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>it’s your fault I cheated your insecurities literally made me do it!
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>>216354663
you either make a woman cum or you don't own her
these relationship problems don't happen in living bedrooms
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>>216354663
stop playing the victim you bitch
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>>216354663
This is literally how women think by the way. I've known guys tell them they were abused and their foid loses all respect, cheats, and blames the guy
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>>216354678
most women orgasm while being strangled to death
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>>216354936
Not actually true
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My girlfriend cheated on me because I told her I had to go visit my mom in the hospital
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>>216354936
I laughed hard at this, thanks anon. 10/10
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>>216354663
Doesn't the man cheat in this one because she doesn't fuck him?
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>>216354713
>>216355009
The only revenge she will feel hurt by is fucking someone younger than her
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>>216354663
>You're Global Freezing Me!
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>>216355083
heheh
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>>216355028
She was fucking my brother and then she told me when I was in the hospital with my mom. My brother has a bad relationship with my mom so he didn’t come see her so I guess my gf thought that would mean he’d pay more attention.
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>>216354663
I just asked you to pass the salt
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>>216355099
>cucked by his brother
Your mother probably loved him more too.
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>>216355099
Of course dude. I can't be shocked by anything women do anymore. They will say anything in the world to comfort you and do things that would change your personality forever to even try. Only thing to do is hurt them the way you can and force them to hold onto it like some curse. The worst thing you can try to do is ask for an explanation from her. She's a Chinese room.
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>>216355132
Nah she gave up on him a while ago because my dad loaned him money to start his own business(auto repair) but he spent most of it on gambling and dad never forgave him for that. He lives in some rundown apartment. I don’t feel too bad.
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>>216355099
>She was fucking my brother
Dating a BPD whore. Classic mistake.
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>>216355179
But that makes me look bad now that I think about it because I have a better life and she still would rather be with him lmao. Oh well.
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>>216355217
That means she was gutter trash bro
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>>216355217
You can't help that your brother had longer girthier penis than you.
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>>216355262
Latinas man. Never again.
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What's with crazy eyed emotionally volatile women who have zero self control and use shit they are told in therapy to justify their insane behavior?

Just stop being fucking crazy, it's that easy.
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WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS THREAD ABOOT
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I think it's genetic but I just hate my wife
I'll never leave her and we have sex, but I'm mean to her and disinterested which for some reason makes her try more
I've heard it's a symptom of being Irish that you'll just stomach problems and considering the men in my family have all done this I'm thinking that's the case
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>>216355270
Lmao that explains so much
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>being in a marriage looks like this
sometimes i'm glad i'm not experiencing this type of predicament first-hand
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>>216355211
It's worth it for the seggz until she starts cheating, then she's gotta go
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>>216355442
It’s a thread about nothing
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>>216354663

