/tv/ has no argument against this
Sadly, nolan doesn't look to entertain because he makes "smart" movies.
how is dark and dreary meant to entertain?
>>216971694>LISTEN UP CHUD WE JUST PUT NIGGERS INTO EVERYTHING AND YOU HAVE TO WATCH IT ANYWAY>WHAT THE FUCK NOBODY WATCHED IT WHAT THE FUCK THIS IS TERRORISM THIS IS EVIL THIS IS THE HOLOCAUST BUT REAL HELPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP
>>216971694Anyone who still uses that argument is a literal subhuman, lower than the dumbest jeet.
Here’s one: it looks like fucking dogshit
>>216971694>if we pretend that all criticism of this fecal-covered abortion comes from pedantic armchair historians we don't have to address the uncomfortable fact that it's a visual artform that looks like shitLol.
Looks like a design from a movie trying to sell toys, minus the soul. Star Wars sequel trilogy tier
>>216971694A film with legitimate bronze age aesthetics would be 1000x more entertaining than this plastic temu slop
>>216971694I doBlack helmet on a black guy looks like a barely distinguishable silouhette, give that helm more color for contrast
>>216971694I am not entertained by this
>>216971694
>>216971859this. /thread
>>216971817>>216972009He's not even black, that's just how bad the lighting is.
>>216971694>My characters have to look like a pile of capeshit wrapped in gloomy dark dogshit just because of le hecking mythological fantasy ok????
>>216972131It's got nothing to do with the lighting. He's just played by a really swarthy sephardic jewish guy.
>>216971859>>216971880gottem
>>216971694Had said before, Nolan had no style. His “style” is making things as bland and boring as possible and idiots pretending they’re sophisticated eat it up
looks like something out of a pulp scifi movie
>>216971694>and in any caseProof that you didn't actually believe any of the bullshit you just spewed out
>>216971694Anime/cartoon logic.
>not historically accurate enough to be an immersive epic period piece like an eggers movie >not colorful and fun enough to be an entertaining pulp flick like 300 This shit is pure unfiltered luke warm mediocrity that inspires nothing
>>216972416It's going to be more epic and grand than either of those.
>>216971694The goal of cinema is to entertain now?I thought it was to drive social change through incessant whining and preaching, while selling toys to 30 year old manchildren?
>don't critique anything billions dollar corporations do fine leftoid logic
the same people praising neggers and nolans realism and metaphysical possibility in films, such as batman dunkirk nosferatu vvitch northman, the very same people who vilify benigni because he dared defy holocaust orthodoxy, they very same people are now suddenly all about fantastical depictions of history and telling you to grow up when you notice smth looksl ike utter shit...did you remember to murder a film critic today? starting with the rlmites?
>>216971694i dont like it because it looks like shit also
>>216972131Black is a spectrum. Sometimes it is even a state of mind.
>>216972831Entertainment value is a secondary byproduct. It's a "nice to have".
>>216971694Then lets just move on to it just looking like shit. Just watch Troy and The return instead.
>>216972268yep looks black, fucking retard
>>216973516A face that would drive any woman to mariticide.
>>216971817/thread
>>216972131the imagery is a white guy kneeling to a black guy. "Ackzually its the armor and the wearer is not black but a jew" is just plausible deniability for cowards
>>216971694Plausibility, myth can't be a catch all excuse. Why even do it as war genre instead of black/sex comedy?
>>216971694It's plausibility vs possibility, if you don't understand that yet you never willThings that aren't possible are cool because they're not possible, there's no switch of incongruence in your headThings that are implausible and not cool, like nigs in settings they do not belong in, carries none of the fantastical aspect of impossibility, it simply flicks the switch.And no, niggers do not entertain me.
>>216971694>/tv/ has no argument against thisI concede. Still not watching it though.
>>216971694>what is suspension of disbelief
>>216971694>creativity in the time of Homer>Gods walk among men, wars are decided by heroes>creativity in 2004>The Iliad was a story, here's some creative ways it might have happened, also Brad Pitt with no shirt. We cut all that gay shit out too>creativity in 2026>black people
>>216971694The argument has already been made and won.
It's called having standards.
>>216971694Chuds arguing about the historical authenticity of armor from a country that never existed
>>216971694Why don't they just have guns and stormtroopers in the movie? Why not just take a plane home?
>>216971694>Mycenean Greeks existed>Trojans existed>Troy existed>The Trojan war happened and Troy was destroyed>Ancient people love color>They had specific types of armorIf you're doing a modern interpretation of it like Romeo + Juliet with Leo do what you want I guess, but this is suppose to be the actual story.
>>216973516That mosaic is impressive
>>216971694>assumes mythology isn't realThey are so stuck in their own narrow worldview
I think it looks good
>>216978086do people think the Odyssey is just about the trojan war
>>216971694Ok, cool so does that mean I get to see Agamemnon and the gang hide while a 2025 Mustang GTD self drives into Troy?
>>216971817Based schizo
is this... the british illiad?
>>216971694But I do, I am not going to see the movie.
>>216971694why is batman in my odyssey kino?
>>216971694Historical? It looks ugly, that's the problem.
