I hardly ever hear anyone ever talk about them even when the first one was new. Does anybody actually care?
I'm convinced its not the movie; its the tech that's being invented and pushed forward. They're not even made like traditional movies; the actors are filmed separately and the entire scene around them, from the lights to the setting, is designed digitally afterwards.How Avatar is made today is how movies are gong to be made in 20 years.
>>216482181Wouldn't that be almost anything about Lucasfilm too tho? ILM innovated a LOT.
>>216482145I've seen both of them multiple times, got them on bluray you see. The 3D experience in the theater is preferable, but I still enjoy them at home. AMA
theyre fuckin bad lol
I saw it twice in theaters in 2009, saw avatar 2 once in theaters, and have rewatched both a few times
>>216482200Why does it seem like nobody ever talks about them?
I saw the original and actually burst out laughing during it. I have not discussed with anyone the second movie other than my friend going wait, there's another avatar movie? I have not talked to anyone who has seen the last one or is aware of the next one.
>>216482263Who knows I saw the first one and liked the take on shamanic animism like enjoying star wsrs for the force, visually is made of the best cgi on the oddest looking aliens
I tried rewatching the first one a few months ago. It was so cringely awful, I had to turn it off.
>>216482263I dunno. Maybe because they're just movies. How often do you talk about The Godfather with someone? What about The 400 Blows? Ikiru? The Maltese Falcon? The Sting?Pretty much never, right? That's because they're just movies. You watch it and there it is.
To be fair, we could be looking at Cameron's first major flop here. Avatar fatigue is at an all-time high and nobody knows who the characters even are (Chris Gore proved this on Critical Drinker After Hours by asking them to name the kids without googling)
>>216482346People reference The Godfather all the time dude. Nobody seems to reference Avatar at all. I don't see any references to it in pop media at all.
>>216482386Notice how you went from "people talking about it" to "pop media references", don't you think that's odd?
>>216482193Jim's far more hands on than George was. George started those companies (LucasFilm, LucastArts, ILM, Skywalker Sound, THX) and managed them, but more or less he was hands off. Jim bought his own steadicam, took it completely apart and put it back together for nothing other than redesigning it from scratch so that he could improve it. The two think differently about their approach to cinema, but both desire to improve the viewing and film watching experience.
>>216482403nopeople talk about the godfather, they talk about the maltese falcon, nobody seems to talk about avatar
>>216482413When was the last time you talked to someoen about either of those films? I've literally never heard anyone in real life refer to the Maltese Falcon, ever. I bet if I asked 20 people, 19 of them wouldn't know what it was. The Godfather they'd have heard of, many of them might've seen it. But Avatar? Everyone would know what it was (that cartoon with the bald kid!) and they'd have seen it.
>>216482145>Has anybody actually watched these films?Yes, but there's a men in black memory erase effect that's done on you as you leave the theatre. So your money is gone but you have gained nothing. You'll see people who said they saw them multiple times, that's because they're unconsciously driven to try to reconcile their experience to make sense 'I must have seen something, I'll look again'. But they're only human, and won't have been able to defeat it. It is not possible to recall "Avatar". It could be anything that happens in there. It could be fucked up beyond your worst nightmares
>>216482438This thread is talking about the Avatar films, not the unrelated cartoon - which seems to have more of an impact in pop culture than the Avatar movies have.>I've literally never heard anyone in real life refer to the Maltese Falcon, ever.It's one of Humphrey Bogart's most well known films. What kind of peasants are you talking to?
