I doubt any live action tv show can be as experimental as End of Evangelion.
>>216984295>experimentalIt's an eclectic collection of tropes that were already established in previous decades. Show's from mid nineties.Evafags are one of the dumbest shonensloppers around, Jesus.
>>216984295Better than Breaking Bad for sure, but still inferior to The Sopranos, The Maxx, Gunnm, The Ravages Of Time and The Legend Of The Galactic Heroes.
>>216984295Evangelion is for 13 year olds, though.
>>216984321Midwits like you are hilarious desu.
>anime
>>216984295it is kino but its no sopranos
>start watching this the other week>hey this is actually great, weebs were right for fucking once>immediately begins sexualizing children every episodeerm
>>216984464>Eva>Midwits>Being ironicYou are below the median IQ.
>30 year old show>still talked about today yeah, its kino
>>216984613/tv/ is a bunch of failed millenials / xers, so it's a given. DBZ threads are a staple here.Zillenials and below outside of this cesspool don't care much. In retrospect, Naruto had larger cultural impact.
>>216984295Tranime agp
>>216984390>inferior to...>Gunnm>The Ravages of TimeYou were making a real point and then said gibberish.
>quirky take on genre fiction that midwit pseuds with no interest in genre fiction proclaim as the greatest everTwin Peaks and Eva are really similar.
>>216984777The Return and The Rebuilds nail the comparison even further.
>>216984777Twin Peaks was never glazed to that extent.
>>216984295>The writing is good, guys!You can just admit you want to fuck 14-year-olds, this is 4chan.
>>216984574do not watch Rebuild if it shocks you
>>216984578I can cave your skull in.
>>216984295Go back to /a/
>>216984295It's one of the best shows I have ever seen. I'd love some other recs you guys thinks touches the concepts, themes. I've still never found anything like it. Definitely had a psued feel, but what media doesn't feel pretentious, psued when tackling such major themes?
>>216986457Very few media tackle themes of depression, loneliness, self-worth, etc...in such an earnest way.
>>216984295It's mediocre shit with one of the most unlikable protagonists of all time.
>>216984295Ah, I have such nostalgic memories of being a 14 year old weeb and thinking this cartoon was the best thing ever.
>>216984295Boring tranime. The Sopranos and BB are fun
>>216984295>dweeb shit
>>216984295Breaking Bad and The Sopranos have capeshit tier writing. Not hard to surpass them.
I watched EVA and just thought "This is 0079 but shit".I don't even like 0079 that much, but I at least can stand Amuro.
>>216984295>NOOOO I’M FILLED WITH SO MUCH DOUBT AND SELF LOATHING I CAN’T DO IIITTTTFuck any anime that does this, dropped immediately. Same deal with Attack on Titan.
>>216986643Breaking Bad yeah but not really sopranos.
FLCL is Gainax’s actual masterpiece, not NGE.
>tranimeGrow up
Why yes i am 13 years old why do you ask?: The anime
>>216986490Yes and doing so inevitably puts you into a certain bracket of media. Most people who consume anime are subhumans, its just the way it is. So when they see something so challenging you get retarded opinions because most anime enjoyers literally don't understand what the show was going for.It reminds me of Battlestar Galactica. When that show started tackling heavy themes, the later seasons, it really turned people off and extremely similar criticisms of BG have been said about Evangalion.
>>216986769Sure but it doesn’t make this >>216986680 any less grating.
>>216986769Tbf Eva is well respected within the anime community. It just has a lot of vocal haters.
What I believe Eva tries to convey is one of the most devastatingly beautiful ideas that I've ever had the pleasure of being on the receiving end of. Lots of people have tried to pick it apart to varying degrees of success, with the rest just dismissing it as "pretentious" trite. Among the accepted analyses, the most prominent ones are that of it being a sort of deconstruction of the Mecha genre of anime with most attention falling on the character archetype tropes and how they would have actually worked out in the real world, or that of it being a cautionary tale aimed at "otaku" that brings to light the fragility of their unrealistic expectations from life and disproportionate effort they put into it (in short, a coming-of-age tale told from the point of view of the main character with whom you were supposed to relate to).But what I feel is that people fail to take into account the often neglected message of the work. One that speaks of love, how it almost always results in suffering, and how it is still worth your life for the moments you are in love. It strives to establish again and again that misery is what awaits ones who let down their walls, but in the end, it states, and goes to show through the brutally anti-fantastic cast it brings together, that it is the only respite that us lost souls can have.Cont..
