Costume designers should be publicly flogged and humiliated
>>216791384looks badass to me idk why you guys hate it so much
>>216791384For what? Giving the director what he wanted? That’s the job
>>216791384Safdie is just ugly as shit. That's why they covered up his disgusting face
>>216791384>everyone is constantly clean shavenWell done, Hollywood
>>216791384What's the problem here?
>>216791503It's not just like Troy again. The west has fallen
>>216791438Cyclops are believable but not men being clean shaven?
>>216791643>Cyclops are believable but not a 2014 Honda Accord?
>>216791384looks cool to meremember, this was in the Bronze Age, but the story was from the Greek Dark Agesthey looked back to the Trojan wars in the same way that medieval European looked back at Rome in its glory daysthat's why they're all tall chads who are smarter than gods and just killing people by the thousandsit's not a historical drama, it's heightened mythological stories
>>216791384>
This thread is full of subhumans.
>>216791384They probably just stole the design from Astartes.
How would they even know what the spine looks like
>>216791384what about set designers? dont fool yourself the problem is bigger than that
>>216791384the spinal cord on the crest goes hard but the rest of the helmet looks something out of power rangers or a shitty scifi movie
>>216791891based if true
>>216791912They kill a lot of people.
>>216791912You are a legitimate retard
>>216791384the left one is 'shopped and it's still dogshitlook at the trailer
>>216791912From skeletons of dead people, obviously. You think bones were discovered after X-rays or something?
>>216791643you're doing the BMW series 5 meme anon
>>216791384Is this Tom Holland?
>>216791384Isn't Agamemnon older than Odysseus and Achilles in the troyan war? He looks even younger than Odysseus there.
>>216792273The historian? He's more about Rome than Troy.
>>216791384That looks cool though. Someone post the fat robocop squad instead.
>>216791384I really don't know what the problem is, looks badass and cool, like capeshit
>>216791384What am I supposed to look at here?
>>216792313Odysseus is really fucking old in the illiad
>>216791384Ha, looks like the Dark Knight cowl
>>216792983But Agamemnon is supposed to be a man that has conquered all the other city states previous to the troyan war, right? He can't be so young.
>>216791423And you're how far north of 200lbs?
>>216791384I've seen a lot of spinals Dude, and this one's fake. A fucking goldbricker.
>>216792983The only thing we know about Odysseus and his physical appearance from the Iliad is that he is noticeably shorter than the other kings and generals, broad in the chest and shoulders, and that he moved around camp like a wild goat among sheep. That could either mean he's darker, hairier, more confident, more alert or visibly feral. He's never described as younger or older than his peers. It's logical to assume that he's around Agamemnon's age.
>>216791384All the white men who knew how to make stuff have been kicked out of Hollywood
>>216791401Anon it's okay to have standards
>>216791401ffs you fucking indians are the worst
>>216791912kek
>>216793432Shut up paki idiot
>>216791401/thread
>>216793432not indian and it looks cool
>>216791915one common error from directors is to asume ancient populations were all well groomed, well fed, well clothed, with uniform like clothing that follows a straight pattern.
>>216791401I just think it looks funny as fuck. There's no way to take it seriously
>>216791438Out of all things, really?
>>216791384Capeshit has done catastrophic damage to entertainment as a whole
>>216791384>NOOOOOOOO its not heckin realistic im gonna cry
>>216791912You got him there anon
>>216794484When the fuck did she become so obese?
>>216794484If those tits don't leak soon I'm gonna do something
>>216791915Nolan is going senile.
>>216791912>
>>216791384I thought this was the fucking Blue Guards from Phantom Menace at first and I was about to lay into you, but no, you're right.
>>216791438Men shaved regularly for hygiene long before the time period this fictional book would be set you utter mong
>>216794484Hummina hummina.
>>216793432Scandinavian 125 IQ white male here and I think it looks pretty neat, it's a fucking fantasy show you retards, you do realize that, don't you?
>>216791384Nolan is a retard.
>>216791384This is set in the future.
>>216796609I get the feeling he's going for an Assassin's Creed type twist, even their ancient greek game had involvement of an ancient precursor civilization being responsible for creating a real cyclops and minotaur
I miss color
>>216791438>clean shavenThat's the least of problems of this movie.
