>Beratnas, rise up now, in joy and glorious resolve. This day is ours. Tomorrow is ours. The future of humanity is ours. Today and forevermore... we are free.
He never quite pulled this role off, did he. But he got close.
>>216933964Who would have pulled it off better?
bump
>>216934093Mr Hickey.I think acting troops should still exist on television where you see the same people play different roles across shows. people can come and go but the group and the vibe should remain.
>>216933940cringe show
>>216935969
>>216935969It doesn't pull off the tone it's supposed to be going for, but otherwise it's fun.
>>216936142Weakest part of the later seasons honestly. Sad they ended it on this.
>>216933940
>>216936214>we missed out on Duarte and Laconia kino because an iranian leaf couldn't not be a sexpestI'm glad we got 6 books at least.
For me the show died with the fedora flipper detective.
>>216933940FUCK OFF. SPACE ALL BELTERS! SOL WAR NOW!!1
>>216934878Mr. Hickey would have been terrible since Marco kills Dawes
>>216933964I think Marco did a good job. I think show-only watchers just didn't get what that story arc was about. It's more fleshed out in the books and makes a lot of sense. The ones who dropped the ball was Filip and Naomi. They want you to sympathize with Filip and care about what's going on with him, but cast a terrible choice. Then gave him a ton of scenes that just made you hate this little prick rather than see the internal conflict he's going through.
>>216937540>I think show-only watchers just didn't get what that story arc was about.The arc is that Marco is an egotistical and incompetent retard who has no fucking idea what he's doing.
>>216938253Not at all. But expected that you'd state such idiocy with high confidence. Very typical.
>>216938398He kills half the population of Earth with no concrete plans for what the surviving half will do in retaliation, and there's an entire subplot in book six about how unsustainable his actions are and how his retardation costs him support among the Belt and even his inner circle.Dawes tells him they need to start doing a better job of actually defending and supporting Belters, and abandons the cause when Marco starts openly looting Ceres and other belter stations and leaving Belters to die or become refugees because he doesn't have a better plan for maintaining supplies. He ends up changing sides and supporting Fred Johnson and Holden. Michio Pa bails on Marco for basically all the same reasons.Sanjriani spends the whole book telling him that they need to put resources and manpower behind building up their economic and agricultural infrastructure because with Earth's ecosystem and industry fucked by the attack there's a severe food and part shortage throughout the system that's impacting the Belt along with everyone else. Marco constantly dismisses him because dealing with boring agro/econ shit takes time away from his fucking Free Navy LARP, and so Sanjriani bails.Filip is prepared to kill and die for his father, but after constantly being blamed for everything that goes wrong and seeing Marco take credit for everything Filip does he realizes what a hopeless egotistical prick his dad is and bails too.Marco, in the context of the Expanse universe, is history's biggest fuckup.
>>216933940He was hot.
>>216939213
>Start spinning me right fucking now!
>>216940353zero g helicopter sex
>>216933940I had so much for the hope when the Amazon took over but at the end ScyFy seasons were the best.
>>216936469I would say peak of the show was the tsunami on Ilushttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JEX_bGQqSlA
>>216940585The middle three books are just fundamentally different. The mystery of the protomolecule and ring is gone. Now they analyze how it changes humanity as everyone rushes to get to the new worlds while others rush to resist change. I think they did pretty good with what they were given. It's a pretty expensive series. It will likely only be finished in game form because of that.
>>216940713This. The whole run up to the end of Book 3 is about the different nations working together to get out of the slow zone and unlocking the ring network and it feels like the next 'arc' of the series is going to be about humanity exploring places it maybe should be leaving alone and running into crazy alien shit they're not ready for... which is kind of what you get hints at in Book 4, but it gets bogged down with lots of stupid political and criminal subplots and then we spend a solid two books dealing with Fago Inaros and his whiny shit before the superior Laconia arc comes up in Book 7. It just feels like the whole overarching plot comes to a grinding halt in those middle three books.
>>216940516You can't get hard in zero g
>>216933940>become an older Belter who's lived through and seen enough shit to learn the right lessons so you understand just how WRONG you wereGreat irony is Ashford was perfectly aware younger Belters wouldn't get it. They respected him for past heroics rather than his wisdom.
