It feels like Dredd 2012 completely misses the point of Judge Dredd. Dredd 95 understood that Dredd is a satire of fascism and fascist thinking. A mockery of Thatcher-era British and Reagan-era American politics. Dredd himself wears an absolutely ridiculous costume. His devotion to THE LAW is absurd, not aspirational.
You know you're talking to a juvenile fanboy when they bring up the mask thing
>>216962874Meh.
You're right, the shitty movie is better than the good one
>>216962874How are Thatcherism and Reaganism fascist? Fascism and neoliberalism conceive of society completely differently
>RECYCLED FOOD IS GREAT FOR THE PLANET, AND OKAY FOR YOU!The onions reboot could never hope to have dialogue like that.
>>216962935That's actually a really.good question.and the answer kinda aligns with this.https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/2p91zr/how_could_margaret_thatcher_a_conservative_and/How on earth is V for Vendetta an attack on Thatcher? The answer is that it's... sorta projection. It's less about what Thatcher actually did and where people thought her policies were leading. I.e. to fascism.
It doesn't matter, you'll never get a character like Dredd on film accurately, it just won't happen or he satisfying.Fortunately he translated very well into video games, and 40k refined the concept even better.
>>216962874This is like 40k. Something that was made to be corny and, somehow, satitical ended up being the coolest shit ever
>>216962874There are few things sadder than people latching onto things and making their whole personality championing that one turd.
>>216962874>Heh, remember this thing you liked? It was ackually making fun of the thing you actually liked! Bet you felt OWNED now huh!god i hate this shit just let me enjoy the thing you stupid fucks
Dredd 95 didn't understand jack shit other than feeding Stallone's ego and failing at it. Danny Cannon is a spineless hack director and all the cool Dredd things in his movie were wasted potential.
>>216962935By "fascism" these people don't mean a literal WWII European facist regime, they usually mean an intolerant society ruled by iron first that supress any divergent thoughts or actions...Oh! And they also must be conservative/capitalist. If for some reason that tyranny happens to have left wing ideals then it's liberating and based
>>216962874I feel like you're just saying buzzwords. Dredd 95 might've gotten the tone right but it changed Dredd from an anti hero to a good guy.
>>216963386Dredd adaptations are always going to.soften Dredd himself in the same.way James Bond adaptations downplay him being a racist alcoholic bitch-slapper.
>>216963386This.The only thing Dredd 95 did right was the tone and world building... and it's something to praise. I'm sure the one in charge of the decoration and designs was a hardcore Dredd fan. But that's it, Dredd wasn't Dredd at all. The director probably turned him into your typical hero that does the right things, save the day, is loved by everyone and gets the girl because he probably thought that comic Dredd, as a character, wasn't comercial enough.2012 Dredd doesn't match the comic tone like the 95 one did, but Dredd really feels like Dredd, which is the entire point of the comic btw.
>>216962874Spot onJudge Dredd is supposed to be funny. Dredd 2012 isn't funny. It's Dredd in name only
>>216962874Megacity One has UBI
>>21696322840k was made as a shitty Dredd ripoff designed to sell toys. Judge Dredd is actually good.
>>216963776>40k was made as a shitty [INSERT ANY pre 40k SCIFIC EXISTING FRANCHISE] ripoff mixed with Tolkien designed to sell toys.Fixed
>>216962874There's no fascism in Judge Dredd, nor in Thatcher, nor in Reagan. None of these things are fascist...
Shut the fuck up
>>216963541Dredd '95 was going to be very accurate to the comics at first, but during that time in Hollywood, the action stars had more pull with executives than the directors and producers. Stallone kept forcing changes, such as the helmet, the goofy sidekick, getting the girl, etc, because he was the main draw of the movie - not Dredd.
>>216963865Cool. Are you also gonna explain us decimate means killing 1/10 and not recking your enemy?
>>216962874the humour and satire in dredd's stories was always shitty and overplayed.it was good that the karl urban movie avoided that stuff.
>>216962934>You're right, the shitty movie is better than the good one/tv/ in a nutshell.>EVERY SHITTY MOVIE MADE BEFORE 2010 IS UNDERRATED SOVLFUL KINO!! NOBODY CAN APPRECIATE THE GENIUS OF JAR JAR BINKS AND MISSION IMPOSSIBLE 2!!
>>216963776Games Workshop and 2000 AD shared a lot of writers in the 80s dummy.
>>216962874>a satire of fascism and fascist thinkingYawn, this old trope again
>>216962935Capitalism consolidates power in such a way that any capitalist regime that does not relinquish power will inevitably embrace fascism, the same way monarchies become absolutist monarchies. Thatcher and Reagan legalized corporate consolidation over popular consolidation, and projected their problems outward while repressing speech internally. Those are essential steps towards proper fascism, ending with total corporate and military control of the state. This even happens in social democracies, like Weimar Germany, which immediately begin succumbing to fascist tendencies because they do not address the core problem of power consolidation. In that sense, socialism isn't really about free stuff, it's about broadening the domain of democracy into business and military.
>>216964127Fake news. Brett Ewins (Bad Company) did some art for their games and and John Wagner wrote kaleb daark with him but that was really it up until Warhammer Monthly and Inferno! which was in the early 90s/late 2000s.
>>216964204It can be very cool when excecuted properly.Nothing better than a ruthless, hateful and uncompromusing retard that sticks to his principes no matter what
>>216964340sorry I meant to say late 90s early 2000s obviously
>But helmet )^:<Comic book fanboys are retarded.
>>216962934literally how is Dredd 95 a shitty movie?
>>216963059The left always thinks everything is leading to fascism.Except for their own fascism, ironically.
>>216964418The goofy sidekick
>>216962874Stallone Dredd IS a jokehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHEOvzYP7yUNuff said
>>216964476You liked him when he was the exact same character in Demolition Man.
>>216964093its more that in the 80s and 90s there were so many good movies coming out there was really only time to watch the great ones. now that nothing but shit is coming out, there's time to watch the good ones.
>>216962874Sure, a middle ground when it comes to the movies would be nice; but when push comes to shove, I'd rather have more overly serious Dredd than whatever Taika Waititi is going to do.
They can't make a comic accurate Dredd movie, because it's basically just a depiction of the modern world and it's not even that over the top compared to real life.Making any kind of a comic accurate movie would be cancelled as hate speech and we know that modern mainstream appealing Hollywood won't do anything that ruffles up any feathers, especially when it comes to these crazies.It's extremely fucked up how out of all of the future predictions the over the top satirical comic was most accurate.
>>216964519anon this is the "goofy sidekick" in demolition manthe most you can say for rob schneider is that he's in demolition man
>>216962874>Thatcher>fascist
>>216962874So is it a mockery of fascism, or a mockery of Thather and Reagan?
>>216964589what part of "trickle down economics" isn't fascist, in your eyes?
>>216964334And yet 99% of socialists would disregard democracy before theyd disregard the free stuff.
>>216964624Any of it? I may not agree with it entirely as a policy but words have meanings and im not seeing the overlap
>>216964699so giving special rights and favors to a specific class of people while everyone else must live off their excrement isn't fascism. okay.