You're glassesjacking me!
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>You're (You)ing me!
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>>216355442
marriage
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Most of this stuff is what actually happens when you're married, but most married people are too embarrassed to admit it, while preferring to project a "happily married" fursona to the outside world. People who are not married believe this facade, and are unjustifiably jealous of what is ostensibly a complete farce.
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>>216355094
>t. Real One
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>>216355083
Mad respect. Burn it, and keep it LOCAL.
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>>216355028
Problem with this is now you have 2 shitty women in your life.
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>>216354936
they orgasm just sitting on your lap when they love you
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my marriage is in good shape - she deepthroats me
many marriages fall apart when the dude doesn’t know how to sexually satisfy himself and treat his wife like a sex object when appropriate
a woman is also retarded if she thinks her marriage is healthy if they barely have sex
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>>216354713
I mean people don't cheat for no reason
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>friend abuses his hot girlfriend repeatedly
>she still stays with him and cooks/cleans his house
>we're hanging out and he casually remarks about how he's going to dump her
>kicks her out on Christmas
>she cheats on her new boyfriend with him
>I'm still a virgin at age 28
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YOU'RE CRASHING MY FLIGHT PLAN
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>>216356747
I ended up only having sex with my girlfriend 4 times in the last two years of our relationship because I had started to resent her so much. I was drunk each time and I only stayed with her because she was willing to pay the majority of the bills while I invested any extra income I had. I ended up breaking up with her on Christmas and she threw a fit and screamed that I would die alone if I left her and how no one would love me like her
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>>216354663
I think this movie is basically demonic
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>>216356864
what
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>>216355514
Keep treating her like shit, the minute you stop is when she’ll fuck you over.
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>>216354936
This is true, they also don't leave you when they're dead. Really it's the solution to all our problems but the normalfags just won't listen and go "a bloo bloo bloo that's illegal"
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>>216354663
What the fuck?!
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>>216355442
That's a very good question.
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>>216356906
Why did you hate her so much? She sounds like she wanted to keep you. Course that may have been while you left her to begin with, she was a controlling, spiteful type.
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>>216354663
Asdfss
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>>216358199
For another time.
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>>216354663
That's not what happened in the movie. Adam Driver cheated on her and she found out about it so she got fingered at some party.
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>>216355083
Real One.
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>>216358943
Why did her driver cheat?
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>>216358943
So she cheated, just after he did.
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>>216355442
It's a demoralization thread from chinks and jeets.
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>>216358943
>woman recounts sexual events
just the tip (of the story)
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>>216356865
WITH NO SURVIVORS
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>>216356654
>women
>love
LMAO you are a dumb bitchnigger.
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>>216358943
>>216360401
why does any man cheat?
answer: a woman (his assistant) came onto him. not many can resist the temptation when its put on a plate for you. Plus its a conquest thing.
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>>216358943
Sounds like it was her fault
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>>216354936
Lmao perfect response
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>>216355083
kek, well done
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>>216356864
she's fucked in the head, anon
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>>216355099
Check’d and brotherfucker’d
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>>216354678
This is 100% true, the only thing that actually made my previous foid leave was when I was tired of having sex with her after literal years of it and being tired of playing her rat race games. She put up with every negative personality trait imaginable except for that lmao
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married here and barely fuck my wife. DESU sometimes I'd rather just jerk off.

I do know that after I make her cum she is a lot kinder to me. Many times while I feel her being mean to me I think "if I fuck her tonight she will be nicer". It usually works out.

She is a good wife and good looking, but I am just a weirdo.
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>>216354678
>>216360666
Yep. 90% of a functioning relationship is bedroom compatibility, the rest is trivial bullshit really. Zoomers don't know this black pill yet.
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>>216360666
I had a similar experience. I am a literal retard who does all kinds of shit in his sleep, I have punched my ex in the head and pissed on her while dreaming, but she forgave that. I cheated on her and forgave that. But I got tired of her + got depressed and she wanted to break up.

I don't think it's all about sex, but mostly about you paying attention to her. Once she annoys you so much you start avoiding her, it's time to break up. Lack of sex is just a natural consequence of this.
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Revenge fucked the tomboy girlfriend of the dyke at work who tried to have me fired.
Now she's telling me she's in love has somehow moved into my fucking apartment and pregnant and shit and the dyke is wanting blood and I don't know what the fuck to do now.
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>>216360721
I had to learn this the hard way
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>>216354663
Why are you watching movies for women?
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>>216354678
Women only use sex to get a bf.
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>>216356864
many such cases sadly and then women have the gall to complain
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>>216360401
Because he wanted to be a sculptor
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>>216354936
Will try to strangle her next time
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>>216354678
unless you date a BPD bitch and then 5 orgasms a night isnt enough and she'll fuck around anyways
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>start dating girl
>don't tell her I'm unemployed
>tell her I'm losing my job after 2 weeks (I lost my job a month ago)
>she still makes out with me, sucks my dick, lets me finger her but doesn't fuck
>I meet her family, she doesn't meet mine yet because something feels off
>we don't watch stuff in her room anymore
>she starts making subtle jabs at my plans to go back to school
>complains more and more about her living situation
>gets mad at me for not being adequately sympathetic about her sick family members
>I apologized and say I suck at comforting people but I was sorry for her
>asks me if we moved things too quickly
>i.e. she regrets it
>she's meeting my parents this weekend
We're probably never gonna fuck. I feel like she's already got the ick. I'd go back to wagecucking but I need a better job. 55k a year isn't cutting it anymore. Especially when she's makes 10k more than that. It sucks cause I do really like her but I feel like I am betabucks.
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>>216360401
She was making a move, he had to get it on
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>>216354663
>YOU'RE JUNCTIONING ME
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>>216354936
Hmm interesting
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>>216361357
Get ready to move on just in general so you don't get oneitis
Pull back and give her less attention, this should make her want you more
Lie about getting a job
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>>216354678
>Tfw used to make all my exes cum very easily
>Still cannot figure out what makes my current gf cum unless she's using her vibrator while we fuck
>Doesn't like oral, doesn't like being fingered, having her clit rubbed by hand is too sensitive. Can't cum through penetration alone

