You now remember The Simpsons mocked an actual tragic event
>>216985779Yes, and? It's called satire
>>216985779based
The army should have killed more students
>>216985779>wah! wah! my boyfriend's so lazy he sleeps in the middle of the street! everyone feel sorry for me!fucking hippies
>>216985779>Four nude in OhioKek
I literally learned just now that every protestor who died was JewishLike one in fifty Americans is a jew, how does that happen
>>216985779those students are responsible for the woke shit we have today.
>>216986089uh
>>2169860893 of the 4 were dirty heebs who died complaining which is like sports to them.
>>216985779>tragic
>>216985779The girl on that picture isn't even a student, she's a teenage runaway who later went on to an illustrious career as a prostitute serving some of the finest trailer parks in Florida.
>>216985779Reminder that most Americans at the time recognized the commie students as deserving it.Also:>Early Life
>>216986202>She was followed whenever she left her house by reporters and hecklers, and the family received many death threats. Messages received included, "What you need is a good beating until you bleed red", "I hope you enjoyed sleeping with all those Negroes and dope fiends", and "The deaths of the Kent State four lies on the conscience of yourself."[
>>216985779That's actually quite surprising considering how much of a mindbroken lib boomer Groening isHe still seethes about a man who's been dead for nearly 32 years now
>>216986429>Boomers grumbling about internet death threats when they'd pull shit like this
>>216985823The time to do that was 1969 with the various university takeovers. Nixon had the mandate to purge the shit out of everything
>Shrieking, subversive hippies getting popped in publicthe tragedy is it isn't happening now
>>216986503Yeah I didn't know they were so based either
>>216985779no one fucking cares. It was funny at the time, and there is no one left on the show who was responsible for this gag. You're actually a retard if you think anyone should give a fuck
>What are you gonna do, shoot me??
>>216985779>bunch of hippy peaceniks getting shot>tragiclol
Why DID they shoot them again? Where'd all that come from? They hose the darks but blast away at the pales. Were the hippies that scary?
>>216986089>>216986115Oy vey noticing is illegal, remember your social-credit score
>>216985807>>216985823>>216986106>>216986159>>216986226>>216986523>>216986617BasedThe US government has a right, nay, a DUTY to terrorize and kill it's own citizensThe only good American is a dead American
>>216986689Those Jewish “citizens” were terrorizing their fellow students at Kent State.
>>216986671It was self defense. The hippies were throwing rocks, lighting buildings on fire and making constant threats of more violence. And the national guard was only called out after the hippies had been engaging in this behavior for the better part of a week.
>>216986760You know, funnily enough, the whole tiananmen square issue where the CCP killed all those dudes is AFTER the protestors started grabbing cops/soldiers & burning them alive too.
It's honestly really cute to see how some people will just bend over backwards to justify the state actively and maliciously murdering its own citizens in broad daylight purely because THIS time it hit some kikes instead of a group they might care about.
>>216985779/pol/ coded thread
>>216986803If the group I care about is stupid enough to bring rocks to a gunfight they don't deserve my care.
>>216986760Hmmm. Reminds me of a certain summer of love.
>>216985779McCarthy was right, but unfortunately was powerless because they already owned the media
>>216986803>It's honestly really cuteIs it now? It gives you the same wholesome, fluttery feeling in your stomach that you get when you see a puppy or a baby bunny frolicking through a meadow?That’s weird man. Go see a counselor.
>>216986803Why didn’t these commies give a fuck when the government used the fucking army to force white people in Arkansas to live with niggers?
>>216985779I'm glad
>>216986689If they want to wipe out Americans who want to actively undermine and degrade their own country from within, just tell me where to sign up, and I’ll fucking help. Boomer commie faggots have ruined everything.
>>216986803>>216986689"Citizenship" is just pedantic technical garbage and very distantly secondary to being a member of the same civilization. If you're burning stuff, pushing a political initiative to let all the thugs out of jail, pushing a political initiative to let all the third worlders in, then your status as a "citizen" isn't important to members of the civilization you're attacking as an internal enemy.
>>216986518The Kent State event led to a sharp decrease in college campus protests you gotta give it that.
>>216987019Cool, now face the wall please.
>>216985779>dead jews>tragic
>free speech until its something i dont likei love political brainrot hypocrisy
>>216986803>chuds are shortsighted and ignorant Who would have thunk?
