/AFAG/ - Avatar Fire and Ash General (but also Avatar as a whole)Previous thread: >>216789744
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This nigga won so hard in life
>>216800035Norm fucking won
>>216800035Why did everyone disappear in the final battle? Where did the matriarch go? She was pretty much invulnerable. Where did all the armies go?
>saves humanity
>>216800107holy baseddo you think he occasionally goes back into his human body just to fuck his blue waifu with his real cock
I just want more cool human tech. That's what I love most about those movies.
>>216800201Imagine if they bring metal gears to Pandora in avatar 4
>>216800035The tatted bald dude by Scoresby is basically another Lyle Wainfleet to Quaritch. In Avatar 3, when Scoresby in the later stage of the battle orders his crew to go deeper after the Tulkun, the bald guy's like, "Seriously? We're doing this?"
Why do critics respect or are at least more favorably inclined towards the millionth super hero movie while criticizing the Avatar movies for doing certain things that are the bread and butter of pretty much all the super hero movies? I feel like almost all the criticisms levied against Avatar can be levied a hundredfold against what comes out of the MCU. Or any big blockbuster for that matter.I feel like the vision of a singular man manifested into the worldbuilding of Avatar as opposed to the super safe, board approved, textureless, flavorless gruel Marvel pumps out on a timed schedule should be held in a somewhat higher regard.Now I am not saying Avatar should be treated as the greatest artistic masterpiece of all time, but the discrepancy here is baffling to me. Avatar, when compared to the MCU movies, has so much more maturity and emotion and soul. Genuinely dramatic and tragic things happen whereas in super hero flicks it's the most surface level type of "drama" with some quips sprinkled in. It also excels and surpasses in the domain super hero movies like to claim: Action.What do you guys think? (And it's not a Disney thing because both are Disney)
>>216800156The final battle is very "random bullshit go". You can really tell that this was released with like 3 years after TWOW, whereas the break between the first one and TWOW was over 10 years I think. It's really just TWOW offcuts mixed with the offcuts of the first one and the bare minimum original content to make it at all coherent.
>>216800222critics are soulless shills. you should know this by now
If I'm not mistaken, Norm's daughter is best friends with Tuk
>>216800215He gets eaten by a squid right? I forgot
>>216800222I think you should pretend rotten tomatoes doesn't exist. You'll enjoy more movies if you ignore autistic reviewers.
>>216800222Critics are paid, if they didn't glaze these films is because they weren't paid
>>216800222Critics are retarded who love consuming slop.
This movie had no reason to exist, all the plot pointa could've been included in the second one. The world at large is in nearly the same place it was at the end of the second film.What a fucking waste of 3 hours.
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>>216800256I don't distinctly recall, but hopefully not. Kinda liked the guy. But the tiny bug in me's telling me that a squid did get to him, considering how ruthless and swift and surgical the creatures were.
>>216800222The bad faith argument would be that the critics are in Disney's pocket directly or indirectly (don't want to jeopardize industry friendships, want to keep being invited to parties, etc.) I don't really think it's real but you will hear this from people so maybe I'm wrong and there's something to tis.The good faith argument is that superhero movies are a genre unto itself and that lets them get away with some things. "Well, yeah, it's silly but it's a superhero movie, it's just a genre convention/the comic books were even dumber." Whereas Avatar does not have the genre to hide behind, it stands as a wholly original sci-fi saga. And that probably makes some of the silly stuff stand our more, it doesn't have the genre or the source material to hide behind.
>>216800222Quaritch isn't emasculated by admiral holdo, varang a cute, and neteri is space racist and hates her mixed mutt children. Cameron doesn't give a fuck about what they want, he's here to do what James Cameron does because James Cameron is James Cameron.
>>216800201I wish they had cool mechs like battle tech; the suits they had were really shitty looking
>>216800277They definitely should have skipped the whale wars shit in this one, focused on the characters and the ash tribe more. Tension between Quaritch and the military brass, perhaps him going rouge for real.I guess normies need some big battle at the end of every movie.
>>216800342>Quaritch isn't emasculated by admiral holdoHe's not a little bitch, that's for sure. Love how he gets right in her face, standing up for himself and for his girlfriend
>>216800035>>216800089>Wow, Kiri, thanks! Now I can breathe air and your BRAPs
>>216800089It's a bit cruel to make even a pretense of giving manlets hope, though. Most adults know better by now, but still. The sooner they make peace with life being fucked from the get-go, the better off everyone will be in the long run.
>trade convoy must be protected from raidersWhy is it just accepted that there are raiders without any question or explanation, it seems like Na'vi killing Na'vi is a fairly rare thing yet nobody questions this.When we finally learn why they are doing this it just raises even more questions - like for a start why did nobody help them when the volcano errupted??The whole concept just raises so many questions and has so many plot holes.Really lazy writing from Cameron.Then there is that magnetic flux rainbow going into the sky at the pod meeting, wtf was that all about?When the giant matriachs attack the cetops ship we see one of them crashing into it, and then that's the last we see or hear and later the ship is fine and now instead is threatened by that flux thing - what happened to the giants?And finally, the film ends with no resolution to the human occupation and exploitation of the resources.
You DID realize that Scoresby's bionic arm is a direct reference to that of the T-800, right /AFAG/? There's a close-up where Scoresby flexes the prosthetic at the bottom of the frame as he revs the throttle on his boat, calling attention to the look of the knuckles.
>>216800514>Mangkwan hometree gets fucked up>they become raiders out of necessity and then out of tradition >become notorious for being raidersIt's not that complicated
>>216800514Having thought about it I've concluded there could be a logical explanation, which the lack of loses some great story potential.Other tribes would not have been able to help due to relocating for safety and contributing warriors to Jakes war, the affected tribe itself may have contributed warriors too who weren't able to help their tribe get away from the erruption.And then further Jake might have prioritised fighting over helping this tribe, callously telling them to look after themselves.This would give that woman leading them a powerful motivation to have a grudge against Jake and other Na'vi.But nope, nothing in the film about how nobody helped.