>>216964476>The goofy sidekickThis. Dredd NEVER had goofy sidekicks in the comi-
Yeah "let people make lots of money and not pay taxes" isn't really fascist at all. That's completely beside the point of what fascism is.A fascist government wouldn't have thrown the working class to the wind, to the extent that Thatcher did.
>>216964816How is that fascism?
>>216964699Fascist means "someone I don't like."
>>216964632Most socialists haven't read their history, but socialism should meet the needs of the people within the state. In the US, because inequality is so profound despite being industrialized, it would be more effective to socially fund and distribute resources than to merely bring costs permanently down, like in the Soviet Union.
>>216964897ya know, i don't know. the definition of fascism is pretty tightly intertwined with the behavior of nazi germany, where the people of occupied countries had basically zero rights and germans were an elevated class afforded the freedom to do what they wanted with other people's property, and completely removed from any sort of originally proposed definition.
>>216962874>WOWWWIE ZOWWIIE LITERALLY NOTHING COULD EVER BE WORSE THAN AN AUTHORITARIAN POLICE STATE AND ANYONE THAT ACTUALLY WANTS AN AUTHORITARIAN POLICE STATE IN ANY CIRCUMSTANCE ARE SO LUDICROUSLY INSANE AND RIDICULOUS THEY COULD ONLY EXIST IN SATIRE!!!Makes sense that this kind of sentiment would only come from the mind of a pampered 1970s western boomer living a life of such privilege and safety they couldn't possibly imagine that anyone could ever want anything other than liberal democratic soft-touch freedomville.Meanwhile ask the people of El Salvador how they feel about their authoritarian police state, now that two dozen of them aren't being skinned alive by narco scum every day.
The Dredd comic changed throughout the years to the point where even Dredd himself having doubts and even brought reforms to the Jusge system which I think 2012 reflected. However I think 1995 did have the colorful look of megacity that the comics never lost and honestly my biggest issue with 95 is that Stallone doesnt sell it as Dredd. He sounds too goofy even if he nailed the look. I dont even care about the helmet. Karl Urban with 95s plot would be a better movie. Urban just needs to shout louder.
Marx:>communism is the inevitable future, and once it starts, it will defeat weak capitalism and take over purely by sheer forceIRL:>communism got RECKED by capitalism because the later was strongerHow do marxists reconcile this? And don't come up with "they played unfair" bullshit. If Marx writings were right we would all be living on a communist utopia right now.
>>216965367I AM THE RAW
>>216965416for me its>communism can't work because there aren't enough resources>by the way we need to print more money because there isn't enough to keep capitalism running otherwise
>>216965416Every country has its own path. Marx said that the work is to only guide a revolution down the path it would necessarily go. To orthodox Leninist ideology, the Soviet Union failed because they dismantled the workers' councils, put all power under the Party, the Party became corrupt, and moved the country to market liberalization and imperialism. Those final steps guaranteed its failure.
>>216965302That's not what fascism means.That's just an aristocracy.
>>216965468The fall of communism is unironically the worst thing that happens to capitalism.At least before they had a competitor and needed to keep the population happy and do the right things, because otherwise they could revolt and join the URSS.Now the system is degenerating on its own indulgence and lack of motivation.
>>216963699>Judge Dredd is supposed to be funny.Satire doesn’t necessitate the story to be overtly funny
>>216965542>that's not what fascism means, that's just what happened when fascist countries conquered other countries
>>216965302Every empire, kingdom etc did all of these things. Humans were like this 99% of the time up until recent history
>>216965620Sure but Judge Dredd is supposed to be funny
>>216965646Okay, explain how Thatcher's Britain was fascist then. When all it did was shit on it's own citizens, and sell parts of Britain off to foreigners.
>>216965557its more that capitalism only worked at all because there was a massive supply of free labor, of all skill levels, from communist countries. this applies to any type of economy, of course. there needs to be massive amounts of people working for nothing in order for a civilization to function. that's why they've been trying so hard to get india onto the global market. but they're all retarded. this is also why they're pushing for AI so hard, to replace people.
>dredd is based>therefore it's satireyikes much?
>>216965708wasn't she still all for colonialism?
>>216965755If you mean invading and taking more territory, no. Not particularly.If you mean the Falklands, that was Argentina invading a British territory, that wanted to remain a British territory.
>>216965688The absurdities are funny. 95 and 2012 have completely different approaches to depicting those absurdities.
>>216964334You probably think the corporation in ‘corporatism’ refers to private enterprise in the capitalist sense
>>216964875>wouldn't have thrown the working class to the windThatcher had no real choice, because there was no real alternative.If instead of going by the public perception you actually look into the economics of the time, it was simply becoming completely non viable to dig up coal or to manufacture things at home.We're talking about local British manufacturing trying to compete with Bangladeshi slave labor tier manufacturing and there's just no way you can win.Coal per ton cost I think £40 mined locally, where as imported from Australia it was like £20. That difference when it comes to energy production cost is simply too radical to ignore. Only way to keep the industries alive, would have been eternal massive subsidies for the mining sector and you'd have been subsidizing completely dead end sectors at that point.Taxes were already on the rise at the time and the permanent subsidies would have made it infinitely worse.As always the most important thing in this picture is the consumer.The average person can say this or that about ideological stuff and how they want to support local industry, but at the end of the day you, me and our neighbors will always choose the cheaper product.UK simply had the problem of being a very low end manufacturing and commodity driven system, during an era when these sectors started getting their asses kicked by vastly cheaper nations and this happened fast.UK did try all kinds of stuff, but basically failed in every subject aside from the finance sector, which already had deep roots.Biggest mistake was not going hard into semiconductors, because there was an industry there, it just never took off the way it should have.
>>216965831she didn't have to take free milk away from the kiddies, tbf.
>>216965535Every form of government needs a high authority to keep retards, dissidents, corrupts and overambicious people in check.Who controls, keeps in check and organize those councils?And if your anwser is any form of anarchism then you are foundamentaly retarded.
>>216962874I am extremely sad that we'll never get a Judge Dredd sequel set in Texas City with a practical miniature Texas Megacity
>>216964334>Those are essential steps towards proper fascism, ending with total corporate and military control of the state.That's the opposite of fascism.
>>216962874>telepath woman gets captured>doesn’t get raped or tortured in Dredd-verse where criminals are the most depraved in human history Yeah I don’t get it either
>>216965831The flipside being, if performing necessary tasks for a country to survive doesn't provide people with sufficient resources to, ya know, live, and it can't be done in a way where people can survive doing it, then the problem isn't the task, its everything surrounding the task.
>>216962944The reboot is just better in every other aspect
>>216965868>>216965868>>216965987Fascists doing disinfo, as always
>>216966057you mean where its just a basic sci-fi action movie were cops kill criminals for petty crimes? a movie that just ignores how harsh penalties for crimes only encourages criminals to be more vicious?
>>216965831Does the UK like literally ANY Prime Minister? Thatcher seemed good just because she got some stuff done and I am just an ignorant American who wasn't alive then bye.Starmer still seems like a cunt though.
>>216966082Commie unable to anwser the question, as always
>>216962874don't think that was satire. judge dredd will a sad fatso off a building.
>>216964334>will inevitablyMeet Potential Fascist Man. Always inevitable, but never is. You utter fucking child.