>>216987193>chuds<--- Tumblr is that way
>>216987173>if my camp does it it's good>if the other camp does it it's badI just LOVE the two party system! Almost as much as I LOVE finding which image has exactly 4 empty boxes!
>>216987129Thanks, at least you're being honest with me about how things are for once. You're in the minority though and will lose of course
>>216986477It's entirely possible he didn't like the joke and was ignored by the writers and show runner, he's basically just a figurehead
>>216987173>>216987288>Let me use the tools of democracy to make violent crime free of consequences and irrevocably import third worlders who will never assimilate. Why can't we compromise???
>>216987290I just applied your way of thinking to you. If you had enjoyed any sort of education on human history you would not be stupid enough to assume you won't ultimately fall victim to your own totalitarianism just because you obediently kissed the boot.
>>216987288thats pretty much the philosophy of every fag arguing politics on the internet, especially to strangers
>>216985779>I have to be in the shot with the dead body!Why are women like this?
>>216987344>Let me use the tools of democracy to make violent crime free of consequencesViolent crime such as the state murdering citizens in broad daylight?
>>216987129>Cry for 'muh right' >Muh police bad>Is actually a facistChecks out
>>216987398Judge said it wasn't murder.
>>216985779>far left proto antifa group protesting against the Vietnam War at the time on the Kent State Campus>this protest quickly spirals out of control and turns violent>Spills into the town where riots break out and the police are called in>this goes on all weekend>riots culminate in the protestors setting the JROTC building on fire>when fire fighters arrive to put it out, riots start attacking them and slashing their fire hoses >finally, the National Guard is called out to quell all of this mayhem>4 students are killed after the National Guard opens fire on the groupThis is what happened. I was always sort of taught that they shot them while they were doing a drum circle or something, but its amazing to learn how much boomers lied about this specific event to bend the narrative to help themselves.
>>216986803There’s nothing to justify. Dumb commies fucked around and found out with GI’s who had just come back from stacking bodies in Vietnam. Nothing much too it.
>>216987398How many citizens have been murdered by the State vs. how many have been murdered by rioting leftshits & petty groid criminals?
>>216987019Remember anon
>>216985823Should have gone all Radetzky on their asses, served them as they were served in 1848
>>216987431A judge also said Floyd was a victim of both murder AND manslaughter at the same time even though he provably died of a drug overdose.
>>216987398Everyone involved was found innocent tho
>>216987455They were national guardsmen, they didn't go to Vietnam.
>>216987458Quiet, pajeet
>>216987495>state investigates itself and found itself innocentOh dear really? How did that happen.
>But in the immediate wake of Kent State, the loudest voices were often the furthest to the right. Townies picketed memorials and came up with the gruesomely triumphant slogan "The score is four / And next time more." The nation followed suit; one Gallup poll's results had nearly 60% of respondents put blame on the Kent State students for their own deaths, vastly outnumbering the 11% who blamed the National Guard. Based townies.
>>216986106>>216986892Chuds can't even get the basic facts straight.The counterculture crashed and burned, hippies lost.America being a dystopia today is because the squares aka The Man aka the right won
>>216987492A jury said that you retard. The Ohio national guardsmen opted for a bench trial.
>>216987477>America being a dystopia today is because the squares aka The Man aka the right wonPFFFT HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!
I miss the good old days, when this site was still libertarian and not infested with election tourists.
>>216987441There's people now who believe Kyle Rittenhouse walked up to a Kumbiyah line and mowed down black people while screaming his praise for Hitler.
>>216987502Point still stands. They fucked around and found out.
>>216987524see>>216987441Kent State was crafted, by left wing boomers, into a martyrdom case. Reminder that boomers only protested the Vietnam War for as long as the draft lasted. They were basically just seditious cowards (literally flew communist flags at protest) who paint themselves as brave defenders of democracy or whatever.
>>216987524Wow, citizens side AGAINST the violent, barbarian-in-the-gates retards that were destroying their town and side WITH the people who were protecting it?Letfbros, how do we cope with this???