>>216800514Some of this will probably be explained/quietly retconned in artbooks or other lorefluff.The interesting part for me when it comes to the ash people is why they hate Eywa but still do the USB connection thingy. I thought it was pretty obvious that connecting to things on Pandora makes you in tune with Eywa and ultimately makes you see things from the navi perspective. They do cut USB tails but from their enemies. As far as I see it would make more sense if they removed theirs first, like the Dark Protoss in Starcraft.
>>216800201It's quite disappointing to see that the AMP suits were hardly utilized in 3 other than delivering guns to the Mangkwan and pursuing Jake after he's broken free. Picrel was pure bliss despite it being two or three seconds max. The stammering muzzle flashes. The thuds blasting off the GAU-90 autocannons. All the footmen and Skel Suit personnel triggering their rifles in hellish firepower like that one scene in Jarhead with Jake Gyllenhaal and Peter Sarsgaard. Then again it's a PG-13 film, thereby limiting full potential, and I guess 30mms splattering heads and sending Na'vi limbs twirling was among the last Cameron had in mind.
>>216800568it's a reference to it getting bit off in the last filmalso the generals limo seen a moment before this >>216800434 is derived from the initial concept art of the Aliens APC
Only White men can know this feeling.
>>216800651They just want to mess up their enemies. They're not so depraved that they want to permanently take away their own ability to feel very specific forms of pleasure before encouraging the same for others, unlike certain groups of humans that I can think of.
>>216800651>I thought it was pretty obvious that connecting to things on Pandora makes you in tune with Eywa and ultimately makes you see things from the navi perspective.That comes from linking with the tree nodes from first film / coral nodes in second.They only link with their mounts or to captured people to torture them.
>>216800651But the ash guys corrupt the tail connection from an act of ultimate intimacy to something horrible
>>216800201They would need faster ones with jet boosters and energy swords.
>>216800156The good guys were defeated in the air and retreated. The whales were still fighting by the end, but we see some of the big ones being killed and they were outgunned by the whaling boats and subs. No one "disappeared".
>ALL I HAVE IS MY FAITHBased, Neytiri.FUCK ATHEISM
>>216800718In every shot with those two together, his smiling from ear to ear. Man's living the dream.
>>216800434>introducing your gf to your racist mom
>>216800434Carmella was such an underwhelming character. She's just a dumbass who dies from being a dumbass.
>>216800514>Wow what a fucking hack, did Cameron really think we needed a bunch of exposition about how the raiders exist in the avatar universe because they've rejected aewa? We're not fucking retards we can handle having less viewer knowledge than the characters on a subject for the sake of story.We could be saying they instead and I'm glad we don't have to even if it's filtering to people with no attention span. The explanation for why there are raiders is satisfied by Quaritch learning the history of the ash tribe during the bathroom coke with the goth girl scene. No one helped because aewa left them to die, it doesn't need more because if you pay attention you know how superstitious and dogmatic the fucking tree huggers are. They didn't help varangs tribe for the same reason the space whales and water nasvi exiled the good whale, their culture is fucking shit and characters realize it like Jake's son.
>>216800742>energy weaponsPlease no. One of the things Cameron was spot on with was that he decided to use conventional weapons like bullets and missiles rather than energy stuff.
>>216800222There are now dozens of characters established in these movies yet the only ones who's names I remember are almost all from the first movie and the only characters I like are Quaritch and Varang.Say what you will about Avatar but a compelling story it is not.
Cute
>>216800718They even blocked it the same way kek
>>216800514the only thing that progressed plotwise is kiri and spider, everyone else is at the same place they were at the end of 2. As fun as varang was, avatar 2 did nothing for the world, lore, plot, or character development outside kiri and spider
>>216800651If I cut that tail off will you die?
Am i the only one who hates this character? I dont even mind the whole father son idea + he's a wannabe navi shit, i guess i just hate the actor they chose, and his behavior, idk its just shit
>>216800795>dude shit just happens with no explanation deal with it
>>216800858this was the worst scene
>>216800858The actor can't act.Also why doesn't he wash his hair?
1 billie by the end of the week
>>216800858he's definitely Jims self-insert
>>216800160can we talk about how stupid the fucking goggles are?
>>216800222critics are suoigoy redditors
>>216800845I think its obvious that 2 and 3 (originally just 2) was clearly meant to be the first part of a trilogy with 4 and 5, and a lot of the lifting it was doing was basically just re-establishing the setting and introducing the new status quo and cast. Basically, Avatar 1 is the hobbit and 2 (3), 4 and 5 are LOTR.
>>216800718IMO a missed opportunity for Quaritch to just show her the napalm and deny her the sacred knowedge of Willy Pete.
>>216800718>Only White men can know the feeling of betraying your race for foreign pussynice flex
>>216800971"Race loyalty" is for faggots
>>216800858Tons of people do. I think he's ok
I'm not a huge avatarhead but i really loved this movie. I remember seeing avatar 1 in theaters and i was stunned by the 3d effects but I didn't much care for the story, but then I watched Way of the Water at home and I really enjoyed the new characters and how the familiar ones were expanded on, so now I quite wanted to see it in theaters and I enjoyed the hell out of it. I guess the beats are familiar but it's a visual spectacle and it tugs at the heartstrings and the battles I think are all nicely choreographed and busy but not overwhelming or confusing so I enjoy that movie, and I don't get why these movies are derided by so many and not just universally loved. maybe the eco-message and the cartoony villains are what people don't like about it
Jim said in an interview that Jake reuniting with Toruk wasn't in the F&A script and was actually planned for A4, but he felt that after Jake's scene with Spider there can only be one resoultion and Toruk simply is necessary for that. So he got all the actors back and re-shot it to include Toruk.