>>216941971klaes ashford is that nigga
>>216941971his entire situation is just sad. even someone like drummer didn't really understand his point.
>>216941900why wouldnt you be able to? should be even easier with no gravity
>>216933940Get the gas.
>>216941971I wish he went out in a better way. He had Marco in his crosshairs. But gave up since Filip was there
>>216941900maybe YOU can't
>Blood is on the wall, Beratnas!
>Release the files that are on the Epstein drive!
>>216944813>Have you ever talked to a pedophile? You try to ask them stuff and they're not going to just talk about raping little kids. But, if you show them pictures of kids, then, they'll go on and on and on.
>>216933940Gas belters. Murtry did nothing wrong.>>216934093An actor.
>>216935969True. Stars of decent, the Martians marines start the cringe and then it becomes “in space, all you can hear is a family of shitskins screaming”
>>216936454That had nothing to do with it though
Gotta talk about that ride, kid. Next clue to the case.
>>216939115Plebbitor rekt.
>>216945584
>>216945595Most of that was unscripted. She just wanted Tom that much
>>216942150How can one sidecharacter have so much SOVL
>>216944986This was the stupidest shit in the entire show.
>>216946094Hitting a little too close to home, pedo?
>>216939115I thought the whole point of Marco was that he was a dumb puppet of Admiral Duarte.
This show is on a GoT/10 scale of how bad it got at the end, the last "season" was absolutely pathetic
>>216946260Not anywhere close. This story is actually finished and is 80% amazing. Game of thrones first half was 50% good, last half was 5% good. Can't even compare the two.
>>216940585>The richest guy in the world is your fan and buys your show>It get's worseHow?
>>216942166He had 2 options1) kill marco, turn him into a martyr and strenghten the will and conviction of philip, his heir2) let himself be executed but record the whole thing because he knew that his allies would find his body and get dirt against marco that would turn moderate belters against him. In other words, he took a bullet for the team and it paid off
>>216946372I mean, finished in the sense series stopped just before the time skip. It's a natural break.
>>216942076Blood couldn't pool in your dick, nasa tried it. All babies in space will be made via artificial insemination and you'll need to finger your prostate just to get some cum
>>216933940This is the rebuilding of the belt, isn't it? I re-belt.
>>216946484clarissa was the better mao sister
>>216946458>1) kill marco, turn him into a martyr and strenghten the will and conviction of philip, his heirHe just fought desperately into the ship, getting all his friends killed in the process to do just that. They and he died for nothing. Filip would have done whatever regardless. But maybe he'd have listened to others like his mom and not his stupid father if Marco was dead. The movement likely would have fallen apart to infighting
>>216933940The writing just fell off a cliff once it got picked up again. I suspect female writers are to blame. They're probably in here now.
>>216937540Tbf even in the books I didn't give a shit about Filip. And Holden deactivating the torpedos that would've killed him and ended the war early made me hate his character too.
>>216938398no that guys right, the books made it kind of clear he was a retard who didn't have any long-term plans and was just larping as a "just as planned" mastermind and was mostly just one of Duarte's pawns
>>216946945hilarious how this guy was the best cast of the main crew and also the one that got cancelled and had to be unnaturally killed off
>>216946945Is that sex pest?
>>216946979>boobs vageeneHe literally became the meme.
>>216933964>>216933940This guy was an asshole with zero redeeming qualities of his personality. It doesn't matter if his cause had merit or not he was an unlikeable prick and and glad he got derezzed.
Rewatching this makes you realise just how fucking annoying the Belters are, especially in the Illus part.