>>216966181>if you don't stop attempting suicide I'll kill you
>>216965307>Meanwhile ask the people of El Salvador how they feel about their authoritarian police stateFor what reason? They have no free speech and are basically zombie brown people.
>>216966096People pretend to like Churchill, but would probably hate him if he was alive.People didn't especially despise John Major. He was just a seat warmer, who filled the space between Thatcher and Blair.
>>216962874Nothing about Dredd 95 has anything to do with satirizing "fascism". It's a dumb action movie where Stallone plays a quippy wise cracking action movie star in a Dredd costume.
>>216966350They voted him out as soon as they were able.Then Labour dropped the ball so hard he got back in again.
>>216966350>Bl*irI've never wanted to punch anyone more in my life
>>216962935Leftists have very low IQs
>>216966263the press should only ever "wimper," at best. their job should never extend beyond making what happens public. otherwise you end up with the glorified reality tv we have now, which wouldn't cover what happened at Waco at all because they'd just regurgitate the official police statements of the events if they reported on it at all.
>>216966442Blair is metaphysically evil.
>>216966087>harsh penalties for crimes only encourages criminals to be more viciousSource?
>>216966441To be fair Churchill wasn't the kind of guy you want running your country unless you're on a severe war crisis
>>216966087Worked for Robespierre
>>216962934Kek
>>216966508It's complete bullshit. The main reason crime is so common now is that we stopped hanging people by the neck if they acted like violent niggers.
>>216964816Fascism is the consolidation of state and corporate power, typically under the guise of hypernationalism. In Germany the state ate the corporate powers, in the US the corporate powers ate the the state. It started way before Reagan, but he was the accerationalist along woth Bill Clinton.
>>216963220MANDATED EDICT: 20 years on the chanz
>>216966510I have to agree and I like him a lot.Puts me in the outs with both /pol/ and leftypol.
>>216966633Fear/terror is indeed the quickest and most efective way to keep animals in check.The problem with this system is that the medicine oftenly ends up becoming worse than the disease.
>>216966663doesn't that make Reagan the opposite of a fascist though?The corporations were not brought in line with the state. They were allowed to grow past it.
>>216966633The logic is pretty clean, though. Take an extreme example, like hypothetically burglaries. If the punishment for burglary is low enough that you don't really care that you get caught, you don't really care about witnesses etc., either. If the punishment is made very extreme, then you start caring about witnesses. If you make the punishment extreme enough that committing a burglary is as bad as killing someone, you're just gonna kill anyone in your way because why not.I still think punishments should be extreme anyway, personally, because almost all the crime is done by a very tiny minority of criminals, and permanently removing those is good in my book. But you can see how e.g., tolerating a guy committing petty crimes his whole life without anything truly being done to stop him, can be better than making him kill someone before you then kill him.
>>216963313>Oh! And they also must be conservative/capitalist. If for some reason that tyranny happens to have left wing ideals then it's liberating and basedlmao someone didn't watch Demolition Man
>>216966633Crime has statistically been on steady decline for decades at this point but people like this fuck are so stupid and afraid of their own shadow that they advocate for policies that don’t curb crime, just throw money at the prison-industrial complex
Good satire has always been oriented towards intelligent people. You can call stuff like Judge Dredd, Warhammer, Starship Troopers etc shallow and childish if you like, that's your opinion, but they're full of obscure historical and literary references for a reason, they were oriented towards a specific type of nerd, a nerd who possesses enough basic intelligence to recognize satire without it literally being explained to him. Nowadays normies are forcing their way into these fanbases and demanding "You need to make it CLEAR that this is satire, you need to EXPLAIN it directly to the audience that these bad people doing bad things are bad, maybe have a story about a bunch of boring ass heroic protagonists rebelling against the evil setting?"Fuck you. If you don't have enough media literacy to recognize that not everything you see depicted in fiction is meant to be a utopian ideal without it being explained to you then you shouldn't be allowed to voice an opinion on it.
>>216966769>they were allowed to grow past itThat's the problem. Fascism in the wiemar or in the US isn't the result of a singular ideologue. It's emergent.
>>216962874>muh satireWhy is it everytime leftists make satire they accidentally make it the coolest thing ever? Dredd is based and I don't care what some plebbit retard thinks.
>>216962874I don't think either of the movies really "get" the comics, but the newer one at least works as a macho action movie. The old one doesn't work on any level.
>>216963776Judge Dredd comics are dogshit, there it had to be said
>>216967008>if state subjets corporations, it's facism>if corporations subjet the state, it's facismSoooo "facism" is just corporativism?
>>216966948>Crime has statistically been on steady decline for decades at this pointNot around here.
>>216966800But we also have extreme crimes that aren't being punished. That argument doesn't hold, unless we're specifcally talking about extreme penalties for non-extreme crimes.
>>216964624>everything I don't like is fascism
>>216966948In places were you've had sub-human races for long enough maybe. Not here.
>>216966800>almost all the crime is done by a very tiny minority of criminalsthat only holds if you have a very narrow definition of crime. In North Carolina cops will pull a u-turn across lanes of traffic if they see someone not wearing a seatbelt, because the penalty is that severe. A mile north the penalty is so minor cops will forget to write it when they pull people over. Then some nigger judge will pat himself on the back for how 90% of people wear seatbelts in Virginia because most traffic tickets in Virginia don’t have an accompanying seatbelt ticket. Point being the vast majority of charges are pointless busywork to get fines to funnel money to the state.
>>21696377640k is more Nemesis than Dredd.
>>216967158>he thinks violations are crimesPlease tell me you don't vote
>>216967122>extreme crimes that aren't being punishedpretty sure im going to regret asking this, but such as?
>>216967100Another social democrat state failing to resist the lure of fascism
>>216967182Murder, rape murder/rape, and so on.
>>216962874>A mockery of Thatcher-era British and Reagan-era American politics.doesn’t matter if it’s zoomer manlets or mill chads… will never not be funny when a cartoon virgin tries and give DEPTH to their cartoons.
>>216967179So narrow definition it is then. Is your personal line at the dollar value of the fine or the class?
>>216967158>that only holds if you have a very narrow definition of crimewhat? no, that's universally true. almost everything is done by a tiny minority of people. the paredo distribution or whatever. 80% of the alcohol is consumed by 20% of people, 80% of extremely retarded posts made by 20% of shitposters, etc. it's the same for everything. except maybe taking shits, I guess. 80% of the shitting is probably not done by 20% of the shitters. although, who knows. it actually might be. someone should be given a grant to conduct a study on that.
>>216967094To and extent but the state taking over the corporate arm of the society manifests itself differently than the inverse.
>>216964127And artists
>>216967238I see, you fell for the “reported incidences = all incidences” maymay, despite being given an example where reported incidences aren’t representative.
>>216967238>can't spell pareto correctly>believes in it inherentlyI see you've done your homework lol
>>216967227By definition a violation is not a crime, that's why you cannot be arrested and sent to jail for a traffic violation. You can be arrested and sent to jail if they see you breaking the law (bloody dead hooker in the back seat, big bag of drugs on the dash, etc).
