>but from the viewpoint of the evil stepsisters who aren't actually evil, but just misunderstoodWhy do they keep doing this?
>>216489434>ali chong>stephanie sucky suckyno thanks
>>216489434multiple reasonsidiots who thing le subversion mean deep (even though this plot has been going on for decades)deliberate pushing of the agenda where actual "bad people" shouldn't be looked down upon while arbiters of law and order should be treated with disdain how many white male villains are "actually the good guy" in any of these?
>>216489434>Chink bitter over white women cast herself
>>216489434After the "Better Man" farrago, are Americans going to pretend they've never heard of Steps either?
>>216489434Building up to rehabilitate Nazis.
are they gonna be barefoot
>>216489434"Being a Fucking Cunt is Good, Actually", starring two Asian bitches
>>216489434didn't Disney already do this?
>>216489434>ali wongInstant no. She's the female equivalent of Jared leto.
>>216489466corr
>starring two asians to play white girls What in the fuck. I don't even understand the point of that recast.
>>216489434They need to pretend everything is shades of gray in order to make people believe there's no Good.
>>216489702Nah, it's to make people ease up on the lumpenproles because they are the chosen revolutionary agent
because its a 2000 year old story and if we need to keep remaking it eventually every possible permutation of ideas for new twists is going to be attempted
>>216489434People liked it when Disney did it with Cinderella 3.
>>216489434>”Bad Guy is Actually Misunderstood Good Guy” slop that’s basically subversive fanficWhat actually started that shit? Was it the Wicked stage show?
>>216489926Paradise Lost
>>216489926>character goes from they are evil just because to here is their backstory>this causes anons who are not the demographic to scream and seethe
>>216489434They did this in Cinderella 3 and it's actually really fucking funny
Shrek 2 already did "Fairy Godmother is evil" and everyone loved it why is this one causing a meltdown?
>>216489434Le typical self insert FanFiction slop
>>216489434>the wicked witch of the west >the evil stepsisters >cruella d’evilThey really get a kick out of this, huh? Also, is it Cinderella set in Asia?
>>216489466>10/10 in Bongland
>>216489940How about you write your own shit instead of deconstructing someone else’s if you’re such a hot shit writer?Also, yeah, villains exist for the audience to root against, a personified conflict for the protagonist to overcome, and this shit is so common nowadays that it teeters into hackery.
>>216490080name 1 (one) original story
>>216490016Kek the new medieval europe anon, full of asians, blacks and queers just like new york.
>>216489934How?
>>216490016Don't forget the evil dragon from sleeping beauty.
>>216489940retard
>>216490091Was that supposed to be some kind of a gotcha mic drop? You and I both know what I meant by that. I’m not saying “come up with a story that has literally never been done before in the history of the species,” I mean “Use some of that creative energy to come up with your own characters/setting/conflicts/etc) instead of just copy/pasting a story that someone else did all the heavy lifting of creating, and just say ‘what if bad guy was good guy?” That’s an interesting concept like once or twice, but it’s been done to fucking death, and now it just feels like tired bandwagoning because Hollywood is creatively bankrupt because they MeToo’d the real talent out of the industry.
>>216489466me on the left
>>216489434Irony poisoning and social media further insulating women from accountability Being genuine is seeing as "lame" by costal elite parasites they think they're still the resistance. Deconstructing and being a post modernist faggot is seen as rebelling stillPoint b is even easier to explain. Women are currently incapable of holding themselves accountable and have non stop cognitive dissonance. In the context of Cinderella they can't empathise with her because she's a genuine good person trying her best. Most modern women are mean spirited duplicitous cunts, they all know that but desperately cope that's its someone else's fault
>>216490128Literally "what if Satan were le misunderstood gentlebacon"
>>216489434Animated movies aren't films. There's no filming involved, they're just files.
>>216489926That damn millennial meme that said God Tier Villain = ”Bad Guy is Actually Misunderstood Good Guy”
>>216490091Journey to the West
>>216489434Because they've hit the cap on traditional reboots
>>216490260>There's no filming involvedbro.. mocap is a thing. you have to film the actors in suits with dots all over them in order to capture the motion.