>>216933940>Oh no-
>>216948987The Expanse series had the best aliens. Also the most refreshing scifi setting in decades
>>216946651>The movement likely would have fallen apart to infightingThis. He was using the carrot and stick on his fellow Belters, and the stick was getting spaced. The carrot was simply killing Inners, which doesn't actually do them any good besides make them feel morally superior. They're not gonna unite over moral superiority when the UN sends battleships to railgun all their colonies into vacuum-exposed scrap. They're gonna scurry away like cockroaches. If Belters were willing to die for moral superiority, they'd already have been extinct.Not to mention if he had died there, the whole protomolecule-for-Martian-tech plot would've collapsed so they'd have had no means to fight the Inners at all, even if they wanted to.>>216948951Belters are just niggers. They act the exact same way, thinking they are entitled to everything in their sight and chimping out when they find out they're not. For some reason they think they deserve free water and air despite living in space where there is no water and air. They just expect Inners to deliver it to them for free. It's not the Inners' fault their ancestors decided to go live in a vacuum where nothing can survive outside of an artificial environment. The Inners should have buck-broken them all and S6's ending was a fucking travesty. Holden traded his entire political capital as basically the hero of humanity to rent a position the Belters would a) almost certainly abuse due to eternal resentment, and b) lose immediately when the Inners decide Holden's juice is no longer worth the squeeze.
The mad scientist from the ring station did nothing wrong.
>>216949695Eh, Holden was tired of the fighting and war. It seemed the only way for everyone to finally make peace and feel like they had an equal say in the future instead of still being "beneath" Earth still following their orders. And it works for three decades. The Belters manage the rings keeping the traffic flowing through to 1300 systems and humans expand out to those new worlds. Everyone helps clean up the mess on Earth. War is over for a long while.
>>216948951>>216949695The show really made them a lot more obnoxious desu. In the books they can be a bit annoying but it's not so bad, and Naomi in particular isn't constantly whining about muh Belter cause like she is in the show. That said in both book and show basically every Belter character aside from the Asian guy looking for his daughter is a terrorist, associated with terrorists, or a former terrorist kek.
>>216933940Just like their inspiration, Belters are truly the most insufferable and worthless people there is.
>>216936346>TP OPA KEK
>>216949695>>216949857>>Naiomi bitches the belters should get the protomolecule, goes against the wishes of everyone else to give it to Fred>Fred doesn't do shit with it because he's from Earth and not retarded>Belters kill Fred to get hold of it and immediately use it as justification to not get shit back at them from throwing rocks at Earth and Mars>Belters fuck up anyway regardless because they're Belters
>>216934093Jared Harris but they had already used him in another role.
>>216949956yeah that's what I mean none of this happens in the books>Protomolecule to Fredin the books it's something they all agree to give to him since he's been helpful and trusting thusfar. In the show they make it so Naomi just does it behind their backs.
>>216946182Exactly, he was a useful idiot who was nothing like as bright as he thought he was.
>belters are supposed to be tall and spindly from growing up in microgravity>never speak of this again after the first seasonreally activates the almonds
>>216950012Jared Harris would have been horrible. Literally the whole point of Marco is he's supposed to be overly pretty and charismatic so you want to like him and think he's nicer than he turns out to be. Still the masses will fall to his emotional speeches and gravitas. It's why Naomi was swayed by him and had a kid with him. Jared is older and couldn't pull off any of that.
>>216950056kek I remember the Amos vs Miller scene when Amos is towering over him when it's supposed to be the reverse. granted I guess it wouldn't be easy to find a cast of entirely 7 foot actors.
>>216950056>>216950084I just REALLY hate that even in game adaptations they will only ever use the show depiction of belters now. If Belters looked like they were described, the audience would be more understanding of their plight and attitude
>>216946372he's right, the last season was awful
>>216949853Still kinda sad we don't get to see Laconia come in and genocide the spacenigs in a matter of hours.
>>216950154Why? They'd still be niggers just spindly ones.
was there a better cast character than this?
>>216950084There is no freakishly tall actor's lobby like there is for people with dwarfism?
>>216950056sounds good, now film itno we won't approve a $3m/ep prop prostethics and cg budget
>>216950208No, only an imbecile like you thinks they're all black. Miller's a fucking Belter, idiot.
>>216950218casting a bunch of people with marfans would be pretty cool but I don't think there's enough trying to be actors
>>216950266I didn't say they were all black, I said they're all niggers.
>>216950291miller and the asian nigga looking for his daughter were alright
>>216950301Yes, but that's two out of however many of the vermin there are.
>>216950218The NBA.
There's a game coming out soon based on this franchise. Do I need to watch this before playing?
>>216950222I don't give a shit about their production budget. Nobody forced them to introduce that particular bit of worldbuilding.
