/ourgirl/ editionPrevious: >>216997712
her voice is deeper than mine
I lost it when she knocked the shit out of that one girl with the stereo and they started wrestling,
There was no point in making Holly a full-fledged character in the last season
>Leave Vecna to me
>>217010052>no point to literally saving the show
>>217010060i don't know why this wasn't done to the scene where she actually raises her eyebrow and almost looks like that
>>217010018this character and her outfits are so fucking pedocoded, youd think Trump produced this shit
New season is weak as fuck, at least we have the spin off set in 93 coming though.
>>217010018Why did they have to drop the casual line that she has a crush on like the only black kid in their class???
>>217010018this cunny is going to be a starwe'll get spinoffs with her in the leadthe other faggots will be grown, maybe even parents themselvesthey will milk this like the Walking NPCs
>>217010149To make you obsessed with it and it worked like a charm because you are predictable as fuck.
Holly just farted wyd?
>>217010159MOGGED
>>217009424the final shot in hawkins is mike leaving flowers at will's grave before leaving. then he's at the airport in new york and el's there, and it gets revealed hopper's alive and he used his fed connections to figure out mike's flight so el can meet him again. will and el go to the beach(probably montauk) and burn will's flannel. the final scene is the vecna'd will killing jeeta and feeling warm, implying the real will is still in there somewhere and he can feel his friends mourning him.
>>217010164The show is just pozzed. Cast has hardcore zionists as prominent characters. It’s supposed to be true to the 80s yet the hot ginger girl (symbol of pure whiteness btw) falls in love with the black guy who has literally never done anything wrong ever. Holly has a crush on the only black guy in her class. There are TWO GAYS in the same friendship group and NOBODY even cares. Everything significant happens as a result of a woman or a gay. POZZED
>>217010018Iconic
>>217010199Fake an excruciatingly gay. There is no reason MBB would be sulky about such an ending.
>delete all existence of stranger things>re-cast holly as 11>re-write it all so it makes senseis this not the way?
>>217010267and you're seething at a canon story of a show. what does it tell about you?
>>217010060Damn Eleven is on that sigma millionaire grindset fr fr
>>217010246everyone thinks el's dead after the dimensional merge is stopped because nobody knows about will's time travel shenanigans. from their POV will got killed by vecna and el and jeeta self-sacrificed. even el is implied to not understand how she got yeeted out of the other world and she's kept around by now-benevolent feds that hopper works for(the vecna-will hybrid just kinda opens another portal and throws el back into the real world before trapping himself there with jeeta)the ending is some donnie darko / attack on titan bullshit.
Willwoofters...Mikemen...Dustindogs...Lucaslads...Joycejannies...Hopperheads...Elevenses...Nancyrexics...Jonathanjackers...Karenkoomers...Maximums...Stevechads...Robinrugmunchers...Murraymints...Hollypedos...How we holding up?
>>217010052I would agree if the quality and writing of season 5 were good, but with how bad everything has been, Holly and Derek are pretty much the saving grace of this shitshow.
>>217010333You're not making your fanfic less fake and gay.
I can't believe Will has AIDS
>>217010018Is it just me or does she look like Emilia Clarke?
>the entire series has to be wrapped up in one 2 hour episode tomorrowgee i wonder if a lot of stuff is going to be left unanswered
>>217010392
>>217010407>>217010386you should try to mask your seethe because of a canon of a show
>>217010392It's very much just you. Face blindness is a real thing, though, so don't feel bad.
>>217010018>Mike I need to put my stranger things in your upside downUnironically what the fuck did Will mean by this?
damn why erica lookin kinda..
>>217010464did she get surgey? her face is fucked in the show
>>217010018>>217010392>>217010458She's got those eyebrows.
gorgeous little cum plum
>>217010506wtf
>>217010506so. this is the legacy of a decade of stranger things.
>>217010018predictions for today?
>>217010284She literally never mentions the guy, never speaks to him, never looks at him at all. Derek is the only boy her age she interacts with and all her marketing and BTS appearances are with Derek's actor.