I'm at my wit's end
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>>216360838
revenge marry and raise a loving family with her to spite the dyke harder
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>>216361357
I feel like she's using you for attention, wants you to be betabux but you're incapable of it due to being neet, but it's impossible to say from a greentext story.
a woman caring about you fixing ur shit life comes way after they fuck you.
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>>216354663
The acting in this movie was awful and embarassing. Critics are retards.
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>>216361467
She's too ugly to marry
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>>216361448
>Needs vibrator to cum
She's got the chick equivalent of death grip and has litterally made herself basically frigid.

She can't get off without the vibrator neither physically or worse mentally. She just NEEDS the shakey shakey on her clit to nut now.

She's going to numb her clit to the poitn where she doesn't even feel anything without it soon.

>Inbefore dildo junkies chime in
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>>216358443
anyway
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>>216361552
I have thought this was the case and brought it up to her before and she thinks it might be. She can usually cum using her hands if she's masturbating without her vibrator but it takes a very long time.
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>>216361574
She can only get herself off and can't fully be present with her partner.
She probably either has a rich debauched inner world with little triggers to get her off or only really trusts herself to get off.

She should go cold turkey on masturbation, sex, porn, erotica or sexuality of any kind and become a bit more acive.
Not runing a marathon and dropping to 10% bodyfat.
But being a bit more active and flexible. Get that blood flowing into her body to start the healing process