>>216979572both Batman and Odyssey heroes were fictional therefore you can put Batman there or something.Deal with it Chud!
>>216972288He has no style, he has no grace.
>Nolan's idea of mythology is just dudes walking around in plastic lookin roman armor
>>216971694Troy was fictional but it was set in a specific time period Namely, when Homer was alive and kicking his greek sandals
>>216971694Don’t care about accuracy, I’d rather have the shirtless homoerotic Spartans from 300 than this AI generated looking shit.
>>216971694Shit argument. It's like if I argued that Tony Stark's wardrobe doesn't matter when he's not Iron Man because the MCU has fantastical elements. >So what if Kevin Feige dressed him up like Ulysses S Grant! Why shouldn't he have a pocket watch?! It's FANTASY! Like others have said, it's set in a real time period with the goal of entertaining real people who related to Odysseus. Tony Stark dressing like a rich guy from the mid 2000s makes sense. I would go on but I don't want to keep repeating myself.
>>216971694The problem isn't the ahistorical nature of the film, it's that Nolan has the aesthetic sensibility of a 13 year old.
>>216971694remember when movie strived for historical accuracy? I remember the awful Spielberg Abe Lincoln biopic actually recorded Lincoln's real watch ticking for the sound design. But hey let's just do whatever now. Who gives a shit?
>>216973516No one said black. I said he's swarthy which he is. His skin is dark from a tan in the movie.
>>216971694Although Homer's works contain mythological elements, they are set in a time and place for which we have archeological evidence of the people, the cultures and the broad historical context.You might as well argue that the Kansans in the Wizard of Oz could be Chinese because the story is a fantasy.
>>216980361Dude even a 13 yo would be more creative.
>>216971694It’s entertaining by being accurate
>>216971694Laziest journalism. False equation.Example A: A story like Stranger Things set in our world in the 80s, with spooky elements. The culture of the era was known to all, but the spooky elements are something that wouldn't be known to most of the population living at the time if they had happened. So one could suspend disbelief re: demogorgons, but older viewers will notice and complain when it's not authentic to the 80s time period. Because that is a "known".Example B: A movie about Barack Obama, but they cast a pale asian guy to play him. Not believable, takes you out, because Obama is a real known person and a known reality is being misrepresented.So, many people won't care if The Odyssey is inaccurate but it's logical for people who know better to be taken out of the movie, because sure it's entertainment, but it's entertainment that is misrepresenting a real thing.
>>216971694I think most people have a problem with how shitty everything looks instead of its historical accuracy. That guy looks like a plastic Batman...
>>216972131OK. What about the rest of the cast?
Faggot isn't Lord of me. Can't tell me what I can or cannot enjoy.
>>216971694>the "i prefer historical accuracy" crowd
>>216981047Right is better.
>>216972416The Eggersfaggot deigns to accuse anything of being lukewarmth
>>216971817Based
>>216971817Jews said this.
>>216971694Just have all the Greeks drive Ford F150s bro who cares if it’s accurate
>>216980264What happened to his gucci loafers?
>>216975835this nigga has a blacked subscription for each of his devices
>>216971694Armors are whatever. Athena still shouldn't be black though.
>>216971694White people aren't allowed to have culture because the goal is to genocide them.
>>216971694this is the exact same argument half you faggots on this board were making just to be contrarian. some of you especially got uppity at the "it looks like plastic batman/power rangers crap" bits especially
Why are they so scared? This movie must be packed full of gay pedophilia that they want to normalize and they're worried it'll bomb and nobody will see it I guess.
I'm mocking it because it looks stupid and I like shitting on overrated Nolan slop, not because it's historically inaccurate.
>>216971694Did ancient greeks even know what a nigger was?
>>216981849Travelers told of black-skinned people, but bear in mind they also talked about people with bird beaks and lizard skin and all kinds of other shit.
>>216981932>people with bird beaks and lizard skinand now one of them is playing agamemnon
>>216981849Yes. They built an early settlement on Egypts north shore and sent their scholars to study in Egyptian schools, studying politics, law, culture, arts, math & building. Most of the Greek gods were derived from Egyptian gods, feminized from the Egyptian male versions. Greeks sought to build their own great city state, they expressly prohibited the excchange of Egyptian scholars coming north and studying in their own schools. They loved the organization and the law, architecture and art, but wanted to avoid intermixing their own with Egypts. Egypt wanted to increasingly make Greek cities Egyptian territories, but the Greeks refused. Then the Macedonians conquered them, then the Romans destroyed them, then the Turks replaced them.You should read history sometime. It's real neat.
>>216981849They thought Ethiopia and India were full of one-legged humanoids who would lie down and use their giant foot for shade.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopod_(creature)
>>216971694>there are fantastical elements in the story therefore literally none of it needs to be believable, make sense or have any internal logic or consistency
>>216981932Ah they knew about Judea then
>>216982018Egyptians weren't black.
>>216981760Is this the heeb equivalent of a diddy freakoff?
>>216971694I got recommended Age of Bronze in of these threads its pretty kino the dude tried to splice all the accounts of the Trojan war and its all fairly historical accurate.im only on like the 4th one and they just got in proximity Troy like 2 years after afailed attempt. The detail is sick.
