Realistically Navi stands no chance against the crab bots
>>216951698>he says, right before being eaten by a car sized squid going at Mach Fuck
>>216951698realistically, Na'Vi would never land a single blow to the humanity. An interstellar civilization would never send any humans into battle, all fighting will be done by unmanned drones, nanoshit, kinetic nukes, designer viruses and stuff like that while humans sit on the orbit and chill
>>216951698Get rid of the plexiglass and replace it with solid metal with cameras and this thing no-diffs everything smaller than the whales. Once it's got a hold on you it's over
>>216951698>Realistically Navi stands no chance against the crab bots>needs to be within 60m for a lock.It's hilarious how all the weapons these interstellar traveling future humans use is worse in almost every way to what we have today, but that's a problem in most movies since no one seems to figure a way to make shooting beyond visual range interesting or engaging I suppose. It's all got to be close action stuff instead of where the Navi just eat like 10 well placed missiles from beyond the horizon.Hell, even going back to WW2 battleships with 16 inch guns could have shelled them from 20 miles away and never need to get anywhere close to them to wipe them out.
>>216951946finally some sense
>>216951750Do these squids eat any hot women?Thanks
>>216952439You see this all the time in every form of media when you have writers that don't understand anything weapons related. Most people's only exposure to guns is video games and TV/movies.
>>216951946cameron would just do some asspull like magnetic fields distorting drone signals or some organic emp
>>216952439Is that why battleships still dominate the sea nowadays and not being a huge sitting target practice for jet fighters and missiles?
>>216952500Why not just nuke from orbit, nuke just using a timer or barometric pressure, the casing would pretty much double as a faraday cage to eliminate interference from stuff like that.
>>216951698>Realistically Navi stands no chance against the crab bots
>>216952481>Do these squids eat any hot women?Certainly enough that if one of them took a community college course in the Russian language that Putin would declare it a genocide and invade for NOT territorial expansion.
>>216952770No they got replaced by ships that can do the same thing over hundreds of miles instead, you fucking retard. What do you think carriers do? Even the jets on them never need to get within 200 miles of their targets
>>216952859Lmao retarded faggot go back to /k/ pls
>>216952770>not being a huge sitting target practice for jet fighters and missiles?I didn't realize the Na'vi have fighter jets and missiles.But no, we could just have a SSGN that could just pop up 500 miles away and launch either dozens of conventional cruise missiles or a single nuclear cruise missile in under a minute before going back under and going somewhere else leaving nothing to strike back at.
>>216952934The fuq? That's what triggers you? Go die in trench then, vatnik.
>>216951698>tfw you thought the crab mechs were easy prey
>>216952495There's artistic license too. Humans could have entered orbit, bombed the site with the most minerals from orbit, then came down and collected. But that doesn't make for much of a movie.
>>216952988>gets called out for Russia-induced brainrot>reeeeeeeeeee you must be a Russian account It's like trying to tell a schizophrenic that the voices aren't real
>>216952858>grok, how can I defeat a tank without modern weapons?>just treat it like an elden ring boss and cast fire/holy damage or wait till it overheats
Imagine droning blue niggers one by onetilting your controller to dodge their impotent javelin throwswatching them shake their fist at youanother pineapple dropswatch them limp away in horror only to drop the next one straight on their torsozooming in on them as they succumb to grievous injuries, then hovering giant 8k screens above their village showing the carnage
>>216952770you are the dumbest motherfucker ever to visit /tv/ - Television & Film
>>216951698>SNIB SNIB SNIB! OFF TO SNIB WE GO!
>>216951946It's not really an interstellar civilization. Pandora is humanity's first attempt at planting its civilization anywhere beyond Earth.Avatar 1 at least partly explains why they don't do everything with drones, with unobtanium interfering with signals used in most tech. They can't attack the Na'vi in a way that destroys Pandora's environments in the process, and if you don't understand why then you haven't seen Avatar 2 and 3
>>216953454orbital bombardment
>>216953454it is tho :/ sorry anon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZHBeIAeILk
>>216951946>unmanned dronesMagnetic fields interfere with targeting systems >nanoshita interstellar civilization wouldn't have that necessarily>kinetic nukeswould destroy the ecology the RDA is their to exploit>designer virusesAddressed in project 880. Eywa creates counterviruses to whatever diseases the humans introduce.
>>216952439they're made to hunt whales
>>216953404someone needs to make an edit where they're all the one guy smashing his fist in sync
>>216952858>in the MechWarrior lore Log off the hyperpulse
>>216953022they would've essentially declared war on the entire planet and they didn't have the resources for that.
>>216953828>they're made to hunt whalesOK, what stops them from hunting whales at 600m out?Like we hunt things 100 years ago and today at distances well over 5x that 60m stated, why would it somehow be practically point blank 100+ years from now?