>>216950222Does it cost 3 million dollars to hire tall, skinny actors? Damn I gotta get in the tall skinny actor union.
>>216950350i don't give a shit that you don't give a shit. it is what it is.
Belters should look like freaks and almost alien. It's why they feel like such outcasts and different than Inners. They can't imagine living on planets and most can't survive even when they try. It makes it understandable why they would feel so strongly "Us versus Them". And why they would be freaking out that everyone gets to run off to new systems to live happy on fresh new planets, but their bodies are permanently fucked. They would also likely be the last generation of Belters since no one would want to live their way if there's other options.
>>216950380it's actually illegal to hire an actor in ca that's over 5'9"
>>216950335you're already spoiling the story by looking at the thread so probably doesn't matter much to you
Honestly with the exception of Alex and Avaserala all the casting was kind of bad. Holden's actor is bad, Amos is too good looking((they could've at least shaved his head so he's bald like in the books), Naomi is supposed to have hair that falls over her face, all the Belters are supposed to be lanklets
>>216950436>Holden's actor is badunderstatement. i'm not picky with my actors but wew lad.
>>216950436I actually think Holden and Naomi were perfectly cast because their on screen appearances feel just like their chapters: boring shit that should have been an Amos or Bobbie chapter.
>>216950078Marco's whole thing is he's an egotistical nutjob who pivots when his plans don't go the way he wants them to, it's just got diminishing returns when he does it again, and again, and again. even with the Martian ships he's massively outgunned in a straight fight, and everything he does draws more and more attention to himself because of his ego to ensure that that's going to happen and he can't rely on ambushing people.
>>216950463Holden's chapters were okay since he's the protagonist and his characters is where most of the plot happened. Naomi went from being boring as sin to being insufferably annoying in the show so pick your poison.
>>216950383I don't give a shit that you don't give a shit that I don't give a shit, you faggot. Your argument is retarded and holds no water. They created their own problem, production budget has nothing to do with it.
So he was killed off and publicly flogged and excommunicated because "30 women came forward with accusations of sexual abuse" yet he never even got sued much less criminally indicted. He was a pretty bad actor but still pretty lame.
>>216950537you're mad at what is and was. you can't change it. my 'argument' is that what happened was inevitable, which is self-evident.
>>216950212no
>>216950598It's not "inevitable" to jam a stick in your own bicycle spokes.
>>216950436If you're going to be anal and nitpicky about book descriptions then Alex was shit casting since he's supposed to be an old man with a belly.
>>216946965>best castyou mean worst
>>216950592He didn't even do anything that could be considered abuse. He was just trying to sleep with groupies at scifi conventions and the women didn't like him coming on to them. That MeToo bullshit was pretty retarded.
>>216950705yeah he's more handsome in the show than he is in the books but he's still a middle aged indian dude and it's not like the guy is model good looking so I give it a pass whereas Amos's looks like he walked off a romance movie or something when he's supposed to be this gruff and tumble former gangster mechanic with a broken nose.
>>216950736It's utterly bizarre cause he's an objectively good looking guy and was a main character in a show that was pretty big in those circles at the time. Imagine the absolute charisma black hole that his game had to have been lol
>>216950479He was still boring in his chapters though. Throw literally any other character into his chapters instead and it would be improved. I know it started as a TTRPG game with the writers and others, but that guy made a boring character... But goddamn did they stick by him.
I love black women so maybe that's why I never really found Naomi too annoying. I also watched the entire show in like a month so maybe that played into it.
>>216950777Holden is a boring asshole but his chapters were stomachable since they're basically the entire book until book 4 or 5 or w/e they give the other crew members chapters, and even then they're where a lot of the plot happens. Naomi's chapters are just completely irredeemable since she is not only boring as dry paint but also don't feel nearly as central.
Damn imagine going from the Expanse to Chicago fucking Fire.
>>216950809I found the code-switching thing really annoying. I get it, but one scene talking with holden normally then the next she's half-assing the belter creole grated on me.
>>216950752Especially in the first season, he's slovenly and looks like he was as heavier too. And yeah, Amos is supposed to be kind of scarred and shit too, isn't he? Been a while since I read them and I my desire to reread them is low. Though I do need something lighter once I finish my current book. Too much bleakness lately in my reading.