>>216980177Nolan mainly treats filmmaking as a game of how much money he can save and how early he can finish production. Not surprising that he went for the easiest possible route with the armor designs.
>>216972831Yeah because you’re a dumb as shit culture war reject who’s entirely out of touch with reality
>>216980397>remember when movie strived for historical accuracy?So never?
>>216971817KEK
>>216971694Why is his helmet/armor so much different than others?
>>216980177Bit baffled that his idea of a numinous experience seems to be "dudes in space marine armor stomping around"
>>216971694Inglorious Bastards is neither a historically accurate movie nor does it depict real events. But what would your reaction be if the Nazis ran around with Kevlar Vests, modern FAST Helmets and shoot with M4 assault rifles? That's what the Odyssey is. It is not about historical accurary, most critics just fail at properly articulating what everyone is thinking: It completely misses the aesthetics of the time period.
>>216971817kikes really act like this
>>216984733>But what would your reaction be if the Nazis ran around with Kevlar Vests, modern FAST Helmets and shoot with M4 assault rifles?It’s a movie where they successfully kill Hitler. Anyone who dedicates all their time whining about the visuals not being period accurate is a moron.
How many bots you think are ITT right now?
>>216971817>do nothing>wins
>>216978706same
I don't care that much that the armor is inaccurate, but the fact that it looks like batman is distracting and goofyMovie looks drained of colour as well, I guess to make it more "serious"
>>216971694I love how the narrative shifted>Nolan didn't use cgi for Oppenheimer he actually build a real nuke>Interstellar had "realistic portrayal of space and science of space travel"But with the odyssey? Apparently that doesn't matter anymore it's all fantasy shit lol nolan was literally making "realistic batman" his marketing gimmick
>>216971694>in any case, the goal is to entertain
>>216971694THE ARMORLOOKSLIKECHEAPPLASTICCRAPYOU FUCKINGFAGGOT
>>216971694>muh historical accuracyhow about it looks fucking retarded?
>>216971817Agreed. I've watched every Nolan movie, but I am skipping this one.
>>216971694It's literally this post, but written by some "entertainment journalist"
>>216971694>>And in any case, the goal of commercial cinema is still to entertain.Vid related, the "entertainment" we may be headed to.
>>216971694The flaw is to assume that ancient people didn't actually believe these stories, mythology is not the same as fiction
>Mythological story set in a time period should not be historical.
>>216971694All American media is just capeshit.
>>216971817spbp
>>216985384I CLAPPED I KNOW WHO THEY AREI CLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPPED
>>216971694>the goal of commercial cinema is still to etertainThen why are they so bad at it?
>>216971694why is this movie about the Odyssey focusing so much on the Illiad?
>>216971694once again,Nolan and his gay agenda will perverse a great story about recapturing your soul from want. We can deduce by bringing the armor and characters closer to marvel then gladiator 2000 we can expect quips over dialouge and most certainly a very gay time battle inserted. Despite The Odyssey, being a perfect story, is quite ironic, there is no soul in this design, just super hero adjacent, and its about a story of the greatest beauty on earth (one's soul)
NOOOO THE HECKIN NOLANERINO DOESNT DO MISTAKES YOU CANT SAY IT LOOKS LIKE SHTI YOU CAAAAANT
>>216984943Learn to fucking read, you dense nigger. I haven't stated historical accuracry is the crux of historical and mythological fictio, in fact I did the complete opposite. Inglorious Bastards does quite many mistakes regarding props. My point was that a fictional event is not an excuse to disregard about the setting entirely and put stuff in there which feels out of place even to someone whose knowledge of WW2 only stems from Call of Duty games. Aesthetics, visuals and setdressing are important, that's why we make and watch movies about historical events regardless of how historically they are. To give the audience a perspective on a different world they are unfamiliar with, generally as a form of escapism. If the setting was irrelevant, the entire point of making a historical (or in Odyssey's case mythological) movie goes out the window.
>>216971694But Nolan has always been about the illusion of realism.So this director can make a big stink about trying to take a completely fictional person and story like Batman and "make it real", but we're supposed to ignore this tendency when he is doing a story based on real people and a real event?
>>216978917>both gendersUh-oh...
>>216985384Indians love that shit and they're 25% of the world populationmedia isn't for you anymore, Timmy
>>216978848The Odyssey starts like 10-20 years after the Trojan War, so if you want to be pedantic and go down this route, Nolan is fucking stupid for having the War in a movie called The Odyssey at all.
>>216978896Having the Trojan "Horse" be a mustang would honestly be a better or at least more intriguing movie to go see.Do some crazy anachronisms like in Jesus Christ Superstar.
>>216972131Damn, so Nolan is deaf AND blind ?he can't make movies, you litteraly can't hear anything >But muh stereo 7.1 and...I don't care, I can watch movies made a century ago and hear every bit of dialogue, without chaging my sound system or other shit
>>216971694>"riddled" with mythological elementsweirdly negative word for it
>>216971817ME MOM WAS A LAMPSHADE
>>216971694Yeah, why did they use wooden boats instead of big, luxurious yachts? Also why are they using sticks and swords instead of guns, are they retarded?
