Why was Tuvok only a Lieutenant Commander after like 80 years in Starfleet? Was he stupid or something?
Smartest guy isn't always the best leader. And maybe he didn't care about improving the skills needed for command.
Might have something to do with his skin color
We don't talk about stuff like that in the future, OP.
>>216491171he quit starfleet for a while after working under sulu. i don't blame him.
>>216491634Just started watching Voyager but so far all the characters I thought Id hate I wound up hating none except for Janeway.
>>216491171He's out performing Harry Kim
>>216491799Janeway is the worst because shes a double standard hypocrite.Prime directive states we dont give technology to non elevated society - a season later and their giving away Starfleet technology for fucking apples, then a season afterwards just handing hollowdeck specs to those knock off predator murderers. The previous season they made a big deal on why you dont do this.She states her main objective is getting her crew home. Heres 60+ episodes of her directly putting everyone in danger because she claims it would be boring if they didnt risk their lives doing retarded shit like exploring a rape goo planet that steals their bodies or let's get involved with a race of aliens that hunt each other for sport.She then refuses to do a deal with Q that would bring everyone home in an instant. Not just once but 3 times. This later leads to several people dying that wouldn't have if she had just said no. She put her pride before everyone else
>>216491967Trek requires a huge suspension of disbelief when it comes to characters being rational and intelligent. I accept that and the shows are enjoyable, but I just find her voice and mannerisms really irritating. Janeway is like an overdone "I am an ACK-TOR!" with an Alvin and the Chipmunks type of voice.
>>216491967Give her a break. She got turned into a salamander and impregnated and had to abandon her freak babies to die on some remote planet.
>>216491171Lacking emotions proved to be a handicap for Vulcans commanding a mixed race crew. This was covered in the Gallieo 7 episode of TOS.
>>216491171he was undercover in that criminal gang for like 10 years which stalled his career
>>216492188Some of the voyager episodes just feel like the writers trolling the viewers.Tuvok getting space aids in the last 3 episodes, the doctor having a shit family and just putting up with it.Yet these episodes will be seen as gold compared to this LGBTQ fleet academy shit there now pushing out.It seems the rumours of Robert being bullied down and his ideas ignored were true
>>216492253>Lacking emotions
>>216492279he also spent some time with the klingons
>>216492587So this is the upscale I've heard about
>>216492587And the Spaceballs
>>216492253the crew of the Gallieo 7 deserved to get fed to space yetis. insubordinate hysterical dipshits the lot of them.
>>216492353It's hyperbole you child
remember when kiras mom was a whore and dukat was a pretty decent guy?
>>216492786i like how spock announces they need to drop the weight of 2 men and then orders the redshirts to stand guard alone and away from the group
>>216491171They explain it in a flashback iirc
>>216492978The character assassination of Dukat was hilarious.
Longevity is probably considered when they rank up.
>>216491171>Was he stupid or something?well he ain't found shit
>>216491967>then a season afterwards just handing hollowdeck specs to those knock off predator murderers.At gun point. After they kicked the absolute shit out of Voyager and its crew. So fuck off.
>>216491171He was only a lieutenant when Voyager started. Janeway promoted him just to fuck with Kim.
>>216494348Exactly. If you rank them up too early, they'll spend 80 years as an Admiral. You don't want old people in positions of power for that long.
>>216491171This was technically his 2nd starfleet career, the first one he quit. https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Tuvok
>>216491967Prime directive mostly applies to pre-warp civilizations. Otherwise, every trade, interaction, rendering of aid, etc, would count as a violation. Couldn't even fight back against any attackers, because that would count as interfering with their development or enforcing starfleet's personal belief that being blown up and dead is bad.
>>216491171Because his passion was being a security officer. Can't be a security officer and captain at the same time.