>>217010540>it didn't happen bro!!>>217010453
>>217010540>Derek
>>217010558she literally calls him whiteboy lol
>>217010018>>217010504>BritishDamn, she'll either end up hideous by 20 or ethereal. No inbetween
>>217010060Mileven child is absolute chad
>>217010540>She literally never mentions the guy, never speaks to him, never looks at him at all. Derek is the only boy her age she interacts with and all her marketing and BTS appearances are with Derek's actor.
>>217010528Game of Thrones level disappointment. There's nothing they can do that'll satisfy everyone so expect the IMDB rating for this episode to be low regardless of the quality of the episode.
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> look at me Will im your dad now
>>217010558holywho is this cute ayy girl
>>217010338>Murraymintswe good
>>217010464Vickie kinda looks like Irish Victoria Pedretti can't unsee it
>>217010598there's going to be at least half an hour of crying and hugging to try to avoid the same IP fate as Game of Thrones. everything audience surveys say the audience want WILL be delivered.
>>217010506uhh based
>>217010616>Will you can't choose your dad, but you can choose your daddy.
>>217010601>tldr; it's bad
>>217010551It has no relevance to the plot at all. May as well just be gossip because as I pointed out there's no indication at all she cares about him. In any case, at worst it's ragebait from nasty jew writers, but most likely they wrote the line before they had cast the nog. Still, it's completely unnecessary and out of place remark, regardless of what race Josh would have been.
>>217010648>seethecan you just look at yourself for a second
>>217010651Duffers going into dad-son incest territory
>>217010683dont understand your accent bro
>>217010551>>217010666whatever else, they forgot the character is meant to be 7yo, which is in itself fucking hilarious.
>>217010601true because it literally retcons and reframes all of s5 as a "bad timeline" and like half the episode is just will looking at events that transpire in the series and going "welp i gotta do this now" while slowly becoming vecna-like. >first 30 minutes marvel battles with death illusions>20 minutes of stronk wxmen confronting henry in his mind-palace>30 minutes of will becoming vecna and "fixing the timeline" so everything plays out exactly the same only he can put el back and stop the merge>20 minutes of marvel battles with different illusions >20 minutes of epilogue and sequelbaittoppest kek
>>217010666Trips of truth.
>>217010630cameron bicondova from Gotham she got fat
>>217010701>30 minutes of will becoming vecna and "fixing the timeline"yeah no way that works for the ST audience. this isn't Dark. they think they want the everyone-hugs ending.
what the fuck is a timmy? fucking retards talk about stranger things
>>217010018Awwwww sheit we got the final episode of Stranger Thangs nigga.
>>217010745you try setting up forum bots to discuss an imminent episode of TV convincingly.
>>217010041Same lol.
>>217010601>>217010664>>217010701What why would a rando on imdb have already seen the episode?
Why is no one talking about them making Robin bisexual?
>>217010162she is 14. at best she has two seasons in here
nancy educating holly
>>217010809Presuming there is indeed a spinoff, it won't be out until 2030 at the earliest.
>>217010794its posted by Netflix to try to limit the extent negative word of mouth for the season limits the first screening audience.
>>217010821man. they need to greenlit 3-4 seasons at once and then shoot them fast before the actors age out
>>217010841As if that would somehow make the writers work faster. They are the real holdup.
>>217010862it would be funny to see the kind of masterpiece they could craft in just 1 year now we know what they can do with 3 and unlimited resources.
>>217010794there are leaks floating around, i think from reviewers. >>217010809btw they copy weapons bar-for-bar and have all the kids vecna kidnapped go nonverbal and they're all being kept in the lab at montauk with hopper, 11, and the good feds watching over them. obvious sequelbait since the real montauk monster shit didn't happen until the 2000's.
>>217010885Exactly. It's striking to me that so far every single show that had a pause for the strike and nearly a full year of extra planning/plotting time still managed to turn into a rushed clusterfuck. Trying to think of one that didn't, but can't. From wasn't appallingly bad (wasn't great, either) but it was written before the strike.
