How did The Matrix directors predict we'd be trapped culturally in the 20th century?
>>216500490Erm, the 20th century is 1900-2000....
how did they know civilization would peak exactly at 1999?
>>216500512In the matrix the virtual world is perpetually in 1999.
>>216500553they just chose the year the movie released
>>216500490anon you think it is the year 2025. actually it's closer to 1999
>>216500555Plug me in with those trips
>>216500555I think anon is from a place where the sydney skyline from 1999 looks like 2099 to him
>>216500490>Sydney in 1999 is the peak of our civilization
>>216500649You will never know how great it was.
>>216500649Terrifying, isn't it.
>>216500490because 1999 is a kino sounding number
>>216500626626 is a cool digit too, because lilo and stitch.
>>216500490>>216500553anyone remotely aware of the real world knew the internet would lock "culture" (read: shared experience) to 1999>>216500512the 20th century doesn't end until the first day of 2002, as there is no 0th year, thus decades are only from 1st to 11th year.
>>216500490The directors were pretty familiar with postmodern (or adjacent) philosophy given Neo picks up a book by Baudrillard. The cultural stagnation (and repetition) of postmodernity was already commented on by Frederic Jameson in the 1980s, predating the Matrix. Keen observers of art already observed a move towards pastiche and parody in lieu of genuine novelty.
>>216500779Literally all of this "philosophy" is mental masturbation meaningless nonsense.There's nothing objectively true about it.
>>216500799Okay, thanks for this meaningless response. It was cute when you used the quotation marks as if the word philosophy is some big fancy word that you had to knock down a peg.
>>216500850>Okay, thanks for this meaningless response.It's not meaningless because it's actually true unlike 90% of "philosophy"You people are basically like flat earthers. Yapping a whole lot about nothing.
>>216500490>Take the blue pill and you can live in perpetual 1999>Take the red pill and you can live in a cramped submarine eating slop and occasionally visiting the nigger orgy city
>>216500949I'm taking the Blue Pill.
>>216500490That was predicted decades ago but we didn't listen. The Wachowsky admit they were influenced by Simulacrum and Simulacra
>>216500799It's hard enough in any philosophy to demonstrate objective truthfulness, at least with a satisfactory standard of rigor. Mostly we go by convergence, i.e., independent groups systematically deriving the same models or conclusions. If you disagree with this notion of truthfulness then we practically have to discount all sense experience.Given that people across the political spectrum have independently recreated Jameson's critique (along with the critiques by many other postmodern writers), then it does speak to some element of the cultural zeitgeist which is 'true'. Culture does feel stagnant, there is a ubiquity of pastiche, reboots, etc. And even if it's not true, it doesn't really matter for this conversation, because it was still inspirational for the Matrix and is clearly referenced within the film.
>>216500949red pill if I get to share a goon cave with Mouse
>>216500512It started in 1901. 1900 is the ultimate year of the 19th Century (it's obvious if you think about it)
We're already in a simulation.
>>216500490>Human culture peaked when the Australian government realised its own film industry sucked so literally paid Americans to make movies over there
>>216501003>weskipped
>AI capturing of voice exists to replicate it perfectly>AI is currently capable of scanning a person and creating a near-photorealistic image of them>AI can technically be trained on a person's behavior to the point it might be indistinguishable from the real personAll of this is advancing daily. The conclusion is that soon AI "people" are going be interacting with real people in a way that will not be able to be distinguished or even kept track of. And once robot bodies are sufficiently advanced these entities will be in the real world too.In fact, there is no way of knowing if it's not the year 5000 and we're not living in a 21th century theme park and we're not already those entities.
>>216501065>soonThat was 5 years ago.
>>216501052What's wrong with that? We, as in humanity collectively, bases the truthfulness of science on repetition.
>>216500490Yoomers don't know Prince already called it years earlier
>>216501003>it's true because people say it's trueThe absolute state of philosophy cucks
>>216500490Wishful thinking.
>>216501156>truth is based on consensus bro!lmao how do you retards even exist?
>>216500490They knew that with the ww2 history supplanting the 30 years war history, that we'd be worshiping the 20th century for the next 400 years
>>216501156It's just a creepy way of speaking that LE SCIENCE reddit cucks seem to have adopted en masse
>>216501329Anti-intellectualism is cancer.