>>216492313>the doctor having a shit family and just putting up with it.That episode was such bullshit, because it amounted to Belana adding a trauma story to his little holodeck game and they passed it off as>WELL IN REALITY SOMETIMES YOUR KID JUST DIES OF A MINOR INJURY>YOU GOTTA LEARN TO DEAL WITH THAT LIKE THE REST OF US WHO DIDN'T HAVE MINOR PROBLEMS TURN INTO PERMANENT LIFE-ALTERING PSYCHOLOGICAL SCARSI would lock that bitch in the holodeck and run the most traumatic, laser targetted evil shit to mentally destroy that bitch for life after that.
>>216496651Anon he was wearing her klingonhumanity as a costume, it was cultural appropriation
>>216496651>WELL IN REALITY SOMETIMES YOUR KID JUST DIES OF A MINOR INJURYThat's actually scary, all the time. They weren't a real family anyway. He wasn't even treating it like a real family. It was more like how people now treat AI chatbots. His was the only hologram program, other than Moriarty (and i guess andy dick v2), that was advanced enough to be considered life.
>>216491799Funny, for how badly a 'muh female Captain' could have gone I thought everything went better than expected at the time. Not Mulgrew's fault the way she was written to be inconsistent, etc.There was no shortage of other characters to hate.
>>216493175You misspelled heinous.
>>216492734fuckin nightmare
As enjoyable as VOY is, I will always be mad that the writers/execs/whoever lacked the balls to follow through on the concept and make Battletrek: Voyager.Year of Hell is so fucking kino.
>>216497202>His was the only hologram program, other than Moriarty (and i guess andy dick v2), that was advanced enough to be considered life.you forgot vic fontaine
>>216491171You know THOSE people and their attitude
>>216491171he wasn't really a vulcan, he was just a janny on the ship that glued some ears on and waddled around talking like a robot and making V for vendetta signs with his hands.the captain gave him an "honorary title" as long as kept kept the toilets clean.
>>216491799I hate them all apart from 7 and they ruined her by putting her with a fat grey beaner
>>216492113> her voice and mannerisms really irritating. Janeway is like an overdone "I am an ACK-TOR!" with an Alvin and the Chipmunks type of voiceworst combination of everything.her stupid face, stupid hair she's obsessed with, vile croaky voice, everything is wrong.should have ejected her from the airlock and let 7 make it a borg ship 100% female
Tuvok knows what he’s good at. He’s not someone they’d have managing a Starship’s personnel. He’d be able to do it; but he’s not human. It’s just a TV show, and Janeway gets the plot moving.
>>216497640>Year of Hell is so fucking kino.Done much better in Ent Season 3.
>>216497202They live in a time where nearly everything just shy of total brain death can be cured and treated. Belana created a bullshit situation just to abuse the EMH because she didn't like that his pretend family wasn't realistic enough. So, instead of slightly adjusting the parameters, she made them completely dysfunctional and killed his digital child, which he obviously cared about, just to make the EMH learn a vague lesson that wasn't really clear and really just amounted to a spiteful bitch shitting on a hologram because she didn't think he deserved to be happy about anything.
>>216497712>You know THOSE people and their attitudeTalaxians?
>>216491171He left starfleet for a long time and came back
>>216498770I bet regretted coming back pretty quickly
>>216498807virgin kim vs chad nog
>>216498807Nog gets out there and applies himself. Kim shows up for work and whines that he hasn't been promoted yet.
>>216491680This. Also, he was teaching at the academy instead of zipping around space.
>>216498086>because she didn't think he deserved to be happy about anythingShe's right though that he was living in a fantasy. It's escapism, not a realistic scenario. You shouldn't respect people living a lie.Although I guess you could make the argument that his method of procreation could make a perfect family, since it would just be programmed to be such. But even then computers live in the real world. It would've made more sense for the story to have some radiation wave corrupt the program or something, that way it isn't a malicious co-worker but a true fact of life. Shit happens.>So, instead of slightly adjusting the parameters, she made them completely dysfunctional and killed his digital childI don't think she programmed the kid to die, just made it a possibility. Which it is. She did alter the parameters too far though, agreed. His son turned into a cunt too.