>>216987527
>>216987551>libertarianyou mean naziboos
>>216985779>tragic event>communists being killedI like how the left was so "anti war"Hey does that mean they were anti WW2? We should have left Hitler alone? Is that what they meant?No, apparently not.Then they picked it up again to be against the Iraq War.And then changed courses to be pro Ukraine war.Hey fuckheads, being only against wars you dislike, and in favor of wars you like, is not an ideological position. You don't get to claim moral superiority or being 'anti war.'Just say you like left wing wars and hate right wing ones.
Lotta edgy boys itt who never leave the house kek
>>216987527Your conception of history is fake and gay, retard.Next you will tell us drumpf was elected by Russian agents and everyone hated himIdiotYour 'counterculture' that absolutely dominated music, media, celebrity culture, etc became the mainstream. Those people are all still doing very well for themselves. They're the professors training the young antifas right now. They took over the country. Just because the hippie movement served its purpose doesn't mean they 'lost'
>>216987398eliminating traitors
>>216987551Imagine being a libertarian in the current year(you aren't, you're a commie faggot, but you think you can manipulate people this way so you say it, typical commie behavior)
>>216987629Hitler declared war on America dummyVietnam wanted to be friends with America but was chimped out on regardless
>>216987633You mean the commies ITT sucking-off commie rioters & BLM, but never leaving the house out of fear of getting Rittenhouse'd?Yeah, I agree: They're pretty pathetic.
>>216987594This particular protest was about the students losing their draft deferments.
>>216985779They also mocked the baby that got eaten by dingos.
>>216987629>Hey does that mean they were anti WW2?Dude, it's WAY more recent than that. Leftists are currently screeching for Russian blood and unironically praising the Military Industrial-Complex.Leftists being "the anti-war/peace party" is laughable. They only oppose war if the enemy isn't White.
>>216987699>Hitler declared war on America dummyOut of nowhere, for no reason rightAmerica had people working very hard to keep it out of the war, and very hard to get it into the war. Guess which side the left was on?>Vietnam wanted to be friends with America but was chimped out on regardlessWhat is "Vietnam"? The communist insurgency?Yes, Hitler wanted to be friends with Britain and America too. We should have just been friends and let him conquer Europe then right?
>>216987629>Hey does that mean they were anti WW2?AKSHULLY a lot of leftist in America were anti-war during WW2 in the early days of it. It was only because at the start of the war, Stalin had allied with Hitler in their joint invasion of Poland and Comintern sent out the letter to all internationalist communist groups to be anti war.
>>216987758Tbf all that mockery, by the Simpsons and everyone else, was about the accent. Baby just sounds funny when an Australian says it.
>>216987792Woody Guthrie wrote a song praising the Soviet invasion of Finland.
>>216986115that lad on the left ain't no heeb
>>216986115no way thats not jeffrey epstein
>>216987819exactly, they are SO full of shit. Leftist can only ever justify their existence now out of this paranoid idea that only they can stand against Nazis (a power that hasnt been relevant or a threat for nearly 100 years at this point) and even this is a lie. Leftist entered WW2 on the side of the Nazis, they advocated Soviet aggression that was no different from Nazis, and now they lie about history.All this shit is why a lot of popular support for the socialist movement, which had grown during the great depression, died off in America. People saw these guys sucking off Stalin.
>>216987792>>216987819God they are just such fucking pieces of shit. Somehow it's always even worse than I expect and my expectations are so low.
Films where the US military is portrayed as an active antagonist to the average American:The SiegeThe RockEscape from New YorkBroken ArrowAny more?
>>216986477>He still seethes about a man who's been dead for nearly 32 years nowwho?
>>216986988yup it was certainly communism that ruined America
>>216987915Punishment Park. Surprised it isn't more popular with chuds
Who here wants to overdose on thoughtless Boomer cliches and self-mythologizing?https://youtu.be/Wagc1YOxzic?si=jStW_sLHD2KX0SS4
>>216987920Nixon. Groening's political awakening came in the late 60s and he grew up in Portland and Washington State, so he naturally became your typical boomer ach-liberal.These days though he seethes more about the orange man. He was the one behind all those weird political Simpsons webisodes (that didn't even have anything to do with the Simpsons beyond the art style) because Al Jean wouldn't let him do it on the show itself, and in the end Fox were so embarrassed by them that they deleted them from their official channel.
Beautiful and heroic portrayals of the USA military and its defense of USA citizens include:Warfare and Lone Survivor. Many USAers saved. Watch these films and be inspired.