>>216967247Then you agree they are not the same thing.Fascism really would be a dictatorship with all power centralized on one dude/party with conservative/capitalist themes.Like it or not, current Western democracies aren't facism and calling them so makes you like a redneck inbreed that calls anything or anyone he doesn't like gommunism
>>216962874>the FASCISM BAD bongshit writers who wrote Dredd unironically support imprisoning people for mean tweets2012 Dredd did the right thing and ignored the inherent hypocrisy of the shitty comic. The bongs who made it knew people just wanted to watch a great action movie; not preachy wokeslop. Leave that shit in the comic where it belongs.
This millennial trend of complaining about “the Reagan era” is exhausting. It’s trickledown propaganda stemming from boomers that want to apologize for Jimmy Carter, one of the worst presidents ever. There is nothing “fascist” about the Reagan admin, he was just extremely popular and that worries a certain sort. Anyway, Reagan’s greatest crime was ruining Californian demographics and in extension the entire country Judge Dredd isn’t some insightful commentary, he’s a parody of a superhero. He’s meant to be entertaining and satirical
>>216967347What if you don't pay the ticket! What then woke moralists!!!>wash your penis
>>216963313>an intolerant society ruled by iron first that supress any divergent thoughts or actions...sounds like communism to me
>>216967389>nonargumentI'm sorry you're bitter that you're wrong. I'm sure reacting like a retarded spastic is helping your case.
>>216967347You answered class, by the way. As reckless driving is also a “violation” that can result in an arrest
>>216967369>then you agree they aren't the same thingA lion and a houscat are both Felidae low iq anon, even if they aren't the same thing.
>>216967405I'm not even the person you were bickering with I just made a jordan peterson joke you soft faggot lol
>>216967396The difference is how they run the economy and ideologies.But yeah, both are ruthless dictatorships.
>>216967380>nothing fascist about the Reagan adminLol, you have no idea what Iran contra is do you, you dumb faggot bitch
>>216967008Then it's not fascism?
>>216967414Wreckless driving can get you arrested if you do it in a state that treats it as a crime. Did you know different states have different laws? Congratulations retard.>>216967454>my retarded response is okay because I'm a different personI don't know who that person is and I don't care.
>>216967433But you keep insisting that the lion is a housecat!I agree both have capitalist economies and are Felidae though
>>216963905I went to Dredd to see why Wizard Magazine kept telling me he was cool. I thought that movie was what Dredd was. I had no idea how the evil Judges would fit into the movie's universe though. It also gave me an appreciation of Armand Assante. But yeah, compared to reading Dredd, it's Sylvester Stallone playing as Sylvester Stallone the Clone whose prime directive is getting the "I am the Law" catchphrase over.
>>216967512You cared enough to respond you soft nufaggot lol
>>216967509Then what's not fascism? A Ford model A and a Testerosa are very different things but are both automobiles.
>>216967547So you're going all in on the spastic retard? Bold move champ.
>>216967572Fascism is something that is planned and executed. It doesn't just "emerge".
>>216967598>fascism is something that is planned and executedNo fascism is something that is permitted.
>>216967684>fascism is when bad people I don't like, aren't actively forced to do a communismThat's not what it is, thoever
>>216967684>I'm oFF to fiTe dA naZeeEs!
>>216967713Strawman away you dumb faggot
>>216967721We don't post selfie here sperging anon
>>216967756The thing is, I think Fascism is an actual ideology, not just a vague term for whenever I see things I don't like.If you mean "aggression" or "toxicity", you can just say that. Why does everything have to specifically be "Fascism"?This is why no one takes you people seriously. You're the boy who cried wolf.
>>216967512Not sure why you’re so angry about learning you distinguish between “violation” and “crime” by the class of the violation. Did you think you had some sort of deeper understanding of the criminal justice system?
bash the fa-AACK!!
>>216967684Leaving retarded “any system I don’t like” buzzwords aside, facism actually was a consequence. A consequence to the rise of communism. A doble down on tradicionalism and autoritanism to face a new regime they found scary and icky.
>>216967804Fascism isn't an actual ideology, that's why you're dumb. You've been ruined by radical centrist bullshit. Fascism is mostly an aesthetic and smokescreen for a transition of power. They don't believe in anything but results (legally codifying the power of the market and the military over the state). There is no historical vision or political theory. It's about control.
>>216967804I have listed two things ITT that I considered fascism and gave a specific definition, the consolidation of state and corporate power. >>216967851See above but fascism and communism aren't a response to eachother, they were a response to hypercapitalism and it's failings. Capitalism, when unregulated will create the preconditions for communist, fascist and other reform movements
>my ideology is being a retarded cocksucking loser>and>Im gunna beat you up if you don't like it >>216967961>actually you're not a real fascist, let me explain..>that's okay, please face the wall now
>>216968004You just proved him correct
>>216968004You are a real fascist because you don't believe in anything.
>>216967961Fascism is an actual ideology coined by no other than Mussolini to overthrown those weak democracies and face communism.Just be honest and admit it's a word you use to define anything non communist, because it was worse connotations than "capitalism".
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>>216962874>actually this thing that made fascism look rockin was a SATIRE Sorry but when your world is a dystopian shithole you shouldn't be allowed due process. Judges don't have time to deal with you pleading insanity.
>>216964864Walter was written out after the 'incident' tbpf
>>216964334I hate materialist critical analysis so much, it always ends up being totally ahistorical and non empirical
>>216966310yup.
>>216965987Imperial Japan was less a government and more a feuding military force in charge of a country, but whether or not it was actually fascist or their own asian blend of styles is up for academic debate. In general though, fascism is hard to define outside of some kind of authoritarian government, given that the fascist regimes of the 20th century had numerable differences, and that being so broad it renders even that criterion useless.
>>216968159In a panopticon you really don't need trials since ideally every crime is on video. AI has ruined that version of the future, but if you remember the darrell brooks trial there were hundreds of thousands of Americans questioning the foundations of the justice system since the evidence was so overwhelming and the trial just amounted to a week's long flaunting of his crimes in front of the victims to the point it seemed cruel and unusual to the injured party.
>>216968265Meh fascism has its hallmarks downstream from its foundations, but that's why it's so misappropriated. >you don't like our failing for profit universities >fucking fascists always go after higher education
>>216968087Mussolini's ideology was dressing up as a soldier, paying people to beat other people up, and jerking off to Futurist art. He would say anything to legitimize himself.>>216968201>Historical analysis that explains how things that actually happened occurred, and accurately predicts the future, is ahistoricalI'd be willing to hear out a real counterargument to Materialism if I believed you had one outside of vague allusions to "spirits" and "great men"
>>216968201>this thing that’s happening right now and progressing along predictable avenues isn't happening because it hasn’t happened already
>>216968265I think the most fair definition would be nu-absolutism. A new and more modern (and efficient?) form of your classical monarchy run by an absolute autocrat.
>>216965781Even Michael Foot supported taking the islands back. And the whole affair led to the downfall of an Argentine government that can genuinely labeled as Fascist
>>216968308The trial was necessary to end the sovereign citizen “movement.”
>>216967998>the consolidation of state and corporate power.Which we have been over and concluded is not what Reagan or Thatcher did.