>>216971694From the man who set an entire movie inside a dream and made it as bland as possible
>>216984943Yeah, Hitler should have totally driven off in a Tesla with an iPhone in one hand and a mocha latte from Starbucks in the other, after screaming at his generals, "kill the Americans, no bussin, frfr."What a truly great pic that would have been. No one would have complained or taken issue because it's a fantasy story.
>>216980361This. His choices have always baffled me. He's a fucking idiot and he has no taste.
>>21697181780% of the replies to this are samefagged
>>216980264No, Homer tells the story of an epic that happened in the distant past. He was, supposedly, relating the feats that the ancestors of the kings he was talking to did during the war. There are several instances in which Homer claims that the heroes from the past were much stronger, braver and more virtuous than the men of his day
>>216986697Homers Illiad is a retelling of some ancient conflict of Doric ancestors in the Far North near the Polish-German border (that had numerous guys "weirdly" grouped with Italians and Meds - but it is other way around). Then the myth got transplanted on a new ground where they settled. Thus eg. snow, deep-black sea and other telling signs it is not Greeks vs "Troyans" (Troy wasnt identified with Hisarlik) but some kind of Proto-Slav or rather Pre-Slavic Veneds dishing it out with some other kind of Pre-something. There surely was some kind of North->South migration event and that is not the first piece of ancient scrap pointing towards it.
>>216971694people who hate on nolan only do so because he makes intelligent movies that filters them, while a normal person with average iq has no problem watching his films, dont forget that comercial films need to also entertain and he manages to do so while also making you think, and not just being mindless spectacle
>>216971694How about accuracy to the source material, shill?
The most accurate translations are even stupider: The Trojans destroy a section of the wall to fit the horse inside. It did not go through the gate.
>>216987219Complete bullshit. There's no snow in the Iliad and he constantly mentions the agean sea and the Greek islands surrounding Troy.
>>216987390Numerous times.Have some, Book XII:"So their cries urged on the Achaeans' war-lust.Thick-and-fast as the snows that fall on a winter dawnwhen Zeus who rules the world brings on a blizzard,displaying to all mankind his weaponry of war . . .and he puts the winds to sleep, drifting on and onuntil he has shrouded over the mountains' looming peaksand the headlands jutting sharp, the lowlands deep in grassand the rich plowed work of farming men, and the drifts fallon the gray salt surf and the harbors and down along the beachesand only breakers beating against the drifts can hold them offbut all else on the earth they cover over, snows from the skywhen Zeus comes storming down—now so thick-and-fastthey volleyed rocks from both sides, some at the Trojans,some from Trojans against the Argives, salvos landing,the whole long rampart thundering under blows."As for examples of naming things 1:1 when migrating: literally the whole New World. Those numerous Lincolns, Londons, Thames-es, Plymouths, Yorks, Guadalajaras, and other Baltimores copy-pasted willy nilly.
>>216987257Just read the source material. It's available free in a billion places.
could have made it a Cyberpunk style retelling of the story and no one would have been bitching
>>216981047Right would be more interesting and infinitely more memorable. What we have now, considering the cast and the props, looks like a shitty parody
>>21698451699% off one day only Buy temu
>>216971817True
>>216973516Hes black in spirit
>>216971694>it's shit on purpose
>>216978848The Odyssey takes place immediately after the Trojan war, Odysseus is the one who created the Trojan horse.
>>216985875>Aesthetics, visuals and setdressing are important, that's why we make and watch movies about historical events regardless of how historically they are.And most historical movies and tv shows always get things wrong or deliberately change things, you moron. That’s the point. People like you always choose to rage about stupid shit and can’t just enjoy things like normal people. If you want historical accuracy go read a fucking history book or watch a documentary. All this impotent whining about a goddamn ancient myths of all things is ridiculous and makes you a laughable loser.
>>216986635>NOOOOOO HE IS DRIVING THE WRONG KIND OF CAR AND LISTENING MUSIC FROM THE WRONG TYPE OF MACHINE!!’!!!!Oh no, how could they do this in my fantasy movie set thousands of years in the past that no actual average movie goer will care or complain about!?
>>216971694Agamemnon isn't even in the Odyssey as a character, he's only mentioned once and in passing as being murdered.
>>216971694Alright, if the idea is for Troy to be based on the epic poem with mythological elements, I'd like some Troy story to actually be full on mythological. Give me fucking Apollo shooting swarms of arrows, give me Diomedes kicking ass, give me some actual fantasy shit here.
>>216988653You think the cyclops is realistic? LMAO
>>216988484The Odyssey starts with Odysseus stuck on an island being used as a sex slave for years after he failed to get home from the Trojan war, not immediately after
>>216971694>Make a fantastical ancient world mythical film.>90% of the cast is in drab, cookie-cutter plastic "Greek" armor from Alibaba.The "mythical" elements like the Gods are drab mystery meat-of-the-month.I mean The Immortals goes to far the other way, and it wasn't good, but it wasn't boring either. And like Titanic, this story (and genre) has been done many many times. What's the point if you aren't going to knock people's socks off with fantastic-looking elements?