>search the archive for holly pre-season 5>32 results>search the archive post-season 5>2471 resultsconcerning
>>217010938based
>>217010899>hopper, 11, and the good feds watching over themthey need to remove any OG cast members. all of them are old as shit and will ruin any spinoff just by their presence
>>217010938huh so /tv/ isn't really pedophilic after all
>>217010794>>217010899https://www.imdb.com/title/tt21914684/review/rw11078346/?ref_=tturv_perm_7>The episode isn't afraid of real consequences either. A long-time fan favourite meets his end in a way that feels tragically inevitable. There's no cheap fake-out, no undoing it later,just a moment of bravery that cements his legacy as the group's protector. The aftermath is handled with restraint, letting silence do most of the work.Stevebros...?
you'd think contracts for casting would include not allowed to get bogged
>>217010977this is about murray, 100%he dies and takes the black ops guy with him in both timelines. pretty much every other death is some kinda fakeout.
did i miss something? i don't recall a time travel plot
>>217010938>people didn't talk about the non character before she became a real characterno way!
10 years of following a show only for it to be shit... many such cases
so steve is 100% dying right?
>>217011097Jimmy wanted to grab handful of that rump
>>217011025it's just shills trying to create a spark of interest in the upcoming episode by implying it will have some kind of 200iq twist.
>>217011097David Chase was right, we're already back in the Network TV era where shows are never planned further ahead than the current season and get run into the ground then unceremoniously wrapped up.
>>217011122it's just gonna be 11 screaming at something...
>>217011008>murray>fan favorite
>>217011122Yup. Irony being when it doesn't happen it'll piss people off even more (like when they tried to pump up bylers).
the sound editing is fuckin annoying. every little thing that happens causes some loud sound effect.
>>217011144It's a shame Welcome to Derry has a laid out three season plan but Skarsgård is carrying that show hard
>>217011144There's nothing wholly wrong with doing that so long as the subsequent seasons respect the lore and characterizations of the previous. For some reason, though, these new writers can't seem to do that.
>>217011172Not that anon, but Steve shouldn't be possible because of the epilogue leaks
>>217011188Netflix only care about pumping up the initial viewing numbers, if the final episode is a dud then they've already known that for months.
Kali is the streetshitter god of destruction and time. They are going back in time to undo everything that happened in the show.
>>217011195>It's a shame Welcome to Derry has a laid out three season planAll these shows claim that shit, but it proves false every damned time.
the "it was a d&d game the whole time" thing is looking pretty good right now
>>217011211Assuming true, it sure as hell isn't Murray. No one gives a fuck about him. It fits Steve pretty well, though, especially after the stuff with Dustin.
>>217010018
$60 million dollars an episode btw
>>217011206it relies entirely on underpaid writers rooms being able to cobble something coherent together to make up for work the showrunners and creators didn't do. but we're already seen the quality dropoff you get from that in Game of Thrones and Rings Of Power, and being an underpaid writer in Hollywood is now barely even a solvent profession so you're not going to get hot future talents to work on the same show for years. also it only worked because Network shows used to be highly episodic and formulaic, but everyone now has the expectation that there will be proper stories and character arcs. most normies will probably just flee to reality TV and scrolling their phones.
mindflayer? more like mindgayer heh
>>217011211>>217011245there's a steve fakeout that isn't revealed as a fakeout until the big time travel twist happens. it looks like vecna kills steve, but in the "fixed timeline" it's will-as-vecna giving the group an illusion that normal will dies the same way.
>>217011216>They are going back in time to undo everything that happened in the show.I mean they already ripped off the God Particle from Dark, why not directly lift the ending of that show too lol
>>217011303What's the time travel twist? I'm not sure I understand from your post, does he actually die then they change the timeline, or is it just an illusion?
>>217011274>muh underpaidHorseshit. Try to peddle that crap somewhere else. You're talented or you're not. You care or you don't. You don't have to have a whole 5 season show mapped out in detail to write a story. You an make each season out of nothing. Just don't pretend the previous season didn't happen. It's not all that hard to do.
>>217011338It's all bullshit, anon. They aren't introducing time travel out of nowhere in the final episode. Even the Duffers aren't that hacky. At most there will be a bunch of memory fuckery because that's already there.
Hopper is obviously dying and he'll do the whole i can finally join my daughter speech
>>217011356>You're talented or you're not.you mean like the Duffers are talented? their lack of a plan, and the way most shows made today don't have a plan, is what's being discussed. the whole issue is that you don't need to do the amount of forward planning David Chase did to get a show greenlit and the quality of TV has already dropped as a result. read >>217011144
this time travel talk just reminded me about the flux capacitor jokes in vol1... it's totally happening then... that's called foreshadowing
>>217011395You speak as if Sopranos had a plan, anon.