>>216792983Just like your mom
>>216791384Doesn't look any worse than that gay little breastplate Brad Pitt was wearing in Troy.
>>216796609And all the monsters are just radioactive mutants from nuclear fallout?
>>216796679Or some clown shit like circus attractions for the zoo before the civilization fell.Mirroring the extreme excess usually seen in a collapsing empire.
>>216796609After watching Noah, I looked at the comic book version and we don't really know if it's set in the past, the future or another planet
>>216791401thisthe one interesting thing about the trailer was the costume design, and i guess the music
>>216791891I will now watch nolanslop
Is this a joke?Why is the trailer compressed to shit.
>>216794484oh my science
>>216791912>they haven't invented invasive procedures yetI unironically like your take lmao
>>216796788Like... WHAT?
>>216796788Jewtube does that to save bandwidth on high traffic media.
>>216791912This anon is asking important questions.
>>216796788Don't watch the one published by UniversalCheck this one instead: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kx3pmGx24Tg
>>216796788>>216796819apparently it's just op's trailer, there are better ones on youtube already
>>216791912Hearty kek
>>216791384Target audience?
>>216791384fact that this is benny safde is hilarious
>>216791401Nigga, u gay lmao
>>216791912Suspension of disbelief.
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>>216797000The trailer, btw.
>>216796677yikes!
>>216791401it looks like plastic
>>216791401its too big, and the bristles look like they came off an upholstery cleaner
>>216797000>>216797008>the trailer btwSuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure, buddy.
>>216794484>all those fucking scars on her armI bet her legs look like a war zone under that pantyhose
>>216791384Cheap mass produced plastic.
>>216796819madam that look like ai is that ai ai the cook internet bradahap slow make internet ai is makings
>>216796609Explains all the niggers.
>>216796588This is such retard cope. It's fantasy in the context of a historical fiction. Thisis like giving guns to the crusaders just because you read Jerusalem Delivered
>>216791401really? shit looks awful to me. trying too hard for cape shit
>>216791384what’s the shift away from realism?Capeshit started it by having more vibrant colors to the costumes and being in line with the look of the comicsIs it a deliberate design choice, or is it just par the course for the competency crisis?
Nolan is a cultural programmer (nukes are real goys). I think the Odyssey looks like AI to get people to associate the coming world of fake AI bullshit with collective perception of the past (yes I know Odyssey is fiction, but you get the idea).
>>216791384I know it's a stylistic choice for a mythical story anyway but I still don't like how the area surrounding the face actually directs a stab TOWARDS the eyes. Generally speaking, every helmet designed for somebody who might get stabbed in the face either has a sloping face (that slopes away from the eyes), or even visor area that specifically protrudes--again, so that stabs directed at the face slide outward, rather than directly into your skull. That helmet's better than nothing but it is begging to get you stabbed in the face.
>>216797073>this was considered cool in 2004Weird times.
>>216797073This is more believable than the capeshit in OP.
>>216791384Why does the helmet look 3D printed?
>>216791401Would it annoy you to learn that the vertebrae are upside down?
>>216793105>defending some dumb actor fuckAre you fucking stupid? Also, Anon is not an actor, so who the hell cares how Anon looks, you dumb fuck? Safdie lives by his looks, you stupid twat.
>>216797579Probably is lol. I really doubt they used any real metal or weapons in the movie.
The spine is very corny. You don't have to be a chud to see that. You just have to be over the age of 20.
>>216791384Is Nolan ahead of his time?
Can someone explain the lore a bit.Why is Odysseus bowing to Agamemnon. I get that Agamemnon is the "leader" of the greeks and a king, but I thought greek polis city states are all independent more or less. I thought it was more of an alliance of greeks to take down Troy, not that Agamemnon literally rules over all of Greece like he's an Emperor.This scene comes off looking like Odysseus is his servant or underling, not like they're allies with a common goal.
>>216794484I want her to engulf my dick
>>216797073At least I can see a resemblance, a crumb a little speck of fucking attempt to have something even close to metal
>>216797488lmao this,>take glancing blow off the cheeck>spear head/arrow tip goes directly into your eye and likely kills you
>>216791384>Muted dull colors>Brutalist toaster armor
>>216791384It doesnt matter to me anymore. I am officially never going to a movie in the theater again after paying $27 for Avatar 3. It was high tier bait and switch woke trash. I will pirate all future films
>>216797488iirc when I was reading about greek combat and battles of the time they weren't as intense and bloody as the historical battles later on. two armies of opposing city states met in the field and had a go at it and once one side sufficiently started winning it was pretty much stopped. the reason for this was reluctance to cripple the economy of the city that lost since the winning side wanted them to function properly once taken. city states were relatively small and it was not feasible to kill too many able men if you wanted to take the city.
