>>216467873
>The truth according to the foid
>The truth
I turned the movie off in that exact moment.

>>216467873
The fight was cool.

>>216467873
that's a great movie

>>216468706
Cool, as in, cool colors palette, yeah.

>>216467873
Ridley Slop

>>216467873
This film was completely snubbed at the oscars. Despite its flaws it did not deserve to be completely boxed out. Jodie Cromer was great.

>>216467873
>the truth according to Matt Damon
Adam Driver is kind of an asshole
>the truth according to Adam Driver
actually Adam Driver is an even bigger asshole than you thought
also Matt Damon is kinda bad at speaking in front of a group
how nuanced, bravo Nolan

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Good movie l liked Jean de Carrouges Swords and Armour looking for better pictures of his swords and armour??.

>>216470919
It deserved nothing.

>>216467873
the story actually happened for real and le gris admitted to the rape before getting killed in the duel, i don't get why ridley insists on taking real stories and spinning them into midwit liberalisms, same thing happened with kingdom of heaven which christmutts think is based even though its progressive liberal slop

>>216471623
this, especially when you read about the real story, it was actually a great courtroom drama

>During the criminal trial, all the major figures in the case were called on to give evidence. Le Gris and Carrouges began proceedings and were followed by a heavily pregnant Marguerite and at least one of her maidservants as well as Adam Louvel. As people of low birth, Louvel and the servants were all subject to torture to test the veracity of their testimony, but none gave evidence against Le Gris and the case continued through the summer and into September without conclusion.[20] Le Gris' case involved several strategies; he attempted to discredit his opponent by telling of Carrouges' infamous temper and describing the case against him as a jealous invention from a man who had threatened to beat his wife if she did not corroborate his accusations.[21] Le Gris then provided alibis for the entire week in question, establishing his whereabouts in testimony backed up by several other squires of the court of Count Pierre. Finally, he attempted to demonstrate in court that it was physically impossible for him to have ridden in winter from Argentan to Capomesnil, where the crime supposedly took place, in a single day, a round trip of approximately 50 miles (80 km).[22]

I did like how the ending proved that he was a rapist, as God weighed in favor of the opposing party and allowed him to lose the duel, but "the truth" section was absolute bullshit.

>>216471716
It was better than other movies nominated that year. And Matt Damon was better the Will smith was in the role he won for.

>>216471671
anyone who thinks it's pro-Christian has only seen memes and clips.

>>216467873
one of the best movies of the last 5 years

>>216472003
Definitely not a great nominations list, but all the same, the director can fuck off with his retarded bullshit. It would objectively have been a really good movie, if he'd left it ambiguous. Forcing a narrative in, that claims to be the objective truth, ruined the entire premise of the movie.
It was really, really stupid.

>>216467924
Those two words singlehandedly destroyed the movie.

>villain is... LE GRIS?

Whenever someone praises a new post-Blade Runner Ridley Scott film, I instantly dismiss them and continue living my life.

#BelieveAllWomen

Women are perfect magical angels who never lie and are never wrong and have unique access to objective reality.

>>216467873
This movie is great and I'm tired of pretending it isn't.

>>216470919
Oscars just hate Ridley Scott for some reason. There is a heaviness and weight to the film. Like a physical exhaustion. It wasn't Scott's greatest but it's probably his best film so far.

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It is established that the Demon character already struggled to have the first kid, even implied it wasn't actually his.

It is established they believe a woman must be into it to concieve.

It is established the woman made a random remark that the the Driver guy is attractive.

It is established the mother really wanted an heir. And the mother made the maid away to guarantee the woman will be alone in the house.

Also, at one point the mother straight up tells the woman if only she'd just shut up and get on with life.

tl:dr, i think the film leads you to believe that the mother set it all up. That yes, Driver indeed forced himself on her, but the mother probably manipulated him and fed him some bullshit she really wants him and will just play hard to get for the mother was aware her son shoots blanks and wanted a heir and just assumed Coon will be quite about the ordeal.