>>216800456I don't know what gay inane babble you are spouting son. Jerk off to blue alien girls or fuck off.
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>>216800956>I like the smell of this napalm fire, Colonel
>>216800858I love this character.I also like how all the teenager characters talk like real teenagers would
>>216800766>>216800971
>>216800885The explanation comes later where it serves multiple narrative purposes. You're complaining about one of the few not bad parts of the writing because "Y bad navi tho" and being mad days later you had to wait 20 minutes for the answer instead of Jake turning to the 4th wall and asking "but why male models"
>>216801009>Jake doesnt ride toruk until avatar 4cameron is an idiot
>>216800667I too wanted more Amp Suits, but I was also happy there were more Crab Mechs and they were kicking Na'vi ass
>>216801083Can you post only that cut out off Varang? I want her to look down at me before I go to town on her Varang, if you know what I mean.
>>216801095Miles Quaritch is just such an enjoyable character
The squids were cool.
>>216800898Spider should have died in this scene. Cameron could have gotten his shocking death scene leaving the audience in tears. Jake buries him in a shallow grave and the kids just think Spider is still at the human city. Then about an hour later, have Spider return as almost a full Na'vi. Eywa's mutation has healed his stab wound and continued to change his body so that he has a lot more control over animals similar to Kiri. Instead, Cameron kept doing fakeout deaths, which were super lame.
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>>216801176based kiri sumoning the deep ones
>>216801176From the human perspective, this is quite the horror movie.
>>216801095I really can't get past Lyle's dumbfounded expression in the background. Like "sir... fuck are we doing now?"It's not going to happen but I'd like for him, or maybe some of the other Phoenix recoms, to realize how inane some of their bosses are, together with how dumb the locals are, and fuck off into the woods somewhere, build a hut and live out their days hunting and gathering, or maybe even farming.
>>216800956>>216801083
Just got back from the theatre, watched it in 3D and everything. Gosh this bitch is so fucking hot i want to fuck her so fucking bad new waifu unlocked
>>216801266he definitely didn't sign up for this shit
>>216801230>instead of a fakeout death we should have a fakeout deathCinema is saved.
>>216801266
>>216800156Human settlement just 3d prints out another fleet in less than a day, no lasting consequences as usual
>>216801293I just think of what the hotdogs and burgers guy would say.
>>216801296He still dies. He's returns now at the turn of the tide. He was sent back by Eywa until his task is done. They used to call him Spider the White. Now, he is Spider the Blue.
>>216801095what if eywa is deliberately indoctrinating human agents with blue pussy?
>>216801271How hard would she cum watching the ship exhaust clearing the ground for Bridgehead?
You could make a gallery out of Lyle's "Wtf are you doing Quaritch?" faces
>>216801252It is a good thing all the people employed by the RDA are ontologically evil and in no way deserving of sympathy.
>>216800160HELL YEAH
>>216801159Can YOU recite from memory (or type all the words) in Quaritch's safety brief from the original?https://www.sporcle.com/games/Pilgab/you-are-on-pandora
>>216801330I find it really funny how eager na'vi girls are to fuck human guys. First Jake, then Norm and now Quaritch. She def knows how to lure them lol
>>216800514>it seems like Na'vi killing Na'vi is a fairly rare thing yet nobody questions this.That's not true. One of the whole things is that the Na'vi do fight each other and are only peaceful to their own. You do not come into their territory or they will kill you even if you're another Na'vi. Neytiri makes it clear many times, when two tribes go to war, Eywa does not take sides. They are on their own to fight each other. Jake had to go to all the tribes and unite them under one banner or else they wouldn't work together like that.
>>216801351he looks like default emotionless jack here
>>216801356Well, except the traitors of course
>>216800160
>>216801351>You're gonna get me killed, Colonel... again.
>>216800926he looks better with them on in my opinion.
can you explain to me what the power dynamic is that this guy was brushed aside when the rubber met the road
>>216801330there's probably something to this, the whole queue thing to me is like plugging your brain into the aywa matrix so she can rewrite your neurons and rape your brain into worshiping her and her planetto the na'vi it's second nature but jake only starts turning as a result of his constant queue use
I want to see Earth again.
>>216801435I want to see na'vi in an urban environment doing parkour and shit
>>216801330When god wants you to race mix, you race mix.
>>216801370how the fuck could they not hire another person with presence like Stephen Lang to play the General for two of Cameron's big movies? He was so good in the first one, leading from the front, but she was terrible for the next two just taking a backseat to everything
>>216801427>globo mega corp or prime alien pussyHard choice...
>>216801425The general was the top dog and final decision maker on Pandora. Parker was probably more trustworthy to the people back on Earth so they wanted him there in order to report to them what's going on.
>>216801435Cameron had the opportunity to do a kino moment with Jake being put on trial for his crimes and showing people on the streets of cyberpunk earth watching it (live, somehow). Let him give some hippie speech about humans ruining the earth o algo.
>>216801425I kinda dislike that they brought him back just as a joke. He already had that exact same character arc in the first movie, but in that one he had a change of heart and wanted to be nice at the end so Quaritch threatens to kill him. In this movie, nope he's more greedy and heartless than ever.
>>216801475>primeWe're not talking about Kiri here
>>216801501>(live, somehow)You are confusing Cameron with JJ Abrams. How embarrassing of you.
>>216801501jake's total disregard for earth is annoying- what makes him so special that he gets prime blue pussy and the rest of earth has to suffer, even if they potentially share his idealscameron will never explore this though
>>216801522He already breaka a bunch of rules of physics here and it would be worth it.