>>216986951Cont..Shinji remembers at the last moment that though he could keep running away forever, and though he is not to blame for it, he could never live with himself burdened by the guilt he would shoulder. It is not his courage that allows him to give everyone a second chance, merely reason. Still, he realizes he has much to learn and he is no hero, as the first thing he does after he sees Asuka on the shore by his side is lose himself in rage and frustration. When a miraculous act of acceptance comes forth from her, he pulls himself together, not without regrets for the way he acted. But he decides not to give up on the world, even if it is one that hates him.
>>216986961Just to add, what I took from the show was escapism. Shinji ran from every conflict he encountered. And when he did face those problems head on, he fails. So he retreats farther into his mind and pulls back. Escaping. With the last episodes, Shinji has no choice but to embrace all his failings, and thus tries to escape again by dissolving reality into oneness. Eventually realizing this is no way to live, he gives humanity, and probably, selfishly, himself. He wasn't a hero, he was a tortured human being acting as such. Pathetic.And the idea of indivuality. When everyone was one, there was no identity, there was no pain, no hope. Nothing but one singular entity with nothing "real" to anchor to, and thus no part of a reality. When everything was "normal", Shinji was tormented by his peers. Failed time and time again to live to their, and his own, expectations. Yada yada yada yada, eventually he realizes that is exactly what makes an individual. The failures, the triumphs, the sick little thoughts you have (especially as a teenage boy). The show is a work of genius.
>>216984390Diao Chan best girl(male)
>>216987264Mahjigga
Is this show even available to buy anymore?
>>216984745I highly doubt you actually read them and just watched the mediocre adaptations instead.
The ending was pure psychobabble. It isn't deep. People think they're smart for writing paragraphs explaining it to prove that they "get" it.
>>216984574>start reading Lolita the other week>hey this is actually great, litfags were right for fucking once>immediately begins sexualizing children every pageerm
I’m convinced that every anime would be improved by a good western revising the scripts and filtering out all the bad Japanese tendencies.
>>216987450a good western writer*
>>216986279You can't even get out of bed, dysgenic freak.
>>216987473I really wish 4chan had never learned the words dysgenic and phenotype. If I could magically mind wipe those two words from this website, it would be a huge improvement.
>>216986457>>216986490>>216986769I never liked this meme, but Jesus Christ you lack meida literacy Very few media tackle themes of depression, loneliness, self-worth, etc...in such an earnest wayThose themese are the most fundamental ones in existence, were explored in every medium from paintings to operas. In no way this basic coming-of-age shonen slop with tacky sci-fi cliches adds to those universal ideas.
>>216986951>>216986961>>216987185Never seen a anyone write anything meaningful about breaking bad. Just saying.
>>216987534Ok I can call you a good old mouth-breather instead.
>>216987662That’s much better actually.
>>2169876511. It's a retarded superficial babble worthy of YT essayist 2. There is more than enough of similar bullshit about BB, we even had it in here
>>216987690I'm a phoneposter and often drunk, so dashes scare me.
I dislike the show, but me getting mad about Evangelion is ridiculous. Because it'll re-re-re-release in theaters again, if not this year, then the next one. And you faggots will rush to watch the latest anime Youtuber talk about his theories. I don't even know if this guy >>216986951 is copypasta, because that's how annoying Eva faggots are.You guys are on every board, you just repeat shit you heard on discord/youtube whatever. And worshipping mid-wit Evangelion style media is what people have always done in the past, will continue to do in the future. Why am I mad?
>>216987644>Those themese are the most fundamental ones in existence, were explored in every medium from paintings to operas.We are talking about modern media midwit and even then, your operas don't have the modern(superior) understanding of those topics :)
asuka
>>216987697>Anything more than 3 sentences is YT essayist.Insecure pseud, kek.
>>216987185Centering the show around one of the most annoying whiny little bitch boy characters in the history of anime was certainly a choice. Not a good one imo.