>>216793105This is a woman post. This is how they think
>>216791384How would you fix this helmet?
>>216798003Yes, the problem is his time is supposed to be Ancient Greek time. A time of stone and metal. He is operating in Modern times, a time of cheap plastic from Temu doused in metallic spraypaint
>>216798322Throw it in the bin and hire an armour smith to make a real one
>>216791438it's the little things that matter and it's the number one reason all movies made after 1995 look like shit, all of them.the point is to be somewhat realistic, even if it isn't realistic at all.Highlander is one of the best movies ever because of this.
>>216791912the spine was invented in the 14th century. they would have known about it.
>>216798349fucking kek
>>216791401It looks cheap, and it doesnt feel ancient greek. This is like a post modern, capeshitty rendition of Odyssey
>>216791912wow
>>216798349lmao
>>216791912They played Mortal Kombat
>>216791912Agamemnon is actually credited for the discovery of the spine. He's the first recorded human being to use the word "spine" specifically and even describes it in detail. The name Agamemnon means "Big Spine" in ancient greek. After winning at Troy he was also lost at sea for many years and discovered Spain, which explains the name (later on arabs corrupted the name from Spine to Spain, because they couldn't pronounce it correctly in their whistling tongue). From the greek spine we got the roman spinus and spinula and later on it got re-corrected into spine in english once the older texts were rediscovered by scholars.
>>216791384nolan watched DUNC and vowed>I CAN DO WORSE
>>216791915Um this is Troy, not Greece, so square columns are ok.
>>216798078I can't remember if the heroes actually bow to Agamemnon in the poems, but he's still the leader of their alliance and the most powerful Greek king. It doesn't seem that egregious to me.
>>216791915Looks like my minecraft greek temples
>>216798078Odysseus was kind of a giant scheming asshole. It was his fault the Trojan War happened.
Oh boy I cant wait til this skin comes to Fortnite!
>>216791915This takes cursory knowledge of architecture
>>216794484Awooga!
>>216791401brown
GABAAAAAN
>>216798855A cursory knowledge would tell you Tuscan pillars were Roman, not Greek, were rounded, not square, and still more ornamental than that painted cardboard shit in that trailer clip. Also Tuscan architecture is from 9th Century BC to the 1st Century BC - The same time the Greeks had Triremes, so that argument for the Viking Longboat being more 'Historically accurate' flies out the window. Somehow the accuracy of this film only matters when it saves money.
>>216791438Greeks and Romans are always shaven, you fucking hack. It's the Germanics and Celtics that have beards
>>216799381I'm sorry mate were you there?
>>216798078Ya they were both kings, and "technically" Equals. So bowing would have been a huge huge no no(or whatever they fuck they did back then) Specifically to maintain the illusion that they were equals which they were not. Honestly it was sort of a HRE situation with Agamemnon being the person least not your boss.
>>216799395not always, the fashions changed back and forth over the centuries
>>216799395Did they have razors?
>>216799395being dumb isnt something to share. >>216799485yes you fuck.
>>216799529can you show me one fossil of an ancient greek razor please
>>216799482don't care, that's how they are in films and seems right
>>216798181Do you have an AMC near you? Join A-List. For like $26 a month (+$2 for NY and CA,) you can see 4 movies a week without up charges for 3D or IMAX. I paid $27 for Avatar 2 in IMAX 3D but 16 movies this month including Avatar 3 in IMAX 3D was $26.
>>216799482>>216799529>>216799540Idiots, they just didn't have to shave naturally. All men were born into the military back then.
>>216798393>>the point is to be somewhat realistic, even if it isn't realistic at all.Amazing how few people can strike this balance right for any media really
>Anglos>Blacks>Browns>Asians>0 Greeks>0 MediterraneansBravo Nolan...
>>216799956Some would call him a genius.
>>216799540fossil? Also bronze and iron corrode you retard.