>>216482145That's a really interesting observation, and one that has been discussed a lot!The short answer is yes, an incredible number of people have watched the Avatar films, particularly on the big screen. The box office numbers are massive, but you are right that they seem to have a different kind of cultural footprint compared to other major franchises.Here is a breakdown of why you might feel that way, based on the film's success and public reception: Unprecedented Box Office SuccessThe first film, Avatar (2009), became the highest-grossing film of all time worldwide, a title it holds again today (after briefly being surpassed by Avengers: Endgame and then reclaiming the spot with re-releases). It was the first movie to ever cross the $2 billion mark.The sequel, Avatar: The Way of Water (2022), also became a massive success, grossing over $2.3 billion worldwide and becoming one of the top five highest-grossing films of all time.These numbers clearly show that billions of tickets have been sold globally for these movies. The "Cinematic Experience" FactorA major reason for the widespread viewing and high grosses is the way the films were marketed and consumed:Technological Marvel: The first Avatar was groundbreaking for its use of 3D and visual effects. People flocked to the theater, often repeatedly, because it was seen as a must-see spectacle best viewed on a premium screen (IMAX, 3D), which typically meant higher ticket prices.The Big Screen Event: The films are often described as being more of a "ride" or an "immersive experience" than a deep, character-driven story. This is a huge draw for the general audience.
>>216482542 The Cultural Footprint DisparityYour feeling that people "hardly ever talk about them" is shared by many critics and commentators, and it points to a fascinating phenomenon:Low Fandom/Quotability: Unlike franchises like Star Wars, the MCU, or Harry Potter, Avatar doesn't seem to have generated the same level of widespread fan culture—you don't see as much cosplay, fan fiction, or quotable lines entering everyday language.Simplicity and Universality: Some argue that the story is simple (often compared to films like Dances with Wolves or Pocahontas), which makes it universally accessible and successful across different international markets. However, this simplicity may also lead to less debate and theorizing between films.The "Silent Majority": One theory is that the films' audience is the "silent majority" of moviegoers—people who enjoy the experience but don't engage in online fandom or deep analysis, preferring to simply be entertained by the visuals.So, while the movies have been seen by an astonishing number of people and made a historic amount of money, their popularity is rooted more in their visual spectacle and event-status viewing than in generating the kind of enduring, quote-heavy, dedicated fandom that other franchises rely on.
I actually can't wait for him to finish all these, you know? I hope he really does it. You hear people doing Lord of the Rings or Star Wars trilogy marathons and they watch all those movies in one day. That's a good 9 hours of film to get through. Jim is going to go for another 6 hours added on to that and with the extended edition releases, its going to be even longer. That's going to be something of a trip to behold, no matter how long it takes.
>>216482145The frist one. It was a waste of my time. Didn't come back for the other
>>216482508It's pretty obvious you live in a bubble of uncs because ain't nobody born this millennium heard of Humphrey Bogart
I watch them monthly. I go to Disney just for Avatar land multiple times a year. I have ridden flight of passage over 300 times. I have masturbated to James Cameron at least once.
>>216482893You know, for a guy that has spent probably the better part of 20 years trying to get Sigourney Weaver nude on film one way or the other, he probably deserves you getting on your knees and licking his balls while you're at it.
>>216482643Then you don't like movies and don'' watch themyou are just a fomo
>>216482145people have seen them since they keep making shitloads of money, its just there really isn't much to talk about them since they are so by the books they are in a spot they aren't good enough of bad enough to really remember, the only notable aspect of them is the fact they use impressive tech at the time but thats something that will fade as tech continues to improve, and the fact they made a shitload of money followed by nobody really talking about them beyond they made a shitload of money and then got forgotten
>>216483044Sigourney has been nude in multiple films and I’ve probably jerked off to every scene
>>216482145>Cant wait for the James Cameron climate change propaganda movie, with zero memorable scenes and dialoguesI skipped the first two movies, too.
>>216483412They've never mentioned climate change in these movies though, first movie was about deforestation and second one was about whaling
>>216484522>He didnt even watch these movies Lmao.This whole franchise is just climate change propaganda.
>>216484539Why would you lie about something like this?
>>216483361Tech has effectively stagnated or devolved for how rushed and cheap it's become, so Avatar is still selling as a tech spectacle.#3 will probably do the worst of the three since it doesn't have the years of delays that #2 had, even though the premise is better (evil smurfcats and return of the big orange bird vs boring whales and a blue broccoli hair zoomer).
>>216484587The trailers show way more whales than big orange bird that can't look up
>>216484578Prove its a lie.