Most of the people in this thread are low IQ. That being said the narrative around Kent State is probably bullshit.
>>216987991>Leftists commit murder incomptently>communism killer millions!Which one is it, ESL-kun?But I agree with you, the right are remorseless killers who should be opposed on all fronts
>>216987950Yeah, obviously. Wide open borders and free gibs for anyone who gets across, government 30 trillion in debt with no productive economy, race communist ideology.It must be... the right wingers!!
>>216987792>>216987819>>216987897This is why Johnny Got His Gun was made btw. Communist writer Dalton Trumbo wrote the book in 1939 and started publishing it in serial format in The Daily Worker. This horror story of an American soldier losing his arms and legs and eyes ect in WW1 was meant to discourage and scare people away from supporting another World War. This was only done because Comintern was allied with Nazi Germany, so he was working on Stalins orders to convince Americans not to go to war. The ONLY reason these people changed their tune is because the Nazis invaded the USSR in 1941. Thats it. They immediately changed pace and went from vocal anti war to the most war hawk section and it was only to protect a hostile rival foreign power of the Soviet Union.
>>216987991>>216988025Leftists murder their friends, rightists murder their enemies.Nazis murdered many fewer communists than communists did. >>216988007Wow you added a LOT to the discussion though.
>>216986803>>216986689>>216987398>We're citizens just like you goy hehe...
>>216988037Communism literally built walls and restricted people's movement with an internal passport system (based).Also under communism if you don't work you don't eat.Open borders and the welfare state are crapitalist policies all in the service of the bourgeoisie, tranny
>>216986089>>216986115at last i truly see.>>216986689forigners are not americans, the soil of the country does not impart some magical power to your dna when you get born here. theres a reason the jews burned the 1890 census data, they were afraid of being deported if whitie ever realized just how many of them had snuck in illegally. >>216986503all the based boomers dies of cancer in their 60s as a consequence of working dangerous jobs, pioneering unregulated industries, and various other life shortening events. all we have left are the worthless boomers who just grifted off other people's hard work.
>>216988092>Open borders and the welfare state are crapitalist policies all in the service of the bourgeoisie, trannyand yet, every single communist supports them. Communist are anti white.
>>216988092So cringe how lefties on here try to do this>Open borders and the welfare state are crapitalist policies all in the service of the bourgeoisie, trannyYou mean the bourgeoisie who keeps voting against this stuff? Also you're really claiming 'government spending billions of dollars on welfare and social engineering is capitalism'? Do words just mean nothing to commies?
>>216987915If you make a movie using US military vehicles and maybe uniforms the DoD needs to approve your script. So not many want to piss off the military entertainment complex. Apocalypse now is a big one they didn't like
>>216988203Right they would just conjure it out of the sky. Since they think that's how all wealth is created, and the greedy capitalists just scooped it up first.
>>216988183>>216988203>You mean the bourgeoisie who keeps voting against this stuff?Look up the donor list for the Democratic party. You won't find Joe Sixpack's name there>Also you're really claiming 'government spending billions of dollars on welfare and social engineering is capitalism'? Do words just mean nothing to commies?Read a history book, the very first welfare state was born in Imperial Germany, a crapitaloid country. It was literally a scheme designed to stifle communist revolution among the working class, just like it remains today
>>216988220>The Military won't HELP make anti-Military Propaganda for freeWow. Literally Nineteen Eighty-Four.
Their only fault was turning their guns on the student protestors and not their professors. This country would be a much better place if they took out all of the commies that infiltrated academia.
>>216987711Commies don't have a house to leave. They either have mother's basement or a shitty apartment crowded with too many roommates.
>>216988293>Look up the donor list for the Democratic party. You won't find Joe Sixpack's name thereYeah, isn't that my point? The bourgeoisie keeps voting Republican. The proles have always been reactionary. It is only the lumpenproles and ruling class who vote leftist.>Read a history book, the very first welfare state was born in Imperial Germany, a crapitaloid country. It was literally a scheme designed to stifle communist revolution among the working class, just like it remains todaySo now you're anti welfare?Retarded history lesson aside, welfare has become a policy of the left. Trying to pretend otherwise isn't useful.