>>216490260Don't tell this guy about digital cameras
When I was a kid I watched a Doctor Who story called Pyramids of Mars (1970s, when the show was good). The bad guy was an evil god who said a line which stuck with me: "Your evil is my good."I used to think it was an interesting but unrealistic idea. Nobody could think that evil is good. But now it's 2025 and it really looks like screen writers are so fucked up that everything has to be an inversion,a perversion or a "deconstruction" of an age-old mortality tale. The wicked witch is good actually, and cruel men abused her. The ugly stepsisters are actually beautiful and empowered and fighting against patriarchal stereotypes. And the prince is always a monster.Good is portrayed as evil without fail. I only hope it's cynical writing and that they don't actually believe this in their everyday lives.
>>216490273the pats tattoo just annihilates me every single time
>>216490492Hey, at least the Prince is getting a personality. How many of these can you actually name?
As long as she looks like this
>>216489434already been done and it made you feel sympathetic towards the evil stepsister
>>216490684he doesn't look ugly in that poster tho
>>216490734that's after the surgery
>>216489710
>>216489594People are so fucking retarded they think it’s clever to point out that people have differing perspectives in a conflict and most of the time it’s not entirely irrational
>>216489926Shrek (2001)
>>216489434Ever After actually showed one of the step sisters not being that evil and kind of redeeming herself
>>216490649They will make the white male prince the villain, anon he used his patriarchy oppression to take their enslaved sister by force, of course the slavery part was a goofy just kidding, and they are all virtuous and good, and one of them will be lesbian too.
>>216489926Greek Mythology. The heroes and villains of tales tends to shift depending on who told the story. Sometimes the gods were pricks, sometimes man was arrogant and needed humbling.You could argue that Medusa was one of the first villains to get the tragic heroine treatment. Her being punished unfairly for being raped was a revisionist take on her.Also in Ancient Greek, rape could mean what it meant today, but more often it meant "two lovers ran away to shack up together and fuck like rabbits". That's lead to a lot of feminist re-interpretation.
>>216489434>chinese stepsisterskek
>>216489926Paradife Loft
>>216490128you serious? the whole poem is an apology for Lucifer
>>216490676why do these movements always look cringe
>>216490649Adam, Eric, Phillip and Stefan.
>>216491017No real human moves like that.
>>2164910173D animation needs that kind of jerky "snap to" movement otherwise it looks weird and floaty and out of place next to hand animated things.Fleisher's Gullivers travels is what happens when you use normal movement next to hand animated stuff.
>>216489434>"actually the villains were the good guys" with race swapsno fucking way this is realhttps://www.netflix.com/tudum/articles/steps-cast-release-dateit's fucking real
>>216490969>>216490256Nobody except old-age Romantic dipshits believe this.>Satan can literally be forgiven at any time but he just refuses to apologize. >Satan didn't want to free the universe, he just hated humanity and wished he was God instead. He cries about tyranny, but in Hell, he is a tyrant who pretends they have a republic.>Lies to Eve to convince her to eat the Fruit from the Tree of Knowledge.>Relishes in just destroying the plans of God ignorant of the vision Adam and Eve both see that in the end the Fall of Man will have all been worth it for a greater glory>Twists himself into a demonic mockery of his former beauty while God laughs at his stupidityYeah, he's totally the sympathetic good guy. People who think Paradise Lost makes Satan look like any more of a whining baby than usual are the same retards who think "Frankenstein was the REAL MONSTER!" despite the fact that the Creature is an incel who kills children and innocents because he's ugly.
>>216490256>>216490969>literally illiterate Lol.
>>216491017because it's cute and feminine and you're a homosexual
>>216490492I think putting people who steal and are violent off the street is good but then they pass a law saying stealing less than a grand and requiring bail is evil
>>216489434anyway, the reason they do this is because creating confusion about right and wrong, true and false, good and evil is a key component of their ideological activism. it's part of what is known as "demoralization". it's basically large-scale gaslighting.
>>216489434>cgislop>animated
>from directors Alyce Tzue (Student Academy Awards gold medal winner) and John Ripa (co-director of Raya and the Last Dragon)Oh god, it's from a complete amateur and someone who was about 4 directors down from the lead for the worst film Disney Animation have put out in recent years. Interestingly, this seems to be the first animation actually animated in house by Netflix and not farmed out or licenced from another studio. >found the instagram of an animator who worked on it>they're also working on a French animated film with a little girl that /co/ will no doubt obsess over for a week at release>they've done this character design for an unknown project
>>216490273I love how the elder god guy has that Penguins of Madagascar stare
>>216489695I took my neice to one of their concerts when my sister fell down the stairs the week before and broke her collarbone. I'm not ashamed to admit they put on one hell of a show.