>>216953404PATHETIC glass was so weak squid beaks break it with ease.
>>216952859WutI just want to know if hotties get eaten by alien cephalopods bruh, idc about slavs
>>216951698Where are my fucking CET-OPS crabmech model kits James you hack.
>>216951946>Let's glass a habitable planet after we fucked up Earth
>>216953796>Eywa creates counterviruses to whatever diseases the humans introduce.I wish they would have kept that and some of the other Deathworld-like stuff. The planet is just fucking insanely hostile in that outline. IIRC Quaritch takes some fresh marines on a short trip into jungle for a familiarization exercise and they're constantly getting pelted by plants spitting venomous barbs and bats and shit divebombing them. You really get the point that Eywa hates humans and wants them gone.
>>216954264Crab Ops
>>216954527yeah that original outline could have easily turned into a harder R style action movie, but then again, no way that would have ever been possible with the budget required.
>>216955084the movie opens with Jake plunging a knife into spider and he dies to the audiences thunderous applause
>>216951698Why did they stop using these
>>216955149I dont think they can swim
>>216953454nigger they're in another fucking solar system. that's as interstellar as it gets. and you can attack them just fine without destroying the environment. just drop a rock on their tree, show up on person afterwards going "fuck off or we drop another rock", and then keep dropping rocks on them until they fuck off to another continent or something. and pandora's ecology can't survive? fucking earth ecology can survive shit like that; everything's back in a season. even if the trees will take a century or whatever, forests burn down naturally all the time so they're used to it. pandora will shrug it off like nothing. so just keep dropping rocks on them until they submit or there are none of them left.and this is just armchair general stuff. someone actually on-site with however many generations worth of practical experience doing this stuff would be able to come up with a billion different ways to wipe out the aliens effortlessly
>>216955149apparently a skinny catgirl could easily overpower one in hand-to-hand, so they were kind of pointless
>>216953869Or they would have terrified the fuck out of the locals and they would have stayed the fuck away from the crater that appeared overnight.I'm saying the entire plot is dumb, making contact and avatars with primitives so we can mine the mineral that's necessary for our species to exist? We would have glassed them.
>>216955189moron
>>216952859is it Americans posting this shit or are these Ukrainian shills?
>>216955258retard
>>216955221>We would have glassed them.And destroy the resources you came for?
>>216955505The resources that are in the ground that won't be affected?
> le orbital bombardment Crude tactics. Just put sun blocking shades in orbit around Pandora to lower global temperature to ice age level. The forest will naturally die off and Navi with it. Your move, Ewya.
>>216951698This shit is so fucking stupid
>>216951698This shit is so fucking cool
>>216952858there's nothing i hate more than AI writing a bunch of total nonsensical horseshit written in the style a video game journalist, it's like two types of bullshit combined
>>216952934>/k/ is unironically where the /tv/ Billie refugees fled to be defended by the nafo frens/jeet bot farm who unironically view the movies through the lens Pandora is Ukraine and zelinsky their Jake Sully like the shitpost meme poster making fun of them. >Any discussion of scifi tech or operating operationally in the avatar setting met with infinite seethe about unjustified waririno and how not hating humanity is problematicI will never forgive the state department for what they did to the board I saw the sandyhabbenning on and convinced me to buy 5 nuggets.
>>216952439This is my biggest complaint about the movies. Cameron needs to hire someone who knows military technology and strategy.I hope Avatar 4 is actually about long range bombing
>>216954312>Let's glass a habitable planet full of furries with a core made of magic rocks we can use to generate effectively limitless usable energy that we can use to solve all our problems.
>>216956366>Grows a giant tentacle a-la War Planets
>>216956594Shut the fuck up Ivan
At this point, surely some high level executive at RDA must have realized that using one deep penetration bomb on revolting Navi strongholds is more cost effective than marching with so many ships and helicopters into battle
>>216953022The entire movie requires absurd contrivances for its story to happen. That doesn't make for much of a movie either. If you can invent a fictional world, you can invent a plausible reason for why humanity wouldn't just nuke the site from orbit and be done with it.
>>216956627>Not habitable to man, literal toxic atmosphere and hostile biosphere First movie made sure to state the Basecamp approach was effectively cost optimization for the output of resources they immediately needed. When that proved nonviable you got bridgehead to replace it and pushing the naavi back hundreds of miles until Jakes off screen raiding of the mining operation was no longer tenable resistance.
>>216956627>solve all our problems.>caused by destroying Earths environment in the exact same waylol
>>216956715>If you can invent a fictional world, you can invent a plausible reason for why humanity wouldn't just nuke the site from orbit and be done with it.They already did fuckwit, it's because there's severe political pressure from Earth to not destroy the alien ecosystem. What the fuck do you think the Avatar program was for?