>>216980264Troy was a real city.
>>216971694>Goal is to entertainWell clearly not, or they'd stop casting ugly people. We went from Brad Pitt, Orlando Bloom and Diane Kruger to whatever the creatures in Nolan's new flock are. I dont wanna watch ugly people. I wanna watch the apex of human beauty and charisma. Women I dream about having, men who are so hot they make me gay for moment.
>>216988779It starts with Telemachus while Odysseus is on Ogygia.
>>216972792So it's going to be Tarsem Singh's Immortals?
>>216971817>READ MY BOOK
>>216988652Odysseus talks to his shade and Menelaus recounts his murder in detail.
>>216981047Left looks like a parody. It's something out of Meet the Spartans.
>>216978917>Not necessary to prioritize historical sexism over inclusive gameplayHoly fucking shit... These people exist...
>>216981047We prefer it when it looks better than the retarded shit they came up with. Especially when they're just trying to shove in as many nigs and fags as they can. Everyone replying is lying about preferring the right, that's because it looks retarded. Simple as.
>you can't be accurate because it's a poemthis isn't even an argument
>>216989146Left looks like what $100 bucks would get you from an online costume store.
>>216989182Can you explain to me how left looks better? Right has everything going for it.>design instantly stands out, both aesthetically and in the heat of battle>offers actual protection, which is what armor is for>clearly something only a wealthy man could have, emphasizing Odysseus' status as royalty
Adapting an ancient myth requires a framing device, and in fact, many ancient myths included one (in the case of the Indian Mahabharata, several) so that there was some anchor point for stories that were developed over centuries by generations of bards and poets over hundreds of tribes and villages. A modern adaptation of an ancient myth should keep at least one level of the framing device in place - say, a specific retelling from the Iron Age, so that (even though the Odyssey is ostensibly set in the Bronze Age) the historical inaccuracies can at least be attributed to the expectations and biases from the audiences at the anchor point.
in my experience black people did not read the odyssey and don't give a fuck about myths because they can't even imagine not having breakfast so attempting to appeal to them seems like a losing strategy unless this is a producers situation where they are TRYING to lose money on it for tax write offs or whatever
>>216989233Left:clearly machine-stitched synthetic cloth in a drab color no one of important would wear around, in battle or otherwiserInjection molded plastic helmet with faux-leather trim, also clearly machine stitched.Right:thoroughly archaic, so out of time that it looks practically alien.Metalwork is clearly done in some primitive ancient eraColorful and embellished enough to let you know that the guy sporting this was wealthy.
>>216981047Left just looks like safe generic slop, it's not memorable and you probably wouldn't be able to pick it out as something that was used in this movie. Right is unique looking and stands out, so it seems riskier to use as people are use to seeing something like that, so they just go with the muted colors and generic helm and leather as it's probably a lot cheaper too.
>>216971859>>216971880>>216971881You guys think this crap looks good.
>>216989305>>216989343Right looks like a penis, so of course /tv/ likes it.
>>216989365No, I think it looks PRIMITIVE. Like what people who wipe their ass with a stick and a sea sponge would equip warriors with.Nolan's costumes are clearly safe, mass produced plastic shit.
>>216989233It looks like shit. Shrimple as. Same reason you hate the Odyssey armor, and rightfully so.
>>216971694The city of Troy was real, and Greek myth does have roots in some fact. And that's just a shit excuse for you darkies to justify stealing someone else's history and culture then shitting all over it.
>>216989387Whereas you are spending the morning riding Nolan's penis.
>>216989406>No, I think it looks PRIMITIVE. Like what people who wipe their ass with a stick and a sea sponge would equip warriors with.Yes, it looks like shit.>Nolan's costumes are clearly safe, mass produced plastic shitAnd the movie will do 1 billion in box office, while contrarians will cry and poop.
>>216981047Left has the neutral industrial grade grayness about every single detail. The pieces clearly look like they were designed and made by committees and machines.Right actually looks like it was designed and made by a fucking human, ironic since it's mostly metal.
>>216989415I don't know what you've been eating but my shits have never been that color
>>216989427I'm pooping right now, wtf
>>216989427This thing is going to do Dunkirk money. Save this post.
>>216989406>>216989448Yeah, it looks commercial because Nolan wants most people to enjoy the movie. He isn't a retard who wants to waste 250 millions of money making a flop that only would appeal a minority of edgy contrarians.
>>216989387Well I'm saying the design they went with is safe corporate slop option where they don't want to offend people like yourself with a unique design they people aren't use to seeing. They didn't want to take any risks, they could have even done a redesign while keeping elements of the original Mycenean armor.
>>216989520>Yeah, it looks commercial because Nolan spent the budget on stunt-casting and India's finest CGI, not costumes and sets.
>>216981047>the modern jew FEARS the bronze age aestheticHBO's Rome looked great with just linen, wool, bronze, and iron as their materialsits about making movies from the past feel representative of the past, not current day restyling by some fucking faggot costume designers
>>216971694The headline is a lengthy sentence fragment
>>216989520>he isn't a retard who wants to waste 250 millions of money making a flop that only would appeal a minority of edgy contrariansSo your argument is that he appeals to the lowest common denominator of brown, slobbering, marvel-loving npc faggots and therefore this makes him good? To me it’s the opposite
>>216989639But see, this looks nothing like the Roman-slop that Hollywood has been churning out for most of a century.