>>217011338there's a scene where the girls are digging through vecna's mind to find the door to the other world, but they see will in the cave and kinda go "wtf" then proceed to kill vecnabut it was actually will and he goes on this big insane quest through his own memories that eventually put him physically back in time at the moment where henry gets infected by the mindflayer. he takes in the briefcase particles himself, becoming vecna and fixing the timeline, leaving henry creel as just a normal kid that never left nevada. he's also his own father lmao
CUNNY THINGS. STRANGER CUNNY.
What a fucking disaster of a season. Should have ended with the previous one. It was engaging, had fun adventures and an exciting climax. This one is a whole lot of nothing just baiting for the finale.
>>217010238Is this how gays see things when their cocklust kicks in?
>>217011521>eddie>argyle>muh desert shit>funNot a chance. It was shit and finally people are starting to realize it.
>>217011338>>217011450a time travel twist would make spin-off series, especially a reset, would make spinoffs too difficult. very likely we're heading for something much more conventional and focussed on setting up those spin-offs rather than providing a definite conclusion.
Bros... how are they going to redeem this? This season was so ass. There is no conceivable way that they end this in a way people are happy with.This entire season could have been a single 3 hour long movie, and would have been better than this shit.
>>217011471i keep saying this
>>217010558He could have won this situation if he stood his ground proudly with a raging hard on
>>217011211Description screams Steve by 99,9999(9)%!!!! At best the nearest to that description can be Nancy.It's Steve's plan and he is hoing to make so that Dustin would never loose a friend.First Dnd campaingn: a lost knight, a pround princess.
>>217011544well it ends with a bunch more kids potentially being psychic, holly definitely being psychic, will with fully realized vecna powers existing in the other dimension, and the mindflayer being revealed as a class of matter that can't be erased or killed(so SCP bullshit. epic reddit moment!).
>>217011544The time travel will just be them moving through Henry's mind, but that's all they are. Young Henry is probably still wondering around in there, as Holly said. He's trapped in his own mind like they were. None of that can make all the events unhappen, though.
>>217010601chatGPT turned up 100%>Not x but y>It doesn't just x, it ys>It's X without being y>It feels x, y and a wordier zI swear chatGPT was trained on articles by journos who haven't watched any of the movies they're reviewing
>>217011421a plan doesn't mean you know everything. but Chase has to have known Tony was getting fatally shot from the right-hand side as early as the second season because of the "3 o'clock" coma dream Chris has. plus the pilot is about Junior wanting to assassinate someone in Artie's restaurant, which is where the final scene of the show would have happened if Artie hadn't broken ties with Tony in the final season. he knew who the main characters were and roughly where he was going. Vecna didn't even exist until season 4.
>>217011609this but vecna succeeding in crashing the other world into the real world makes his memories "real" somehow. it also made will's memories real. the girls fight vecna in his memories, will physically enters the past through his interaction with vecna in his own memories. will nerf's henry and the girls kill him and then will becomes him. it's mindflayer exotic matter magic bullshit nobody gotta explain shit.
>>217011609hence its obviously just Netflix rumormongering trying to make the final episode sound like it has some big meaningful event we HAVE to watch. when really it just isn't possible to introduce anything really surprising this late and make it work. >>217011599yeah exactly. they're just going to make a bunch more Elevens and do a show about each of them in a different setting, as was obviously the Duffer's intent with the Indian woman as early as season 2.
>>217011216>They are going back in time to undo everything that happened in the showI wouldn't be surprised if they do this, and then start the show again but with different kid actors lol.The eternal slop printing machine
>>217010018I hope she's 6. That skull structure look weird on anything older.
>>217011636>Vecna didn't even exist until season 4.When did Phil show up? Chase didn't know shit. What he did, and what made him talented, was storymine his own creation to make each subsequent season feel coherent, even if it wasn't. Writers don't make long-winded plans because of the volatile nature of making a TV show. An actor might die or leave, you might get cancelled, you might get a better idea, the network might demand something. Modern writers don't do what Chase did. They go into the new season, they just ignore everything previous if they want. Take S5 of ST. They establish in S1 that the air in the UD is toxic and it's cold as fuck. Come S5, they just joke about how they're all able to walk around with no issues. The military actually has a base there. Out of nowhere there's a giant, fleshy wall. You don't need a 5 year plan for someone--anyone--to say 'hey, this doesn't work with what we did before'.