Does anyone else want a TV show or movie about the humanity’s first contact with Na’vi on Pandora. IIRC even in Avatar 1 humans have known the Na’vi for some time and no one seems wowed by another intelligent human like species existing in the universe
>>216956758In the first movie the avatar program was basically irrelevant and Ribisi told Grace to fuck off with her bleeding heart antics and then they proceeded to blow one of those big trees up. Guess what, nobody gave a shit.Then at the start of movie 2 a bunch of ships scorched a large surface area and nobody gave a shit either.at no point in the movies was it established anyone on Earth gives half a fuck about the navi, it's just a few token local scientists going all weepy.
>>216956825How do you know nobody gives a shit, retard? Earth is never shown. The unobtainium is never even mentioned again after the first movie.
>>216956566this, I fucking hate the way these things write now
>>216956758>humanity is facing literal extinction>BUT WE CAN'T HARM THIS FRAGILE ALIEN ECOSYSTEM!!Yeah, not buying it. If a year from now a plague threatens to wipe out the human race and the only cure is produced by mercilessly beating baby harp seals to death you're gonna have every PETA faggot out on the ice bludgeoning seals.
>>216956779The implication should be that intelligent life is very common in the universe (since you found your first example a mere 4 light years away) and that therefore there should be other species out there far older and more powerful than humans OR Na'vi
>>216957060>humanity is facing literal extinctionlolHe believes this
Since RDA is a company I just assume they send the cheapest equipment they could find.
>>216957060Lmao you think industrialized rape of the planet is necessary to your survival and will defend anything that allows billionaires to keep profiting off it
>>216957060>>humanity is facing literal extinction>>BUT WE CAN'T HARM THIS FRAGILE ALIEN ECOSYSTEM!White people have the ability to analyse cause and effect and determine that harming the ecosystem leads to extinction
>>216951946Yea, this goes for all alien invasion movies. Independence Day is a supremely silly movie. The aliens could just thrown huge rocks at earth and never need to use "super weapons" to blow up cities. However, Avatar stems from a desire to not kill the natives. That's the point of the whole avatar program, to learn from them and study and so forth. It also highlights the inpatients of man, wanting stuff now. Going in for resources immediately and clearing out any issues in the way.
>>216951946They can't glass the planet because it'll also blow up the mcguffin infinite energy rock they're looking for. That's all it is. Save the whales bro
>>216957298if it's necessary then it's necessary. pretty simple.
>>216951698Call THAT a crab-bot? I've seen better crabbots in YA books!
>>216957474Thanks Once-ler
>>216951698I only watched the first movie... is this real? Did the really have a fucking crab robot? What kind of artistic bankruptcy is this?
>>216955221Neither unobtanium nor whale juice are "neccessary for our specious to exist". They are only neccessary to increase shareholder profit. The conflict on Pandora is not some kind of existential war for humanity. It's a blood diamond mining corporation hiring space Wagner to try and turn a profit.The talk about colonisation "to save humanity" is in-world corporate propaganda. And you are falling for it irl. No way anyone plans to mass transport a billion wagies from earth to Pandora. At most the plan is to build a gated community for the ultra rich.
>>216951946didnt watch the movies award
>>216953404For me it's the one on the left punching the air
>>216951698Why do they shoot those long sticks and not just bullets?
>>216956594Anons on /k/ have a baseline understanding of war and weapons. How ever little that may be, it protects them from zigger propaganda. /k/omandos understand it's not normal to cube your own soldiers for example.
>>216958090Anons on /k/ don't know shit about anything. Most of them don't own a single airsoft rifle let alone a real one and they certainly don't shoot them. /k/ is the worst hobbyist board on this entire site and it's isn't a remotely close competition. Why you would listen to a firearms benchracer on the subject of geopolitics is beyond me. At least the gear queers on /p/ actually own and use the relevant equipment, if only to pixelpeep and argue about test chart performance. I'd bet money /p/ has a higher percapita firearms ownership rate than /k/ does.
>>216955084What's this about an original outline
>>216957189Eywa is far older and more powerful than humans.
>>216958204yes the original outline
>>216951946It doesn't even make sense that they need Pandora in the first place. They have literally mastered antimatter and interstellar travel.There's nothing stopping them from building O'Neill cylinders or even ringworlds.
>>216951750A squid is not na'vi
>>216953404wtf is this stupid shit?
>>216955149Fucking badass af
>>216958307Fishermen having fun at their job.