>>216501065yeah any day now rakshit
>>216500649Ironically pre Sydney 2000 was. Before it got overwhelmed by immigration in the west and ageism in the east causing housing shortages, traffic congestion and liquor laws killing the nightlife >T. Sydney
>>216501272Scientific truth is based on consensus. That's why replication is so important and why the replication crisis is so serious. The only other truths are logical/mathematical but these don't tell you anything about the world of sense experience.Bringing up "objective truth" in the latter context makes no sense. It's just a bad attempt at disavowing philosophies you don't like. >>216501329Because it's an easy way to refer to the collection of developed societies that engage in science.
>>216500949>White civilization of reason and order vs degenerate diversity cave literally name "Zion"Cyber had the right idea. Too bad they killed him.
>>216500649>>Sydney in 1999 is the peak of our civilizationYes it was. You got a problem with that?
>>216501423>Scientific truth is based on consensus.No it isn't lmaoIt's based on a priori and deductive reasoning, not the consensus.Who the fuck is dumb enough to believe the truth is whatever the majority thinks it is.>It's just a bad attempt at disavowing philosophies you don't like.Because those "philosophies" aren't logical and are just mental masturbation for pseuds.
>>216501631>scientific truth>a prioriKek speaking of pseuds
>>216500490Did the year 1999 just repeat indefinitely or what? Did the machines just reset everyone's brain every new years?
>>216501380I like how you can tell by the motions that it's just the indian operator panicking and shutting off his headset before he gets blamed for fucking up.
>>216501785lol retard
>>216501219this. and lately I'm coming around to him calling the internet a "fad"
>>216501631Every scientific model is downstream of sense information gathered by experiment or observation. Consensus is required to verify (as best as possible) that your sense information isn't faulty. If you're a schizo then you can't deductively reason because your sense data is wrong. This is why replication is a major part of science. Why do you think the replication crisis is a crisis?>Who the fuck is dumb enough to believe the truth is whatever the majority thinks it is.Because you don't have access to perfect information about the world and you can't always trust your own senses. Just because you have an a priori formulation of something doesn't make it right. What you keep calling objective knowledge is you smuggling away a bunch of implicit assumptions about things and then pretending you're engaging with the real world when you're really engaging with an illusion you created.
>>216502412Most "philosophy" cannot be replicated. It's just mental masturbation.>you can't always trust your own senses. What do you mean senses? I use my brain and logical reasoning.>Just because you have an a priori formulation of something doesn't make it right.Holy shit you're one of those retards lmao>1+1=2 isn't real it's just your opinion maaan>illusion you created.See this is why most philosophy is illogical garbage and laughed at by actual scientists.
>>216501804I think time advanced for a number of years past 1999 but was eventually reset again and again when new generations were born.
>>216501031years and dates aren’t reala few hundred years ago everyone just agreed to pretend the current year was the random number that they came up with
>>216502679>What do you mean senses?We're discussing science. The aim is to build models which describe the world. You need to interact with the world, which means using your senses. You use your eyes, ears, touch, etc., or some tools which are just extensions of those senses. Those senses are fallible so you need some way of reassuring yourself that you're correct. Consensus fills that gap. It's not strictly rigorous but it's the best thing you can do.Look up "scientific realism vs scientific antirealism", which covers convergent arguments among others.>>1+1=2 isn't real it's just your opinion maaanMathematical truths are different because they don't require interacting with the sensory world. They follow directly from axioms. What axioms are you going to pick to describe the physical world? Aren't they going to be based on sensory information? Then see the first point. >See this is why most philosophy is illogical garbageNo, it's maximally logical and that's the problem. People want objective truth but they can't actually show anything is objectively true outside some mathematical derivations.
>>216500649I was there in 1994 and it actually did feel like the apex of civilization.
>>216500724> the 20th century doesn't end until the first day of 2002, as there is no 0th year, thus decades are only from 1st to 11th year.Retarded sperg
>>216501031Nope.
>>216501423> Scientific truth is based on consensusFalse. It is based on empiricism. You’re describing something called jew-science which was created by Robert Maxwell buying most of the scientific journals.
>>216500490becausesay it with meTRANS RIGHTS ARE HUMAN RIGHTS!!!!!!!
>>216503221Autobots assemble.
>>216503221Nice spacing
>>216500720>see your digits>turn 720 degrees and walk away
>>216501003Just go back to Ancient Greece. All of this new age bullshit philosophy of “mehhh there is no objective truth!” is just a circular, horse shit, overly wrought way to justify cutting off your dick and declaring yourself a woman. About the last 1,000 years of philosophy has been striving for that achievement. With absolute certainty the last 100 years of it sure as fuck has been.