>>217011645wait this makes sense with the reddit theories. 8+11+1 = cumulative 20 to kill henry and will rolls a nat20 on himself to fix the timeline and sacrifice himself, which is a valid move in DnD.
What if Ben Kenobi was a loli that saved Luke from the Sand People?
>>217011541Nah it was overall good. Not as good as S3 mind but still a solid play to end the series on desu.
>>217010931Writers aren't carefully planning shows all year (or longer). They write each episode the week before the shoot.
>>217011008Murray is one of the very few likeable characters and I'm a gas all jews guy.
>>217011891Seasonal plots are indeed outlined before production starts, anon. Then they break down what has to happen in each episode. Then they break the episodes themselves, outline them, etc. Not every script is written before ep 1 films, but the story itself is laid out beforehand.
>thought Will getting powers was cool>he uses them one time, gets thrown into a coma for almost two episodes and comes out as gayWhelp
>>217011751>When did Phil show up?Phil isn't the final boss of the show, Tony is. the war with New York was always the obvious endgame. you don't understand what I mean by planning. Vecna existing changes changes the whole nature of the conflict from the setup in season 1-3, who is running the New York mafia in the final episodes of season 6B doesn't matter very much. the discussion is DOA because the Duffers have directly stated they intended to make an anthology show and so you're trying to say that zero plan is equivalent to having any plan at all. bye retard.
>>217011938this guy is mentally ill. still posting.
>>217011989>Phil isn't the final boss of the show, Tony is.LOL Now you're just embarrassing yourself. Vecna is not the final boss, either. The mindflayer is. For fuck's sake, man, Chase swapped Tony from boss of NJ in the pilot to just a captain in ep2. And you think he had a show-long plan.
>>217010931the strike wasn't the problem. creators planning short tightly plotted shows, then if the show was a hit stalling to have more seasons whilst also trying to have longterm character arcs and fucking it up, this is a phenomenom that goes back to at least LOST. the difference with the golden age of TV is that not ALL shows were like that. now we're going back to "just get your first season greenlit with a marketable premise, hope its a hit, improvize wildly to try to avoid being fired and replaced so you can keep taking credit and collect tens of millions per year for as long as possible".
>>217011984i thought they were going for the subtle route and making him realize he's a fag and awakening his powers and it's all a metaphor for how accepting yourself is a critical step on the process of actualization and reaching your full potential and they wouldn't even need to ever verbalize his gayness
>>217011990He's legit been going for nearly a week.
>>217012047I honestly that that was the case myself. The fact that he repeated "I'm not afraid anymore.." like C'MON IT WAS RIGHT THERE!!
>>217012033>Duffers have directly stated they intended to make an anthology show thanks for conceeding
how much longer until new episode?
>>217012045I think the core issue is the writers simply don't respect the principles of storybuilding. You ever listen to these new writers speak? They actually think metaphor is more important than the actual plot so they do whatever they want and for some reason think the meta and subtext fixes and excuses the plothole.
>>217012079>make no point>thanks for concedingThat's how you spell conceding, btw, Anwar.
Rewatching all of them, I'd easily the best stuff each season were the things revolving around the Upside Down.S2's best stuff was the Will subplot involving the Mindflayer taking himS3 was the diseased rat conspiracy turning into fleshy Mindflayer takeoverS4 was the Diet Nightmare on Elm Street stuff involving Vecna The worst parts have always been centered around the military
In hindsight, the only bad actors in this show are the ones who have the most important roles (MBB and Noah)
>>217012090yeah and you’re not mad right?
>>217012122>The worst parts have always been centered around the militaryYup. .It's like Yellowjackets and the hag storyline. No one gives a shit.
>>217012107>They actually think metaphor is more important than the actual plotyou can't take what they say in interviews at face value. they make writing decisions for one set of reasons then treat how they're going to talk to the press about the process as a separate problem, because that's the best thing to preserve their careers. yesterday there was an Event Horizon thread where it came up that in interviews for the movie, Paul WS Anderson (only previous major credit: the fucking Mortal Kombat movie) claimed to have been "inspired" by Tarkovsky's Solaris (he didn't actually have a writing credit on the film at all btw). Ebert was quoted as accepting that as a serious statement. it's all just meaningless PR talk enabled by the media.