>>216482145We watch it for Kiri
>>216484606It's bound to have less whales than the second one so it's an improvement.I don't know how that old faggot thought 200 IQ hippie humpback whales were the way to take his exotic alien planet. Senile and creatively bankrupt.
>>216484625Show me a single scene mentioning the climate.You won't be able to do so, since the movies never do this.
>>216484675>It's bound to have less whales than the second one so it's an improvement.But again, the trailers show MORE whales, not less.
>>216484702based Jim is definitely whalemaxxing. Palykan is supposed to be a major character after all
>>216484690It's literally an enviornmentalist parable movie.
>>216484808Will the Tulkun abandon their gay pacifism and accept him back or will they still be suicidally "ethical"?
>>216484814So you've given up on your initial position about climate change? I accept your concession.
>>216484690NTAI think I could, but only because they mention things like the atmosphere being deadly, and I think the weird day/night pattern. I bet there's a mention of climate somewhere in there.But no - other anon is stupid and they dont mention climate CHANGE anywhere. At the very best there may be some mention of how Earth's climate got fucked in the first one's extended scenes.
>>216485076>they mention things like the atmosphere being deadlyThis isn't climate change, it's a different planet. Different planets have different atmospheric conditions.> the weird day/night pattern.Caused by eclipses. Eclipses are not climate change, they're a result of objects in orbit blocking out sunlight.There's just nothing about the climate in these movies. As far as the Earth goes, we see only highly populated urban areas and hear about an animal species going extinct in captivity.
>>216485138You are aware that "climate" and "climate change" are different right?When you say>There's just nothing about the climate in these movies.And then refute with >This isn't climate changeESPECIALLY when I am agreeing with you, it makes me think you are a retard.do you understand that I agree with you that the movie is not about, and does not mention climate change?Do you see how me responding to "it doesnt mention CLIMATE" is different than that?
>>216485191The movies don't talk about climate, period. The movies don't talk about climate change, they don't talk about climate, period. Shut up already.
>>216482181>I'm convinced its not the movie; its the techCameron is wasting is golden years on this crap rather than something more culturally relevant to where people are actually interested in talking about what happens in the movie. I'm convinced what's keeping him going is his love for the process and breaking new ground in the tech. But quite honestly at this point nobody cares. Somebody needs to tap him on the shoulder and tell him nobody cares and to get back to making something decent and worth talking about.
>>216482145>I hardly ever hear anyone ever talk about them even when the first one was new. Does anybody actually care?The talks I heard about Avatar in all these years from the 1st movie work like that:Have you seen Avatar1/2/going for the 3rd?yes -> well I expected more but everyone went watching it so I did the same/I'm going for it because everyone said would go toono -> I mean noNothing else, really. Nobody is taking seriously the AvatarS because of poor story and characters; Jim can continue making strong efforts on the technical side to please himself but this is irrelevant for the audience.
>>216485265>nobody caresAvatar being the highest and Avatar 2 being the second highest grossing film of all time kind of goes against that idea
I can see them bringing back Kiri's mom using her stored memories like they did with the bad guys
>>216485304I don't know anyone IRL who saw Avatar 2 in the theater.
>>216485255So a retard. Got it.
>>216482386>I don't see any references to it in pop media at all.Why would you? When a movie connects with its target audience the creator doesn't need to pay other properties to reference it to keep it relevant. Fans will enjoy it so much they'll just go and see any new entries when they come out. Hollywood social media engagement metrics like "buzz" and dumb forced meme campaigns only exist to prop up substandard movies that can't stand on their own merit. If the movie sells on its own it doesn't matter how much "buzz" or forced focus grouped memes or celebrity endorsements it does or doesn't have.
>>216482386Simpsons referenced Avatar in a couch gag and a Halloween episode.
>>216485352Nope, they don't mention climate.
>>216485319These mystery people went to the theater but it doesn't mean they care. Because if they did they would talk about it but nobody does. Modern Avatar moviegoers are like dark matter. Like everyone says it definitely exists and there's a ton of it but nobody has seen it.
>>216482145I'd watch them in theaters but then I remember people are allowed to eat in those.