>>216801542Jake's life on Earth was shit and Earth is some sort of bladerunner shithole by what little of it has been mentioned so it's no wonder why he would rather stay in paradise and help the people of the pussy he is fucking
>>216801542the story of avatar is about how like 10 humans get a comfy life in their fantasy dreamscape because they were in the right place at the right time meanwhile 10 billion humans all choke to death in smog
>>216800335>critics are in Disney's pocketAvatar is a Disney franchise too. They don't own or have creative control over it, but the distribution rights alone are worth a lot when each of these are expected to gross billions. Disney wouldn't want them to have worse reception than anything else
>>216801575I'm just saying, he's not exactly a humanitarian, except when it comes to the na'vihe has showed no interest or concern with his own race whatsoeverand it's not like they're all chuds- he and grace and whoever else are proof of thatIn 1, when grace threatens selfridge to go public about what the RDA is doing, there is obviously the implication that not all humans are cold heartless bastards
>>216801542Cameron is too big of a pussy to acknowledge the moral problems of the scenario he came up with.Yes humans fucked up the Earth. But are the people alive right now at fault for what previous generations did? Billions of people are suffering while Jake gets to live on a paradise world with an ecosystem perfectly tailored to it's inhabitants.Correct me if I'm wrong but the RDA is extracting more than just immortality juice from Pandora. Earth relies on these resources. Are the billions living on Earth supposed to fucking DIE???
>>216801542He literally can't do anything about them. The humans stay? They destroy the planet. No other option. He can't tell the humans: ok, we'll give you a little bit.
>>216801275appearantly the actress is charlie chaplins granddaughter, and she also played the girl in game of thrones that robb stark eloped with leading to "the red wedding"
>>216801421RAPE GOGGLES ACTIVATE
>>216801624> He can't tell the humans: ok, we'll give you a little bit.why not? make a treaty, let humans extract what they need, set limits
>>216801641>I didn't get a (you) for posting it firstfeelsbadman
>>216800667> see this shot in the trailers > hell yeah at least we see a shoot out with animals for whales or something huge > nah it’s the retarded deleted scene of a scientist riding a mining car. Fuck you
>>216801658I shed a tear
>>216800160All the humans were killed.
>>216800858His face is fine, his hair is GODDAMN stupid, his voice is also very bad. His acting, is not impressive.
>>216801660No glorifying firearms. CHUD. Save the whales!
I hear the new avatar is really kicking off. I'm happy for you guys.
We need an R rated version of Avatar where Cameron can show giant canons turning Na'vi into paste
>>216801425the government had to take over and put the miliarty in charge after the RDA and their mercs were forced to leavepandora is too big to fail
>>216801405RAPE GOGGLES ACTIVATE (sorry)
>>216801723Actually it's flopping>$88M domestic openingHobbit numbers with well over double the cost to make
>>216800971He never betrays the human race.
>>216801622Jake isn't dealing with humanity as a whole, he's dealing with the RDA, who are cold-hearted, profit-obsessed bastards for the most part.All that aside, humans had an entire planet for themselves which they fucked up by being retards. They are the illegal immigrants here.
>>216801790>Jake has four toes>Neytiri has five toesAI IS SO SHIT! AHHHHH!!
>>216801248Spot the difference.
>>216800160>>216800926
>>216801748The Recoms were sorely under utilized
>>216801825Neytiri's hands morphing together when she's under the umbrella wasn't a bigger give-away?
>>216801790why are they so short
>>216801842RAPE GOGGLES ACTIVATE
>>216801425It doesn't make any sense. General Whatshername says "I'm not here to make money, I'm here to save the human race". Then this guy shows up and says "No, we're here to make money".
>>216801771>Heh, no human is illegal chud >Yeah Jake build that wall! Kill all humans with their little 5 fingered hands! Outgroup preference niggas be like
>>216800813>ChatGPT: The MovieGrim
>What are we doing, Colonel? What about our mission?
>>216801623>Are the billions living on Earth supposed to fucking DIE???Kiri, the chosen one, literally says kill them all.
>eywa is a literal unironic parasite that evolved to become self aware and influence brains and bodies, probably even uses the glowing dot shit on creatures to communicate with other bodies while not attached to an infected root/plant/tree whatever Reject false prophets, embrace fire pussy
>>216800035what are the gravitational implications of 2 enormous masses of rock a few thousand miles apart in the vacuum of space?
>>216801771All of sudden you don't love illegal immigrants anymore?
>>216801905You are putting words in my mouth. Don't like illegals on earth, don't like them in space.Go back to WH40k with the other retards.
>>216801929>oh nooooo! The parasite wants to make a perfect everlasting paradise for me and my family where we can ride dragons in perfect weather and shit! we don't even pay taxes! how horrible! burn it all down!
>>216801952Na'vi don't have immigration laws.
>>216801895Either Bridgehead is some kind of mixed RDA/government-backed military operation, or the general is also an RDA employee but different factions in the RDA have different priorities. This is not unheard of in big companies, matches my experience of working in one. But this only happens when the stakes are not super high - when they are people align real fucking quick. Which tells me humans are not dying in droves and colonizing Pandora is not a literal do-or-billions-perish for humanity, yet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j65ZFV2j8Y4
>>216801973I think that the arrows embedded in RDA skulls make their position quite clear.
>>216801980She says specifically that she has a higher purpose to colonize Pandora and make it the new home of humanity. She's not RDA. She's the Earth's military commander.
>>216801930yeah, aren't gas giants fart giga amounts of radiation? And the tide cycles would be catastrophic
>>216801895>I'm here to save the human race>Proceeds to Colonel Custer civilian commercial fishing vessels to their deaths over immortality goop
>>216801929Thank you, in other threads retards keep saying its a God or a supercomputer when it's a mycelium colony that has raped the entirety of Pandora and hooked into all life like a parasite in such a way that life evolves to interface with it or die.
