Who is more self made ?
>>216966136The foreigner
Define "self made".
>>216966207which one
>>216966136Italians win by default.
>>216966136terminators are made in a factory but Rocky had to train
>>216966136Sly had some truly iconic performances and his movies are better on average. Sly could play every role that Arnold played, but the reverse isn't true. Can you imagine Shwartsnigger portraying Rocky or Rambo?
>>216967627can you imagine Stallone portraying the terminator or Conan?
>>216967652Easily. He could portray a more book-accurate, cunning warrior Conan and not just a goofy bodybuilder in bikini
>>216967700Arnold has played more intelligent characters than Stallone has.
>>216966136Sly isn't a nepobaby son of Nazis and is a much better artist.
>>216967700>It's nothing personnel Why does that one gag make me laugh?
>>216966136Arnold literally came all the way from Australia, transformed bodybuilding from a niche hobby to a mainstream thing, became world champion, then bought appartments and became a real estate millionaire before he even became an actor, then married a fucking Kennedy and became governor.
>>216966136Arnold>way more popular>more likeable and charming>lots of great movies>said "fuck your freedoms" Sly>his best movies are better than Arnolds>not as popular or likeable>never said "fuck your freedoms" Arnold was winning until he around 2008, now its all Stallone
>>216966136Sylvester and it’s not even close. Arnold got a Hollywood career because of his celebrity status from bodybuilding. Oj Simpson was the first choice for the terminator lol. He then rode the wave of being the lovable buff doofus sounding Austrian for the rest of his career. Stallone ended up schlock but started off as a humble starving independent artist Even in fitness, sly has good/great genetics for a roider but isn’t godlike like Arnold. Arnold had a lot of natural gifts get him to where he is today. Nothing wrong with that, but he’s not more self made than sly
>>216967855Translation>he injected a truckload of steroids and then got raped by a bunch of jewish CEOs and then participated in a bunch of epstein parties where he fucked children and was allowed to join political circlesSucceding in politics is the reddest flag there is
>>216967904>>he injected a truckload of steroidsRespect people who take steroids. It's a price they are willing to pay, and if everyone is taking it, it's not cheating.
cobra rules
>>216966136Well, Rocky obviously.The Terminator is a robot. He was made in a factory.>>216968982What's the Sovietski Ahnold in the bottom right? Don't think I've seen that one...
Everyone in this thread?You're working for me now.
>>216966136Arnold is an iconic actor, but Stallone had better perfomances. Stallone wins in everything overall.
I can understand why a manlet would worship Stallone in a kind of “wow maybe I could be a big boy one day” but when you’re 6’4” he becomes a joke.
>>216967940>Steroids are the part that put him offWhy are americans like this?
>>216967855I didn't know arnold was an from Australia, weird he talks like a German.
>>216966136Sly. He was also a writer and relied mostly on himself. James Cameron is who made Arnold a star.
>>216969073Red Heat (1988)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDxn0Xfqkgw&t=349s
>>216969245O'll be back mate
>>216969313Yeah I'd say sly fits the self made category way better, although Arnold mogs most people irl and career wise.
Both are very self made, not like the nepo hires we have todayArnold would have always had a few Hollywood jobs here and there thanks to his Mr.Universe career but James Cameron made him a megastar with Terminator. Without Terminator he might have faded out by the 90's.Stallone actually wrote Rocky, so he probably is technically more self made. Arnold didn't even like the idea of T2 with him becoming the hero and told Cameron it was bullshit. He clearly does not know a good script when he reads one but to be fair Stallone has been in a lot of shit movies too.
>>216969319Thanks anon.Interesting cast. Too bad about Belushi tho.
>>216967904Translation: I watch Nigg Fuentes and I still seethe about Trump's J6th pardon.
>>216967904This bullshit that every male actor or bodybuilder or sports star gets raped is retarded. Less than 5% of these guys get touched by their bosses
>>216969623Bullshit, major league sports and entertainment industries are all controlled by disgusting sexpat kikes. They're all touched and compromised if they get big enough.