>>216485395OK, that's *something.*>>216485358Because it doesn't seem to have connected that well at all. Like all the Star Wars stuff in the 80s and 90s, you think Lucasfilm was paying Warner Bros to do that when there weren't plans for any more movies?
>>216485418It's surreal to have the same exact conversations I had in 2022 lol
>>216485358>Why would you? When a movie connects with its target audience the creator doesn't need to pay other properties to reference it to keep it relevant. Fans will enjoy it so much they'll just go and see any new entries when they come out. Hollywood social media engagement metrics like "buzz" and dumb forced meme campaigns only exist to prop up substandard movies that can't stand on their own merit. If the movie sells on its own it doesn't matter how much "buzz" or forced focus grouped memes or celebrity endorsements it does or doesn't have.3D in theaters is dead bro. If Avatar was truly relevant you would be plenty of 3D movies like it; it didn't connect with an audience, because its first task was bringing that kind of technology to people and people said no thanks. People TRIED the new technology, enjoyed it just out of curiosity which is different from enjoy AND make it the normality asking for more and more of it.Second, well Avatar was always cheap on the narrative side and people know this better now after the second movie. So Avatar needs buzz to survive.Why else having a daily countdown on 4chan (where at least someone tries to talk about Avatar) or news on the outlets?
>>216482382>3 films + NO ONE TALKS ABOUT THEM! = Fatigue?The EFAP crew of all people who hated James Cameron since 2009 are the quality checkers on this?>Humans are unreasonably evil... >Why didn't they use the backburners to glass the exact place where Jake is? Why didn't Quaritch slit that girls throat? Why aren't they FINAL SOLUTIONING the natives?>It's failure because James Cameron is not making MY movie that I assumed he would've made in the 90s! >Wants nothing but the T2 opening role reversal, robots mass murdering natives for 3 hours.
>>216485452>Because it doesn't seem to have connected that well at all.Yeah to nerds I guess. The primary demo for Avatar is very different from the capeshit/starwars demo. They don't see movies very often and don't really spend much time online arguing about them. If your metrics for judging engagement with a franchise is how many gay internet fights you see on your social media platform of choice I'm not surprised you are baffled by Avatar's success.You ever been to a convention hosted near where you live? You ever walk in and see all the weirdos and think to yourself "where the fuck do these people come from" then overhear later in conversation that they live within blocks of your place? There are way more people out there than you think, and some of them are into stuff you don't even think about.
>>216482145I watched the 1st 2 in theaters, just because there was nothing else worth watching. haven't really thought about them since then. I feel like if these movies came out 5-10 years earlier, they probably would have left more of an impact, just from constantly replaying on cable TV.
>>216485657What a coincidence, there's nothing else worth watching now either
>>216482382>Avatar fatigue is at an all-time highRemember when people were saying capeshit fatigue was at an all time high back when the phase 3 timeline dropped around when Age of Ultron came out and everyone was certain there's no way the capeshit genre would survive through 2018? The ride never ends.
>>216485628So who are the people who saw Avatar then? Did you see it in the theatre, do you know anyonoe who did?>>216485657They are constantly rerun on cable TV, actually.
>>216485657I saw the first one in theater then watched the second one on home video and thank god skipped the theater because I think I would have died sitting through that. Like ok we get it IT'S CGI WATER...WOW. ....shit got old after the first 15 minutes.
>>216485628>dark matterqed
>>216485769But... there wasn't any of that water in the first 15 minutes, they were still in the forest at that point
>>216482181>movies will still exist in 20 years
>>216485764>Did you see it in the theatre, do you know anyonoe who did?Yeah I saw both in theaters. I saw the first one once with my family then another two times with two separate friend groups. I saw the second one once with a group of about 20 between my friends and our gfs/wives.>So who are the people who saw Avatar then? Judging from the people I saw in the lobby and in the theater itself it was well dressed middle to uppermiddle class normalfags of all ages.
Saw the first one when it came out, one of the blandest and overly long blockbusters I've ever seen, and an added bonus the 3d was giving me a massive headache by the end. Zero interest in watching the sequels.