>>216791401The vertebra thing is weird. Is it supposed to attach his head to his hair? The broom bristles in what's supposed to be a horsehair helm is hard to unsee. It literally looks like a shop broom cut to shape.
>>216791401based
>>216800147>attach his head to his hairAttach his helm to his hair, goddamn. >>216799540Anon, men shaved in antiquity. Men shaved all the way back to the fertile crescent civilizations. The greeks had the capacity to perform cataract surgeries on people's eyes, they definitely had it in them to shave.
>>216791912>nobody has answered the question
>>216791912Because anatomy was crowdsourced back then
>>216800399More like fashion
>>216791401helm cheeks are gaythe helmet is suppose to deflect glancing blows, not catch them in the facefunctionally terriblealso the color is gay, just like you
>>216799395tell that to aristotle or socrates
>>216791915look at that fucking spanholy shit
>>216797311i noticed that immediately too. props and costume workers(cheap untalented ones) always re-use other stuff and just glue things over it. in dune for example i noticed the gloves and boots used were cheap combat or regular shit that pops up when you google combat gear. they just glued fabric over it. i think i even saw the vibram logo on the bottom of some boots/shoes which totally killed the movie for me.
>>216791384I agree it sucks, yeah, but I kinda like the idea Nolan is trying to convey. He is trying to make the pieaces look to us like they looked to the average men in that age. To them, the average armor had the glamour of a megazord. For example, take a car from the 70s. Back then they were marvels of product design, but now everyone would think of them simple. So he is trying to make a movie set in the 70s and reimagining the cars to give the same emotion people of the time had about the originals.Again, I do agree the designs suck, but I like the way he was thinking. Sometimes you gotta fail just because, you dont really know if its gonna work until way into development. Maybe some of the designs will be good, maybe even trope-defining. 2001 made a vessel for the gods a literal black rectangle and since everyone has copied it. One day a random jew in east asia woke up and drew a weird tree and called it the tree of life, then his friend tripping on gold powder said every branch was a face from ywaeh and since then sephiroth became a thing.
daily reminder chris nolan thought this thing on the right looked cool
>>216800084>>216800172Still waiting for the fossil of the razor.C'mon, let's see it. Just one!
>>216791401It looks like a cheap plastic halloween costume you braindead retard
>>216791401Rangeban India
>>216791384That meant to be Agaememnon, Menelaus or Achilles?
>>216791401Perfectly smooth plastic
>>216791384How come a single helmet causes such a strong reaction to many anons?
>>216800884it looks like a parody
>>216800884Costume design has been steadily dropping more and more in movies, this is just over the top disgusting with how bad it is.
>>216800884Despite the cast list being released a while back almost everyone was expecting a more or less historical movie or at the very least one that tries to capture the setting with an attempt at authenticity of some kind.This helmet and everything it signals means we'll be looking at something closer to that Immortals movie by Tarsem or something hyperstylized like that. Not necessarily a bad thing, but kinda cheesy and arbitrary.I mean at this point why not give Odysseus a submarine, Trojans machine guns and so on... on top of that everything in the trailer looks like it's set on Iceland, not in the aegean.
>>216801022At least it's a real prop and not a CGI object like the ones they use in marvel movies.
>>216801129>at this point why not give Odysseus a submarineDon't say it. Nolan would do it.
>>216797366"historical fiction" my ass, the Iliad was the equivalent of The Avengers for the Greeks. It's essentialyl an adaptation of a fantasy from that era. God you're retarded
>>216791384I just saw that one Raxephon painting and noticed it has this too.
>>216801214I wouldn't call the gods the avengers when they literally were just messing with them for their own fun. Watching the Avengers just meddling in a war of humans, taking favorites and fucking with their rivals sounds like a great time.
You have a complaint about the quality?Simply stop consuming, if you think you can help yourself.
>>216791912The wouldn’t. Nobody knew anything before 1945
>>216801214Palaephatus, a 4th century BC author, wrote about the Iliad detailing actual events but poeticized. Plato thought the same. Alexander slept with a copy of it under his pillow every night, sacrificed 2 bulls to Zeus every morning and sincerely believed he was a direct descendant of Achilles 800 years hence. Safe to say the Trojan war was regarded as a bit more than sunday morning cartoon slop anon
>>216791384Looks like all of his production design was done with the bing image creator and no one told him to fuck off.