>>216987733Anti-Evangelionfag meltdown is always hilarious to watch.
>>216984295Wait until you see End. Absolute kino.Amazing how it still filters retards who don't realize it's a deconstruction of the mecha genre
>>216986728/thread
>>216984295EoE is only experimental in the sense that they just used the entire second half to beat on the otakus after rolling fake credits and probably making the nerds leave the theatre. Anno basically did the same with Shin Godzilla and the fukushima disaster, and Shin Ultraman criticizing japs for being feminine pussies, and he finally got the make the Tokusatsu kino he'd been wanting to with Shin KamenRider and then fucked off. Anno's based. >>216987864it's criticizing otakuism as a whole, anno was unironically disturbed by the Otaku Murder case and regretted getting into animation. Rebuild series is basically just him seething about how he needed anime to fund his live-action tokusatsu flicks, literally ending it with evas fighting in a tokusatsu set while calling the audience Christ-Killing Niggers
FLCL > Eva > Kare Kano > Nadia > Gurren Lagann > Panty & Stocking > Gunbuster = Diebuster > Abenobashi > Otaku No Video > Re: Cutie Honey
>>216988113Sell me on FLCL. I haven't watched it.
>>216987644 >In no way this basic coming-of-age shonen slop with tacky sci-fi cliches adds to those universal ideas.You had a point and then lost it completely. I wasn't saying its the only anime, or piece of media, that tackled those themes. It takes them to the enth degree. If you can call Evangelion basic you are disingenuous and your opinion is discarded. Also, your reading comprehension needs some work.
>>216984295>plays fast and loose with the plot>no sympathetic charactersWhy is this anime so popular? Probably because most anime faggots don't even watch anime and just recognize the characters.
>>216987473I'll skin you alive faggot.
>>216988499it's short enough that you wouldn't have to commit much time to it anyways, watch it.
>>216984464Nothing in NGE was ground breaking>>216987421>written by juice russian commie
>>2169884991. It’s only six episodes long with excellent music and animation 2. It’s just a really good coming of age story that’s funny and horny and relatable
MODSTHIS BELONGS ON /a/
>>216987473Looksmaxxer>>216987864>it's a deconstruction of the mecha genreha
>>216988113This is close to my list but Gunbuster is much higher and flcl a bit lower.
when I was a teenager Eva seemed like a big thing, like such an artistic thing.With the years and books and films, I realize it was all toys. It's a training wheel, that many don't grow past it...well
>>216984295It’s better than 99% of all media so that’s not really saying much
>>216988499FLCL is 6 episodes of boner jokes and a bitch yelling in your ear. Sometimes the animation is cool but most of the time it's unfinished. Sometimes it's unfinished "on purpose". Nearly every second is a metaphor for teenage horniness and it spends the rest of its time psychologically manipulating the teenage ennui that they know their audience has. If you're the kind of person who hate Blink-182 for profiting off of teens by telling them what they want to hear then you will NOT like FLCL.
>>216984295>>216984464Amuro and Camille didn't always want to get in the robot either.
>>216988676Teenage you was right and current you is a retard
>>216988808shut up lmao, what would you know, EVA isnt even on the best 10 anime
>>216988771I agree it doesn’t resonate with me as much now as it did when I was a teenager, but it’s still unique and there haven’t been many other shows like it in the years since. The Pillows soundtrack is also excellent and reminds me of how Pete & Pete had Polaris as their 'house band'.
>>216984785One of those is way better than the other though.
>>216986457You might want to check out something called Mobile Suit Gundam.
>>21698880899% of the ones oldfags would list have 200 episodes of mid filler
>>216988863Yeah, that’s where a lot of anime loses me. I have no interest in any series over about 26 episodes.
TV Show Ending > EOE
>>216984295This is hands down the worst anime I've ever seen. Bad writing, bad acting, the MC is a mincing faggot who cries every episode. The second to last episode is 30 minutes of nonstop complaining from every character. Never finished this show and never will. Fuck EVA fags, you people are worse than Naruto tards.
>>216987644Cool now please do an analysis on Emma's character arc in Gundam Zeta and tell me why you feel it falls short of what Eva accomplishes.