>>216989678Cunts like you don’t enjoy a good movie over completely inane and petty reasons so why should anyone give a shit about your views?
>>216989777Film is a visual medium
>>216989777Because I’m superior
>>216971694>admitting that Nolan just makes popcorn slopThis is going to cut him far deeper than criticisms on his historical accuracy
>>216971859I completely agree with you.
>>216989789This. If he was doing a homage to the tale, like Oh Brother Where Art Thou?, all this would be a nothing burger. set it in 2099 or medieval times and just allude to the tale and do whatever you want. But he's trying to do THE story, and I'm sorry this is just made-up Hollywood trope costumes, setpieces and costumes. This is the kind of shit a nobody Director would make with no pull and Studio-mandated casting.
>>216971817Fbpb
>>216989365>>216989520Holy shit are you being dumb on purpose? Anon isn’t saying he wants historical accuracy. He’s saying the movie Nolan made looks like dogshit. Every shot of the trailer is like an edgy 80s dark fantasy AI video, especially the Agamemnon “slow forward while he turns around” bit.The movie looks bad. That’s the complaint. It looks shitty and bad and the costumes, colors and set-pieces are drab. None of the actors fit their parts and everything shown feels like he’s going, “hey check it out it’s the Odyssey” instead of, “holy shit those dragon teeth came alive.” The entire movie is lore-bait but somehow made for faggots.C’mon, misread what I said. I dare you. Say I’m still bitching about historical accuracy.
>>216978917
>>216989255>argos waiting for his master.webmYou just know Dolan is going to fuck this up tooI don't know how it would be possible to fuck up such a simple thing but he's going to autismize it
>>216989954>Also, Trump.
>>216989963It will be seen as a modern-day miracle if there's no badass woman with a sword somewhere.
>>216989657Journalists are paid to write and most of them don’t know how, what else is new.>>216989772Clash of the Titans isn’t a good pull because that was considered dogshit when it came out and most people even now consider it dogshit. Troy warmed on people due to how it captured the essence of Achilles.
>>216989963>>216989995As much as I’m shitting on Nolan, I think Argos will actually be the only thing he does well because.Oh my god, he’s going to do a CGI dog. That’s the fuckup. It hit me as I’m typing this. Hollywood is gay and probably doesn’t have a “hideously old dog” actor laying around so they’ll just CGI one in.
>>216980691these old-school archeologists, and especially Schliemann, were pathological phantasists, con-men and glory houndsnot anti science but i just don't trust anything they touched
>>216990076>Nolan>CGnah if there's just one iota of goodness about Nolan is that he hates CGI - mostly because he's so autistic that he doesn't have the neuroflexibility to imagine anything that isn't shot "in-camera"
>>216971694Why did they cast a gay jewish guy as the hyper masculine figure in the movie?
>>216990140Who cares? The casting is so nasty and tone-deaf that it’s just another log on the pile of turds. The Odyssey is an obscene list of every major actor and actress left in Hollywood.
>>216971817OP BTFO
>>216990136Where are they going to get the dog, then? Argos is meant to be pathetically ancient, all they’ve got in Hollywood are pit bulls and rat terriers.
>>216990345>Where are they going to get the dog, then?more important question is what breed should the dog be
>>216990780Corgi, since we are going for "broad appeal".
>>216990140Poor Nolan was forced to cast him. its a Mulholland Drive situation. Nolan obeys like a good boy.
>>216971694Isn't it a little early for damage control?
>>216990086It's reasonable to doubt Schllemann, but there's no real reason to doubt Korfmann and the archeologists that worked on Troy during this century.
>>216971817Based and (((industry))) pilled
>>216991360>Schlie(((mann)))>Korf(((mann)))
>>216971694People are just rightfully mocking Nolan since he always sold himself as a dude that went the extra mile for accuracy, to the point where people were mocking that the nuclear tests in Oppenheimer were done on site.Now the hack just uses 3D printed shitty armor and viking boats.
>>216991454Maybe it's a TDKR situation, where he's obligated to shit out some vehicle for the Studio's "current stars" to fund some future project that's at least quite a bit less stupid.
I can't believe that retard Jon Bernthal is in
>>216971694more avatar and odyssey spam
>>216989365What movie is this from?
>>216989365sighI just don't want cheap super hero tier outfits that look like printed plasticand I'd like some architecture that doesn't looke like it was made by a 1950s soviet
History is way cooler than anything modern day womanized America produces and that's a fact.
>>216981453the italians hadn't been invented yet
>>216982018Not until Hellenic rule did they trot out Serapis
>>216989365Looks dope as fuck
>>216971881>Looks like a design from a movie trying to sell toys retarded manchildren will defend this
>>216971694sing in me, o muse! sing of the rage of the kikes, who brought countless ills upon the film industry
>>216992075That's the Iliad, you mong
>>216992103Sing in me, Muse, and through me tell the story of that man skilled in all ways of autism
I would like to hear the argument as to why this wouldnt go as hard. Especially when you have handsome/rugged actor and the helmet is tilted back (as it was out of combat). I think they did really good job with the helmets, weapons and shields in 300, however ridiculous it was otherwise.
