>mfw he was right
>>216918918Arthur leigh allen is truly the midwits pick for the zodiacs identity
>>216918954Oh? Who's a better suspect?
>>216919058marvin margolis
>>216919117>No forensic support>No official suspicion>No behavioral match>No geographic anchor>No communication link
>>216918954Multiple people are the zodiac
>>216919177it's literally solved
>>216919058Sounds cringe but the enlightened perspective is that the zodiac is likely not on the short list or even identified as a suspect. Arthur leigh allen can be eliminated as a suspect solely off of his size. Allen was 6’2 and over 250lbs. The zodiac was seen by multiple people and nobody had him anywhere near that size. Somebody would have mentioned he was a big guy if it was allen. In addition to that, he doesnt match the fingerprints from the paul stine murders. Also, allen was a bonafide pedophile, yet the zodiac victims were something like 17-early 20s. Thats not the victim pool of a pedo like allen.
>>216919310>17>not a pedo
>>216919058literally anyone considering ALA is the one person absolutely exonerated by dna testing. he was a creep and he loved the attention but he was not the zodiac.
>>216919360he also said he's not the zodiac, you can see him saying it right there in op's image
>>216918918The crimes attributed to the Zodiac weren't all committed be the same person. The guy who wrote the newspapers with the ciphers and who coined the name was clearly obsessed with making a name for himself and almost certainly took credit for a bunch of shit he didn't actually do. That's why none of the evidence can really pinpoint a single suspect. Leigh Allen may have committed some of the murders but he was clearly not the guy who sent the letters. Once you understand that it's easier to put together a working theory.
The encrypted letters weren’t sent by the real zodiac.
>>216919460The Zodiac was mass hysteria. They did it to themselves so stop blaming me.
>>216919460You dont know what youre talking about. Part of paul stines bloody shirt was in one of the letters. The zodiac also wrote on the car door by the lake berryessa murders. The letter writer is obviously involved and not some random. One or more of the murders being a copycat is possible though.
>>216919310>omebody would have mentioned he was a big guy perhaps he wasn't for the people who saw him
>>21691946023&me will legitimately track down the guy who wrote the letters eventually. I don't know if commercial DNA databases were a deliberate fed operation or not but it's clearly one of the best law enforcement brakthroughs they've had in a long time.
>>216919460I believe this theory. I’ve personally perpetuated and even built upon the legacies of several shitposters/schizophrenics on /vg/. I’m not unique. There’s an entire discord server dedicated to Lee posting. If we do stupid shit like this for attention it stands to reason our forefathers did too.
>>216919602Well the dna fad already peaked so those lazy fucks need to hurry up
>>216919561I should have been more clear. The letter writer absolutely committed at least a few of the murders, he was not some rando.
>>216919497He sent fabric that was torn off the shirt of one of his victims in one of the letters to verfiy it was him sending them dipshit
>>216919642well the letter writer most certainly killed the taxi driver, but you are correct in claiming it was always suspected it wasnt a zodiac murder from jump
>>216919636>Well the dna fad already peakedIdk we just found out at Christmas that one of my cousins is illegitimate and not related to us so people are clearly still doing it.
>>216919570exactly for some he was a big guy, for others he was small
>>216918918>The Zodiac>Jack the RipperWhy did these guys stop while all the other serial killers kept going until they got caught?
>>216919769For you
>>216919798east area rapist, green river killer, btk all stopped for long periods of time. Them never stopping is a myth. A oot of guys stopped when they realized DNA was solving crimes in the 90s.
>>216919798a combination of cockiness and retardation. especially back in those times, killing a couple people and getting away with it was much more possible.
>>216919310>Somebody would have mentioned he was a big guyfor you
>>216919680Proof? Please cite someone who isn’t a true crime author/podcaster.
op is referring to this https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2025-12-23/black-dahlia-zodiac-killings-connected-one-killer-theory
>>216919460I feel this way about Jack the Ripper. Only two of the White Chapel murders at the very most could be tied to one killer.
Alright anons, strictly as a thought experiment: how would you get away with murder in the current year? Easy mode: can be any random personHard mode: has to be a specific person
>>216919913Nigga are you retarded? I dont think there is a single retelling of the zodiac case that doesnt metion that part of the bloody paul stine shirt was in one of the letters.>>216919955Very difficult to do nowadays with ring cameras, traffi cameras, and cctv. Doing it in the suburbs is completely impossible to get away with if the police are willing to put in the time.