>>216988371This plus those who felt disinclined would be shot so it works out great
>>216988295no shit, i'm saying most producers wont turn down the free shit provided if you do get your script approved. also if anybody said "literally" to me in real life I would roundhouse kick them in the head. You should stop using that word.
>>216988371No one will mourn your inevitable suicide
>>216988460>Retarded history lesson asideHes objectively right though anon. The Wellfair state was set up by arch imperial conservative Otto von Bismarck to cuck the socialist. Communist have historically hated the idea of a well fair state bc it cuts off their supply of desperate plebs begging for salvation. If you are now defending the welfare state you are admitting that communism/socalism is retarded. How do you think the welfare sate is funded? By taxing the capitalist.
>>216988531Look dumbassThose are still left wing governmentsThey made concessions to the left to win/ take its supportThat implies that they made left wing concessionsActual right wing governments, which came before, did not have welfare and you would actually starve if you didn't workIn both socialist, communist, and left wing modern systems, that is not the case. At worst you get some made up government job warming a chair.Welfare state is left wing. Don't do the communist thing of saying "well it's not EXACTLY what I want in my perfect communist utopia, therefore it's a capitalist right wing plot." I'm not going to sit here and argue with that shit.
>>216985779After what happened in future generatiins, more university students must die to make the world a better place
>>216988503>i'm saying most producers wont turn down the free shit providedSo? Who's fault is that? If your ass will ditch/subvert your own "anti-military" message for your film just to save a few bucks, your "message" wasn't worth anything to begin with.
>>216985779>a jewish guy mocked Christians in their moment of painNo. Way.
>>216987950>turn the Education System into an Indoctrination System that currently churns-out Antifa Shock-Troops>open the borders to millions of invading anti-White third-worlders>tax hard-working White people and then give it to non-Whites & drug-addicts so they can continue to live without having to workUnironically yes.
>>216988531>How do you think the welfare sate is funded? By taxing the capitalist.And that makes it PRO-Capitalist? You think Capitalist WANT to pay for that bullshit instead of keeping their money???
>>216989354>It's either [X] or [Y]>[X] is the Capitalist option>....[Y] is ALSO the Capitalist optionThis Morton's Fork bullshit where no matter what happens it's "ACTHUALLY Capitalism" isn't worth taking seriously.Welfare States are Left-Wing. Everybody knows it. End of story.
>>216988531Socialist movements have always been diverse and complex. Lots of modern demsocs come down on the 'reform' side of the reform vs revolution debate.
>>216989354>Marxist gibberishMarxism is dead. The left now doesn't care about it. Whichever side wins, you will probably die, either as an evil white male when the race commies win, or as a subversive commie when the helicopter people win. Time to pick a side. And by that I don't mean "use chud lingo in an awkward attempt to backdoor Marxism." We are smarter than you and that doesn't fool anyone.
>>216985779They're mocking porno mags, morons.
>>216989354>Jewish communism>Jewish capitalism
>>216989447I don't think it's binary. Marxism is around but with additional qualifications. Lots of prominent postmodern writers were Marxism in some shape or form.
>>216988646>>216989267>>216989440Im saying if you support the welfare state then you are NOT a communist/socialist by definition and are admitting that those movements are failures. You are admitting that the best possible system is one where private companies and rich people who generate wealth through profit of private companies are simply taxed for money sent into welfare programs. I know you're these angry little service job drones and you retarded and think "socialism is when you SHARE things like when I was a baby and was told to share because its nice durrrr!" but these terms and ideologies have specific meanings.
>>216989447> a wars coming and you need to pick asideYou are so incredibly gay and retarded holy shit. Get outside of mommys basement
>>216989571Welfare state isnt communist. You're a dumb useless retards who wants NEETbux bc youre too stupid to support yourself.
>>216989532I get what you're saying. What I'm saying is that many socialists believe in a reformist path towards socialism and this was historically the topic of much debate. There's much to suggest Marx himself was open to reforms within a capitalist framework:https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1880/05/parti-ouvrier.htmThe second last paragraph is most relevant
>>216989468>politically consciousWould you and the fucking faggots you're kvetching with please fuck off if you can't discuss film and television.
>>216989532>Im saying if you support the welfare state then you are NOT a communist/socialist by definitionWelfare Systems are LITERALLY Wealth-Redistribution Programs. People with money have it forcibly taken from them, and it's redistributed to people with less money.Wealth-Redistribution ISN'T "communist/socialist" now? Then words literally mean nothing.Can you fuck off you disingenuous marxist faggot? Nobody's going to take anti-logic pilpul like this seriously. I'm certainly not.