>>216791423>hurrr this movie based on a completely fictional story set in a heavily fictionalized version of a real place isn't historically accurate durrr!
>>216791401this entire website is just bait at this point
>>216801504>isn't historically accurate durrr!The problem isn't it its "historical accuracy" but more that it just looks cheap and shitty and awful. Troy wasn't terribly historically accurate, and while it lifts some sections right from the source material, its not terribly faithful to the source material either. But its a fun well made movie with a really great action scene and Brendan Gleeson gets to go full murderhobo-ham. Brian Cox is at his greasiest and sleaziest. O'Toole (RIP) in one of his last roles was great as Priam. Nothing about nolans movie looks like it is going to be good or entertaining on any level.
>>216794484Is she in the movie?
>>216799485For the Germanics and Celts we've found bronze age grooming kits, which included razors, tweezers, combs, nail-cutters, and ear-spoons. They weren't savages.
PFFFTAHAHAHAHAH
>>216800598The one on the left made the actor unable to move his neck, which forced him to turn his entire body if he wanted to look around. It was really funny when I watched it.
>>216791384Here's you Aryan God bro
If you're unironically going to watch an adaptation of one of the greatest Epics in the Western Tradition in which one of the actors is named "zendaya" you are an absolute fucking retarded cuckold and a shame upon all your ancestors.
>>216802005My sides.
>>216801366Not that anon, but the avengers are Achilles, Agamemmnon, Hector etc, not the actual gods.
This nigga Nolan hasn't done a good movie in over 10 years. Only actual retards would expect him to deliver nowHe is finished
>>216802297He has a big name.
'metellyousumethin. Last fucking month, I had to go up to Boston for a funeral. My mom's dad, big Irish wake, whole family was there. Yeah, I'm one quarter Irish dickwad, why the fuck does that matter right now? I get back to Belmont and I find out my wife ran off with some asshole from Philly. I go down to get her back and these assholes are all holed up in the corner pub like it's fucking Waco. The one asshole she ran off with comes out, I turn that fucker into a cheese grater. Real parmigiano box grater shit. He just walks back inside like nothing happened. So then I realize that this isn't gonna work out like we planned. We gotta think deeper. It's January, so of course they're all having playoff bullshit happening. I find out they're getting a whole bunch of food catered in. We intercept the van, disguise ourselves as dipshit cooks from Philly, and go to the pub. They open the doors and we just come out blasting. Real sunday fucking gravy. My bitch was there fucking screaming and shit but as soon as I saw her everything just melted away. Couldn't even be mad anymore. Took her back to the neighborhood. Obviously things aren't what they were before but life goes on.
It only looks 'cool' in a capeshit sense, like if you're a DCfag and reading Wonder Woman and Ares pops up with this look then it looks cool. Within the context of this history-fantasy epic based on a work so important to Western history, it's a fucking joke
>>216802580Kek
The helmet looks way too heavy.
>>216791912lol
>>216798855none of these styles existed in 1200 BC.
Where's the rap music and the niggers? Literally unwatchable.
>>216791384sharp elbows 0/10 historical accuracy would not bang
>>216802580Would watch
>>216791384Less is more..dumb fucks
>>216800598Right is way cooler
>>216791384muttslop
>>216791384doesn't gamesworkshop own the solo space marine project series now, why not sue for this blatant copyright infringement with the exposed spine helmet
>>216799442Fuck off Ridley
>>216802580Lol
>>216802297I liked Oppenheimer, fight meThough I will say Nolan's overall quality has dropped off at a pretty steady pace. Oppenheimer was the odd one out of his last few movies.
>>216802580He's a big god
>>216791384It looks cool in a "this is just a dumb movie and I'm not gonna take it that seriously" kind of way, but obviously if you're taking it seriously then it looks goofy as fuck. I dunno, the trailer seems to have made it clear that this is going to be a silly movie.
>>216802580Kino. I'd rather watch this instead
>>216801903This. They were in fact white and in many ways superior to all the other races of that era.