>>216988863meant to direct that there>>216988822Ideon for example is great but is also bogged down by a million fight of the weeks episodes to fill broadcast time.
>>2169889222deep4u
>>216987644>media literacyI bet I can guess the results to your HIV test
>>216988847>>216988798>>216988771Hello stoolbombz how have you been? Do you still post on /pw/?
>>216988952>mc crying and behaving like a literal toddler is deep>show never explainsNeck yourself
>>216988935Meant for>>216987185
>>216986951>>216986961>>216987185TY for writing this out, anon. No matter what anyone else says, Eva is one of the most impactful pieces of media I've ever experienced, and makes me reflect on my own humanity in ways that very little else does. So many people only engage with the themes on a surface level and don't really care more than to just shitpost and point out some of the more glaring flaws without ever really trying to understand the core message that the series is trying to convey. EoE in particular is an absolute masterwork imo.Also, say what you will about the themes of the show, but I don't think anyone can disagree that the show is a masterwork of handdrawn animation. I love the aesthetic of the show so much, and the weird bio-mechanical fluidity of how the angels and evas move around is so unique.
>>216988840They are both shit, although by different reasons.
>>216988965Sometimes but yesterday I was on /v/ drawing porn of Donkey Kong raping Pauline.
>>216988984Shinji is pretty universally despised and it makes the series really difficult to get through, especially in the first few episodes.
>>216989025Do his testicles finally drop in the last episode? I had to bail during the THIRTY MINUTE MONOLOGUE ABOUT NOTHING the episode before it.
>>216989013Kek, have fun neighbour.
Getter robo is better
>>216988935I watched Zeta Gundam when I was 12 to 14. Barely remember any of it.
I feel like people stumble over NGE being weird or experimental, as if it needs to justify being so by also being the greatest work ever made. Like it's threatening to your own sense of being an intelligent person by being slightly unconventional, and therefore must be held to a ridiculously high standard. Can't two things be true at once? NGE is weird, and it's also good.
>>216989172>>216989179Did you watch the original show first or were you confused when Amuro showed up and then psychically experienced the death of tens of thousands of people at once? That part would be pretty wild without context.Yeah it has multiple times the episodes the Eva has, and very little filler. It's pretty dense, I'm not surprised an Eva fan can't remember all of it.
>>216989245I’m with the other anon. Shinji is just too whiny and annoying for me to put up with. I had to drop the show.
>>216989344Nevermind the fact that Mobile Suit Gundam directly leads into Zeta so there are even more episodes. And ZZ Gundam starts off it's own thing for like ten episodes and then it turns into a follow-up of Zeta. And hell War in the Pocket is another continuation. They didn't really stop being chronological until the 90s.So you have a decade+ of war theater and political intrigue written by people who lived through World War II. Eva is cool too because it's two dozen or so episode of teenagers not knowing how to ask each other for head.
>>216989344All the Gundam series are plagued by "fight of the week" filler (usually showcasing the new toy they want to sell to kids), some of it good some of it bad. I like gundam too but it's easily 50% longer than it needs to be in pretty much every case.
>>216989344Yeah, I watched the OG Gundam first and then Zeta. Only watched part of double Zeta.
>>216989432I coomed buckets to Haman Khan more than any Gundam girl thoughbeit.
>26 episodes of agonizing whining>"Wait... maybe it's okay that I am me">*pop* "YAAAAY CONGRATULATIONS SHINJI YOU FINALLY FIGURED IT OUT!!!"
>>216989425What about when Amuro went to that desert planet for multiple episodes? He saw his mom for the first time in years and she almost turned him into the bad guys because she's that firmly anti-war. She slaps her son and treats him like a violent thug, like the war was his idea.I don't remember a fight in that episode but I guess there could have been. I remember almost every episode of Eva has an angel show up for a fight scene. And I'm positive Eva has sold merch of all these designs. Can you expand on your point a little more?You describe it as a fight of the week like a new monster or robot shows up every time. It's more like Japanese wrestling where the same to guys fight numerous times an incrementally learn how to counter each other's techniques. Psycho Gundam is in more than one episode, and they build a lot of tension around it. Nevermind the character dynamics at play with whose piloting the damn thing.
