her voice is deeper than mine

I lost it when she knocked the shit out of that one girl with the stereo and they started wrestling,

There was no point in making Holly a full-fledged character in the last season

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>Leave Vecna to me

>>217010052
>no point to literally saving the show

>>217010060
i don't know why this wasn't done to the scene where she actually raises her eyebrow and almost looks like that

>>217010018
this character and her outfits are so fucking pedocoded, youd think Trump produced this shit

New season is weak as fuck, at least we have the spin off set in 93 coming though.

>>217010018
Why did they have to drop the casual line that she has a crush on like the only black kid in their class???

>>217010018
this cunny is going to be a star

we'll get spinoffs with her in the lead

the other faggots will be grown, maybe even parents themselves

they will milk this like the Walking NPCs

>>217010149
To make you obsessed with it and it worked like a charm because you are predictable as fuck.

Holly just farted wyd?

>>217010159
MOGGED

>>217009424
the final shot in hawkins is mike leaving flowers at will's grave before leaving.
then he's at the airport in new york and el's there, and it gets revealed hopper's alive and he used his fed connections to figure out mike's flight so el can meet him again.

will and el go to the beach(probably montauk) and burn will's flannel. the final scene is the vecna'd will killing jeeta and feeling warm, implying the real will is still in there somewhere and he can feel his friends mourning him.

>>217010164
The show is just pozzed. Cast has hardcore zionists as prominent characters. It’s supposed to be true to the 80s yet the hot ginger girl (symbol of pure whiteness btw) falls in love with the black guy who has literally never done anything wrong ever. Holly has a crush on the only black guy in her class. There are TWO GAYS in the same friendship group and NOBODY even cares. Everything significant happens as a result of a woman or a gay.

POZZED

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>>217010018
Iconic

>>217010199
Fake an excruciatingly gay. There is no reason MBB would be sulky about such an ending.

>delete all existence of stranger things
>re-cast holly as 11
>re-write it all so it makes sense
is this not the way?

>>217010267
and you're seething at a canon story of a show. what does it tell about you?

>>217010060
Damn Eleven is on that sigma millionaire grindset fr fr

>>217010246
everyone thinks el's dead after the dimensional merge is stopped because nobody knows about will's time travel shenanigans.

from their POV will got killed by vecna and el and jeeta self-sacrificed. even el is implied to not understand how she got yeeted out of the other world and she's kept around by now-benevolent feds that hopper works for

(the vecna-will hybrid just kinda opens another portal and throws el back into the real world before trapping himself there with jeeta)

the ending is some donnie darko / attack on titan bullshit.

Willwoofters...
Mikemen...
Dustindogs...
Lucaslads...
Joycejannies...
Hopperheads...
Elevenses...
Nancyrexics...
Jonathanjackers...
Karenkoomers...
Maximums...
Stevechads...
Robinrugmunchers...
Murraymints...
Hollypedos...

How we holding up?

>>217010052
I would agree if the quality and writing of season 5 were good, but with how bad everything has been, Holly and Derek are pretty much the saving grace of this shitshow.

>>217010333
You're not making your fanfic less fake and gay.

I can't believe Will has AIDS

>>217010018

Is it just me or does she look like Emilia Clarke?

>the entire series has to be wrapped up in one 2 hour episode tomorrow
gee i wonder if a lot of stuff is going to be left unanswered

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>>217010392

>>217010407
>>217010386
you should try to mask your seethe because of a canon of a show

>>217010392
It's very much just you. Face blindness is a real thing, though, so don't feel bad.

>>217010018
>Mike I need to put my stranger things in your upside down

Unironically what the fuck did Will mean by this?

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damn why erica lookin kinda..

>>217010464
did she get surgey? her face is fucked in the show

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>>217010018
>>217010392
>>217010458

She's got those eyebrows.

gorgeous little cum plum

>>217010506
wtf

>>217010506
so. this is the legacy of a decade of stranger things.

>>217010018
predictions for today?