>>216472302
Yeah, this is what I thought too, the mother was real sus fr

>>216467873
> After his death, his estates passed to his 10-year-old son, Robert de Carrouges, and a mural of Jean and Marguerite de Carrouges was painted in the Abbey of St. Étienne in Caen to celebrate his memory. Over time, both the family and mural faded into obscurity.
thats from Wikipedia.

I think they made point of stating they had no other children at the end which apparently is not accurate. not sure why they would add that little bit. like omg its still up the air lol

>>216472444
i copied the wrong passage, it says somewhere they had more than one kid.

>>216472302
i think i might have gotten something like this but i don't remember the scenes you're talking about, ridley is a known liberal boomer and its a feminist movie either way imo, its not a secret "women are evil" movie, thats why you see her perspective last and le gris and carrouges' versions are idealizing themselves and absolving them of guilt, its toxic mens lack of self awareness blablabla.
both are icky toxic moids, one is a stubborn and narrow minded conservative soldier without compassion and the other is a sly hedonist womanizer, the woman was probably supposed to be innocently naive and just kind of exists while everyone and everything takes advantage of her because patriarchy. i don't remember this "mother" character at all so maybe i should rewatch it some time.

>>216467873
>The woman's story is the absolute truth
>>216467924
>I turned the movie off in that exact moment.

Thank you for the information, I almost watched this movie yesterday, now I know to never do so.

#BelieveAllWomen
#MeToo
#AllMenAreRapists

>>216472474
> Carrouges and his wife went on to have two more children over the next three years, and Carrouges became a bodyguard to the King and dealt with the King's violent outbursts of insanity. In 1396, Carrouges participated in the crusade against the Turks, during which he and his commander Jean de Vienne were killed at the Battle of Nicopolis when their forces were trapped in a gully and decimated by Turkish cavalry.

I cant find a proper source for this, but it sounds like it could make for a decent sequel. BRING BACK THE MULLET

>>216471671
>le gris admitted to the rape before getting killed in the duel
lolno Carrouges and his slut wife were literally pauper nobodies trying to steal from Le Gris with an unprovable lie. Le Gris then won the duel, but instead of killing him stepped back and allowed him to concede. Carrouges got a lucky tackle then tried to make him "confess." Le Gris facing death refused to tell the lie and died.

After no one believed Carrouges anyway, his bid to get Le Gris's land still failed and he and his slut wife died poor and what land they did have was sold off.

The movie is decent until the third woman perspective then it gets tedious as fuck because the woman's perspective is like 90% shot for shot exactly what we went over in the two previous stories with no changes with some scenes of her nagging the farmers around her husbands estate. completely pointless and sucked all the air out of the movie. who thought showing the exact same things a second time was a good idea? it's fucking boring. atleast change it a LITTLE

>>216472542
The vocabulary you use is disgusting SJW nonsens.

But I do suggest you watch it again and pay attention to the mother.

Driver definitely expected a warm welcome. Obviously there would be some playful resistance, a game played, but he is established as a womanizer with no shortage of women to fuck. No reason for him to rape rape. But really pay attention to the mother. A typical stern matriarch.

>>216472186
I can't believe you don't love... uh... *checks notes* ...Thelma & Louise!

>>216467873
>>216467924
dummies who missed the point

>>216467873
>>216471511
Theo Von lookin ahh nigga

>>216471671
watch the Director's Cut goofy ahh.

>>216473396
What's the point then you fucking simp?
Legit the movie feels like an insulting waste of time to because of
>the truth
Why force us to sit through 90 minutes of establishing both Carrouges and Le Gris as unreliable narrators only to clobber the audience over the head with an announcement that the REAL STORY is about to be told? If Ridley Scott is going to just tell us how the events of the story are supposed to be interpreted, then everything that came before it feels like a waste of time.

>>216472244
Have you heard of this film called "Alien"? Or gladiator?