>>216958307Mecha you uncultured swine. We have a whole board for it
I'm reading James Cameron's original treatment for Avatar from the 90's. Starting strong with the typical environmental shtick about the Earth being a cesspool and mother nature being dead, the typical stuff. This kind of thing hasn't resonated with me for a long time now, TBQH. I'm not worried abut the degradation of the environment. I'm worried about the degeneration of the human stock. I worry that in 50 years I'll walk outside my house and a charming, intelligent, decent person will be even rarer to come across than they are now. Smart people, charming people, attractive people, these are the most endangered species on planet earth. And everyone hates them and wants to rape them btw
>>216951946Navi wouldn't even be able to beat a WW2 era human army, let alone cold war or contemporary one. The problem with science fantasy like Avatar is that audiences are too aware of military technology now. Star Wars and Star Trek and all those boomer scifi franchises were created in eras where the general public were largely ignorant of military technology, so Stormtroopers still moving around like WW1 era soldiers firing single shot laser rifles were believable since your average 1978 normie was wholly ignorant of the evolution of military tactics and weaponry.Even suburban soccer moms are far more aware of how soldiers actually fight now and what weaponry they use, but unfortunately exciting battle scenes and realistic contemporary military tactics are mutually exclusive, which is why essentially every form of media still portrays war analogous to something from before 1939. This is a problem writers simply won't be able to overcome because there's no way to portray a scrappy underdog resistance being able to overcome an enemy armed with shit like 30mm rapid fire cannons that fire exploding shells at 800 rounds a minute with near pinpoint accuracy.You can't write science fantasy stories around earth anymore. Anything short of AI controlled autonomous drones obliterating everything is too unbelievable now.
>>216958284Well, quite. If you're flying to the nearest stars with relativistic rockets, you've solved resource problems in your own system. Earth should not look at all cyberpunky with pedal cabs etc
>>216958544>there's no way to portray a scrappy underdog resistance being able to overcome an enemy armed with shit like 30mm rapid fire cannons that fire exploding shells at 800 rounds a minute with near pinpoint accuracy.There's always gorilla warfare. And some schtick about the gear not working properly because of the planet's magnetosphere or whatever.
They can literally upload their consciousness into alien host bodies. Why wouldn't they just upload into terminators or vastly superior genetically engineered bodies instead?
>>216958655Muh magnetosphere doesn't explain why futuristic weapon systems like mech walkers are somehow vulnerable to arrows and boulders that contemporary light afvs are impervious to, or why the infantry are all running around with small caliber assault rifles without so much as a medium machine gun to cover them let alone more sophisticated future tech like a 40mm machine gun grenade launcher which requires no computer parts to use.
>>216958661not everyone was compatible, it's why they went out of their way to bring jack despite him having zero training when his brother died
>>216958701jake*
>>216958544The scene in Aliens where the Marines discover the colonists homing signals are all clustered in the atmosphere processing plant comes to mind. Obviously they would have a little drone fly in there to see what is what. And then you can't have a firefight there...
>>216958661The reason if you make it realistic then you can't have a movie. That's the reason. Humans killing Na'vi with robots and the Na'vi having no chance is not a movie.
>>216958698they're RDA security forces, not a full military
>>216958791A lot of people don’t seem to understand it’s a private venture. A corporation was originally there to mine, but has shifted to attempting long term colonization, using mining and whaling to fund everything. Anons are still correct that modern weaponry could beat the Na’vi with over the horizon weapons. But those are boring. I think the corporate aspect, unusual conditions on Pandora, and extreme distance from Earth work well for suspension of disbelief.
I don’t think even James Cameron realizes what a monumental scientific and engineering achievement it is to be able to travel all the way to Alpha Centauri in 6 years. It also probably means that humanity has mastered nuclear fusion. What could possibly be so bad on Earth?>>216958037>>216958544Both true
>>216958544You are right that watching a movie about directing long range precision fires would be boring to watch. But I think you're overestimating the utility of airpower there. The only military asset that can occupy and control territory is the rifleman. Planes, missiles and long range artillery can blow lots of shit up, but they can't clear and hold. That's why the US military lost both vietnam and afghanistan, despite all their technological advantages and open cruelty. Just light infantry sitting in earthworks can withstand large amounts of explosives, as WW1 demonstrates. A realistic depiction of the Pandora Conflict might be something like the Battle of Gate Pa (1864). It would still allow for visual spectacle, close quarters conflict, and emotional confrontations.
>>216958791The RDA has basically hired space Wagner. A bunch of ex-military guys who failed at civilian life and have signed on a 12+ year tour to do gruntwork in the jungle. Their "military" has little in the way of heavy or specialized weapons and is staffed by the worst losers. They are not conquistadors who want to retire to a hacienda on Pandora, they are dead-end mercs.
>>216958940It would make sense if a dying cyberpunk Earth had managed to make a rather crappy portal to alpha centauri but that scenario has its own problems
What do the great world religions think of the Navi? Any missionary work?
>>216958940>>216959063Earth is very likely overpopulated, polluted despite the level of technology. The elite probably want to escape to Pandora as a long term solution.