>>216800908inshallah
>>216801983He better get started quick popping kids out of her. Not sure how much time he has left
>>216802015My guess is that Cameron saw the audience sympathizing with the whole "earth is dying" thing, so he retconned them back into being evil businessmen.
>>216801952>Don't put my words in my mouth
>>216802140Look, it's very simple. All the illegals can come HERE, but you can't go THERE. Sound good?
>>216801790
I wish he would put giant space jockey elephants on the other side of the planet.
>>216801623they could fix the environment but prefer to make the number go up
>>216800904He acts like his character is 10 years old. And the hissing and snarling is very annoying, it's like every 10 seconds.
>>216801969>It's noble to be entirely buffeted by fate and one injury or missed meal from death (assuming your demon god doesn't just decide your population needs to die for the greater gud) It isn't. Getting killed by those first movie tigers was what tree naavi had to look forward to between bouts of tribal genocide. And half the sea is owned by thos squid sharks. Being satisfied with that life also now is clearly shown to only happen by being lobotomized by a parasitic fungus.
>>216802230>yeah blud just fix the environment of the dystopic cyberpunk society>put some solar panels on that bitch
>>216802183>Why would you deride me for being mindfucked by an outgroup preference
>>216802319based!
>>216802015She's also horrible at her job. She tries to kill Spider, knowing he might be the only chance for humankind to live on pandora. Then when Quaritch turns a Navi tribe into human allies, she tells them to eat shit for no reason. Cameron making strong women look like dunces.
>>216802284By this logic it's not Manuel's fault he needs to come to the United States. It's his Mexican parent's fault for fucking up their country and he has no obligation to try to improve it.
>>216802417>>216802284I meant that more so in the sense the kind of change Earth needs in Avatar would mean a SHARP decline in population.
>>216801790>movie accurate Neytiri preggo porn is an eventualityThank Eywa
>>216801425>>216801427I like the tension you see the first and third movies where you understand that the RDA can't actually do much to control the military guys on Pandora because of the distance from Earth.
for me it was when Kiri said >get away from my mother you bitch!
>>216801230It's a scene where Spider has to pee and nothing happens. It's a "go pee" scene. It should have been cut entirely.
there is a shot of NeyNeys full breast in this, when she is getting bandaged up after getting the arrow in her shoulder. I clapped in the theater when I saw it.
>>216802015It's implied in the conversation between Parker and the General ultimately answers to RDA corporate, which implies she's employed by RDA. It makes sense that there would be multiple business factions, one that wants to focus on resource extraction and another that wants to sell colonization, and she might agree with the business vision of the latter.
>>216802613Cameron can only play one song.
>>216802534Humaniggers made their bed.Let them lie in it.
>>216801230The fakeout kidnappings got old too.
>>216802675can you do one of Spider and Kiri kissing?
>>216801486[a human] is the top dog and final decision maker on PandoraThree movies in and you have learned precisely nothing.
>>216802723Of RDA operations on Pandora*Is what I meant.
>>216801176>The squids were cool.I loved when they were out of the water using their tentacles to pull themselves around inside the ship to get people. High kino idea and great animation.
Varang would never hold your tiny pink crippled body sweetly in her arms and tells you she sees You. That's why Neytiri is the best.
The finale should have been at the RDA base after rescuing Jake. Cut the runtime by half an hour and shave off the redundant set pieces from 2 and the cringe montage of him reuniting the tribes again. Make Varaang almost die and give Quarritch a heroic moment saving her to set up for his obvious redemption arc. Have Kiri summon Toruk, this way you can still have your pog messiah moment while Toruk wreaks havoc on the base in epic fashion. Have the RDA sustain visible damage in a way that forces them into an uneasy alliance with the Ash clan in the next movie. Spider should have died a martyr while saving both Jake and Quarritch, forcing both parties into guilt while planting the seeds of the ultimate peace treaty between humans and Navi.
>>216801095>>216802319For a lot of people, it's the meme image. For me it's the shot right after that when her expression sways from startled astonishment (once the flames spew out) to complete bewitchment as she holds the trigger and continues hurling fire, which her amber eyes are wholly transfixed to. Lord, she's fucking hot.
>>216801973Na'vi immigration laws consists of: "the only good pinkskin is a dead pinkskin!"
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>>216802836she would squeeze your balls and peg you though..
This one was sloppier than the last one. You’re led to believe that all the wind people died but apparently according to Cameron only one ship was destroyed and Professor Lupin will have a larger role in the next one. Also with how long the final battle was you pretty much knew the epilogue was going to be short and unsatisfying. Cameron also brought back Parker out of nowhere. Which is fine it’s just weird he was completely absent in the last movie and randomly shows up now.Overall I’d say 2>3>1. It’s part of the avatar formula that all of them end in one big final battle.
>>216801623Yes. Yes they are. And if we get to that point in real life, we deserve it.
>>216802845Yeah I noticed that while watching. They could’ve ended the movie at escaping from the RDA base. But then it would’ve been very part 1y so that would only work if Avatar 4 came out literally next year.
>>216800651>connect headtail by force>spam NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER>causes average hippy navi immense pain
>Avatar 4Na'vi of the ice, eskimos and sami anologies, they kill alien seals and even though the others navis find it horrible they will say how it's part of their culture and social right.>Avatar 5Na'Vis will enter the space age and become like the humans they fought so badly.Pandora will be polluted, they will start colonizing another planet.And so the cycle starts again.Also Eywa will be proved to be a neuro-abomination that sent it's spores on earth and created the myth of God, Jesus, Zeus, Odin, Shiva, Quetzalcoatl and whatever else there is.