>>216949853>instead of still being "beneath" EarthThey literally ARE beneath Earth though. They live in artificial habitats. Like, no shit you're not gonna have free access to water and air. You don't hear the Martians complaining about it, do you? And then they go and take over a space station because their kids are getting brain damage from hypoxia. No shit, why'd you move your kids to a space station with even LESS air than whatever shithole you were on before? Then they fucking space the "bossmang" in charge, thinking that'll make Earth MORE likely to negotiate?They're beneath Earth in every fucking respect. Even the Earther NEETs strung out on free drugs probably aren't that stupid.>>216949857>NaomiI only read up to like v3. Yeah, she was a lot better in the book, what with having a crush on Holden while he was busy fucking that blonde that died on the Cant. A little girlishness goes a long way to building rapport, and slay qween nonsense goes a long way to destroying it. On the flip side, Ashford was a whiny bureaucrat in the books but was my favorite character in the show.>basically every Belter character aside from the Asian guy looking for his daughter is a terroristNot an improvement to make them entitled niggers.>>216950197That would have redeemed so much.
The show is astonishingly bad if you're a bookfag and read those first. I'm not going to put the books on a podium as if they're the greatest things ever but I really can't get over how bad the show is in comparison, it's as if they saw all the worst aspects of the books and thought>hm yes, this is what we should focus our screentime onand then on top of it went and injected a whole bunch of bs made up character drama and hostility between characters. I watched s1 and 2 before dumping it and it aggravated me how our central gang of 4 never seemed like they were on good terms with each other. In book 1 with all the shit they go through together (plus their pre-existing association with each other through their jobs) they quickly form strong bonds of trust and friendship but in the show they feel more like a bunch of people who resent being stuck with each other and are constantly squabbling. It's boring artificial drama that needlessly distracts from the story and setting and prevents any chance of it ever feeling comfy.
>>216950811That's fair. So I will amend my previous comment and say that Holden himself is just boring as hell, but agreed that his chapters overall are fine. At the very least, necessary.
>>216950833Not the heckin code switching, that's so problematic
>>216950853I watched the show and then read the books, albeit I got way ahead of the former with the latter. So yeah, the later seasons especially are just trash IMO. I dropped it when they killed off Alex for that bullshit too.
>>216946458>>216946651if it wasn't marco inaros, duarte would have just found some other useful belter idiot to fuck up the inners while he and his followers made a run for laconia
>>216950197yeah but then they also BTFO Earth & Mars which was gay. FUCK LACONIA AND FUCK LACONIANS
The belter lingo or language or dialect or whatever the fuck it was never worked for me at any point. Always sounded forced and retarded.
>>216950902I assume Laconia had a large store or a better way to grow food because IIRC, without the botanist discovering the edible, radiation eating bacteria they might have starved too.
>>216950853yeah they never really captured the found family aspect the books did with the crew.
>>216950926>>216950887they all sucked but naiomi's accent was definitely the worst
Is there more cool alien shit in the later books? The politics was fine but all the protomolecule stuff and all of season 3 was what I enjoyed the most.
>>216950842>No shit, why'd you move your kids to a space stationYou need to understand something that everyone seems to get fundamentally wrong about "betlers". They didn't just one day decide to go live on asteroids because it'd be cool. INNERS NEEDED STATIONS IN THE BELT. INNERS NEED BELTERS. They were just normal humans before. They were paid by Earth and Mars to go man these stations so they can fuel, repair, and resupply transiting ships going back and forth. And over the centuries, families just live and do that all the time. But they're human and were never supposed to be some created slave race that you can work to death as you please. "Do whatever we say for as long as we say or we shut off your air, it's that easy".
The stuff on earth with Clarissa Mao and Amos was kino
>>216937447Why'd they get rid of Dawes? Kino actor.
>>216951003Holden becomes the only man that can still see on a colony planet for a while and has to use a ghost of Miller made by the remnants of protomolecule in his head to unlock some alien stuff on the planet. Oh and based Laconia their leader starts taking protomolecule treatments and seems to gain super powers but then become mostly catatonic
>>216951042It was the only kino in that entire season.