>>216959104>Earth is very likely overpopulated, polluted despite the level of technology.Yes, but that is stupid. It shouldn't be.
this is like DUNE where there are no gundamswhy are white people so stupid with robots
>>216959104Nah man if they have figured out interstellar travel I'm sure they have figured out how to deal with overpopulation and pollution. Science can fix everything.
>>216959117How does you having an iphone stop pajeets from throwing all of their trash in the river?
>>216952439By WWII naval battles were being fought with airplanes.
>>216959117The extra scenes from Avatar 1 do show the cities being overpopulated and Jake’s brother being killed in a mugging. I agree that Cameron would have to develop a very contrived reason as to why Earth is so bad, maybe WW3 occurred at some point and caused a lot of destruction and rendered many major cities uninhabitable.
>>216958952Riflemen would just walk in and obliterate the navi with their rifles. Navi are giant soft targets, which humans are experts at killing. Like, it's kind of absurd. Humans are smaller and thus harder to kill and stealthier than the navi, and their weapons mean they're deadlier in both long- and close combat. You could probably send just 16th century settlers armed with muskets to pandora and they would displace the navi population all on their own.
>>216955261>Ukrainian shillsAnon Ukrainian shills don't exist, Ukrainian are almost extinct by now. It's Israel bots. The leak from not along ago showed that the majority posters are from India and Israel.
I don’t get why the whale juice is so important. Can’t rich people just upload their memories and wake up in a new hot body every 30 years or so? >>216956779>>216957189Cameron probably isn’t interested at all in that because he’s seen what happened with Star Wars with you expose more than what is necessary. Future creators turn it to shit and the legacy is tarnished.
>>216959291>I don’t get why the whale juice is so important. Can’t rich people just upload their memories and wake up in a new hot body every 30 years or so?Yes, that's a massive internal logic error of A2: Humans can scan a brain, upload it to a computer and then download it to a cloned body. No avatar remote control pods needed if you want to do it permanently. There's no way sending people on a 12 year journey to do manual whaling on another planet is easier or more profitable than that.
>>216958940Sorry, all the fusion energy is spent powering up continental AI data centers.
>>216959291>>216959375I don’t think there’s a continuity of consciousness when people’s memories are uploaded into a new body. I think the original dies even if the copy appears the same.
NO STOP POKING HOLES IN THE LOGIC AND CONSISTENCY OF MY AVATAR WORLD AAAAARRRGGGHHH
>>216953055Go back to reppit if you want a safe-space, nigger. The metaphor was appropriate.
>>216959002This doesn't make sense either. The discovery of Pandora should have led to a gold rush of colonizers like the New World did. Every country on Earth should be raising their flag on Pandora and the humans should be fighting each other as often as the Na'vi. Early America was a 24/7 free for all world pvp server for Europeans.
>>216959229>pro-Putin posts are from IndiaNo shit, sherlock.
>>216959923I think you’re right that would be more realistic. Though Pandora is described as being tens of trillions of miles from Earth. I don’t think it’s exactly easy to get people and equipment there. Even communication with Earth might be spotty at such distances.
>>216959923>>216959988It's four light years away without any kooky ftl drive. Comparing the effort needed to sending ships across the Atlantic is silly. Sending anything other than small samples of unobtainium back for analysis is also silly
>>216959923Nigger, go look up how Spanish colonization actually happened. The other anon spelled it out for you and the only thing keeping you from agreeing with him in full is your ignorance of how uncontrolled Spanish colonization actually was. Cortez wasn't supposed to conquer Mexico.
>>216952500based, btfo every "just do this bro it's realistic" faggot, adding rules to your setting and then working around them in unique and creative ways is pure sovl that such faggots lack
Someone told me that the fourth film would be "Earth" and would take place on Earth. I cannot conceive of that being a good film though. Just do some underground shenanigans and call it a quadrilogy.
>>216960138Fifth film, anon. The fifth film has Neytiri on Earth, so we've heard.
>>216960161Ah. Well I guess they would have a whole movie to set that up, but I still can't conceive of it being a decent film without a huge tonal shift. How can you have an Avatar film without giant bioluminescent animals?
>>216951946Realistic it wouldn't be a private company that would be involved in a crucial colonization/extraction effort. People still uses the old "Company of India" trope, when it would be a state action, or more likely a plurinational one. If Earth itself was in dire straights ravenous for resources, no single company would be in charge of a thing like that, neither they would have a gloved approach to locals.
>>216960194I can accept that Pandora is given to some kind of East India Company. Earth is a corrupt corporate shithole and half the MPs are probably also boardmembers, like with the EIC. What would be more interesting though would be to do it like canada: Two different companies get a territorial claim each, and then they fight each other in a colonial corporate war: https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Pemmican_War
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>>216961224>>216961203>>216961164>>216961182Do the legs fold up into the body?