>>216491967>>216492113>>216497954>>216492313>>216496651>>216498086
>>216499180The rest of the crew can engage in a gay pastoral fantasy in the holodeck for weeks, and Janeway can even personally turn one of the characters into her boytoy, but the EMH can't play house?
>>216491799>>I am not crazy! I know she swapped herself with a hologram! I knew it wasn't really Janeway. Just ones and zeroes. As if I could ever make such a mistake. Never. Never! I just - I just couldn't prove it. She - she covered her tracks, she got that idiot Harry to lie for her. You think this is something? You think this is bad? This? This chicanery? She's done worse. Kes! Are you telling me that a woman just happens to fall out of time like that? No! She orchestrated it! Janeway! She murdered Tuvix! And I let her crew live! And I shouldn't have. I took her into my own program! What was I thinking? She'll never change. She'll never change! Ever since she was an ensign, always the same! Couldn't follow the prime directive! But not our Janeway! Couldn't be precious Janeway! And she gets to live!? What a sick joke! I should've stopped her when I had the chance! Drat!
>>216497640>Year of HellIndeed is was. Shame it wasn't a full season.
>>216491799Worst character is Chakotay, but it's not even his fault. He got saddled with the Maquis subplot, the Seska villain plot, and the writers got conned by a jew who pretended to be Native American and a cultural expert who just made up a bunch of stupid new age bullshit for Chakotay to repeat that made the character one of the most racist depicts of a native in TV history.
>>216499216WTF I love the Amazing Digital Circus now!
>>216499209Wasn't his reasoning that he was experimenting with having a family life? To explore his humanity (or simulation of it)? The point was to simulate a real family.It wasn't supposed to be a fantasy land escape. He just didn't know any better.
>>216499348Happy families exist. Belana was just seething because she's a mutt who came from a broken home. Typical femoid behavior.
>>216499421I know, but none are perfect like his. I agree it was altered too far, but he reviewed the changes and stuck it out with them in-tact. So apparently he was okay with the risk.>Typical femoid behaviorbitches and hoes bitches and hoes why don't they like me nobody knows
>>216491171>gets blasted to the other side of the galaxy while undercover>hasn't coomed for seven years>forever stuck as second officer>went blind after a torpedo blew up in his face>mindraped into being a wagie (katra stolen)>gets beaten up and exploded by every alien species>mind melds with literal schizos and goes crazy>gets telepathic aids>maquis sleeper agent>blood vessels exploded>constantly seething internally>his fanfic gets taken over by tom paris>constantly dunked on by the whole crew>loses to icheb in kal toh and seethes so bad he gets vulcan dementia>neelix cums all over his room with a klingon>neelix
>>216498086>Belana created a bullshit situation just to abuse the EMH because she didn't like that his pretend family wasn't realistic enough. So, instead of slightly adjusting the parameters, she made them completely dysfunctional and killed his digital child, which he obviously cared about, just to make the EMH learn a vague lesson that wasn't really clear and really just amounted to a spiteful bitch shitting on a hologram because she didn't think he deserved to be happy about anything.False. He was acting like it was so easy to parent when all he did was create a perfect family in a perfect world while keeping out the realism of human nature and unfortunate events. While he world is what we all want, hers is sadly what we get.>>216499209They don't brag and compare, child.
>>216499479>I agree it was altered too farNot at all. All she did was make them act like a stereotypical family at that age. The only real issue was him having to experience the death of his child, and that wasn't her direct fault.
>>216499568>All she did was make them act like a stereotypical family at that age.I dunno about that. His boy was acting like a little shit 100% of the time. I have kids, I was a kid, I know kids. His kid was atypically fucked up. I only knew one kid growing up that was that much of a cunt and he was literally mentally ill. And he was still decent to his family some of the time.Nah it was taken to an extreme.