>>216992277>Sing in me, Museyou wanna get pegged by Muse?
>>216992283benis :DDDDD
>>216991142>>216990780It’s going to be a Pit Bull because that’s what big strong manly men own.
>>216992283Hollywood is deathly afraid of not showing faces even with very ugly actors.
>>216971694>it's all made up, the jews say, so there's no issue with us ramming as many subsaharran africans as we can into the story I want off this wild ride. The wrong side won ww2, and I'm tired of pretending otherwise.
>>216971694how is subsaharran nigs larping as agamemnon entertaining?
>>216971817the browns on this board will watch it anyway. these idiots actually watched barbie and that latest antifa-slop movie.
>>216971694why does his armor, which is supposed to be made from bronze, resemble cheap plastic?
>>216972288i'm convinced that no nolan fan has an iq score over 95.
>>216971694>gets mogged by a late 90s miniseries
>>216992851Pit Bull played by Brad Pitt
>>216993011>YOU BETRAYED THE LOGOS
>>216993011That's all of modern televison and movies. Several leagues below watching Kevin Sorbo pretend to punch dudes into the stratosphere and Lucy Lawless pretend to be lesbian.
>>216991663>read up on the actual story of caesar's assassination>premonitions, betrayals, quick-thinking and wit, desperation, improvisation, him ignoring people trying to reveal the plot and save him, extremely impactful historical event which could have gone either wayThe real story's so much more interesting than the fictional slop we got in that rome miniseries.
>>216993053Watched through Hercules with my dad as a kid and some Xena, was comfy afWish they made more shows in their vein
>>216992882Karl Urban will always be great because he never showed his face in Dredd
>>216971694It looks like shit.
>>216971694I'm guessing no cyclops or minotaur but rife with niggers.
>haha jsut turn you're braine of bruh :-)
>>216971694Fine, lets make a Superman movie were everyone dresses like George Washington.
>the goal of commercial cinema is still to entertainHasn't seemed like it for years now.
>>216982018Ancient egyptians were not the same race as subsaharan africans
>>216973516very distracting watching Happy Gilmore 2 because the whole time my brain was like "what is wrong with his face?"
>>216971817Fpbp /thread
>>216982801Damn you seem so much more enlightened and detached than him
>>216971694>nooOoOOOOoooo you HAVE TO LIKE (PRODUCT)! >(PRODUCT) was made by the last director who can pull audiences!>stop saying you don’t like how it looks just shut up and buy the tickets
>>216975835This
>>216981047Left literally looks like a re used ai video game stock asset
>>216984943Wow you’re actually dumb Like a stupid person with a small brain and a low iq
>>216985090Yeah it’s almost like woke racial politics ruined Hollywood or something
>>216994627That would be cool. A revolutionary war set Superman movie. Good idea. Captcha are terrible .
>>216971694So, it’s okay to take a Chinese story like A Journey to the West and make every single person in it black just because it’s a fictional tale?Have a little more sense than that.
>>216971694Nolan really dropped the ball not hiring a man of color to play Odysseus.
>>216988518no one said movies have to be documentaries, brainletpointing out when the set dressing breaks immersion isnt the same as demanding 100% accuracyif the setting doesnt matter, why advertise it as “realistic,” brag about research, and lean on the prestige of “history” and “myth”? just make a marvel fantasy thenyou only say “its just a movie bro” when the studio choice looks stupid, but suddenly care a lot about art, politics and representation when it flatters your sidealmost like you are politically and emotionally invested in endorsing things that people don’t want or need aka race swapped media attacking white culture you’re a piece of shit person and you’re bad at gaslighting *spits in your ugly face*
if I win one of the billion dollar lottery pots, I am funding an Age of Bronze trilogy based on Shanower's work.
>>216988593So you’re saying you’re politically invested in endorsing bad media that people don’t like Interesting
>>216985268This but I also skipped Tenet for having a nigger in it.
>>216990140Nolan has had a gun to his head since tenet bombed
>>216971694It's a classical Greek story set in classical Greece. Why shouldn't the casts and costumes look authentic?
>>216995913>>216995933Not them. but you are the one coming off as politically invested. Nolan has made dumb, clumsy films without it being cultural pressures.
>>216995968Yeah that was before dei and esg and when he had clout and power and controlSo if you want to defend the race slop while meming his non race slop it exposes your biasBlack moron
>>216995994No really, you should get those brain worms extracted like Kennedy.Nolan is just blind casting the "most popular" celebrities the studio has available, with no concern for their suitability for the roles, he has never given a fuck. This is why Bane is 6" shorter than Alfred. Zendaya is popular in circles, available, and not adverse to a minor role in some action shit for boys.
Everywhere else you have to prove your identity, people love itCome to places like this this happensI have yet to hear a single complaint about the fucking asian crew memberWhatAFuckingSurprise This is why asian women don't fuck you
>>216996073>"This recently popular, studio available actor, who is 2" shorter than ME, Christopher Nolan, shall the Big Guy (for me).