>>216951062>Holden becomes the only man that can still see on a colony planet for a while and has to use a ghost of Miller made by the remnants of protomolecule in his head to unlock some alien stuff on the planet.Yeah, I know, that was in the show too lol
>>216951045Because Jared Harris doesn't come cheap. He's a solid way to lend some acting chops to a show because he's great but I think most shows use him sparingly because he's expensive.
>>216950842they're pretty much analogous to any colonist country that grows tired of being ruled over by a distant power they don't identify with. >you don't hear Martians complaining about itBecause Martians are independent before the show starts because they broke off. Belters are in the process of rebelling because they're upset about it.
>>216950828Looking at it basically everyone on this show has had a completely dead career afterward for whatever reason
>>216951081I apparently checked out of the show earlier than I thought.
>>216951081>>216951003The final book is more or less them dealing with the aliens that killed the aliens that made the protomolecule and the rings. Amos is killed and then revived into a protomolecule/human hybrid thing that's immortal.
>>216951003 Yes, all the protomolecule stuff comes to a head. It's bigger than ever. All the stuff they find on Laconia leads to even bigger discovers. They get huge alien battleships and take over most of humanity's star systems. They find an enormous mysterious diamond the size of Jupiter in a star system. Plus some star systems that are completely empty except for one extremely heavy massive star and it's really weird.
>>216951100Probably because most of them aren't very good at acting
>>216951088He also started filming for The Crown in 2017 which was a much bigger show.>>216951100Amos was a a guy who wore a helmet in Star Wars for like 5 minutes if that counts.
>>216951012>They were paidYes, it was VOLUNTARY, it's not like they were prisoners exiled to space even if they act like it. And they decided to stay out there instead of coming home to have kids on Earth so they could actually live on a PLANET instead of being cursed to live in a vacuum forever. Also, I was specifically talking about the space station they took over (which Fred Johnson blew up to become the Butcher) which had even LESS air so their kids got brain damage. The kids who were presumably healthy before they moved to the space station their parents took over must have grown up with enough oxygen before that.It's not like they needed to stay out there to make a living, there are 30 billion NEETs on Earth getting free food and drugs.
>>216951094>Because Martians are independentBecause they're not niggers.>Belters are in the process of rebellingBelters will NEVER be independent. They simply don't have the natural resources to even just LIVE on their own. They need to accept that, because no amount of chimping out will ever change it. And the ones who manage to escape by going through the rings will eventually become "Inners" when they live on planets.
>>216951121You left out: the aliens that made the protomolecule aren't dead. They are a hivemind that hid themselves as data inside a giant space diamond and have waited billions of years. Now that Duarte has been taken over by them, they are using him to take control of the minds of all humanity and try to turn humans into a hive mind to steal their bodies. The mind controlled humans all chase the good guy fleet in unison and don't need radios to talk to each other. The good guys have to destroy the ring networks to stop it all and strand everyone for centuries in whatever star system they are in.
>>216951209Martians fucked up by not cultivating their own, loyal group of Belters for space infrastructure shit.
>>216940353I’ve never had a bigger celebrity crush anons…
>>216951294>the ones that live on planets will become innersyeah that's why they remaining ones, who can't live on planets, are assmad
>>216951209>EarthGargantuan welfare state of epic proportions, I think at one point they say it's one job slot for every 6000 people or so>MarsFacist military dictatorshipAnyone who didn't want to live in either of these and had the choice went to the belt
>>216951306Wait that's what the fuckhuge diamond was? I thought it was just another piece of world building and wasn't supposed to be explained.
>>216951349Mars wasn't fascist.
>>216951349I don't recall Mars being a fascist military dictatorship but they were like a militarized technocracy.But then again if you're born in the Belt, like all the Belters are by the time the story starts, you don't have much of a choice. You can't choose to live on Earth or Mars.
>>216951349God Mars was so based. Unironically, a beautiful project and dream.
>>216951415until it falls apart when they get access to new planets and nobody wants to waste their time trying to terraform the red shithole kek
>>216951450Yeah that part is sad but it seems to get out back in place by the end.
>>216941900You definitely can.