>>216989543Yea there are good episodes, then there are episodes where two side characters test out their new anti gundam tech and die and nothing really happens repeat 10X more to fill in broadcast time.
>>216989528It's called character development
>>216989587Can you remind me of that episode so I can address it more specifically? I assume their deaths actually did have something to say about war and perhaps fealty but those would obviously go over a 12 year olds head, right?
>>216989644God, I am glad other tv shows don't have character development.
>>216984574I've jerking off since i was 12 years old. Does this fact freak you out?
>>216989644The nature of instrumentality forced the change upon him albeit.
>>216989693no cause they were boring episodes lol
>>216989528>the moral of the deepest anime is "jus b urself"
>>216989735I'm gonna assume those episodes don't exist because I don't remember them and I wasn't 12 when I watched it.
>>216984295If breaking bad is your barometer then you’re going to find a lot of anime is much better.
>>216988917few understand it
>>216984295This is the worst anime I've ever seen
>>216984745It is undoubtedly inferior to Battle Angel Alita
sex with misato
End of Evangelion mogs it and is one of the best animated movies of all time. Neon Genesis Evangelion walked so that EoE could run.
>>216988613Its groundbreaking for anime standards and there hasn't been an anime that has reached its sublime heights since. Its a masterpiece and arguably the greatest and most original coming of age tale of the 20th century
>>216991024This. It's boring as fuck
>>216984295Pleb.
>>216992402NGE has an episode where Asuka and Shinji must DDR dance to defeat a lava angel.
>>216991098Specially if you bring up the Last Order sequel into the equation. As I said, I doubt this anon has read the original series at all.
>>216984295You should watch Nadia: The Nautilus Story.Anno directed it, and there's a lot of evangelion in there. And it's also very good.https://nyaa.si/view/1682596
I always like posting this videos in Eva threads. The bit about the similarities between the openings of Eva and UFO are the best bit about inspirationhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LB12HNNDDcc
>>216987264
>>216984295It is, but Breaking Bad isn't even good.
>>216987264>>216987286>>216996411Odd to see so many ROT patricians here. I stopped years ago during the Chibi saga, planning to fully re-read it this year!
>>216988847It's not good.
explain the plot to me and try not to inadvertently prove it's retarded because japanese men thought rifling through a bible is enough to base whole anime on some unrelated concepts from it
>>216996818It's a pretty standard mecha show.Aliens show up and the only ones capable of beating them are teenagers piloting giant robots that have the souls of their mothers inserted into them There's also a secret cabal that plans to merge everyone into a single consciousness.The rest are details
>>216996818>explain the plot to meWhy? Are you retarded?
>>216984613The imagery is excellent in places. The hints of excellence in terms of mysteries and answers but then it falls short.
>>216984295ENTER
>>216997218Nadia was hot but also annoying as hell
>>216997218Just be sure to watch the series, the film is apparently crap at least according to MAL
>>216988499FLCL is only great if you're a retard and 13. It can still be somewhat enjoyable if you're just one of those two, but if you're neither, it's gonna suck.
>>216984295It's one of the most overrated shows I have ever seen. I'd rather die than ask for some other recs you guys thinks touches the concepts, themes. I hope I never again find anything like it.Had a massive psued feel, totally pretentious, psued trying and failing to tackle major themes
>>216997218Great show with an awful filler arc. Many such cases on anime series overall.
>>216984295>teenagers getting mind broken by shitty authority figures while ayys who are trying to reconnect with their dad do genocide Yeah, you’re actually right lol
>>216997489Only pretentious people use the word pretentious unironically.
>>216997743but you just used it twice?
>>216997884That makes him better than (you)
>>216996818It's not based off the bible at all. The cross imagery is just because the creator thought it looks cool and retards read into it. It's a boilerplate mech anime with boilerplate japanese child sexualization and homosexuality.
>>216996919He hasn't seen it just like everyone else who likes the characters from the show. I think most weebs just watch vtuber slop and pretend to watch anime now.
>>216989528It's not okay because he's a fucking retard
It’s the best anime of all time, closely followed by SCHOOL DAYS
>>216984295babby's first 2deep4u