>>216467873
Rashomon is great and this is very good
so nice they had to do it twice

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>>216467873
that sounds like kusoge

>>216471671
>le gris admitted to the rape before getting killed in the duel
Why do you lie?
>As the crowd watched in silence, Carrouges shouted in Le Gris' exposed face for him to confess his crime before death or face Hell. Le Gris replied so all could hear, "In the name of God, and on the peril and damnation of my soul, I am innocent of the crime." Enraged, Carrouges drew his misericorde and thrust it through Le Gris' throat, killing him instantly.[29]

>>216474607
weird, i remember the wikipedia saying really the opposite of the movie.

>>216467873
>There are people who watched it for any other reason than Ben
>Worse yet, there are people who discuss this movie for any other reason than Ben

>>216473396
I'm just going to reduplicate what that other anon said.
When you are presenting 3 stories told by 3 people with obvious bias to make the POV raconteur be in the best light possible, for what driven reason are you siding with one of them by explicitly implying that one of the stories is an actual truth despite it having the same in-built bias in its recitation? What point did we miss, anon, pray tell? What was the purpose of the extreme discrepancy in accounts? Why have you wasted everyone's time with a 3 second edit? Ridley?

>>216474733
Ben? Do you mean Adam Driver? fuck i wish he never became famous. Darth Schnozzburg sucks!

>>216474918
believe all women that's why.

>>216474967
Yeah, I know. That's the only feasible explanation available. They couldn't allow for even a possibility of it being interpreted as them not siding with the woman. But I'm asking that faggot retard what, in his opinion, the artistic merit is of flushing down the toilet the entire vision of the narrative by making two words linger in edit?

>>216473516
Director's cut cope is wornout. It's still retarded and made from a 2000s Liberal POV that is inaccurate as fuck.

>>216467873
>>216473396
Nobody missed "the point." The movie is fundamentally flawed because it shows us 3 perspectives while admitting only the woman's is correct. So then why even have the Rashomon structure? The audience isn't left guessing about what really happened, the movie just tells us. And the only reason they tell us is because this whole movie is Matt Damon & Ben Affleck apologizing for being friends with Harvey Weinstein and showing a raped woman "reclaim her narrative." This is literally the point of the movie's existence, they just hired Ridley Scott to direct it

The movie is only redeemed by the actual duel being surprisingly cool as fuck and sort of makes the movie worth seeing

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>>216476014
Top writing credit goes to this mammy jew btw

>>216471671
Fun fact: Matt Damon's character Jean de Carrouges in real life ended up dying fighting in the Battle of Nicopolis, one of the last crusades. That would be a great movie to make, they could even cast Damon again

>>216471716
The real-life details of this incident are more interesting than the movie because it tries to be a #MeToo apology film instead of a historical drama

>>216473396
No Ridley Scott missed the point of Rashomon

>>216472631
Someone should re-edit the movie and just combine all 3 segments but keeping only the true version of events, so we don't have to watch the same scenes over and over with minor differences. The rape scene is almost the exact same the multiple times they show it, very minor differences

>>216476076
Making a movie about Muslim invaders succeeding would be a little too controversial for today's world

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>>216476071
But the most glaring issue has nothing to do with what is written. It is basically written like Rashomon the decision to inflict this was made in post. Who it belongs to doesn't matter since everyone approved it. Delete this frame from the movie, and it's a passable revamping of the Rashomon concept. except built on bias and distortion instead of outright mutual contradiction.

>>216476250
In real life, was there a definitive answer to what really happened? Or did historians accept the Driver character was really a rapist because he lost the duel

>>216476250
I don't agree with this, because the "true" version of events shown in the film goes further than just depict the rape. It shows her marriage in a totally different light, it shows her treated as a trophy and asset to Damon's vanity, and the movie ends with her cradling the baby without Damon's character seen because he died in the Crusades after. It's very unambiguous that the movie shows her retelling of events as the correct version. Removing the fact that the movie calls it "the truth" won't change that

>>216476283
Le Gris's lawyer thought he was guilty, and one of the witnesses for Le Gris as to his whereabouts would rape someone himself during proceedings. Make of it what you will because it doesn't matter. That's not what the issue is. Carrouges's version does not deny that Le Gris raped her, if this is the point of contention, then his version is as valid. But that's not how the movie is structured.