>>216968489I agree, but I was in the minority. And being correct but in the minority isn't a tenanable position
>>216968372Like it or not, he was the one that invented the term. And had some things very clear that neither communism or democracies had>he hated democracies>he hated communism>he hated giving people rights, vote or allowing dissidents opinions>he hated socialist politics>seeked to unite people through nationality, not class strugle or financial power>double down on tradicionalism and jerked to old glories
It think we can all agree, that the Judge Dredd movie we desperately need is about The Big Boing
>>216968518Lol
>>216968545>dude, I'm going to remove all the limiters and let corporations do whateverHow is that fascism, genuinely?Mosely wouldn't have done that shit...
Sure are a lot of East-Meg commies in this thread, I thought Dredd had blown them all up?
>>216968520Being correct is always a tenable position. There’s also the bit where it doesn’t matter how much evidence there is of who committed a crime, because the instant a justice system tries to define what constitutes enough evidence render a trial unnecessary, that definition will be exploited/eroded.
>>216968520You were only in the minority because most people didn’t know what the sovereign citizen “movement” was.
>>216962874>His devotion to THE LAW is absurd, not aspirational.Honestly question this shit now because it seems like most of the problems aren't from people following the law but getting around or stopping it from being enforced.Not to say law is always universally good but frankly these days it seems like corruption and selective enforcement or looking the other way seem like they're way bigger problems than people strictly enforcing the law exactly as written.
>>216968523So fascism at its core is “do what I say because you were born near me”
>>216962935>How are Thatcherism and Reaganism fascist?Because they didn't bring about communism. Anything that isn't communism or helping give rise to communism is fascism. A lot of lefties these days pretty much practice a political Roko's basilisk where if you know about communism but fail to help it rise or god-forbid reject it you deserve endless death and torture after the revolution.
>>216968693Yes, and if not, face the wall you traitor.It's nothing but an autocracy that revolves around nationalism
>>216968523If he wanted to unite people behind history, why didn't he restore the king? If he hated financial power, why did he preserve and protect the industrial magnates? Why did he use SPQR if he ceded authority of Constantinople and parts of Rome to the powers that owned them? There is no fascist ideology, it is a cementation of power at the cost of the state.
>>216968774>why didn't he restore the king?Because kings had already proven by history not to be the most efficient autocrats. Also, fuck you, if I'm an autocrat wanabe hungry of power I'm not gonna give it to some inbreed king. >If he hated financial power, why did he preserve and protect the industrial magnates?Because he didn't hate it, what I said is that nationalism was a vital trait here and way more important than financial power. Democracies revolved more arround the second one. Hell, current democracies have embraced financial power so much they hate nationalism because it tells them importing cheap labor is wrong.>Why did he use SPQR if he ceded authority of Constantinople and parts of Rome to the powers that owned them?Because as I said, he jerked to old glories. And people who idioloze the past tend to ignore the things from the past they don't like or find inconvenient. It's a larp.
>>216968265>fascism is hard to define outside of some kind of authoritarian governmentI think a one party state where you have to join said party to get anywhere in life is an essential feature
>>216969087>nationalism should be more important than financial power, that’s why I gave power to people with lots of financial power
>>216969087Most fascist ignore mussolinis demise
>>216966442>>216966493I want to punch a so-called Big Tittied British Lass (the real one, not "black" one) into her tit and have tit recoil and hit me back and engulf me in its flesh softnessSomeone like soft kittn, maybe even bigger, and definitely with huge sense of humour and even bigger body and even bigger Sovl. I want that lads.
>>216969452literally not an argument. And you're assuming you're arguing against "fascists" in the first place.
Frankly, democracy shouldn't have any supporters in Dredd's world. Democracy led to President Booth nuking the planet and ecological collapse
>>216969304>>216969452>>216962874>>216962935>>216965831heh...
>>216969304The political national state or dictator still above the financial power. They don't let it run wild and do as it pleases. Also, it's funny how you refuse to address the point where I said democracies are nothing like facism because they give rights to their population, people can vote and most importantly, they can disagree with the current government and oppose it through democratic means.Facism on the other hand is do as I say or face the wall. You must be ignoring this point because communists behaved the same way on that specific regard.
>>216969498>And you're assuming you're arguing against "fascists" in the first place.Anon, you are literally arguing with someone that thinks everyone but him and his tanky pals are facists...
i remember reading some of the first original Dredd comics and they were played very straight, it just had a lot more sci-fi shit, thought it's apparent that later issues lean more heavily in the satire aspect, so i wouldn't say that the Karl Urban Dredd movie isn't accurate or the Stallone version, i think both adapt different eras of the comics.
>yeah, explain how Thatcher was a fascist tho>ARRRRGGGHHH, I'M GONNA HANG YOU FROM A CRANE AND KILL YOU, CHUD!You right, m8?
this should get you up to speed on the iron ladyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXdVhiOKRB0
>>216969543>it’s only fascism if people have no rights at allhow about if the rights are meaningless?
>if you don't like facism you're a tankie who thinks everyone is a fascist Lol
>>216962935“Everything I don’t like is fascism”- infantile socialist morons 1960-present day.
>>216969753Yeah, you can't keep up so now you are just gonna pretend everything that doesn't fit you narrative and have no anwser for is meanless.The differences between democracies and facism have already being made clear to anyone that isn't mentality challenged.And yeah, being able to criticise my government in public without getting myself hang of deported to a concentration camp or a Siberian gulag IS A BIG DEAL.
>>216969911Tankie is truly the most meaningless buzzword. Rather than referring to Stalinists, it means anyone that agrees with the entire Bolshevik coalition is some kind of fringe freak. Originally a term used by SocDems to punch left, now it's used by idiots that think SocDems are a public menace.
>>216964519Demolition man didn’t take a steaming shit on an existing IP.>>216964334Babby’s first screed on 4chan after three days on r/antifascism.
>>216964816>when the socialist doesn’t realise that Fascism is by definition socialismYou’re like the retarded gift that keeps on giving.
>>216969992A communist is a communist, talkie or not. And they're all subhuman slime. McCarthy was right.
>>216962874>It feels like Dredd 2012 completely misses the point of Judge Dredd.Dredd 2012 is a remake/adaptation of The Raid with a Judge Dredd reskin, and as long as I can remember the character had a reputation for being an inflexible and merciless force, probably because the most shared panels and memes involve that.
>>216966948>Crime has statistically been on steady decline for decades at this pointYes, because capitalism (and even its evil twin, corporatism) are better at lifting people out of poverty than socialism.
>>216964547Wanna hear the craziest part? Judge Dredd was inspired by Calhoun's Mouse Utopia experiments.https://eprints.lse.ac.uk/22514/1/2308Ramadams.pdfPage 18,>Judge Dredd’s co-creators, Alan Grant and John Wagner, both recall being alert to Calhoun’s work.
>>216969923So even when all the politicians are owned by corporate entities, the us can’t be a fascist state because we will still have the right to vote for puppet a or puppet b. The reality is there is no real defining characteristic of “fascism” beyond simply being a military coup, and everything else being internally inconsistent nonsense to justify autocracy.
>>216967380Tadpoles who didn’t live through the a Reagan era don’t realise that Reagan and Clinton were basically two peas in a pod, politically speaking. California republicans like Reagan and Schwarzenegger are basically Democrats who like private enterprise.