Shaqamemnon
>>216791401yeah its getting very boring seeing posts crying about the accuracy of a story that doesnt have any recorded proof it ever existed.Even the location of Troy is an educated guess. Schliemann dug deep enough, went too far and thought "OK the previous level was the right one"
>>216804235>I liked Oppenheimerthe opening 30 minutes are amazing imo. Nolan genuinely going outside his comfort zone and pulling it off
I actually thought the spine was some low texture sprite someone was shopping in to these pics
>>216791384I don’t know why but it reminded me of ripping out spines in Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance. Looks like a video game enemy weak point.https://youtu.be/PwyNJ_h_a_0https://youtu.be/-_mk-y6FpAw
>>216796609that would be cool though
>>216797479>Capeshit started it by having more vibrant colors>colors aren't realistic
>>216803231historical accuracy is not needed for fictional story. Just as long as it fits the setting. its not a documentary.
>>216797613They have to be. Vertebrae only get thicker when you go down. That would look even worse.
It would be as easy to put in the movie this: INSPIRED by Homer's The Odyssey. And that's it, it is inspired but then the director adds his personal designs.
>>216798196That was sort of true for routine battles between neighbors, which in some ways were almost like glorified sports games. However when a battle had real stakes, like a foreign invader intent on pillage or one of the local cities making a play for permanent hegemony over the region, the battles would get serious and they would actually try to kill the other side. Public opinion from the peanut gallery was a thing back then too; for example Rome caught a lot of flack from the wider Mediterranean world for razing Corinth.
>>216797311This
>>216802580I would actully watch this
>>216791384I've accepted this is an interpretation that leans into the fantasy aspect instead of pretending to be a period accurate historical account. I mean there are cyclops, sirens, and scylla right in it, you guys all know this didn't actually happen?
>>216791912this gets it
>>216806748>>216806411I am more afraid they won't lean hard enough into the fantastic aspects of the tale and try to cut out how important the gods were to the story like how Troy basically edited out all the gods from the story.
How is Agamemnon so young?
>>216806748you can have a historical aesthetic and add mythical stuff to itwarhammer fantasy battle is more true to the aesthetics of the renaissance than this is to mycenean greece
>>216802580>arkham batman isekais into the middle of odyssey and starts beating shit upkinooo
>>216802519kek>l'masku sumtin Odysseus, whatcha gun do when dem suitors rise up, u gun proteg pen'lepi huh??He seems to get more yid with each new role.
>>216806907Thought the same. It’s plausible a young newcomer becomes king of kings; Alexander, Mehmet etc
>>216791384The internet reactions would look quite a bit different if they went with more authentic and even lively-looking armour from the Bronze Age, instead of Hollywood leather imitations of Iron Age Classical Greek armour.
>>216807247Yes it’s a creative difference most are willing to look the other way on. I’m glad Nolan is doing an adaptation and hope it kickstarts others to bring back swords and sandals. Maybe Nolan had some thoughts on interstellar and how he’d change it, and then thought fuck it do Odyssey since they’re very similar stories
>>216801931what the fuck
>>216801214There is enough historical evidence that we can say that Troy was violently destroyed, that a Agamemnon was real, and that there was a ruler of Troy called Priyam (Piyama-radu) and that he had a son called Alexandu (Paris)
>>216791912when were skeletons invented
>>216807403What’s the evidence on Agamemnon?I know about Alexandros/Paris and Priam
>Zendaya as AthenaThey got to Nolan didn't they?
>>216791384Jesus christ anon, I thought you were making fun of the blue guards from star wars.
>>216791401>Saaaaaar! I am doing the needful and best post of the Achilles! Sars, is we needing the share universe film with India mithology? Superhero movie is greetest type of the filming! As a white man i wanting to seeing the India god Bishinobborunu fight Achilles!
>>216806411Meanwhile the same rlmites neggers fanboys such as yourself bust our balls about historically and scientifically accurate vampires werewolves and vikangs or Nolan fanboys talking about batman's and inception "realism"
>>216807289>most are willing to look the other way on.No.
>>216791912Nolanfags still don't have an answer for this
>>216799485They had swords, what do you think? Retard
>>216799956Give it a rest. It's a fantasy fairytale, it doesn't have to be realistic. Besides, there were black people back then, too.
>>216802005Greeks always did have a fancy for little boys, so having zend as the ultimate beauty makes sense
>>216802580KINO KINO KINO
>>216797311Read my mind
>>216801931Netflix witcher tier costumes
>>216801129>why not give Odysseus a submarine, Trojans machine guns and so on..The Legion had the machine guns, anon.
>>216791401A kike never looks badass