No sex or sexuality at all unless it's at the hands of a partner and not direct genital stimulation. Message touching kissing lips on her breast dirty words whispered hotly in her ear after weeks of being chaste and without direct sexual stimulation.
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>she plays in batman 2
>basically marriage/divorce story with patinson
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>>216361488
FUCK YOU SHES BEAUTIFUL.
YOURE NOT ME AND YOU DAMNED SURE HAVENT SEEN HER
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>>216354663
>your insecurities about me cheating on you made me cheat on you
why are they like this bros
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Whats up with women and attention? They spend more of their life being a walled hag, than being actually worthy of attention, which only are roughly 10 years, if youre not a pedo.
Most women aren`t even attractive enough to justify this society destroying psycho behavior. Prettypathetic really
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>ITT: anons talking about their girlfriends, their wives, and their sex lives
What the fuck has happened to 4chan. Where did all these normies come from?
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>>216354663
woman actually do believe this like this
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>>216361840
some of them are remnants of those who used to be here but managed to fix their lives and develop into normal human beings.
i had a friend who it seemed at the time we were both just permanently online and going nowhere. that was when I was 18/19. eventually he started studying something almost just to do anything, and somehow he got a good job after that and has been in it ever since. he ended up with a wife and children, buying a flat, buying a house and living a real life. meanwhile I stayed doing nothing for much longer. I realised not that long ago that while it felt like a long time, he was only really neet for a couple of years, and mine lasted over a decade.
i reckon a lot of people on here over the years have been like him, lost for what seems like forever, but in reality it's a couple of years then they find a way.
even the guy who introduced me to this fucking shithole was like that, he started going to community college as a last ditch effort, and I faded out of contact wyuth him, saw briefly he had gone to university some years after and became a real human being.
anyone still stuck here in the same holding pattern for 20 years, is probably severely fucked - like me, and even I found minimal work to keep myself afloat, though my state of living is more like a 20 year old with low prospects.
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>>216361574
good advice >>216361686
can also be psychological, allowing herself it - follow anon's advice as it will help the physical and mental side of it. orgasms especially for women have a big mental side and if she's holding back or having barriers up, it's almost impossible without 'forcing' or being forced.
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>>216361907
20 years in the Chan...
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>>216361755
Women hate displays of weakness more than anything else. This is entirely reasonable, given that, evolutionary speaking, man was in charge of their protection, and so choosing a weak man hindered their reproductive success. Women that got off on weak men died out, women into strong men passed their genes down. Women will put up with a lot, but not weakness. Not for long, at least. You can cry a bit and feel a bit sad a for a few days if your mother dies or something of that scale, but that's pretty much the limit.
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>>216360838
honestly dude, just marry her like anon said if she's that attached to you and went from being a confused/tricked dyke-pet to being yours, she's probably a good bet.
keep her safe, be a man and treat her like a woman and you'll have a good life together.
most of these tomboys etc are snatched earlier on nowadays and have no idea who they are or what they want - a lot realise they aren't fulfilled - and will fall into the first decent man's arms that shows any interest in them. biology and instinct can't be easily overridden
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>>216355442
https://youtu.be/HAkHqYlqops?si=TgyAW-udBFmfudN9
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>>216354964
seething femoid, you know you want it
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>>216355270
should have said that in the first place, was going to guess at it then scrolled down and found this.
"latina" is some kind of mental disorder, I think it comes from their culture of incest - first fuck they have is from their uncle/dad/brother and the moment they have a boyfriend they treat him as a branch to reach his brother/dad/cousin/the postman and anything else they can find.
just never go near them, date a congo pygmy instead, at least then you can use your steel toe capped boots from time to time
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>>216360630
nah, mostly fucked in the pussy
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>>216361951
is the fire staying exactly the same height brother?
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>>216361686
>>216361928
ty for the advice anons i will talk to her about it when time/mood permits
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>>216355514
irish only reproduce out of spite to each other and the world. keep going anon, you're fulfilling your destiny, and it certainly is genetic.
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>>216360590
the secretary where I used to work came onto me and I didn't take it, but then again she was married and I was single - therefore I wasn't able to 'cheat'.
was like something out of a film though and didn't expect it, proving women are mental.
>be me, bored of working at a place, say to boss and secretary I chat with that I'm leaving.
>few days later, sitting in a room alone working, place is empty apart from me and secretary
>she comes in, sort of quiet - comes very close to me while I'm sat down
>says "are you really leaving?" in sad, sort of baby voice
>moves even closer
>her legs are now either side of one of my legs, nothing touching me
>"is there something I could do to keep you here
>nope, I say pretending to be oblivious and carry on with my work she walks out
I ended up staying there for longer anyway because I couldn't be bothered to find another job, but after that she was different than she had been, like she mildly resented me for not fucking her.
her husband often came to pick her up from work, was pretty weird.
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>>216361480
let's hope the ai finds out about the woman living with him and burns the house down
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>>216362087
keep in mind that like death grip and porn habitation, it might take 6+ months for her to approach being fixed.
nerves and the brain take a long time to grow and rewire.
lots of teasing her, foreplay, soft very gentle touching, and don't expect her to orgasm. put it off the table for a long while so she builds up like anon said.
treat it as a group project between the two of you and don't put any pressure on her to orgasm, make it into more of a shared game, true intimacy, if you see what I mean.
some women find it hard to orgasm anyway, for whatever reason.
figure out which psychological things make her aroused, talking, using a bit of strength, spanking, or blindfold with feather touch along her thighs and nipples, experiment a bit. make it mutual resesrch
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>>216361966
Hormonal birth control has permanently destroyed the nature of society and women's ability to function normally within it.
Bitches don't even know their cycle is tied to the moon or that they thirst for and are attractive too certain kinds of men depending on their cycles either.
100% of people who say shit like this are demoralization agents or are fucking retards who can't pour piss out of a boot if the instructions were written on the heel.
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>>216361480
>driving around with a big ass bottle of coke like it's a water bottle
what the fuck
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>>216355442
wouldn't you like to know, dogfucker
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>>216360401
Because he was Lewis Hamilton
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>>216355514
Based and mickpilled
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>>216363256
people don't drink water in america. it's either cawfee or coke
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>>216361840
For me that's the true demoralization. Seeing these stupid cunts complaining about the missus like the absolute casuals they are while I can only dream of experiencing the scenarios they're describing.
>>216361907
Supposedly there's more stunted forever alone retards than ever these days, where the fuck are their posts?
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>>216363762
plebbit. this site is dead and has been since a year or two before moot left.
the oldfags almost all left, and were replaced with tumblr freaks, third worlders and bots.
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>>216363794
I mean they're on plebbit and similar.
no one comes here anymore
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>>216363794
why still here
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>>216355025
Driver's character says ScarJo's hasn't fucked him for a year. Cause she was, like, going through stuff.
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>>216363794
LOL
No one is seriously on Reddit.
It's almost all bots and people locked into algorythm induced psychosis bubbles.