>>216499489>gets his body merged with Neelix's in a freak transporter accident
>>216499511>They don't brag and compare, child.Go rewatch the episode. Belana got upset that his family was saccharine after the EMH claimed that having a family was easier to handle than his research had led him to believe. He agrees to let her make the program more realistic, which instantly turns into unconditional strife and drama, including his son suddenly becoming a retarded Klingaboo (really subtle Torres), culminating in his daughter getting lethal brain trauma off screen because it's realistic for little girls to play violentbraintraumaball after school without any safety gear in the distant future.
>>216491171Is the same reason why Elves that live for hundreds of years are getting shown up in various disciplines by random humans who only 30 or so. Long lived fantasy races don't really make sense on any level. It's beyond human imagination.
>>216492770>>>216492587>And the Spaceballshe never found shit for Dark Helmet.
>>216499720>posts a fallacyI also didn't know kids like that, more so because I wasn't around them that often, but she might have given him a sperg. Remember that the writers are still in the modern age, so the angsty teens are going to be generic shits on t.v.>>216499813She did as he asked in that case. The jackass game is completely realistic as we recently had some little girl die while playing on a train.>>216499833Because man is the superior race.
>>216499720The kind of kids who act like that have absentee fathers and negligent mothers, who are also both retard fuckups, which is where the kids get it from. Kinda like how all Juggalos are typically from low class, and poor neighborhoods. The son of a doctor doesn't try to join the circus getting a job smashing his dick with a hammer. The Klingon shit his son was suddenly into came off more like Belana's own personal drama about being a half-breed cunt who grew up angry and retarded until she discovered engineering.
>>216500155>posts a fallacy?You said that it was a typical family. I said it wasn't in my experience. You can say it's anecdotal, or whatever you're getting at, but you made the initial claim.>fallacy fallacyI'm infallible because everything I say is true from my perspective. Call me obiwan.>>216500477>The Klingon shit his son was suddenly into came off more like Belana's own personal drama about being a half-breed cunt who grew up angry and retarded until she discovered engineering.Agreed.
>>216500680You clearly don't know what typical means, nor do you understand a fallacy. I said stereotypical, asshat, not typical.
>>216500843>I said stereotypicalFair enough. I conflated terms.>asshatLighten up. This conversation about a holographic family within 25 year old tv show about wayward space communists doesn't matter enough to get upset about.
>>216491171>Why was Tuvok only a Lieutenant Commander after like 80 years in Starfleet? Was he stupid or something?humans get affirmative action
>>216491171he was actually called in for a promotion but he rolled into the room with phaser set to wide beam and stunned all the admirals
>>216499086Kim almost got himself killed multiple times trying to save the ship
>>216491171Covert ops. Joined later than most. Can't be promoted and still be security chief?Nobody questions Kim being an ensign or whatever for like 20 years, but they retconned him into a super spook or some dumb shit.
>>216491171A Lt. Commander is equivalent to an Army Major. So it's not a low rank. They can captain a small vessel and typically the XO or dept heads on larger ships.
>>216501784He's shitposting. Kim had no chance because he was decades away from his empire.
>>216502233Nog was near the top of his class, nearly good enough that a little nudge from Sisko could get him into Red Squad. His field experience allowed him to prove over and over again that he was an exceptionally capable individual. Kim, on the other hand, didn't die on the job. That's it. He wasn't an expert at anything. He wasn't especially good. He was in a bad situation and survived, but that's all he did.
>>216499291Chakotay's whole thing was leading the Maquis and they slowly drop this till the hard out. Then he has nothing to do but be generic starfleet guy. He's like a red shirt that never dies.
>>216503129Every Maquis episode is like>WE SHOULD FUCKING MUTINY>...>actually on second thought this status quo is fine
>>216503333Voyager desperately needed some story arcs. Year of hell should have been a whole year, and not time travel resets.