>>216802883Well sorry we didn't have a fucking planetary biocomputer guiding our biosphere and culture when we were discovering metal and fossil fuels
>>216802836Neytiri would never peg you while jerking you off with her tentacle braid. That's why Varang is the best.
Give me my cute blonde McKenna Grace navi
Do the humans get spanked again in this one? I just wanna see them win one for a change
>>216801649Lmfao the RDA has demonstrated multiple times that they have no limits. They were willing to hunt to extinction the whales just to harvest them faster even after learning they are sapient and not only the males but the women and children too. They want everything and they want it quick.
>>216802896Avatar 4 will be filling out the rest of Pandora with them traveling with the wind Navi again. Avatar 5 will be them traveling to Earth and that will top off the Sully saga.
K I N O
for me two scenes were absolute kino>the slow motion scenes with Quaritch and Varang with the weapons.the shot of Eywa you see from the side. Was very godly and cool.
>>216802854Neytiri loves kissing pinkskins
>>216802923nah, the whalers get messed up, the human city is fine.
>>216803004Is it? Kiri says "kill them all", and the whole planet goes after them.
>>216803022Eywa can't do anything to the human city or she would have already. The defenses can kill any attacking hordes of animals. The humans only have problems when they send out convoys and the animals attack out in the wild.
>>216803000Never ask a Na'vi supremacist the species of her mate.
>>216803022we don't see this in the movie at all.
>>216801330Eywa literally impregnated Grace without consent or notification
>>216803022there is a 2 mile strip of empty salted earth with AI controlled autocannons and flamethrower robots around the human city
So what's that round structure on the right for? It doesn't have a name or declared function. Apparently some people online believe that this could be where a space elevator might end up. What do you guys think?
>>216803022>Kiri says "krill them all">billions of shrimps starts eating them
>>216800845Well...the dike general died...so Quaritch is back in charge?
>>216803098Why was she even there in the first place?
>>216801905>immigration and chimping out is ok when I do it
>>216803061We don't see them attacking the city but "kill all humans" would include them too. They seem to think at the end that the war is over.
>>216801351No wait guys....he painted his skin white because white power
>>216803142Nah, you misunderstood.
>>216803142Not in the movie at all and you're head cannoning this hard.
>>216802255Instead, it's better to live in the globohomo pods eating basedworms and watching viral videos on your transparent phone whenever you get off of a 12 hour shift at the explosion factory.
>>216803165>>216803171It's right here >>216801248
>>216802997For me it was the scene of Jake and Neytiri arguing and Jake almost killing Spider
>>216803109She could no longer trust Quaritch as the ground commander. An investigation was pending for Quaritch, and she grounded him of further actions. Someone else had to take charge in the field.
>>216803085whats this manual called, I gotta read all that shit
>>216802997>>216803218When Quaritch pointed at that random Navi and said drop him. That was kino as fuck.
why do they care so much about saving the son of their mortal enemy?
>>216801623>paradise worldPandora is infamously an extremely dangerous place that warrants high hazard pay
>>216803252Forgot pic of this punk who is always getting everyone into trouble.
Eywa being a giantess in spirit world was a bad choice.
>>216803267When you fall asleep at a Diddy party and the blacklight gets turned on.
spider is such a bad actor
>>216803246It's pretty good
>>216801231Ok serious question, what could possibly explain Cameron's decision to so many identical events from A2 in A3?The only thing i could think of is that mantra from the whales that violence repeats in a spiral. We see many of the exact events from A2 occur in the exact same order. And the movie ends with a final battle in a literal spiral vortex! I just want Cameron to offer an explanation because I'm fine with it being like a metaphysical idea that "fate" occurred once again, like the cycle of violence is preordained causally once set in motion, and that repitition is expressed literally on screen.
>>216803252Didn't Jake refer to him as a pet in the last one? His wife was ready to slit his throat and then Jake tries to kill in this one, but it's okay because he forgives them right away. Doesn't forgive Quaritch though, who never tried to kill him.
>>216800222The Deadpool movie completely mogged the 3rd Avatar flick. Get real. Avatar is great for putting you to sleep.
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>>216803291Kiri having to "physically" run through the spirit forest to reach Ewya was ass.Her getting "physical" help from Spider and Tuk to do so was even worse.Is Cameron reaching unshackeled Lucas levels?
>>216800858I didn't really care, and at first i thought that the whole he can breathe the air was going to be dumb. But then they really did focus on it being a major plot element and I think he really grew on me like his lung fungus in this movie. I think his relationship with kiri is what's going to give humanity a chance at redemption.
Admit it. You teared up at the end when everyone accepted Spider.
>>216803353Spider larps as a na'vi and wants to fuck Kiri, it's obvious which side he will always pick
>>216803186>Avatar 1 is such an old movie the few minutes of dystopian earth footage is less globohomo'd and retarded than things became IRL It's also most like there is a middle ground between eating the bug and... eating the bug we should aspire for as a society. Cameron may bring the story there between quaritch finding naavi he likes and Jake's kids challenging naavi convention, enough named characters are at a point where they need society to improve slightly.
>>216803333>what could possibly explain Cameron's decision to so many identical events from A2 in A3?Disney cut the budget and he was forced to re-use setpieces and effects. That's the only thing I can think of.
>>216803333Had too much footage over from A2...
>>216803353Spider understands why Jake would need to kill him and that Jake doesn't actually want to. Because Spider's living endangers all Na'vi and the family Jake and Spider love. Quaritch is constantly trying to kill that family, so why would Spider care about Quaritch?
>>216803360saar
>>216803392>You aight, lil pinkskin!
>>216803392I was waiting for the post credits scene of quaritch getting plucked out of the air by varang the whole time they were doing the marvel movie loose end wrap-up ending, but in a moment of pure kinoplex that's apparently confirmed by the tie in videogame
>>216803470The black girl next to me said this when Neytiri was going on her rant.