>>216963059>Reddit
>>216969992This is true
>>216969754wasn't the conversation, was it?
>>216970195If you’re going to go the “crime is only committed out of desperation for financial gain” then you can’t really ignore how basically all of high finance is predicated upon fraud but since the people committing it get paid infinitely more than the people tasked with investigating it no one ever goes to prison. Even when countless legal documents prove rampant financial fraud leak, nothing happens and the IRS decides to audit a working Joe because they made an error on their return, because they have to audit someone that year and it can’t be someone with a complex tax return.
>>216970264Americans in general don’t realize there is no actual left in the us. There is moderate authoritarian mid-right and something slightly more right of that. Literally no one would get elected running on increasing government oversight of banks, billionaires, and corporations
>>216970011You act like Judge Dredd is above zany comedy or comedic sidekicks, as an overall franchise.
>>216962874>understood that Dredd is a satire of fascism and fascist thinking.Some of it, yes, other parts were satire of people who think policing is bad.>his devotion to the law is absurd, not aspirationalDredd 2012 doesn't even try to show his devotion to the law. Didn't it start with a black superior telling him it's okay a woman failed the judge test by 2 points is okay because she's special?It hurts that they decided Judge Anderson had to be some loser crash out bitch who feels sympathy for the black american underclass, which is the exact opposite of what Megacity 1 represents: humans get bored so do crime, professional baby minders are given guns, hilarity ensues.>>216963220Oh boy, wokesloppa! Nyum nyum nyum!>>216965739kek>>216967174You could say Warhammer is 2000ad, a shame it died.>>216969515You'd think that. When did they reinstate democracy? The IDW run?
>>216963699>judge dredd is a clown>he's supposed to be funny ha ha>look he just pooed his pants and fell over ha ha>ha ha his comedy side kick is hilarious ha ha he just weeed his t-shirt ha ha
>>216963915Devastate is clearly the better word choice for wrecking one's enemy especially if you are describing the destruction of infrastructure. Slaughter if you mean the mass killing of enemy troops and or civilians and decimate if you were executing every tenth captured enemy. A proper Fascist flick would be if the purity squad discovered subversive race mixing propaganda paid for by some non Fascist country and they cut the money off to that NGO and arrest its members. Say, that would make a good sub plot for Homelander. Dread is good as it is. A critique of force over justice with enough grit to be edgy and frightening.
>>216970362>crime is only committed out of desperation for financial gainNo, I believe crime is considered a ‘soft option’ for people who choose to lead lifestyles incompatible with having a job. Druggie? Junkie? Lazy? Wannabe rapper waiting for his career to take off? Didn’t pay attention in school and can’t read, write or do math at higher than third grade level? Belong to a social group that idolizes criminals and despises honest work? Crime!
>>216970443Doesn’t really matter if rob schneider was utterly obnoxious and dragged the movie way down for no reason beyond the inability of the writers to make an absurdist satire of draconian legal systems.
>>216966948I don't want to throw money at the PRISON INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX (lmao), I want to hang druggies and pavement apes who are net negatives to society on every level
>>216964334are you actually insane?
>>216970447Wasn't there a storyline where the cits are allowed an election to decide their new ruler, and they overwhelmingly vote to keep the Judges?
>>216970489You literally just said “yes” but with more words while ignoring the rest of the post.
>>216970489>crime is okay if it’s your job
>>216970496Did people like you want to be cops but fail the psychological evaluation?
>>216970523He's a leftist. He's just dishonest and stupid.
>>216970443It generally was. Walter the robot was Dredd’s butler and rarely appeared. Dark judges, the Sov-cit invasion, cursed earth, the Angels, Anderson’s arc, Rico Dredd’s return, Dredd was generally not as satirical or humorous as people remember.
>>216967074nah, only if you're a retarded faghole
>>216962874"Judge Dredd creator John Wagner, who had been critical of the 1995 adaptation, gave a positive review of Dredd. He said: "I liked the movie. It was, unlike the first film, a true representation of Judge Dredd ... Karl Urban was a fine Dredd and I'd be more than happy to see him in the follow-up. Olivia Thirlby excelled as Anderson ... The character and storyline are pure Dredd."/thread
>>216965831>you see, everywhere else just started making things cheaper and there was no way to stop people buying it...If the middlemen who buy for cheap and sell for a mark up are in parliament, of course there's "no real choice" and you can't use protectionist economics, such as those used for whiskey... or is it whisky?Some of these "slave labour" forces are also... in the EU. And any factories that didn't "move" to the east, moved to the EU when the border was opened. Things like the confectionary industry became eastern european, with big names like cadbury, and smaller names too.Oh and then there's the odd concern that... most of what we have today wasn't available back then even from local manufacturers.Coal itself was going out of fashion. It's not a good example for imports. Natural gas is the big choice for heating and electricity in western Europe, and it pairs up well with the oil industry.If you think cost is an important factor, remember that there's a wood pellet power plant in northern ireland. Terrible for the environment, terrible for health, terrible for cost, but it keeps going because... someone earns money off importing the wood.Consumers aren't choosing the cheaper product. Sellers are choosing the higher markup.
>>216970639I feel like at least half of the Dredd comics I've read have been pretty silly. There's also humour in the character of Dredd, and how his response to everything is deadpan allegiance to the word of the law. The movie gets that comedy right as well.
>>216970661He's still wrong.
>>216970546Yes because when your premise is as retarded as “basically all of high finance is predicated upon fraud” it’s clear your ideology is at odds with reality. Are the upper echelons of corporatist capital fabulously corrupt? Absolutely, but that’s a different thing.>>216970568No, I’m saying that ‘poverty’ and ‘racism’ and ‘systemic oppression’ etc are bullshit excuses for crime, no matter how enthusiastically retards want it to be true.Rape is a great example of a crime lacking a financial impetus that is massively over represented in certain groups, for instance.
>>216970639>the talking dinosaur and the cult stealing the sainted bones of Elvis Presley were actually super mature, drumphkiddo!
>>216964334>broadening democracyAnon socialists don't want the Demos to have Kratos, they want the government to brutally suppress the people for the 'common good'. Freedom requires culling politicians and civil servants whenever they interfere with peoples rights.
>>216970725There also mixes. There was one I remember about illegal boingers that was ‘silly’ until a young judge got crushed to death by one.
>>216970795Do you not understand the word ‘generally’?
>>216970591No, I made the mistake of being a cop, then leaving to go be a social worker because I actually wanted to help people, and learned that the overwhelming majority of criminals and addicts will never contribute anything beneficial to society, and directly cause harm through crime, resource consumption, and social decay. The blackpill, that even Marx recognized, is that there is a percentage of the population who are stupid, impulsive, violent retards who will never be reformed or "rehabilitated". Spend any time working with the "chronically homeless", addicts, or those in "generational poverty" and you'll see. Unironically sterilizing addicts and any repeat offender would do more to improve society than any welfare program could hope to. Now I'm a stay at home dad who makes cabinets
>>216970795That stuff is there but you also have horrific shit like adrenochrome farms
There's a Dredd comic where some loser's girlfriend dies and he troons out and has his brain planted in her body and he becomes a woman
>>216970778>No, I’m saying that ‘poverty’ and ‘racism’ and ‘systemic oppression’ etc are bullshit excuses for crime, no matter how enthusiastically retards want it to be true.>Rape is a great example of a crime lacking a financial impetus that is massively over represented in certain groups, for instance.Modern leftists are for some reason utterly incapable of understanding there are truly evil, violent, and useless people in the world, despite both Marx and Engels acknowledging it. They think we just need more programs and more spending, and surely THIS time Mr Fenthead 72 time violent felon will choose not to club an elderly person over the head.