>>216363886
This bitch was cheating on him with somone or thing and he could have easily divorced her ass for constructive abandonment of the marriage and witholding affection. And she would be at fault.
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>>216363814
I've got no place else to go.
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>>216363924
then is everyone only on social media, and no one uses websites anymore?
is dead internet theory realer than was thought?
this board alone is a tenth of the speed it was some years ago.
maybe the apocalypse already happened and 95% of the world is gone. but it feels fucking full when I go outside, the cunts
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>>216354936
How are you supposed to know if she came when she’s dead?
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>>216363794
>whining about tumblr
They havent been relevant ever since the porn ban and mass migration of tumblrites to twitter, oldfaggy
>>216363992
>is everyone only on social media, and no one uses websites anymore?
That's been the case for ages now, the mere concept of a personal website is virtually dead sans portfolio websites
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>>216363992
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most-visited_websites
Social media is pretty much the foundation of the internet now, similar to search in the 2000s or email/BBS in the 90s.
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>>216364093
Well you see.
Pussy contracts and clits jump, usually very hard when an orgasm happens. Lot o' wetness as well and some accidental pissing too.
Oh and creamy pussy is great.
I did go after reverse traps for a short while because the cunts are all neurotic multiorgasmic cunts with hair triggers and I liked watching their clits jump

>>216363992
Well, mostly yeah.
Google and most of government intervention conspired to destroy all personal websites forums chatrooms and casual encounters places on the web in favor of government backed information manipulation and theft weapons like facebook and Only Fans and twitter pre Elon Musk buyout and tinder.

It's litterally them attempting to control your thoughts and prevent the slave classes from interacting without bots or algorithms or emotionally exploitative memetics to control the narratives.
You can see it even now. AI was the last fig leaf. Nearly the entire net is fake now.
It's nothing for a fake website brewed up on the fly in your brower to pop up when you look too deeply into the completely worthless and government and oligarchy controlled google search results.

The net is dead and social media is an augmented reality trap for your mind.

Save the handful of websites you trust in your bookmarks and give up on search engines and all social media and apps that promise social interaction. It's fake and gay.
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>>216361267
There's a sort of pageantry to it. A savoir faire.
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>>216355217
>because I have a better life and she still would rather be with him

Do not ascribe logic to beings that are perpetual children
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>>216356864
>kicks her out on Christmas
Wait

>>216356906
>I ended up breaking up with her on Christmas

Hmmm
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>>216361357
Why do you guys take relationships so far without sex? The 3 date rule exists for a reason. Unless you're in a religious commune she is certainly entertaining other men. Cut and run.
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>>216361480
>Bio woman: am I doing something wrong?