>>216476317
Anon, all of their versions have the inherited partisanship for the one from whose perspective it's being told in order for them to be the most noble and, at the same time, the most wronged side. What are you talking about? All 3 stories are structured this way to unambiguously show them being in the right. Without 'the truth' plaque, Marguerite has no actual objective reason to be the one telling the truth since her account of being the wholesome chungus who did nothing wrong is literally identical to two other men who, in their respective accounts did nothing wrong.

>>216476449
If the movie didn't presume that she was correct even without telling us, then they wouldn't have gone through the trouble showing how much different the marriage was in her version and mocking Damon's character for being bad at sex. Plus the ending where she's alone happy with her child, implying that her husband brought her no happiness and she's better off without him. It's just not true that the problems with the movie could be fixed by removing 1 frame. Other things point to her version being correct

>>216476575
>If the movie didn't presume that she was correct even without telling us
It literally didn't. Why do you think the truth edit is even there? Because creators themselves didn't think they the movie could've been easily interpreted in her favor without literal flashing text on the screen when stacked up against men version who had the exact same degree of leaning.
>they wouldn't have gone through the trouble showing how much different the marriage was in her version
The relationship is different in every version, that's the point of these versions. Why are you pretending that without the edit, one version has more validity over another?
In Carrogues version he is shown to be a caring husband, good man and a warrior who was wronged in both land rights, honor and well being of his wife. What makes his version less valid then wife's or Le Gris? All three make the truth teller to appear in the right.
>Plus the ending where she's alone happy with her child
So it confirms Le Gris's version where she never actually loved the poor cuck and just wanted to fuck Driver stud? You see how all of the versions fold onto themselves and can be easily read as legit ones with even modicum degree of conformation bias.
>Other things point to her version being correct
As it should. Since all of their version supposed to favor them and present thier truth in the best light. Thank God creators removed any ambiguity who had the truthest of truth with a simple edit.

>>216476883
do you really think it was a post-production decision to make her version the truth?

>>216476076
>dying fighting in the Battle of Nicopolis
Based. Fuck those Germanic turd munchers

>>216467873
>be weeb
>actually believe japan has any original meeia
lmao

>>216476974
I have no idea, since no one on the production team ever talked about it in the interviews. So ironically this is the only piece of ambiguity that ever surrounds this film. But yes, I do think so. Since if this was the intention from the start this would have never been structured into Rashamon at all. They would also include actual elements into her version that wouldn't entirely favor her to contrast biased telling of men with actual account of person who is fluffing herself up by giving you pointless scene of her doing accounting for the estate because dumb men can't do what she, a wholesome chugus can. But no such scene to define her account as nothing but biased exists in the movie. Her version is carbon copy of "me, the victim, the most wronged one" just like two previous versions. So yes I do indeed think this was a decision in post, so they wouldn't be accused of a crime of not believing all women. There wouldn't be any need in the the truth plaque if what you are describing was the goal from page one.

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>>216477238
Not sure how much your idea holds to scrutiny given it's well known that this movie was a MeToo apology sermon and was intended to be that from Damon and Affleck

>>216477388
>Affleck isn't smiling
what did he know

>>216477388
>it's well known that this movie was a MeToo apology sermon
Now that's an actual headcanon. My shizo shit about retroactive edit only takes in the account what is in the movie and it's intentional structure that gets undermined and wasted by one single edit.
If this was a sermon, why in the living breathing fuck did they build it on a foundation of script that can be interpreted as you permiating "slut asked for that dih"?

>>216477472
he's sigma smiling.

>>216477388
So it's pretty much confirmed that Harvey raped his way into getting an Oscar for Shakespeare in Love, right?

>>216467873
epic win OP. the way you made a comparison to a classic.. perfect. The way you explained the location, perfect. The cynicism about it all is the cherry on top. I haven't enjoyed a movie in a decade and I love you.

>>216467924
Women are master manipulators due to their lack of physical strength, just like jews. It's an adaptation.