>>216951406>>216951379Eh, they skirt around or close to it. By the time you actually get a look at Mars you've had at least three seasons of just Belter shit so anything resembling a competent government looks totalitarian by comparison. Defintely some form of police state at the very least.
>>216951527It was certainly authoritarian in some fashion, but not overly so IIRC.
>>216951361 yup, they were in the diamond. They made themselves into energy-like beings which works great for space travel, but made them very easy to kill by the Goths aka the red aliens. So they had to go into hiding until another "hardier" species discovered them so they could steal their bodies. Humans being physical could withstand most of the red alien attacks as long as they didn't trigger the rings to eat them. So if they stole the human bodies then they could withstand the red alien attacks and rebuild their empire.
>>216951527Yeah I remember they were militarized and pretty nationalistic but I couldn't recall if they were outright totalitarian. I do remember them having like a Congress and being run by an elected Prime Minister. Granted I didn't read the spin-off novellas or whatever focusing on Bobbie so it's possible it's like a ""'Democratic Republic""" of Korea situation.
>>216951607It seemed like a fairly realistic depiction of someone making Heinlein's Federation real, albeit only one nation.
>GORMS in your pathWhat now belters?
>>216951563>>216951607Off the top of my head>Lots of propaganda about Mars > Earth, on subway adverts, screens in bars, etc>Strong culture about not going 'against Mars', being a good Martian, etc>Entire economy is built around building up to a war with Earth, when the ring happens and that goes to shit it all falls apart and suddenly there's a lot of unemployment>Ring also takes the wind out of the sails about terraforming Mars, the other big goal the economy hadStill, out of the three it's probably the best for quality of life if you're a regular person and have a job. Earth you've a 5999/6000 odd chance of being on welfare, and The Belt, you're a Belter.
>>216951346Well they should blame their ancestors for not having the foresight to not have kids in space.>>216951312>loyal group of Belterswat. Belters aren't even loyal to each other. That's another reason why they're niggers.>>216951349>Gargantuan welfare stateYes, and if you want benefits you have to live there. The Belter ancestors could have come home to leech off the state. Instead, they stayed out there and... still want to leech off the state.>Anyone who didn't want to live in either of these and had the choice went to the beltWell they made their choice. They choose freedumb over air and water. Now they have to live with it.
>>216951729Earth seems okay if you're living in Montana or whatever like Holden's parents.
>>216951607>>216951527Mars is really just very strict since they have to constantly be prepared for war against Earth who seems to really want to dominate them, plus they have a generations long terraforming project that needs everyone to do their part. So anyone slacking off and not doing their part is definitely looked down upon. And they're more seen like the Earth population who are known as "takers" since they just sit around collecting basic income and hand out food. I think the best part of the Mars story is when it all falls apart. Everyone has to grapple with the dream of Mars dying almost overnight. Bobby can barely handle it. Now everyone's scrambling to get what little they can and leave Mars before they're left-behind-losers. It's an interesting story to me.
>>216951729>Entire economy is built around building up to a war with Earth, when the ring happens and that goes to shit it all falls apart and suddenly there's a lot of unemploymentTheir entire economy was built around turning Mars into a planet fit for human life, the terra forming project. It ended because all of a sudden there was a bunch of new worlds, within travel distance, that were already fit for human life. It wasn't war with earth driving them. They couldn't have won one any how.
>>216951759>>216951729VGH, Earth would have been perfection once the overpopulation crisis ended due to everyone leaving for the new planets. Too bad those faggot Laconians and Belters ruined it
>>216951602Huh. I thought Duarre was just trying to merge everyone into a hive mind. Didn't know he was making everyone possessed. Kinda neat that a Jupiter sized diamond is just a big SSD for the ring makers.
>>216951738>Well they made their choice.Sorry, that was my point I didn't get round to, they could have easily made money in space and sent it back to earth and lived like a king until they had to go back up. But they didn't, were fucking idiots, and made their culture around being proud of being fucking idiots.>>216951743They point out that's a massive outlier, all 8 of them had Holden as some sort of tax break thing and their farm is considered as 'massive' but it's tiny by today's standards.>>216951759>>216951787Yeah Mars has a thing about living within their means because they can't afford to waste anything, and all of a sudden there's 1000+ worlds ready for the taking so the whole thing crumbles.>They couldn't have won one any how.In the simulations they mention Mars has a 2 to 1 kill ratio against Earth ships, but Earth outnumber mars 5 to 1. Neither of them actually want a war apart from Errinwright and Mao because they're invested in it with the proto tech.