>JUST CONSUME THE SLOP YOU FUCKING CHUD!!!!No, I refuse. I won’t do that
>>216989365>Picks the most outlandish mycenenean panoply on purposeishygddt
I mean everyone else had noticed You brown or yellow retardsNot a single Complaint From places where you don't needTo prove your identity About the Asian crew memberTwitter, reddit, YouTube Everyone's noticed and are laughing their asses offYou fucking manlets lol gee I wonder who is complaining about race And janitor and mod is Asian and doing this shit elsewhere
>>216971694When European traders first made contact with the subsaharan region of Africa, in the 1400s, the indigenous people were, developmentally, 2500-4000 years behind Europe, putting the darkies, in the early iron age.So the jews can understand, putting niggers in the odyssey is like putting mayans in charge of the concentration camps during WWII.
>>216972912This image single handedly ended all these conversations.
>>216996073Yeah so it’s slop and you’re defending it because it’s niggered up just admit it you retarded pussy you suck at gaslighting
>>216996073Yeah, that guy reads as an ESFJ, SD-SF (Nurturer Temple) to me.Why ESFJ (Fe–Si axis) • Fe hero: everything he says is framed as “normal people just enjoy things”, “you’re politically invested”, “laughable loser”. He isn’t actually arguing the point, he’s policing what’s socially acceptable to feel about the movie and trying to shame you back into the herd. Classic Fe moral posturing. • Si parent: he leans on precedent to excuse this casting – “Nolan has always blind-cast popular celebs,” “he’s never given a fuck,” “this is just how movies are.” That’s Si: appeal to past patterns and “this is the way it’s always been” as justification. • Ne child: he projects motives onto you (“brain worms,” “obsessed,” “politically invested”) instead of arguing specifics. Ne child gets anxious about alternative interpretations, so it reduces everything to “you’re crazy / overthinking it.” • Ti inferior: when pressed on logic (why is this case different?), he short-circuits into insults and hand-waving rather than tightening his reasoning.Why SD-SF: • SD (Structure-Focused): he reflexively defends big-studio norms and current-year hiring practices as “just how the system works,” and frames resistance as a personal pathology. That’s structure-loyal, not ideals-driven. • SF: feelings and social harmony > principles. He isn’t defending a coherent aesthetic standard, he’s defending people being allowed to “just enjoy things” and his own comfort.So yeah: ESFJ SD-SF reddit-lib media hall monitor.
>>216971694That helmet looking like cheap plastic is fucking awful regardless of historical accuracy or not
>>216996332Imagine being a Professor of Culture Warz.Lol. LMAO.If only you had invested this effort into your actual life.
>>216971817Yep/thread/
>>216996463Well let’s seeI can make smart posts and you can’t so it’s actually easier to assume I’m doing better than you
>>216996524>I can make smart postsIt's incredible that you believe this, and aren't just trolling for lulz.
>>216996463>>216996554Hyper-focused on social reputation and shame (“loser,” “normal people”), crusading for the culturally “approved” stance while projecting her own insecurity about status. Very SF-social-credit energy.Now I’m going to start guessing what you look likeFat with glasses?
Mythology doesn't explain why their gear is from 700 years in the future from the fall of Troy.
>>216971694the truth behind the myths is more interesting desu
>>216971859If the movies goal is to entertain the fucking costumes should be entertaining too. Not look like they were 3d printed in someones basement
>>216996666Doesn’t matterThey used race swap casting which makes any aesthetic criticism now instantly suspect and invalid due to the boyega principle
>>216996744boyega principle = when studios turn casting into a political tripwire so you can’t criticize the movie without walking into a racism trapshort version you can paste:the boyega principle is when a studio makes a really conspicuous race-coded casting choice in a legacy ip, not to serve the story, but to serve marketing and armorthe role is picked so that any complaint can be reframed as “you just hate [x] people” instead of “the writing / tone / direction sucks”it moves the argument from “is this good?” to “are you a bigot?”how it works: • take a famous property with built-in fan expectations • drop in a “statement” casting choice that will obviously change the vibe (or clash with the setting) • spend the promo cycle hinting that pushback = prejudice • media runs cover: every bad review is “toxic fans,” every concern is “racist backlash” • result: quality is off limits, you are forced to defend yourself instead of critique the filmnamed after how disney used boyega’s casting in star wars as a moral shield: any criticism of the direction, tone, or character handling could be smeared as “angry racists mad a stormtrooper is black” rather than “this trilogy is creatively bankrupt.”
>>216971817
My argument is I'm not going to watch it.
>>216996771boyega is different because star wars can presumably be anything, being based in a different galaxy. am i wrong?
>>216996954It’s not different because we had lando and mace windu who were well made cool characters who because fan favorites Finns character is objectively badly written and any criticism was instantly dismissed as racism which makes no sense any way you look at it
>>216971817>Nigger stole that armorGive it back
>>216971817Funny how Asians complain about blacks and are ignoring the asian sailor. Are you brown or yellow?
>>216982018You fucking idiot one of Achilles most difficult opponents was an Ethiopian prince called Memnon