>>216803267I enjoy the franchise but at this point everyone is just being stupid in various ways (Jake was never that bright in the first place, the everyman appeal), it's not limited to Spider:-Jake stupidly and inexplicably travels back to high camp via a very prominent caravan which he has to know will be spotted by humans, and of course it is. His dialogue suggests that he will "sneak in" but come the fuck on, it's a giant balloon caravan and they made no effort to hide.-Quaritch does the stupid villain thing of just holding the hero captive for a bit and not killing him right then and there and being done with it-Ardmore stupidly hazards the infinitely valuable biological development represented by Spider's body (clearly established). Her stupidity on this point is really inexplicable because per her own words from the last one, she knows that "earth is dying" and therefore the human imperative requires Spider as an in to get humans breathing on Pandora. The immediate security concerns are obvious but still.>>216803252christian messaging. The christian/jew stuff has been pretty consistent as comfortable/legible background myth (yeah, I said myth). Thou shalt not kill, except of course when a council can declare a Just War. Tulkun = Tikkun, a jewish concept meaning "to heal/repair the world". In this case, it means that they've finally realize that those Hyoomons have got to go.
>>216803387>Is Cameron reaching unshackeled Lucas levels?he is the key to everything
On topic of the true nature of Eywa, James Cameron has stated he thinks of Eywa as a giant computer, but not as an AI. That being said, he could be lying for a big reveal later.
>>216803541Maybe Eywa is Skynet
>>216803392It's always nice to go back. The first shot made me happy, the last scene was nice (but unspecific). I liked that Tsu'Tey and Eytukan were among the dead. The more meaningful/teary sequence (if you actually care about the films, as I do) was back in the second movie as the middle children assert themselves, take charge, and save the parents.
>>216803534I find it really weird that Cameron would make the General so stupid, considering his feelings on "strong" women.
>>216803387by avatar 6 he will ascend past coppola
>>216803411>>216803417Guys... Like 90% of these movie aren't even shot on film. These are CGI movies where each second of "footage" is a huge rendering expense. Even rendering a slightly different version of the same event would still be a rendering expense.
>>216803580>Maybe Eywa is Skynet
>Ardmore is introduced doing karate in her mech suit>never gets to go out melee fighting a pack of Na'vi savages or fighting Quaritch to the death
>>216803333>Ok serious question, what could possibly explain Cameron's decision to so many identical events from A2 in A3?I just watched an interview, Cameron says at one point Avatar 2 and 3 were one script. Then he told Disney it needed to be two movies and they didnt like that. He convinced them by saying you can make 2 more billion with another movie. Still they didnt like it. They likely cut the budget, thats why avatar 3 feels like filler.
>>216801542Jake is explicitly written to be a grunt with nothing to lose so he goes on a terrorist campaign, much like Luke in the original Star Wars. The early scenes in the first film (the extended cut) establish Jake's general disgust with Earth, and his desire to have something worth fighting for. We never hear anything about his parents or other family back home, and his twin brother is conveniently killed off is there any chance of Tom Sully being reincarnated?, thus giving him his ticket to Pandora. So he's written to have little/no remaining attachment to earth, and then he falls in love with both Neytiri and Pandora at a time in life when it makes sense. Basically just a longer version of what this guy >>216801575 already said.
>>216803737he has a great deal of deleted scenes that he is considering adding back in a future "expanded edition" for both films.
>>216803854Based. I'd watch a 6 hour cut of both films.
>>216803827The deleted scene where he goes on the dream hunt also has him basically saying he doesn't give a shit if he lives or dies at that point
>>216803854He should add back the scene where Norm fucks Trudy
If the afterlife is confirmed and you can go see your dead relatives/friends by just linking up with the great tree bitch. Why are they scared to die? The last scene shows everyone partying in heaven
>>216803647I re-watched Aliens a few months ago and had a few exchanges here with others. One anon specifically and convincingly pointed out the individual errors/stupidity of the women in Aliens (Dietrich, Ferro, Vazquez, Ripley). I found the defense of Gorman to be unreasonable, but the tactical points made about the above were clear.Ripley can be excused for panicking when the queen approaches the elevator shaft (I certainly would), but all the same, Ripley does mash buttons and seems to summon two elevators. If she'd only pushed the one button, then the queen might not have caught the catch-up ride in time. When Dietrich gets grabbed, she throws friendly fire on Frost, the first casaulty. Vasquez improperly opens fire with the high-penetration ammo, Ferro just hung out, etc.
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>>216803911would you feel the same about the AI simulacrum of grandma you can visit in VRchat?
>>216803930Too soon...
>>216803085>where a space elevator might end upAlita crossover when?
>>216803827>>216803895They cut that because your white savior being a suicidal nhillist looking to die for a cause raises some pretty big questions of motivation that reflect negatively on the cause. Especially when you know they're going to not win because you want to make more movies.
>>216803333>Ok serious question, what could possibly explain Cameron's decision to so many identical events from A2 in A3?He knows people want the familiar. I think he aimed too hard at the familiar though. These franchises are being milked. This was a part 2 cut into two movies. Aliens copies Alien very closely. T2 copies part 1 very closely. This is what Cameron does. It's worked for him before. Avatar 2 and 3 is essentially just 1 movie to him. Cameron has never made a part 3 to a film before. Thing is, to audiences this was a part 3. So he essentially failed.
>Rated PG-13
>>216804109>raises some pretty big questions of motivation that reflect negatively on the causeExcept that instead of something stupid which has nothing really worth liking about it except vague notions of order and humility in a desert culture (islam), the first movie convincingly shows a beautiful natural world that is very easy to fall in love with. Interestingly, Luke Skywalker escapes from a desert planet and ends up on a forest planet. "No Arab loves the desert. We love water and green trees." -Prince Feisal, Lawrence of ArabiaThis obviates your first criticism. On the other hand, one can also raise the frequent and reasonable criticism that the Na'vi are just drones trapped under the thrall of Eywa/Yahweh and can't advance toward anything else.In the first film, the early deleted stuff also points toward Jake's boyish desire to pass tests, which is played out throughout the film's various rites of passage as he attains manhood. But the original theatrical cold open into the new world and then the essential rites get the same point across.