I've heard the humans don't win, so fuck that. I couldn't watch it anyway, without screaming at the screen all the time ("You have antimatter-powered ships! WHY HAVEN'T YOU GLASSED THE PLANET ALREADY?!?!?!?).
>>216485795It was so forgettable I already forgot small details like that. And I'm someone who really pays attention when watching movies. All I know is when watching Avatar 2 is CGI FISH...CGI WATER...CGI WHALES....WATER WATER WATER......fucking snoozeville. It would have been fucking torture if I had to sit through three hours of that shit in the theater. Fucking torture.
>>216485959You only watched the trailer.
>>216485764>They are constantly rerun on cable TV, actually.Yeah, but the problem is no one fucking watches cable TV anymore. these movies kinda missed the window when that was a reliable slop delivery system
>>216482145tech demo tier franchise
>>216486473They can't all be demos.
>>216486473Good description.
>>216485616>It's failure because James Cameron is not making MY moviewelcome to 99% of youtube "critique"
>>216486538What creates this attitude? This sense of entitlement?
>>216486473tech demos don't have to be forgettable garbage. At least half of Pixar's films are actual legit tech demo movies, but they are still widely considered as masterpieces
>>216486607>half of Pixar's movies are considered masterpiecesReally? I stopped watching them because Cars sucked
>>216486576most youtube "critics" know nothing about film and filmmaking and only drone on with meaningless nitpicks without managing to actually analyze the movies
>>216482145Yes.I watch them in IMAX to honor Avatar 2 countdown Anon, a god among posters.
>>216482145I saw the first one on release as a kid, thought it was pretty shit. My friend at the time said it was his favourite ever film and I remember thinking he was uncultured, even as an infant. I was forced to sit through the second one which was somehow even worse.
>>216486538>It's not failure because it's bad but it made money
>>216487152The first one had the benefit of looking pretty impressive for the time. It as also shilled to high heavens. I'm not surprised it was popular as fuck. But I didn't particularly like it either. I hate this noble (fake) savage shit.I can understand that it made gorillions. But then you have the second movie. I'm genuinely surprised that it made billions too.
>>216487201>it's bad because it's not a different movie that appeals to my specific tastes that differ from those of normal people due to my arrested development and bitternessFTFY
Okay but what is the point of Fire and Ash? Chris Gore said the movie ends in the same exact situation it began with, meaning there's absolutely NO CHANGE to the overall "story" of Avatar. This means all that shit about Spider learning to breathe on Pandora will go away, none of the characters will die, the navi who join the humans will turn against the humans.Who would want to watch a film where everything is undone at the end?
>>216482145> Does anybody actually care?Yes
>>216484827>let themselves be hunted without fighting back because no killing evar>still feed themselves to live by killing millions of tiny fish
>>216488483Pacifists are always inconsistent and illogical and I look forward to Payakan and Lo'ak teaching the tulkun the ways of justifiable violence in defence of life
>>216487947all these movies are terrible kek
>>216488582There's no metric by which you can claim Titanic to be terrible
>>216488560>high T tulkun BVLL saves pandora by maleshaming the cucked boomerwhales into fighting with himholy BASED
>>216482145I have watched it, but never rewatched it.
>>216482145I saw the first one fucking ages ago.Don't give a flying fuck about the others.
>>216482145Fuck you, I like them, I will see Fire and Ash multiple times in the theater and so will millions of others. Simple as
>>216488729You know the ending before you go in.It's too long.It's misandryst even if that had been normalized for centuries and all of his movies are the same about it.DiCaprio is a little faggot even by actor standards which have since declined to his level.It's racist.Doesn't touch on who sunk the Titanic and why. It's propaganda to cement a fake version of history.
>>216489316>You know the ending before you go in.Not an argument. Films are not about twist endings, M. Night.>It's too longHardly.>misandrystYou can't even spell misandrist properly, how do you expect to be taken seriously over your schizophrenic ramblings? >DiCaprio is a little faggotNot an argument.>It's racistNot an argument but based if true (it isn't)>Doesn't touch on who sunk the Titanic and why(((Iceberg))) did it
>>216488582NTA but I like Infinity War