>>216961241https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ge7mhnTUZtMof course
>>216961246they look like they're having a good time
>>216956728Apparently the only thing humans need to live on that planet for good is an air filter system. Other planets have the wrong temperature or too much radiation or other hazards. And the plants and animals are filled with miracle medicine and resources. Nuking an Earth-like planet because cat-people don't like you is pants on head retarded
>>216952439In addition to their extreme handicap in range for no reason most of the time, everything the humans have used on Pandora have also been slow and unmaneuverable such that the Na'vi on banshees are the fastest combatants. They seemingly don't believe in planes just helicopters.
>>216953454there's nothing stopping them from tailoring a virus to kill their species
There wasn't enough new human tech in this movie. Every movie gave us cool tech and this just gave us a slightly bigger whaling ship.
>>216964072Except of course the law forbidding them from doing so
>Humans have ships that can travel near-lightspeed>Travel is safe enough to allow large-scale resource transfer>The natives of the planet are being slowly wiped away>In a very small region near the first outpost, an avatar driver goes rogue>Somehow manages to hold the humans hostage and makes them flee >It takes the humans five years to arrive back on planet, then five more years to prepare, and another five to return to Pandora>Somehow they simply aren't prepared for flying dragons>Somehow they don't have unmanned drones that run a script kiddie's image-detection model that zeroes in on ikran and shoots at them>Somehow this civilization that can set up an entire self-sufficient factory on an alien planet can't figure out killer dronesI like these movies and I've seen 1 and 2 over 20 times. But by all means, the humans should win.What I think SHOULD happen is that in the next movie, they show us that the humans have been secretly colonizing the other side of the planet for the last fifteen years with explicit orders AGAINST alerting the rogue avatar driver. And there's some weather anomaly or Eywa's commandment or whatever that doesn't allow travel between the two parts of the planet. So Jake and Co. "win", but then they discover that 50% of Pandora has already been taken over.
>>216964712speedwatcher kek
>>216964203>Every movieyou mean the one movie after the first one?
>>216955189>nigger they're in another fucking solar system. that's as interstellar as it gets.They are in the closest solar system. Literally next door. If we concentrated our resources TODAY we could have a colony there within our lifetimes. Their antimatter tech is dependent on scarce and expensive superconductors, hence the premise of the first movie: pandora has abundant, naturally occurring, room temperature superconductors. They have to use mining explosives and an improvised bomber in the first one because they're still heavily mass limited on what they can get across the void. With the materials mined prior to the their first expulsion, they were able to build more, better ships, hence the increased operation.
>>216951946Not even in 40k do they Exterminatus everything. They need planets to inhabit
>>216958037This is more of a reason for them not to give a fuck about the indigenous population. Not less.
>>216965427Half true. The only reason they don't exterminatus is if it's a valuable manufacturing world, or if there is something of value to be had. For basic shit like mining though? They'll viral bomb the entire planet and remove xenokebab in a few hours before sending down mining equipment. Not every planet needs to be colonized.
>>216958940>I don’t think even James Cameron realizes what a monumental scientific and engineering achievement it is to be able to travel all the way to Alpha Centauri in 6 years. It also probably means that humanity has mastered nuclear fusion. What could possibly be so bad on Earth?He does. The interstellar ships are some of the best in fiction.>what could be so bad on earthLack of superconductors and rent seeking.
>>216965496Okay so kill all life on Pandora and then you no longer have access to amarita, what's the next step of your master plan?
>>216965609Nigga I didn't watch these movies, all I know is they need magic space rock. Why would killing all life stop them from getting rocks?
>>216965621Amarita, the whale brain juice, stops human aging. Unobtanium is used to make mag-lev trains. One of these is more valuable than the other. Do you think the people who fund the RDA's operations on Pandora are going to want to give up being functionally immortal in exchange for uninterrupted acquisition of materials for more trains? Would you?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R64uB8-aGIU
>>216953404Is there any tactical advantage in putting the pilot cockpit right at the front and also made out of glass panes? Not to mention the exposed areas above and behind the head.
>>216965808>tacticalIt's not a weapon of war so no tactical considerations were made into its design. These things are used in whaling.
>>216958952>You are right that watching a movie about directing long range precision fires would be boring to watch.Not if done rightI love logistical calculation shit
>>216965723They said unobtanium is required for spaceflight, not trains. Also you can wipe out surface life without disturbing the oceans.
>>216965808Looks like the cockpits are designed primarily with visibility in mind. I think the suits were designed for utility like underwater construction. They’re shown taking part in the whaling operations earlier. I don’t think they’re combat vehicles by design.
>>216965847>They said unobtanium is required for spaceflight, not trains.Let's think about this for a minute. They need this thing that is only found on Pandora to travel through space... which is what they had to do to get to Pandora and find it in the first place.
