so uhh what was this guys deal?
>>216960683you're thinking of howie mandel. this is a different bald guy who doesn't make deals
>>216960683>so uhh what was this guys deal?He’s the Devil.
>>216960683It wasn't quite his tempo.
>>216960683The Chinese school of thought. Abuse makes better learners. Obviously life is more nuanced that that. Some people need tough love sure, but if someone threw a chair at me I'd ram it up their asshole
>>216960683Fucking nutjob.
>>216960818like in a uhh slow, sensual, jazzy way ???
Say what you want about extremely strict grading and skill requirements but anyone who is willing to take physical abuse from their teacher is a cuck who is allowing their Jazz God to enjoy a power trip at their expense.
>>216960683He says it pretty clearly in the movie numbnuts.
>>216960772This. The deal is that you accept his abuse in the name of fostering talent. The Faustian part of the bargain is that no one is ever good enough to live up to his standards. The only exception is the MC, who beats him in the only way the Devil can be beaten: by tricking him in the final concert. You could argue something about how the MC developed comradery with the band or a true creativity or, worst of all, a talent that somehow met The Devil's standards, but it's not until the MC wins the audience over and forces the Devil to save face that he truly admits defeat.
>>216960683he was a little too into the prison stuff
>>216960683bald.
>>216960683He was just a power-tripping retard who enjoyed abusing teenagers. This tactic doesn't even work when training soldiers. Building trust and loyalty is way more effective.
>erm actually Im conducting the song at 174 bpm and you’re playing at 175 bpmthis guy should’ve necked himself
Usual boomer treatment of the young
>>216961169With those biceps he could have abused me all he wanted.
>>216960683This is just not a thing irl. If you behave like this guy on a regular basis you end up ruined.
>>216962500Crazy the amount of retards that still buys into the whole narrative of "le abuse is the only way to achieve greatness".
>>216962898Abuse is the only way to achieve true greatness. Music is a skill. Killing people is not. Soldiers are retarded.
>>216962898Yeah, like every military institution since the dawn of civilization. Where does this millennia-old notion that it takes constant adversity and testing one's limits to build discipline and exceling to new heights?
>>216960683He was an old bluesman who sold his soul to the devil to get reincarnated as a White guy so he could bully a bunch of fruity theater kids.
>>216960683he was eternally mad he wasn't in the superior drum movie.
>>216963482In the military it's to weed out people too weak to perform their tasks and break the rest down into robot bitches who follows orders without questioning. It isn't about training at all. IDK about Jazz but a lot of Classical guitar "elite" teachers are completely abusive fags.
>>216963438That's why they abuse soldiers not musicians.
>>216960683It’s fucked up that if you ever imply that this movie is motivational in any way the twitter will crucify you.
>>216960683He just motivated his students to become better musicians by being confident in their abilities. Teller was not a bad drummer, but being unable to stand up to Simmons when he was ridiculing him made him a B-tier musician at best. Until he got fed up and tried to one up his teacher, that showed ballsHe did nothing wrong.
>>216960818And if I was the leader of a team and some kid threw a chair back at me, hes getting a promotion
>>216963546Based
>>216960683>The next Charlie Parker would never be discouraged.this is irrefutable even if jazz is pure shit
>>216960683one of the funnier parts of the movie is the MC wanting to sacrafice his life to become a great musician because people still talk about some random jazz musician who overdosed or something instead of footballer players or whatever the comparison was. nigga I don't know any musicians name except for pop stars and mozart because I get recommended youtube shorts from the movie amadeus
>>216963546My little brother had this poster hanging on his wall, but he used a sharpie to write “Nigger Stickz” on the drumsticks.We had a black exterminator come in once and he just stared at the poster for a while and then moved on
>>216960683He was a failed musician who demanded a level of greatness from his students he himself could never achieve.
>>216964296Your brother just gave me hiccups from laughing too hard.
>>216961231>MCI was following until you said this. What is an MC in this context?
>>216960683first job after spending the most part of his life in a supermax prisonyou'd be pretty tense too
>>216965969Main character.
>>216960728
He was a failed musician who could not live in to his own standards. He was like the protag who idolized the romanticism of being one of the greats, but he could never rise up to achieve that perceived greatness. His lashing out was his own insecurity. He was jealous of young talent because they still had a chance. All of his talk about fostering talent through adversity is bullshit. Abusers say anything to justify their behavior.
>>216960683The teacher naturally had the drive to be the best in music. He also liked abusing people. The two are independent of one another. A person can be only driven, or only abusive, or both.The movie showed how people excuse awful behavior because "well, they do a good job."100% of people would say the conductor was too harsh and should be corrected. Yet every day, we let abusers run wild. We don't report abusive bosses. We don't report abusive spouses and parents. We don't report abusive coworkers. We don't report abusive police. We don't report abusive teachers. We don't report abusive politicians.We have a culture of learned helplessness. I'm not saying "baww we're all snowflake victims." If you pay for health insurance, and at the last minute, they deny your claim for a nonsense reason, that is abuse. But good working people aren't driven to stop the abuse. And the abusers are driven to continue the abuse. >tldrThe movie would've been 20 minutes if everybody in the orchestra went to the dean and said "Yeah I witnessed this guy throw a metal object at a musician. Please criminally charge him, or I will file a report myself." But in society, there are people who actually think that response is soft or liberal or weak or whatever. People co-sign their own abuse.
Whiplash is an over the top sports coach movie converted into jazz theme to feel more pretentious. In real life a guy like that would get kicked off because most students are children of rich fucks that would sue him to the ground.
>>216964044>Charlie ParkerHe never had an abusive teacher he learned from his friend Robert Simpson.
>>216964296kek
The instant this fuck started his screaming, chair-throwing bullshit, every student in the class would be filming him and he'd go viral and be ruined.>Well, uh, he wouldn't like that and smash all their phones, or tell them to put their phones away or he'd fail them allThey would either A) film even harder or B) still inform their parents, and this being a bunch of rich kids, at least one of their parents would believe them and sue the school.