>>216970527I don't actually know.I had to stop reading because rebellion refuses to print more of some of the case files.>>216970639>Dredd was generally not as satirical or humorous as people remember.Go back to the first comics and read through them (and have fun). They're funny and lean harder into jokes the longer it goes on. Do I need to mention the Fatties, Loonies, Navel Gazers, Kleggs, Judge Cal... you already mentioned Walter, who was consistently in the comics until I assume his writer left, and he seemingly took Dredd's landlady with him.I mean, I also don't know how you don't see the Dark Judges as a joke, or a satire, especially as a satire of Judge Dredd himself. If I explained to you the first thing they tried against a supernatural fire based police officer is a children's toy called BOIIING, you'd not tell me it's being serious. If I had to explain to you the origin comic of BOIING...
>>216967224esl
original dredd was much better
>>216970912Justice Department does forced feminization under certain circumstances
>>216965831I don't really see the problem with subsidizing local industry, so that it can compete globally. When I pay more than half of what I earn in taxes, those taxes should go to something useful like that. It's not like we're not subsidizing tons of insane shit right now, that isn't remotely economically viable in any shape or form. The whole 'green energy' is not even a massive waste of money but actively harmful to our economies. We're literally paying to destroy our own industry; that's way worse than paying to maintain it. Which isn't even mentioning the welfare state, which spends most of its money propping up economically unproductive boomers before even accounting for the economically unproductive immigrants.Heck, I could go further; I actually think that the education system is mostly actively harmful as well. Sure, you need a few days a week to learn how to read and write and do math, but children genuinely can be economically productive - and SHOULD be - most of their time.Personally, though I did great in school, I think that nothing caused so much harm to me as school did, versus the opportunity cost of having been able to do useful esteem-growing work instead. Nothing feels quite so demoralizing as doing paperwork as a child, for a result with no discernable utility to anyone. We're literally training children to think of themselves as worthless. There's no wonder everyone's listless and unmotivated, when in the first 20 years of their lives they do almost literally nothing useful. You are what you do, and if you do pointless nothingwork for all the most critical periods of your life, you become a pointless nothing of a person. The best parts of my school years were always when I got the opportunity to NOT go to school for whatever reason, to apprentice in some trade, like doing construction or working at a computer repair shop. Actually getting paid to do actually useful stuff; something that doesn't slowly suffocate your soul.But I digress.
>>216967379funny, because every single american is a cross between ellen degenerate and hillary clinton.
>>216966442Blurgh is a fucking ghoul the cunt needs hanged
>>216965468Capitalists don't want to print money though
>>216970778>talking about the proven but unprosecuted crimes of banks, billionaires, and corporations is ideological!… so you’re really just get upset when someone points out how “capitalism,” unchecked, through corruption of common law to get corporations considered citizens and bribery speech to bypass all limitations on bribery, has resulted in “fascism” without the need for a military coup. Where only the people/corporations who can buy politicians have any power.
>>216969087>Because kings had already proven by history not to be the most efficient autocratsAt least with a King you would be granted a personal audience and opportunity to have the ruler address your grievances
>>216962935I'm 55 and to me fascism, capitalism, communism, neoliberalism, dictatorship, democracy, and the god damn king on the throne is all the same thingAnd I'm tired of people trying to explain the difference between [dude in power, everyone under him] and [dude in power, everyone under him], and how come [dude in power, everyone under him] is so much better, a revolution towards can bring a new era, of [dude in power, everyone under him] And every time the dude in power is you
>>216970820>banks, billionaires, and corporations not having absolute power is brutal suppression
>>216970836>boing is funny until they crush someone>>216970886>omg comic book depicting VR to harvest adrenaline for a drug??? I'm losing my miiiiindIf you can't see what's ludicrous about that, I doubt you'll laugh at what can be described as>las vegas city>gambling bets on where a suicidal leaper will land in a target>splat!I know this is a website for autists but can you really not see how this stuff is dumb, not horrifying like a modern slasher movie where the director's fetish is gore?
>>216962874>muh tatcher>muh reaganthey forgot to update this lefty, its all about drumf and putler now sweetie.
>>216962874Judge dredd 95 fantastic. I hate dredd 2012 despite liking urban and garland. It's just a really ugly movie, I'm sorry. The whole helmet thing is just redditor faggot opinion. Who gives a shit about Stallone having his helmet off. It's a movie adaptation, concessions will obviously be made, especially at the time. Batman 89 is nothing like batman but nobody seems to fucking mind.
>>216971003Is the joke that’s basically what Hitler did?
>>216971059It's kind of funny, during the early french revolution, the peasants marched on the king's castle and busted into it. What did the king do? He went to talk to them, and engaged them in arguments for why he was the king and why that was the right and proper state of the world.What did the US government do, when its peasants marched on its castle? Barricaded themselves inside, screeched hysterically, and shot at the peasants out of fear.A ruler who genuinely thinks that what they're doing is correct, isn't going to hide that from the world. Shit, the european kings went to the executioner's block basically of their own choice. They COULD have accepted concessions, the rebels always begged them to do so, but the kings would be like "naw; I rule by the fucking word of god; you're gonna have to kill me, 'cuz I ain't conceding shit - and when you do so, you're gonna be in the wrong".Modern governments KNOW that what they're doing is wrong, which is why they're so afraid of the people.
>>216971035So you’re saying banks are communists?
>>216971183it's what my government does
>>216971003>I don't really see the problem with subsidizing local industry, so that it can compete globally.You are just pissing money away on uneconomic activities, mining coal that takes 10 times the effort than giant open pit mines in Australia or whateverThats just as bad as having armies of bureaucrats that exist to hamper the economy
>>216969992Tankies are people who think dissent against the party should be crushed by the military. It describes a specific type of dangerous bootlicker. Politicians are scum, individuals should be allowed to disregard their arbitrary whims without consequence.
>>216971003>so that it can compete globally.Ameba brainedThere's no such thing as "compete globally" because you gotta ged rid of arbitrage firstA code monkey in usa needs 50k dollars to live a year, and an indian one needs 5k, and when you subsidize you are just inflating that disparity, not adressing it
>>216962874>fascismYou keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
>>216971444this I thought the judges were batshit insane vigilantes
>>216971078Idiotic strawman, collectivists just use those as an excuse to interfere in the rights of normal people who should be able to live their lives without the child molesting thieves in the government bothering them. Corporations are legal structures created by the government, the state, banks and big business are all part of the same establishment. This establishment should be massively reduced in power and individual rights enforced, violently if necessary.
>>216962935anything that isn't gay brown communism is fascism chud
>>216971527Judges write and enforce the law, they're not outside it like vigilantes. What can be said in their favor is that they take corruption among Judges VERY seriously and that they will lay down their lives against enemies of the city, domestic and foreign
>>216971527they're a hyper efficient police force who are judge, jury, and executioner, all bundled into one.