>handwriting match >voice match >looks match and much much more like I bet Graysmith was literally friends with this dude
>>216919955Murder is wrong, anon.
>>216919955Just kill them where you find them and set their body/the location on fire to destroy DNA evidence. Also cover your face and wear gloves, and leave your phone at home. Ideally don't drive either. Set fire to your clothes and anything else used to carry out the crime at a later time.
>>216919955wear two fake fingers and commit murder on camera. Court will dismiss the video as AI fake because you had 7 fingers in one hand
>>216920022who dat
>>216919310> Somebody would have mentioned he was a big guygetting caught wasn’t part of his plan
>>216920181Richard Gaikowski. The first murder was down the road from his house and the cab driver was shot outside of his office.
>>216919955Not possible >>216920020 until you live in some third world country
>>216919955The tranny who shot charlie kirk might have gotten away with it if he had bothered to wear a mask
>>216920383They had his DNA, and the shell casings, and the weapon, and video evidence. He was going to get caught one way or the other, him being a sperg who barely did anything to hide his identity just made it way easier to catch him.
>>216920302no buffer zone?
>>216919058I don't know, and if I did I wouldn't tell you.
>>216920431>They had his DNADoesn't matter if they don't have they don't have a record of his DNA
>>216920593Genaeology is a thing, retard. Its how theyve been solving a lot of cold cases. East area rapist most famously. I can assure you if a reliable source of dna for the zodiac existed, there would be a lot of work being done to find a second or third cousin.
it was an esoteric Satanic ritual by 12 Freemasons
>>216919058(You)
>>216920461you want the tomography?
>>216920930oh, of course
>>216921626https://skirret.com/archive/dormer/freemasonry_and_the_zodiac_1.html
>>216919955Easy. Make sure you already have no prior criminal history when you do this: drive in a car that you aren't normally seen in at night, and visit the run-down, seedy area of a town or city that's a good distance away from where you live. Target a woman, namely one that is a sex worker, homeless, or a drug addict. Kill her via gun and leave her body behind, or kill her via gun and take her body with you before slowly making your way back home. If you care to, pick up any empty casings you left, and obviously wear gloves. Odds are overwhelmingly likely you will NEVER get caught simply because you've never killed anyone before, and the local police won't quite know how to pin you down if you're a "one and done" type of murderer.
>>216921761Whatever car you take can be traced from the scene of the crime back wherever you drove it from via traffic cameras. Also where are you getting this car? If its connected to you in any way, thats a problem. If you steal it, thats another problem and adds complexity.
>>216922064>> He doesn't have a murder car with fake license plates and tinted windows on standby at all timesSkill issue, chiefIf ya know, ya know
>>216919955People go missing from hiking trails all the time
>>216920022This is interesting he looks like the witness sketch as well
>>216920022
>>216918918zodiac was cia
>>216923888What exactly was the point of murdering random nobodies?
>>216924097Stop asking questions when anon is NOOOTICING
>>216923888The underground newspaper where Richard Gaikowski worked was infiltrated by undercover FBI agents
>>216919955Trick gypsies then kill them. No one will care what happens to them.>b-but the other gypsies willLow IQ jeets won't catch you, lmao
>>216924626>Trick gypsies then kill themCan you trick those retards into killing each other?
>>216918918It was him, fingerprints don't match because he never left any>muh handwritingBoomer's analysis was wrong, he just so happened to be very talented at writing that way.
>>216919953yup
>>216919913it is in the fucking movie goddamn retard
>>216919233Objectively I believe this was the case. They weren't working in concert and likely never even met, but I think multiple murderers were attributed to being the Zodiac under the false pretense they were one single killer.
>>216919058Who was the guy who published the letter to his father? Whoever he said it was.
>>216925584this desu, especially after seeing how literal hudnreds of people confessed to being the black dhalia killer, or other criminals. people are insane and stupid
>>216919955what chris watts did but go with the volcano plan
>>216925827Would it help if you filled your google history with stuff like "how to save someone's life", "how to stop someone dying", "how far to the nearest hospital" etc? Because why would a murderer search those things, right?
What do you serial killer fanatics think of Mindhunter?
>>216919955Personally, I don't know. I'd consult someone like JF Gariepy.
>>216926643Good first season, but the second is really bad, and it was cancelled so it's really not even worth watching at all.
>>216926871are the canadian police retarded or is he a mastermind
>>216926913JF has a very high IQ. Maybe one of the greatest minds of our time.