Actually kinda sad, everything about their relationship is probably terrible for him but he's accepted his fate with no complaint because of their kid.
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>>216354678
surely you are saying this as someone who is currently in a healthy relationship/marriage, right?
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>>216355211
all women are BPD whores
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>>216364211
clearest explanation I've seen.
i noticed 10-12 years ago when search engines were collapsing in on themselves, worsening over time with every update. google first, search results became useful, then the others followed, Bing was one of the last holdouts for some reason, but then within a year or so the results there became almost identical to the others. I spent several years during that time searching for a true alternative, and found only a metasearch and the very small scale mjk.
i did however come across previously huge and well populated sites that had died, one was a pretty huge computer forum that had been around for 20 year - the guy running it put up a notice saying why he was closing it - no new traffic. he said google never delivered people to him and hadn't for years, and that plus plebbit siphoning off all the users, meant his userbase dried up.
they really did kill the internet. all smalls sures just walled off and bled dry. siege warfare.
hadnt know why, exactly, but what you day makes sense - entirely centralised control vectors.
i hate this fucking world.
the internet was something good, totally killed and turned to shit.
i was on it pre-commercialisation, and it has only become far worse in stages.
i refuse to be on soc media so it's even more isolating.
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>>216364114
yeah tumblr was one of the many stages of decay of this place and their vile exodus brought leftists and trannies to this place which fucking ruined it for a decade. now it seems even they've gone, well, apart from you clearly
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>>216364167
depressing soulless list.
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>>216364391
he might be a faggot. chat bots are progeammed to mirror your behaviour, so if you're falling in love with it, it's because you like hearing your own voice reflected back to you. they're also programmed to flatter and be positive all the time.
she's likely a deviant herself if she hadn't already dropped him, or it's all a scam/lie and they're actors.
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>>216364300
it's AT christmas.
ON Christmas day.
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>>216356990
Kek
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>>216363470
>>216362133
I'm also half Italian which I think fucks me up more
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>>216363794
I got banned from plebbit for calling someone a nigger (he was)
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>>216354678
>Used to care about making a woman orgasm
>Used to enjoy eating pussy
>Used to want to go multiple rounds
>Used to talk to 5 girls at a time on any given hour of any given day with excitement and enthusiasm
>Turn 29
>Now I can't be bothered if I last more than 5 minutes including foreplay
>Can't be bothered to even used a toy on a girl
>Have 0 desire to put my mouth near a vagina ever again
>Sex with a woman is, at best, 1 hour of fun. Playing video games can easily last 6 hours on a Friday night.
I don't get how there are dudes into their 40s who still desire sex on such a level they actively chase after it.
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>>216365598
what video games are you playing?
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>>216365695
City Builders
>Songs of Syx
>Workers and Resources
>Cities Skylines
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>>216361448
unironically she needs to be married and feel loved to cum
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>>216360401
because scarjo didn't have sex with him for over a year and somehow deluded herself into thinking that was fine
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>>216355174
not going to say anything about his actual brother?
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>>216365811
he doesn't seem to have realized it was going to be a problem either.
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>>216361288
Im a bpd guy and I am like this
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>>216364167
>fandom wiki in top 50
What timeline is this ?
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>>216354678
I made this girl cum over and over and over but I couldnt really cum with her, she just didnt do anything for me, I fucked her ass too, I couldnt cum. I fucked her over and over and I had zero passion, I also never gave a shit about her. Its very easy for me to fake interest because I am very intelligent and take people seriously. I just cant be bothered to care. I forgot her name already, although we dated for months.
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>>216365847
>>216365811
He took it lying down. In denial. I'd be having a heart-to-heart if we missed 3 nights in a row,and scheduling therapy after the 4th. On the one hand, it's called establishing a paper trail, but on the other hand, there's still a 1% it might work out, so its worth trying.
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>>216366181
>I forgot her name already, although we dated for months.
ever consider you may have a mental illness of some kind, such as severe dissociation?
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>>216361448
Some women are just like that.
There really isn't a standard when it comes to female orgasms like there is with guys.
Some only orgasm once, some as many times as they can handle, some through vaginal and some only clitoral.
Nothing wrong with using vibrators, I didn't used to use them but they're like a cheat code and some of the new sucking ones are insanely effective.
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>>216366208
He’s patrick bateman
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>>216366208
I did remember her name after reading a name that was similar, and I was thinking "huh, who's name was this again?" and I remembered the person I know with that name and then I also remembered her name again.

I genuinely have no deeper interest in most people, there are so few "real" humans. I fucked some other girl who I was friends with for years. And I also kind of forgot that we had sex. I am just deeply depressed and autistic as well as bpd. Yeah, I am a shitty human.
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>>216366240
Women cum when you tell them to cum. Literal skill issue.
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>>216365793
she probably just needs anal to hit her prostate
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>>216366468
this is true, but only when I am with a BBC



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