>>216988220>Oh no i have to rent a vehicle from a collector or paint one over from a scrapyard!>Oh no i have to pay a tailor to make uniforms!Truly my civil rights are stepped on.
>>216989624The welfare state isnt communist. If you support the welfare state then you are admitting that communism is retarded (which it is)Deal with it you useless faggot. Stupid ass loser who needs to leech off taxpayers bc youre so useless you cant even take care of yourself.
>>216987551Libertarians are just nazis who haven't hatched yet
>>216989674>It is what I want it to be!>It is whatever conveniences my argument at this point in time!Not how it works, Marxoid.
>>216989624You realize that this is the bourgeoisie willing to give the proletariat a few crumbs in order to forestall revolution and losing everything right?God the right is so stupid
>>216985823Do you know who else killed students? Pol Pot.
>>216989794Youre not a communist anon. I dont get why youre having such a needlessly hostile emotional melt down over this. If you wanna go get your neetbux bc youre too useless to support yourself then do it, but you're not a communist if you do so.
>>216986803>OY VEY CHUD, THIS COULD HAVE BEEN YOUnah
>>216989805>Marxism isn't what's dead, your version of the right is.Weird, I could have SWORN my side won the Cold War and yours lost.
>>216989796>Having no Welfare is right-wing.>...Having lots of Welfare is right-wing too...Yawn.
>>216986115allison is pretty bad though
>>216989907Nobody cares about what some Marxoid Cultist THINKS the definitions of words & concepts are. No shit you retards think even far-left concepts are "right-wing". You're mentally ill.But meanwhile, in the real-world & outside your cult, forced "Wealth-Redistribution" is Commie-Cuck bullshit.
>>216990214Ah, OK, so you're just delusional now.
>>216989844he had the right idea.
>>216989532It's so tiresome. Marxism is what has been done in practice Not what was written centuries ago in theory.Anyways he said the welfare state was a right wing capitalist thing. If you want to say it's not literal communism, then fine, but it's not right wing. Not everything that isn't "your specific and very archaic definition of communism" is right wing. That's another tiresome thing commies do.Yes, Marx never wrote about tranny children. Does that make it right wing? Well it's not part of communism's definition so it must be!
>>216990299>hurr durr im lazy and the government should take care of megrow up
>>216985779going to get banned from X for that these days
>>216989796The proletariat doesn't revolt. It never has and never will. The proletariat does not support welfare and redistribution. They are the ones who pay for it. You take their taxes and give it to the lumpenproles and the rich.It is amazing how absolutely clueless communists are.
>>216990252He has a point. America now and the rest of the west is pretty much ruled by insane far lefties. >>216990365>insane schizo seeks to ruin the thread by being an insane retard
>>216990600>You just moved the names around, functionally it remains a conservative solution to preserve the status quo.Ok. Fine. Of what use is this point or distinction? I see none.
commies seething ITT
>>216990108>>216988090>>216987455>>216987019>>216986829Very organic, real Americans for sure.
>>216986671The government is jewish. Jews REALLY REALLY hate whites and will always kill us at every opportunity.Really its the hippies being dumb stupid hippies, if they weren't willing to escalate beyond chucking rocks then it was inevitable the feds would step it up.
>>216987456If those riots were started and endorsed by the state.....>>216987517And then this always happens, nothing to see here, keep voting and paying taxes.
>>216989496Correct, communism and capitalism are 2 sides of the same jewish coin.
>>216992922When people say this they have some definition in mind of "capitalism" that involves a massive government, mass regulation of the market, cronyism, etc.Was the "capitalism" that made the West rich from the 1500s to WW2 Jewish?"Capitalism" isn't a system, it's the absence of a system. Free exchange and barter. What we have now is some sort of globalist neo socialism-liberalism hybrid.
>>216992502I mean the majority of the country elected the current president and it was based on how much we all hate you, so yes
>>216987456The state might not kill you directly these days they'll just release some schizo crackhead nigger to do it for them
>>216985779Heh that's actually funny
>>216989447>>216989496>>216989590>>216989602What did he say? It must have been retarded if he deleted it.