>>216489695Not a single person noticed my post full of steps puns in an older thread. What a Tragedy.The band with Ian Watkins in that you're allowed to like.
>>216489940>character isn't just evil. This other guy was mean to them and made them that way.>Why did the other guy do that?>Oh, he's just evildon't pretend it's not about pandering to people who like to shift the blame to someone else for their asshole behavior
>>216489974maybe because Shrek 2 already did itand Wickedand Malicifentand Cruella.and,and, AND...It's way past subversion anymore, get a new fucking plot ya shill.
>>216489434>we want the white woman audience
>>216490649people only care when the female character isn't a fully fleshed out girl boss role model of quirky traits
>>216489594>how many white male villains are "actually the good guy" in any of these?I don't know, maybe the Darth Vader guy who murdered children?>>216490758You're upset because the character is female.
>>216491651>pandering to people who like to shift the blame to someone else for their asshole behaviorBut /tv/ isn't the target audience.
>>216489434Now that Toriyama is dead I’m going to make a fanfic about how Frieza is a misunderstood tragic figure and those monkeys had it coming. And then I’m going to sell the rights of that fanfic to Disney or Netflix and make millions.
>>216491823Happened with Vegeta.
>>216491752I'm pretty sure he was supposed to be seen as a villain when he was doing the murdering children part stupid
>>216491831Toriyama himself oversaw Vegeta becoming a girldad cuck because he thought it was funny.
>>216490887Also rape was always synonym with bestiality, even if it was a god in disguise and a willing women, just for that alone it was rape, they didn't had a term for bestiality
>>216489434because evil people make these things so they identify with the evil characters.
>>216489434Won't be as kino as The Ugly Stepsister
>>216489974Pratchett did the evil fairy godmother far better in Witches Abroad
>>216490080>why don't you write your own shit?>did you wrote Cinderella?>no, but...
Satan worshippers want you to sympathise with evil and depict the message that the devil was merely misunderstood.
>>216489434Without doing any research, the guy who wrote the book Wicked was based off also wrote a book from the perspective of one of Cinderella's evil stepsisters. Given Wicked's success, it wouldn't be at all surprising that a studio would look to his other stories for ideas for films.
>>216489434>le cocky teen girlboss smirkHey modern animators, young women actually have more than one facial expression y’know.
>>216489926>No! You can't attempt to humanise cartoonish caricatures of evil-doers!Why are you like this?
>>216489974Contrarians think it's smart to point out that it's "subversive" (eggghhh women!) and "there are multiple movies like this already"
>>216490080IPs sell better. This isn't complicated. If you want stories that aren't connected to known-IPs, then you have to support original stories. But I'm betting you haven't paid money to see a single original film in years
>>216492131so I guess you just ignored the whole thread where people explained the issue.fucking shills
>>216490758If it's no big deal then it's ok to make more movies like this, anon.
>>216491017Because it looks performative and exaggerated, while dipping into the uncanny valley. It doesn't represent real emotion or body language, so it comes across as insincere.>>216491100No, it really doesn't. That type of animation has been pushed so far that it looks like total shit, especially in 3D animation where they try to mix it with more realistic, but still exaggerated expressions and shit like eye movement, which creates that awful uncanny effect. Only autists and children like it, because they need the incredibly exaggerated emoting to understand what's being expressed.
>>216492150nobody HAS to support anything. how about we just watch none of it.
>>216492162>it's le subversive!>why?>women
>>216492081thisIt went from "evil does not exists", through "good and evil need to be in balance" to "evil is actually misunderstood".
>>216492081Back to the 90's please.
>>216490080Death of the author. People can do whatever interpretation they want of Cinderella.
>>216491017She is a real life disney princess
>>216492268huh?
>>216492259Really makes you want to kick her in the face.
>>216490492Bottom line this shit is Jewish demoralization and subversion, 200%. It's not about "showing a new perspective" it is exclusively used to shit on the concept of Moral Good and make everything grey or Black, as others have said.It's not a coincidence that, when times were more morally sound and pure, the media reflected that, and now that things have gone to shit, media is showing as that "good is bad" and "bad is good"
>le jews did nothing wrong and are just le misunderstoodso tiresome
>>216492325Sorry I meant *kiss*
>>216489434The funniest part is they already did that 20 years ago by making the red head stepsister become kind and fall in love
>>216492268Or a traditional home maker. Then they are SICK and TWISTED
>>216492259why Jewsney didnt cast her as Mulan
>>216490757
>>216489434>Hollywood using more asiansbros...