The one thing that I was expecting to happen in this movie that didn’t was Kiri being confirmed as Navi Jesus and essentially Eywa’s “human” form. Obviously the seizures are her short circuiting because she’s basically trying to talk to herself. This movie opened the door but she hasn’t completely mastered her nature controlling abilities yet. I guess Cameron is saving all that stuff for the next 2 movies where Kiri is the narrator.
>>216803761There is a small line in this movie about her prioritiesis building the city, and last movie all she did was show the city.I think the plot has a subtle showcase that she is nothing but some fill in while the execs and the real head huncho waited for Quaritch to come back. The breifing she did without Quaritch and the golfing dude, and she totally fucked it all up and literally died.Bravo Cameron! Women officers do SUCK
>>216804477>willfully missing the point made because arguing is impossible Jake with his human knowledge knows if the humans come back he's doomed the people he's "protected" and then exactly that happens because it was a multi movie deal from the start. Being jaded and fatalistic it makes him appear uncaring and selfish in retrospect which is why it was cut. Motivated not by love of muh pandora but hatred of humanity. Theatrical has the barest shred of wiggle room that he just didn't know 2+2=4 when sending the initial expedition back to it's "dieing world"
>>216804099Checked and I've wondered how much cross-pollination there was between the projects myself. The glimpses of Earth we get in Avatar look a lot more like the cyberpunk hellhole the manga is set in than what the Alita movie portrayed.
>>216803810Disney was right, this didn't need to be 2 movies. There's so much repetition.
I've been thinking about it and the reason they can't just clone miles again is because they have to grow the na'vi embryo on the way to pandora. They'd have to wait another 14 years to bring him back again.
>>216804567You're attaching to Jake a hyper-rational approach, and that isn't how the movies work. The character can think one or two steps ahead, and that's about it. The movies are primarily meant to appeal to emotion, although the latest one clearly has the sloppiest story logic. Jake himself is originally set up as a dumb grunt who latches onto a cause, but he does so out of a very youthful, naive love (again, the emotion stuff to pull the women in, as in Titanic).You are correctly distinguishing the possible readings of the original movie based on whether the extended stuff is cut or left in. But even here, your central observations in this post are false. He's a dumb guy who falls in love with the place (he grows out of nihilism, he was never really nihilistic in the first place, just directionless, and learns to care for something, to pick a side) and that's the point in the first one. The consequences are playing out now. Your short, central claim is the most false here, in the first movie. Jake does not primarily hate humanity, or else he wouldn't be a hero at all, bridging the two worlds. The whole point of the first movie is that he (and, it is hoped, the audience) falls in love with Pandora/Neytiri. While he is imprisoned in his orange jumper in the last one, Jake slightly reminds the audience of this initial image.
>>216804897What if there's already an army of Quaritch clones ready to be deployed on course to Pandora? Think about it, it takes a lot of time to send shit to Pandora and to grow the avatars, it would only make sense to produce them in mass and send them because they know damn well they would need replacements anyway
>>216804917>bridging the two worldsIt's interesting that Quaritch is the only one to actually succeed at that. Maybe he's the hero.
I hope in the next one Quaritch stages another military coup in bridgehead using his reputation as a hero, declares independence from earth and creates an army of clones using his memory backup data.
we need more villian couples. I mean actual couples that are ride or die I hate when one betrays the other looking at you anck-su-namun.
>>216802230heh
Plotfags should eat a bullet. You get lost in the world and the beautiful directing or go watch the latest indie aat your local theatre. My only complaint is the dialogue.
>Avatar: Fire and Ashe>open it up>Way of Water Part 2I enjoyed Neytiri nipple and ass on the new red Cameron cutie. The subtle squish on the navii tits banded tight at times is exquisite. That's about it. Felt like a saturday morning cartoon type of movie.
>>216803930Hehe he's touching her pen0r
Im sad bros, it wasn't good.
what's the dialogue like after they accept Spider into their group?>whelp, yeah... like we said bro... uh... welcome, and stuff... well we gotta get back to being dead and stuff, so we'll see ya around.
>>216805924>BRO HAVE SEX WITH MY DAUGHTER BRO!
>>216805924I got congratulations vibes from this scene
>>216805924Now we will all watch you mate with Kiri
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>>216806068but first... we all take turns having sex with you... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcuSHwdmxM0
>>216803085The first Avatar was probably the main inspiration for Xenoblade X, so it's funny that the sequels returned the favor and added sized-up NLA.
>>216803737The rendering isn't what's expensive idiot, creating the assets is. If you don't have to make hundreds of new animals and vehicles, the movie becomes infinitely cheaper. The rendering you just leave on overnight to complete by itself.
>>216803383Is that Tuk's actress? Holy sexo
>>216805983The planet being alive and manipulating all life on it to co-survive together (but most importantly, for it to survive) is fucking creepy and I've lost all hope that the actual villain will be killing this alien force whose infiltrated all antive life more than any human ever could. It's a biological invasion on the cellular level. Serious freaky EVA shit. Burn it all with fire. Look to the future, not Simulacra of the past. I will suck Cameron's cock if he actually pulls the trigger on killing that thing.
>>216806303I was thinking in the theater he only way the Navi can look so much like humans would be if Eywa was somehow shown primitive humans by some tertiary spacefaring race and she decided to take indigenous Pandora lifeforms and engineer them into something similar looking but perfected to her own liking