>>216965621Then shut the fuck up and go back to your Marvel thread, retard
>>216965808All the vehicles in Avatar are either repurposed civilian construction equipment or mothballed old military tech.
>>216965867Yeah, that was one of the largest plot holes of the first movie? Are you slowly becoming aware of the fact you're watching garbage?
>>216965856>>216965883>>216965843I seethanks for the explanationIt kinda makes sense now.
>>216965896This is the same exact issue I had with Dune. Space travel is impossible without Guild Navigators, who run on Spice, but Spice is only found on Arrakis. Fucking hack sci-fi writers don't think about this shit for more than two seconds
>>216965252You bothered with a captcha just to expound on the concept of the number two?
>>216966000With Avatar, I assumed that the mineral (unobtanium....fucking stupid ass name btw) existed elsewhere, Pandora was just a honeypot of it. Like the difference of strip mining an entire planet to get an ounce of the stuff vs how abundant something like coal is on our planet.
>>216965867>>216965896It's not a plot hole, fucking idiots. It's literally explained that they got there slow speed first before discovering the Unobtanium. Goddamn it's idiocracy in here with morons too dumb for Avatar of all things.
>>216966149First it was for trains, now it IS required for space flight they just took the long way first? Also why didn't the ships change then between 1 and 2 if the mineral is so abundant enough that you can keep it on your desk like a trinket?It's not 'literally explained' it's told to midwits like yourself who can only sling insults when someone points out it's stupid.
>>216966182>Also why didn't the ships change then between 1 and 2NTA but why would the ships change?
>>216966216Because we have a lot more unobtanium now, shouldn't more efficient designs evolve from that?
>>216966238The time between Avatar 1 and 2 is what, 12 years? We had a ship go back 6 years, other ships fly back to Pandora for another 6. I just don't see what changes you're expecting to see on their design in that timeframe.
>>216966316That's dumb story telling then. Assuming the last ship returns with a hull full of magic space rocks, why wouldn't they make better ships before sending them back? We launched the Space shuttle 6 years after the last skylab launch, these aren't unimaginative timeframes.
>>216966385I checked the wiki and whaddya know, the ships in Way of Water are improved models that are designed to be capable of atmospheric entry, something the original ships couldn't do.https://james-camerons-avatar.fandom.com/wiki/Interstellar_Vehicle
>>216952997not bussin
>>216966619That's something at least. Also the beginning shows we are capable of absolutely annihilating the surface without touching the oceans. Why they didn't do that over a larger land mass is anyone's guess.
>>216951750Crab Mech would be safe inside a squid. The squid wouldn't be able to digest it and would die.
>>216966740You probably have no idea how big a planet is
>>216967021It's safe to say most scifi writers don't either. If we can't kill the navi why would we land our ships deadass in the middle of their civilization? Do they live on every inch of every continent? Do they have snow navi and desert navi and tundra navi and navi on every possible island? Is unobtanium only located at the base of one fucking tree on the entire planet?
>>216958952Beyond how those riflemen should devastate the navi, and how the shit about magnetic fields some bring up is just blatantly bullshit and absolutely wouldn't be stopping you from operating robots without creating radiation belt conditions that leave any human seizing up instantly or at minimum puking and shitting to death in minutes once walking around unshielded, meaning there should absolutely be lightning fast killbots and autoturrets (especially given we fucking see computers) and --Well you get the idea, beyond all that shit, i think we're skipping over some pretty patent absurdity when there was shit in the first film like throwing wooden spears through armored cockpits from animals somehow faster than the aircraft a society capable of interstellar travel and fusion.The society that builds this shit wouldn't even be setting up on the planet first, they'd be making unbelievably vast orbital infrastructure possibly even long before any humans show up and for sure when the vanguard is there.The society that builds this shit wouldn't be vulnerable to spears like that any more than a modern one already would(n't), and in fact they would likely be able to build that shit out of the mass produced industrial diamond (at minimum) they'd already have a large industry for just to handle interplanetary combat and economic needs long before interstellar travel is out there.The society that builds this shit, even if it has some sentimentality to humans or failures or bans of deeper advancement of neural nets... can build a fucking autoturret given we've already been able to build autoturrets since before the first film came out. Combat with the humans wouldn't look like fighting humans even if the EM interference is crazy, it'd be guys in a little armored vehicle nearby or suits of power armor who have dogbots and turrets that could kill identify and optionally kill navi in less time than a navi can twitch a muscle.
>>216965844>>216952439I've been thinking about this since the last /afag/. On the one hand: Realistically, the humans would use long range precision weapons and strategic bombing. On the other hand, the na'vi would realistically use their eywa super computer to get perfect, realtime ISR on every step any human walks, and also use the network for fast global communication. Jake and Quarritch would just sit in a bunker/cave somewhere and dictate strikes against vulnerable openings. But that doesn't work for the kind of movie Cameron wants to make and audiences want to see.