>>216492407They want masculine unattractive bitch who fights le evil men, has no sexual tension with the obviously fag or beta male interest and has more sexual tension with yet another middle aged lesbian who is le victim of a man and not really evilThat's all disney does now. If she was hired, they would "Rose Tico" the fuck out of her.
>>216492503>They want masculine unattractive bitch who fights le evil men, has no sexual tension with the obviously fag or beta male interest and has more sexual tension with yet another middle aged lesbian who is le victim of a man and not really evilthen why are they making a Lilo and Stitch live action movie
>all the female villains are actually just misunderstood and also they're only evil because of MEN anywayWhy does Disney do this? They even made Scar worse by giving him a pointless backstory about how he's evil because he's an incel.
>>216489434This is for thirty year old single white women and no one else.
things only started happening once YOU started noticing them, /pol/.
>>216492036>did you wrotesaar...
>>216492607is she riding a magical Watermelon car?
>>216489466never thought a drawing from the fucking 1700's would get me hard, but shit, my pissing fetish is too strong
>Dungeons & Dragons offers all this advice about putting clever twists on familiar tropesyou know what, fine. maybe the princess has the dragon locked up for a change, how clever. but then THAT becomes the new normal.played Skyrim for the first time recently, some NPCs yelled "help, we've been robbed by bandits, we swear!" gee, i wonder if it's a trap. (except you can't do anything but play along with the game scripting or not. you WILL be subverted!)either write Morrowind or just write earnest, non-postmodern stories.
>>216489434Women identify more with the evil bitch who tries to destroy the perfect princess hero.
>>216492536Anon, not only was it already made. What I described LITTERALLY happened in the movie. Women fucking LOATHED it. Just fucking hated it. From the basic bitch disney cultist women who are completely out of touch with reality to (admitiedly cute)nose ring wearing pan alt girls.It was a fucking shit show and it basically murderd the marketability of an IP that printed money.
>>216489466>B-t youWhat word is censored?
>>216492168You’re so fucking retarded you missed the point entirely. The writers are acting like they’re fucking clever when it’s something anyone over the age of 7 should be aware of. That doesn’t eliminate or invalidate the concept of universal truths. You’re actually validating these hacks by being so retarded
>>216492869Anon, they aren't doing it by accident.They are genuinely evil people. That's all.
>>216492130It's either that or 'adorkable' nervous smiles
>>216492186How about people who like films watch films while people who spend all day bitching about films continue to bitch?
The point of cinderella is that ugly people are evil
>>216493373>spend all day bitchingyou mean like you? How come you're not off watching all those great films, you bullshitter?
>>216489905Did they? Wasn't that a DTV? And didn't it focus on only one of Cinderella's stepsisters?
>>216492568the men are evil incarnatethe women are all misunderstoodgee can't imagine what they're trying to do.
>>216493452Everyone assumed it would be total shit and didn't watch it. People are recently discovering it and finding out that it's an insane film that's actually really enjoyable.Not quite having a Goofy Movie re-evaluation but people keep watching it on a whim and being really surprised.
>No you don't understand, those billionaires killing children and raping them are just misunderstood! Evil isn't real!
i miss when the baddie could just be a baddie because they're a jerk and not because some kike wants to program goyim children into putting up with abuse
>>216492259Insanely cute
>>216492259thigh kino
>>216492924I mean evil or not, it makes them look stupid and unclever. I am not intimidated by such enemies
>>216491110sure, then old-age Romantics opining on Paradise Lost started it. you know what he fucking means
>>216491752You have the media literacy of a toddler.
>>216489434Because women are evil and need an excuse to keep being so
>>216490969You haven't read it.
>>216492865My guess is "blast"
>>216489466>cat mfw
>>216492574Thirty year old single white women are reading breeding farm, and guilty watching hallmark channel, romancing the stone, and old buffy reruns.
>>216492130Welcome to le dreamworks eyebrow. First day on the internet?
>>216489926These movies are made for women and women can't be evil villains
>>216495711Yeah actually, seems like a pretty cool place. Love from Uttar Pradesh.
>>216489434They treated Cinderella like a house slave. How to hell do you spin that?
>>216497474Some people deserve being enslaved and doing so is a kindness.
