

>>216357848
>Luther looked to early Church Fathers like Augustine to direct him.
He didn't do a very good job of it.

>>216357052
There's literally no rhyme or reason to the whole Jesus thing. To believe it you have to have Woody Allen-level Jewish neurosis where antithetical things can both be true, God is apathetic due to his inaction in spite of omniscience and omnipotence, and submission to cosmic powers that be.

>>216354500
It's about The Harrowing of Hell, the Fall of Lucifer and some other things.

>>216359654
Marcion was right

>>216357788
>you MUST be an atheist to not buy christianity's nonsense

>>216357788
>it's a metaphor.. no it's a parable! no god works in mysterious ways!

>stop demanding coherence from a book that I've literally used to oppress and kill people with! AND JUST OBEY ME- I MEAN GOD

lol

>>216359654
>>216359733
what he do?

>>216359269
That’s kikes and they’ve been doing it since 1500 BC, calling it God’s Will

Jesus is based and the Bible is literally true and he is literally the son of God and is God and is the one true path to heaven. Based Jesus praise Jesus praise the Lord. Christ is king. Amen.

>>216360030
Since I'm not saving you, rely on Jesus, see if he'll save you.

>>216360065
T. John Wayne

>>216354725
It's going to be like Doom.

>>216357846
Fuck off, rabbi.

>>216360100
he truly is da son of god....

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>he came back from the dead
>oh you want to see him? he didn't stick around, he went to heaven anyway
>just trust me tho bro, I saw him
>also his resurrected form told me that he changed his mind about gentiles, you guys aren't dogs anymore
>no you can't ask him yourself, he's done appearing to people
>he wants us to spread this new message throughout the world tho
>no he's not going to spread it himself by appearing to emperors of rome, china, or mesoamerica
>only to people who already knew who he was to begin with

>>216354662
>I dont remember this shit in church
that's because it's all fanfiction, not biblical

>>216354500
Did this really happened irl?

>>216360698
it's as real as schindler's list

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>>216360713
SHAMBLER'S LIST???

>>216354843
The New Testament is fan fiction

>>216361387
true, like 80% of it is written by a guy who never actually met jesus, but just saw him once in a vision

>>216354500
what's Jesus been doing the last 2k years? unironically

>>216361537
He just misplaced his keys and he cant leave his house til he finds them. What a ditz!

>>216361387
everything after Luke is fan fiction. John was written way after by a random that somehow fills in the gaps and Paul is an absolute fraud and charlatan

>>216361848
Just convert to Judaism, its all fanfics besides.

>>216357958
that would be a good argument if hell would be just be thought of as a seperation from god and not burning for eternity while you get raped and torn apart by demons

>>216361927
I do find Genesis through to the divided Kingdom quite entertaining

>>216361927
That's a bunch of fanfiction too. The OT was written, edited, and amended at various times throughout history. It's fanfic all the way down.

Great film, but way too much torture porn in it.

>>216354500
it's gonna be full of atmospheric no talk nothing happen like the first movie to give a sense of spirituality

>>216362058
whats the most pure way to read it? Or is it a lost cause?

>>216362099
Idk, I read the NABRE, which tells you a little about the background and history of the books, notes on translation, where different manuscripts disagree, etc. It's reliable AFAIK. But every translation is going to be distorted in some way. The only way to get the pure experience is the learn hebrew/greek/aramaic and read the manuscripts yourself.

>>216354500
If I remember correctly, Jesus stuck around for 30 days.
Also a bunch of dead people rose from the grave with him.

They could throw Jesus blinding Saul and his Journey to meet the Apostles in there too.

>>216360713
Are you anti-Semitic posting? Such content is prohibited when not on pol board.

>>216354500
he needs to make some chairs for his table

>>216354662
>>216354500
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrowing_of_Hell

>>216363066
I don't know, am I? >:)

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>>216354500
you honestly think a guy walks around occupied judea telling people to turn the other cheek and render unto caesar without being on the roman payroll?
it was a pacification psyop to disarm the radical zealots by convincing them that submission is spiritual victory and that paying taxes to your occupier is holy.
pilate washing his hands was just plausible deniability to protect a high level asset, and the crucifixion was pure theater.
they fed him a "sponge of vinegar" (likely a heavy sedative) to induce a coma, took him down before his legs were broken, and the empty tomb was literally just a dark of night extraction team recovering their operative to scrub the evidence.

jesus didn't ascend to heaven; he was debriefed and relocated to a seaside villa in gaul on a fat state pension.

>>216361927
Just say no to the synagoge of satan

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>>216354500
it will be a long wait but I am hyped

>>216354500
The timing looks like the time of year of the resurrection, and then pentecost.

>>216357653
>God created because he wanted to love something outside himself and have it love him back
>true love can only be demonstrated if you have the capacity to refuse it
>this requires free will
>logical arguments
i liked you more when you just masturbated to hitler and used christianity as an excuse

>>216354500
you'll regret this post

>>216362064
yeah that was the jewish buzzterm of the day

>oy vey how dare they show Jesus in pain....i dont believe he was the Son of God but oh my that was violent

>>216359132
>germans were the only ones with issue with Roman papal authority
Tell the class what happened in 1054. Then quote the other church fathers who did not put Rome over everyone else.

>>216359339
Who are you to question a doctor of the church?

>>216359802
>And book can't have metaphor and documentation

>>216361387
Then why doesn't Jesus do cool stuff like let the disciples get rich and get tones of women with a hedonistic afterlife?

>still seething after all these centuries over a simple document attached to a door
Martin Luther was pretty based ngl

>>216357653
There's no free will in Heaven then. You'll be a fleshy automaton that only exists to stroke God's ego.