>>216926643the interviews are pure kino, everything else is boring as fuck filler
>>216919798They likely died at the hand of another conspirator. Serial killers KNOW each other, they used to communicate through coded messages in back pages, send each other letters and make sure to not prowl each other's turfs. Zodias was likely a conglomerate of affiliates.
>>216921761That and killing someone you dont know makes it hard to get caught
>>216919955None of the fun ways. You have to be incredibly impersonal, and moving the person creates a new crime scene every time, providing more evidence and opening up new charges. I imagine in the third world there are many serial killers, but in the first world they usually get caught before they can get numbers or they go spree for attention, since that's the new "celeb killer".
>>216920461Most first kills for a serial are opportunistic, but because no modus has been established they usually go unnoticed until later.
>>216924845Handwriting is a meme, I could probably do three different styles for each letter right now without much effort.
>>216919955>easy modea rudimentary firearm is easy as fuck to make with 3d printing, then it's just doing a drive by to a random nobody while leaving your phone at home watching youtube>hard modeassuming you have a target and no criminal history, similar method. speed blitz their home at night using either an illegal firearm and mag dump their bodies. get away has to be by foot to a person in waiting's car without cctv picking you up. intel is 99% of getting away with a crime. it's shockingly more common than you think and most idiots get caught because they're retards with a rap sheet longer than your mom's saggy asscheeks.then like another anon said dump your clothes, weapons, and evidence into the flames
>>216919798it's a phase
>>216927260i feel like i don't need to add this, but don't kill people. especially ones you're in close contact with
>>216927320Yeah, BTK fits in with that too. They wanted the notoriety just as much if not more than they enjoyed killing. Guys like Ted Bundy and Jeffrey Dahmer had a compulsion/addiction to it and never would’ve been able to stop for long.
>>216927377Jeffrey Dahmer will always be the most interesting, because deep down his human side didn't want to kill. He had to get wasted and blast metal music, hype himself up. He talked about how not killing would cause him physical pain. Truly abnormal, even in the Serial Killer world.
>>216919726>Idk we just found out at Christmas that one of my cousins is illegitimate and not related to us so people are clearly still doing it.Then, he's not your cousin.
>>216926643FAGMOUNT
>>216919310Good point. People almost always remember those bigger than them and the true killer would not have been able to easily hide his size/height at least at Berryessa.
>>216919460I’ve read your work on the Zodiac Reddit and I agree with your conclusions.
>>216918918>I am not the Zodiac. And if I were, I certainly wouldn't tell you.WHY LEAVE IT OUT
>>216919460Copycat murderers wanted a piece of the notoriety. Conan/Hader are already famous + wanted in on the thrill of the action.
>>216919058Paul Avery
>>216919058There isn't one. There's only one suspect who had any provable link to Darlene Ferrin, who had to have known her killer because her family received the standard prank phone calls before police notification of her death. Morever, Michael Mageau identified Allen from a mugshot.
Yeah guess so
>>216919241Post the best YouTube video that proves that it’s solved
>>216927079Nice fanfic, retard. This is how you bait schizos into obsessing over threads like this looking for clues that aren’t there and never were.
>>216927324I watch so many interrogations on YouTube, it’s really incredible how often killers are just the person that the victim has open animosity with.
>>216927917How do I find his posts
>>216928015Sad ass zoomer needs everything in a youtube video.
>>216928258Yea you don’t seem to want to make a post about it
>>216928307I'm not the anon you were responding to. I just thought the need for a youtube video to explain it was a sad reflection of how braindead the youth are.
>>216928348Fair enough
>>216928348The anon claiming that it was 'literally solved' is even more brain dead after looking into his claim.
>>216919955>Alright anons, strictly as a thought experiment: how would you get away with murder in the current year?work for Donald Trump
>>216919058Jolly West and the CIA
>>216919058Copycat murders makes the most sense
>>216923592Shit, that does look a lot like him, why was he not a suspect?
>>216927320Like that guy in long Island who was recently caught because of his DNA or something found on a pizza box.
>>216928000>Morever, Michael Mageau identified Allen from a mugshotYeah, 20 years later.
>>216920593DNA tells them>ethnicity>eye color>natural hair colorWhich is a big fucking deal
>>216918918
>>216920461Just physical proximity to where the murders happened
>>216927079>r, they used to communicate through coded messages in back pagestell me more, never heard of this
>>216919570I was wondering why someone would shoot a man before dragging him out of a car. At least he could've talked about it in his letters. Who was he?