>>216971527They definitionally cannot be vigilantes
>>216971688They're also the bulk of the armed forces and ultimate political decision makers in the city
>>216971688But other anon thought judges were vigilantes because he cannot in2 the most basic theme in judge dredd
>>216965793It's functionally similar. Our government had a sitdown with the farming corpus and the trading corpus. The farming corpus wanted the government to regulate the trading corpus' importation because it makes the local industry uncompetitive. While this sitdown is happening the government has already built mega storage facilities for foreign Chinese goods, paid for in part by the farmers' taxdollars. Corporatismfags assume that the government would be an equal arbiter between parties offering unequal incentives, and that's completely delusional. They are even more naive about human nature than utopia loving commies.
>>216971722>State sponsored Judge, Jury and ExecutionerIf mob rule or vigilantism is made lawful, trained and executed by licensed state vigilantes, how is it not vigilantism with a license?Technically it's the most efficient form of justice>Saves money on court costs>Saves money on trials, attorneys>Saves money on judges,as the police and judge are the same person>Cuts down on time spent and lessens likelyhood of corruption by ending multiple channels and agencies which could be approached by lobbyists over time or independently of investigation to bribe, gather money to bribe.The only downside is if >Judge is corrupt>Judge is wrong in his conviction/investigation
Thing about Dredd and the Judges is that they are every bit as prepared to arrest billionaires as the Chinese communist party are to arrest theirs. Being rich won't save you in Mega City, you can't shrug and pay fines if the robots you sell hurt people, you are going in a cube for a long time
>>216962874>a satire of fascism and fascist thinkingargument discarded
>>216971444In this thread we’ve proven it never meant anything, as there is nothing consistent about it even if you only allow for Mussolini’s version.
>>216972017You should probably stop calling people it then.
>>216971762But you get to call yourselves guilds just like in World of Warcraft!And wear 1920s outfits and do cookouts with teh boys!
>>216971597>child molesting thieves in the government bothering themSo the non-government child molesters are fine.
>>216971867>If mob rule or vigilantism is made lawful, trained and executed by licensed state vigilantes, how is it not vigilantism with a license?Because vigilantism is defined by justice sought outside the law. An authority figure enforcing the law is the exact thing a vigilante isn't.
>>216972070You should stop imagining people and pretending they’re harassing you on 4chan
>>216971867>If mob rule or vigilantism is made lawfulThan it wouldn't be vigilantism retard
>>216971867Judges are not vigilantes in any sense of the word, when Dredd says I am the law he is being literal and any other Judge could say the same thing and it would be true for them too. Judges aren't outside the state, they ARE the state
>>216971867>The only downside is if>Judge is corrupt>Judge is wrong in his conviction/investigationSo the entire point for due process.
>>216972070You should probably stop voting for it then
>>216968540I'm shocked they never made the robot wars
>>216972429i never voted for thatcher
>>216971762I am completely certain no government officials received any back channel “support” from foreign countries to sway them to use tax dollars to prop up a foreign economy.
Judges are a peculiar ruling class. The way you enter is as a 5 year and you spend the years till you're 18 undergoing very rigorous and increasingly dangerous training and if you wash out before then you are just another citizen. When you graduate your chances of dying in action skyrocket and the retirement plan? Long Walk or a teaching post at the academy. Oh and sex and relationships and kids are forbidden.
>>216972647Damn foreign countries! If only they didn't exist my corporotonism would of worked!
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>>216972763Yeah, there are no perks to being a judge. It's a thankless job. Not even the Council of Five get any real privilleges for being the rulers of Mega-City One.
>>216973170It’s more like if only politicians weren’t the ones deciding how much funding goes into investigating political corruption.
>>216973170Well the thing is even if you placed your country in a vaccuum, there's no guarantee that the state would weigh in fairly between the various sectoral bodies. If the corporatist state is prey to foreign back channel shenanigans, why would it be immune from back channel shenanigans of local origin?
>>216973455>We, the people have voted to allocate 15 gorillion monies to investigate corruption between Shekelcorp and Councilman Goyin>btw here's an extra 30 gorillion from Shekelcorp to ensure the investigation runs more smoothly ;)
>>216972763Yes. It’s a work program for people who would either be serial killers or warlords. It’s basically dark star trek.
>>216972257I'm not supporting the Justice Deparment's authoritarian/totalitarian model of governance, but within the logic of the comic, Judges go through extensive training and screening, which should preclude corrupt judges from ever graduating to full eagle. When a judge does go rogue (which happens quite often!), they're sent to a penal colony in a moon of Saturn.
>>216973486>If the corporatist state is prey to foreign back channel shenanigans, why would it be immune from back channel shenanigans of local origin?Because local people and the state are both white and we know that people of the same white color have never undermined each other histirocally speaking. Never ever.
>>216973433anon. In the United States bribery was ruled as protected speech in 2010. This means anything except banks, corporations, and billionaires are completely irrelevant politically. This applies globally because of the us’ status as the only superpower. All the countries of the world are banana republics.
>>216973674>corruption is bad>but what if other corruption
>>216973688>It’s a work program for people who would either be serial killers or warlordsNever though about it that way but you're right.
>>216974115>my corpontronism can into real if....the people decide the corpontronism invastagation funds>what im saying makes sense
>>216962874>It feels like Dredd 2012 completely misses the point of Judge Dredd. Dredd 95 understood that Dredd is a satire of fascism and fascist thinking.2012 Dredd was exceptionally light and reasonable for an allegedly dystopian fascist police force. The initial chase ought to have ended in summary execution.
>>216965831>We're talking about local British manufacturing trying to compete with Bangladeshi slave labor tier manufacturing and there's just no way you can win.Embargo and refuse to trade. Done and done.
>>216974473I don’t know why you’re trying to equate independent entities who’s sole function is to investigate wrongdoings is pure democracy.oh wait, yes I do.
>>216966087>for petty crimes?2012 Dredd wasn't petty crimes. It murder, attempted murder, etc etc.
>>21697465690% of the people killed were just members of a gang…Oh right you’d probably need to murder someone to join. Nevermind.
>>216974656Judges only execute when they absolutely have to, because it's shameful that they weren't able to bring the perp in.
>>216962874the perfect dredd movie would be animated and have the dark judges, and be made in 1987
>>216974705>just members of a gangdoing what again exactly?>>216974741Thats not dystopian. Thats barely above 90s police work in the better parts of America.
>>216973809The biggest shootout in America since the Civil War was between redneck coal miners and white owned C&O Railway thugs.
>>216974570>indapendat entoties in my "pure" damocracy can never into corruption
>>216974873in my *cropontonism*
>>216974764lmao read entire posts before replying
>>216965714>>216965714And yet when commienism had a massive amount of actually free(read slave) labour they fucked up and failed spectacularly.But they at least improved and are now busy convincing everyone that capitalism is the failed ideology.Because communism can not exist without convincing everyone that everything is shit and further on that its acceptavle to live in shit once its established
>>216974873See >>216974115
>>216974484Comic Dredd used to save summary execution for very rare circumstances. If you surrender, even on multiple murder charges you got the cube, not a bullet