Arnie had to do some gay 4 pay to get into the show industry iirc so that makes him a little less self made, or maybe more? kek
>>216966136Stallone. Arnold lucked into The Terminator and Cameron. He thought the Terminator was shit but later claims he always thought it was good. There was an interview when he was promoting Conan and they asked him what his next project was and he said some shit low budget sci fi movie. Stallone got fed up getting shit parts and wrote Rocky which made his career
>>216967627After the first film, Rambo is not hugely different from John Matrix.
Why can't we throw JCVD into this mix?
>>216970514> Rambo is not hugely different from John MatrixLmao. Commando was just a goofy pop corn action movie. Rambo was a pretty serious bet and it was very difficult to shape into its final cut. Also it was incredibly more challenging as an acting role and it was way more successful in the box office.
>>216970606Stallone was always a better actor
Negger was a h1b visa fag while stalone had to sell his soul doing gay porn to get his first gig
>>216970606>Also it was incredibly more challenging as an acting roleI said after the first film. In Rambo 2-4 he is not a complex character, he is a dumb action man like John Matrix. He became more human again in Last Blood, but that didn't arrive until 2019.
Richard Gere armed with just a drop of mustard and a mid English princess has had Stallone seething for over 50 years, while Arnold probably wouldn't even have noticed. Thus Arnold is numero uno by default, a true self-made man can have a colossal ego like Sly but only as long as they know when to check it
>>216970738Yes, Rambo 2-4 are on the same level as Commando
>>216970654I thought it was Arnie that had to fuck the old Jewish men for opportunities
>>216970958I don’t believe Gere’s bullshit. He thinks Stallone started the whole sticking gerbils up his ass rumor
>>216971276Does anyone really believe that somebody would put a live gerbil in his ass? That fucking thing would bite and scratch the hell out of your rectum.
>>216971334that's where the party is, friend.
>>216966136writing/director = SLY. "you werq for me naw"
>>216966136Reminder Sly made movie where a woman gets raped by a dolphin but only his rich friends get to see it
>>216966136They both came from poor backgrounds.Arnold probably made more money and become Governor of California. His talent is debatable, he basically got famous from being shredded. But he did have to overcome being from a foreign country. Sly's breakthrough into cinema came from not only acting, but writing and directing too. He probably had to fight harder to get his foot in the door. Interesting that they both came from basically nothing and became diehard republicans.
>>216966136Stallone because he wrote his career
>>216968982>no jingle all the way (fist clenching intensifies)
>>216966136Stallone, he never sucked cock like Arnie did
>>216972003Wait wutI have seen some shit in my time, and read about the dolphin research project where the chick lost her marbles and fell in love with one & jerked him off, but ehhh… I have not seen this.
>>216968982The sunglasses in Terminator always bugged me. Look goofy.
>>216970541Van Damme never had his Rocky or Terminator 2 moment. Also there's only room for so many silly-sounding action movie stars in Hollywood. Most JCVD films were on lower budgets, which was probably great for his career as too many flops would've ended his career earlier, kinda like what happened to Steven Seagal.
>>216967855>then married a fucking Kennedywow, imagine marrying a fucking kennedy
>>216967627Take Slys top 5 highest rated films in which he at least the main character>Rocky>First Blood>Creed>Rocky 2>Rocky BalboaNow compare this to these 5 Arnold films>Terminator 2>Terminator>Predator>Total Recall>True LiesOther than Rocky, its not even close.
Arnold has a whole speech about how he's specifically NOT a self-made man. His book's full of refusing the label too. He's always talking about his friends and his business partners and how they all lifted each other up all the time.
>>216966136>self madeneither because neither are natty
>>216967700Arnold works well as Conan. I dont think sly tops him in the movieAnd anyway, his movies are book accurate in different ways>barbarian pulls elements from different stories to make a movie>destroyer is akin to a single short story, a one-off adventure I like both
>>216970654In one of Arnold's books he talks about how he was recruited in Australian by some rich guy to come to America.
>>216966136Sly wrote the scriptthe end
>>216966136I always preferred Stallone.Real btw.
Arnold never claimed to be selfmade. He always said he had friends that helped him in his career
>>216967897You act like body building to the insane degree Schwarzenegger did it was easy.
That's actually a good question; you can compare their careers, their filmographies, their physiques, but no one really delves into both of their personal origins. Its incredible how the two of them came up around the same time period and had somewhat similar career trajectories.
Arnold never wrote Rocky