>>217012122Military is always the least informed group so it looks especially dumb.
>>217012203I used to think that, but I've seen it enough to think they themselves actually do believe it. These TV writers legit sound like fans of their own work attempting make even the most mindless writing decision sound like Shakespeare.
>>217012121based, you are clearly better at TV than David Chase now. all hail the new king of prestige TV.
>>217012248>still can't argue anythingYou still think Chase had Sopranos plotted out, big guy?
>>217012243>I've seen it enough to think they themselves actually do believe itafter it leaked, J J Abrams went around telling everyone that Benedict Cumberbatch wasn't playing Khan in the second Star Trek reboot movie. of course everyone who saw the film knew he had just outright lied. apparently it just doesn't matter any more. pretending to be muddled artists who fixate on metaphors is just a cover for making decisions based on market research by the streaming service. with Stranger Things that started when Netflix realized they could just keep making the show about the same characters and make more money: the Duffers were in a position of either going along with this plan or quitting and I'm sure they did their best under the conditions commercial decision-making created.
>>217010938Knowing /tv/'s history, I thought they'd be all over her in season 4.
holly with josh while derek sits on the cuck chair
>>217012264moreso than the Duffers yeah which is what I was arguing.
>>217010364>Holly and Derek are pretty much the saving grace of this shitshow.This right here. Pretty much all of the other characters suck this season except for these two. Although they went all little TOO heavy on the girlbossery with Holly and her telescope this last episode though.
>>217012333Lying about plotting and casting is a bit different than my complaint, anon, which is their aggrandizing of their own work, even to the most mundane degree. In that respect, I actually think the Duffers aren't that terrible. They straight up admit much of this stuff was done on a lark. Why is Robin gay? The actress convinced them to do it. Why didn't Steve die like they planned? They like the actor. As opposed to someone like Lisco who waxes poetic about random plot shit.
>>217012410>Although they went all little TOO heavy on the girlbossery with Holly and her telescope this last episode though.It was fine. Max was being a pussy. I wouldn't even call it girlbossy. Nancy's shit with the tracker, now that was cringy.
>>217012360>OH N-
>>217012418>In that respect, I actually think the Duffers aren't that terrible. They straight up admit much of this stuff was done on a lark. Why is Robin gay? The actress convinced them to do it. Why didn't Steve die like they planned? They like the actor.yeah I agree with all of this and don't resent the Duffers personally. I've mostly been whinging about how this becoming the norm affects the industry as a whole. creatives coming across as pretentious libs in interviews doesn't matter to me very much, I mean look at James Cameron. but within ST itself the quoted decisions have wound up becoming liabilities. if you want to kill a character like Steve off, you don't cast a likeable actor then write all his scenes like he's Han Solo and create the impression that he can't die. if they flipped the casting of Steve and Jonathan they could have killed his ass and every single subsequent John and Nancy scene would be better. that's why planning is important.if The Sopranos had been a Netflix show they probably never would have been able to whack any of the main cast because the good writing and casting would have made normie audiences reject it at the storyboarding stage. so doing a good show may be becoming literally impossible.
What went wrong?
>>217012336Season 4 Holly is a different actress and barely in it
No one can mog eleven
>>217012620OneLast Time
>>217012547ozempic/meth/veganism
>>217012079Not that anon but David Chase is a underrated hack. He only wrote the first and last episodes the stupid lazy cunt and people pretend he's some god.
>>217012540>if The Sopranos had been a Netflix show they probably never would have been able to whack any of the main cast because the good writing and casting would have made normie audiences reject it at the storyboarding stage. so doing a good show may be becoming literally impossible.No doubt. Remember HBO actually objected to Tony whacking Febby.
we live in a timeline where normies on instagram, twitter, tiktok are all openly lusting over holly while /tv/ is being very gentlemanly about it...
>>217012547>bucced
>>217012726we're a refined bunch
>>217012547Good to know she's always been ugly
>>217011274>Underpaid writersThey're not underpaid - I shit for free.
Argyle bros... I dont feel so good..
>>217012839He should have stayed chubby. Twink death got him