>>216967235Sounds like an exciting movie
>>216967474I'd watch the fuck out of that, you kidding?
>>216955189Theyre the same as us only they have cryosleepThose ships use a huge earth laser to push them over a measly 4 light years, a far cry from ayyniggers jumping 100 light years in an instant. Those engines only have enough for the return trip. WE COULD do the same it would just be stupidly expensive and we couldnt slow down to stay in that system.
>>216958755>Humans killing Na'vi with robots and the Na'vi having no chance is not a movie.To add to this: the primary function of movies is to deliver you an emotional experience, not provide you with a university lecture. You could finish most movies before the first scene if you assumed everyone operates with the same perfect hindsight, analyzes everything perfectly, and executes flawlessly. Demanding that everything must operate the same way that it would in a contemporary setting and every decision is perfectly optimal is silly autistic pedantry.For clarity: it's okay to question premises, but at least be aware that every time you do so, you inject your own. The premise of the movie is that humans do not want to wage absolute war, and they're not perfect strategists with perfect execution. Trying to argue about "why aren't they doing everything perfectly the way that I would have if I were there" presumes they must share your vision of what should be done, and also that your vision itself has no negatives. It's easy to poke holes in any movie plot (or in fact, any real world historical event) with "well, but if X had simply happened, none of that would have taken place!" Yes, indeed, it wouldn't, but it did.
I marathoned the camrip up until the scene in which Quaritch is walking towards the fire tribe's area.The haters are fucking delusional. This movie is amazing.
>>216956715at
>>216951698why not do this to those apeshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBfo87raroE
>>216956874>The unobtainium is never even mentioned again after the first movie.Which is a massive plot hole. What's the reason for the 3rd movie then? Magic volcanic ash?
>>216967856This. It’s even better in theaters too.
>>216967973Still whale brain juice. Even thoug the very beginning of A2 shows humans can just scan their brain, download it into a cloned ody and live forever.And later the discovery of the fungus symbiont in Spider, that would allow them to walk around without masks.
>>216956874What do you think they were mining then?
>>216968154>download it into a cloned ody and live forever.If I cloned you, would you be okay with me killing you if the clone got all your stuff and got to pretend it was you? Would that be okay for you? Your consciousness doesn't just magically jump over to the clone, it's a new person. When you die, you'll be dead forever, while the clone goes on living its own life.
>>216951698>We have to goto pandora to get the crabsalts. Its unfortunate the Navi are there but they dont have to be so mean. We need the salts.
>>216968154>and live foreverNo they can't. They said a dozen times that it's not Quaritch anymore. You're too damn stupid for an Avatar movie. Impressive.
>>216968292>>216968513An old man would just climb in a pod, get mind transferred and wake up the next day in a young, fit body. The old body gets euthanized with gas. Yes, that's a very good deal. I would take that immediately to get a healthy body without my disabilities.
>>216968733You wouldn't get shit. You'd die in the pod. Your copy would live but you would be dead. It is not the same thing as what Sully did with the mind transference tree magic nonsense.
>>216965621OF COURSE the fucking 40kfaggot doesn't watch movies on the TELVISION AND FILM board. You niggers need to be banned.
>>216969092You didn't watch it either.
>>216951698Hey, bros. I got a quick question: is way of wader worth a watch?
>>216969135Probably not if you're not SUPER into whale watching. A3 is basically just a better remake of A2, not even memeing.
>>216969112I've seen all 3 and read the comics
>>216966000Wrong. Space navigation was possible before the guild with the use of thinking machines and the BG knew about spice and Arrakis probably since before the Jihad. The guild on Tupile found out about the spice through the BG and adopted it for their own purposes. Keep in mind that spice makes you live longer and is addictive so it's extremely valuable even without the guild needing it to fold space.
>>216969135It's basically the worldbuilding for this movie. A lot of things will be confusing or borderline incomprehensible if you don't see it first.>>216969240That is an overstatement. Yes, there are similar things in both, like there's a big battle at the end, and humans and Na'vi and the tulkun are taking part in it, but that's about as general as it gets. A3 expands on a lot of what was set up in A2. They are similar, don't get me wrong, but to say that A3 is a remake is too far.
>>216958090(you) And your fellow tourists don't even know about the clankening
>>216967474chuds dont want interesting movies, they want HOI lets plays where the player character steamrolls the opponent
>>216968831>It's not the same thing There's no leaving your own meat computer buddy, Jake's dead, his golem just persists.
>>216951946He's only interesting in having the white man with powder weapons vs the native americans but in space with his OC blue sex aliens. Next you'll ask why the culture of future Earth is like the 90s.