>>216951937Yeah neither of them truly want it, but Mars just couldn't win. It took Bobbie a while to adjust to just walking around on earth and she has trained for an invasion. Another It's thing that I get somewhat annoyed with but neither the book or show really address just how much stronger Earthborn humans would be. I get why they didn't though.
>>216946517>nasa tried itSeriously? So all the astronauts on the ISS, they just go no-fap for however long their rotation is? Brutal.
>>216952447they use Swedish-made penis pumps
The Expanse is better than Star Trek
>>216952483That's not mine!
>>216949539almost to its detriment, i found the protomolecule machinations far more interesting than anything else the show tried to explore. but i appreciate what they did in that sci fi area
>>216952746I looked at all the clues and interviewed all the witnesses. It was this anon's alright.
>>216950212she had some nice outfits. cute in this one
>>216952901>Was Avasarala there? What was she wearing?
>>216950212her voice is so fucking annoying
>>216952923haha. i forgot he had a thing for hersomething should've happened, it would've been hot
why did holden get so skinny?
>>216952991She should have strip teased for him
>>216953010space aids
>>216952973i found it weirdly pleasing, dunno why. also it's shockingly accurate to how her voice is described in the book.
>>216950971The whole problem with food was because (a) Earth's entire biosphere got completely fucked by the asteroids (in the show it's just a couple of gigaton impacts but in the book the bombardment is an extinction level event that will take Earth decades to recover from) which means the only habitable planet with arable land to provide food to the entire human population is effectively dead, and (b) Ganymede still hasn't recovered from the UN-MCR war. Colonies through the ring system were somewhat habitable and a place like Laconia could easily grow enough food to support Duarte and his forces after a few months... but providing food for tens of billions of people is a whole other level of difficulty.
>>216953025this caused her to break her stern character and actually smile and laugh in the book. he was definitely in
>>216951131Best part was Laconia staging a 'first strike' against the aliens that killed the ring-builders and them responding by straight up fucking supernova-ing a goddamned star and causing a gamma ray burst that nukes everything in the slow zone
qrd of ringbuilders and the evil aliens that destroyed them?
>>216953184That was great and I liked the reactions. The people who had grown up their whole lives with the rings and Medina Station being ever present. They would seemingly never change. Then suddenly Medina is impossibly gone, there's two less gates, and the thousand other gates shifted position to compensate. Their minds are like wtf?!
>>216953329>Aliens make magic teleporting rings>Rings tap into other dimension>Evil aliens live in other dimension, get mad at first aliens for using rings>Evil aliens kill original aliens
>>216953184>>216953372Damn, maybe I should start reading it again. But if I see the word "Coriolis" ever again it'll be too soon.
>>216953523thanks. what was with that lifeform in the final series that was healing itself (resurrecting dead people? i forget now)
>>216953593it's like a protomolecule experiment and they use it on amos after he's gunned down and he becomes this like immortal human protomolecule thing but acts the same
>>216953523>evil aliensThey are objectively the good aliens, the bad ones are the ring makers who fucked up everyone up for their own gains.
>>216953593Protomolecule drones. It's explored further in the books but the proteans dig their engineering mostly biological, so their machines/buildings are mostly organic.The protomolecule that was send to our solar system was programmed to analyse material where it landed to build a gate, but the protomolecule dogs on laconio are maintenance drones. They try to "fix" the human children and end up making "improvements" that make them strange hybrid creatures.
>>216953614God Emperor Amos now
i remember the julie hapa was hot
>>216933940Henlo sirs and good mornings :^ ) belease do the needful and beltaloader independence yes?
so the protomolecule is basically magic
>>216942150Killing off that absolute racial specimen so early was a travesty
>>216954332It's advanced enough technology that it appears to be indistinguishable from magic to your simplistic eyes
>>216954332more or less yes
>>216950212Still the only gilf that I would
Roberta and amos should have sex
>>216953025damn she's kinda bad unironically would