>>217010284
She literally never mentions the guy, never speaks to him, never looks at him at all. Derek is the only boy her age she interacts with and all her marketing and BTS appearances are with Derek's actor.

>>217010540
>it didn't happen bro!!
>>217010453

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>>217010540
>Derek

>>217010558
she literally calls him whiteboy lol

>>217010018
>>217010504
>British
Damn, she'll either end up hideous by 20 or ethereal. No inbetween

>>217010060
Mileven child is absolute chad

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>>217010540
>She literally never mentions the guy, never speaks to him, never looks at him at all. Derek is the only boy her age she interacts with and all her marketing and BTS appearances are with Derek's actor.

>>217010528
Game of Thrones level disappointment. There's nothing they can do that'll satisfy everyone so expect the IMDB rating for this episode to be low regardless of the quality of the episode.

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> look at me Will im your dad now

>>217010558
holy
who is this cute ayy girl

>>217010338
>Murraymints
we good

>>217010464
Vickie kinda looks like Irish Victoria Pedretti can't unsee it

>>217010598
there's going to be at least half an hour of crying and hugging to try to avoid the same IP fate as Game of Thrones. everything audience surveys say the audience want WILL be delivered.

>>217010506
uhh based

>>217010616
>Will you can't choose your dad, but you can choose your daddy.

>>217010601
>tldr; it's bad

>>217010551
It has no relevance to the plot at all. May as well just be gossip because as I pointed out there's no indication at all she cares about him. In any case, at worst it's ragebait from nasty jew writers, but most likely they wrote the line before they had cast the nog. Still, it's completely unnecessary and out of place remark, regardless of what race Josh would have been.

>>217010648
>seethe
can you just look at yourself for a second

>>217010651
Duffers going into dad-son incest territory

>>217010683
dont understand your accent bro

>>217010551
>>217010666
whatever else, they forgot the character is meant to be 7yo, which is in itself fucking hilarious.

>>217010601
true because it literally retcons and reframes all of s5 as a "bad timeline" and like half the episode is just will looking at events that transpire in the series and going "welp i gotta do this now" while slowly becoming vecna-like.

>first 30 minutes marvel battles with death illusions
>20 minutes of stronk wxmen confronting henry in his mind-palace
>30 minutes of will becoming vecna and "fixing the timeline" so everything plays out exactly the same only he can put el back and stop the merge
>20 minutes of marvel battles with different illusions
>20 minutes of epilogue and sequelbait

toppest kek

>>217010666
Trips of truth.

>>217010630
cameron bicondova from Gotham she got fat

>>217010701
>30 minutes of will becoming vecna and "fixing the timeline"

yeah no way that works for the ST audience.
this isn't Dark. they think they want the everyone-hugs ending.

what the fuck is a timmy? fucking retards talk about stranger things

>>217010018
Awwwww sheit we got the final episode of Stranger Thangs nigga.

>>217010745
you try setting up forum bots to discuss an imminent episode of TV convincingly.

>>217010041
Same lol.

>>217010601
>>217010664
>>217010701
What why would a rando on imdb have already seen the episode?

Why is no one talking about them making Robin bisexual?

>>217010162
she is 14. at best she has two seasons in here

nancy educating holly

>>217010809
Presuming there is indeed a spinoff, it won't be out until 2030 at the earliest.

>>217010794
its posted by Netflix to try to limit the extent negative word of mouth for the season limits the first screening audience.

>>217010821
man. they need to greenlit 3-4 seasons at once and then shoot them fast before the actors age out

>>217010841
As if that would somehow make the writers work faster. They are the real holdup.

>>217010862
it would be funny to see the kind of masterpiece they could craft in just 1 year now we know what they can do with 3 and unlimited resources.

>>217010794
there are leaks floating around, i think from reviewers.

>>217010809
btw they copy weapons bar-for-bar and have all the kids vecna kidnapped go nonverbal and they're all being kept in the lab at montauk with hopper, 11, and the good feds watching over them.
obvious sequelbait since the real montauk monster shit didn't happen until the 2000's.

>>217010885
Exactly. It's striking to me that so far every single show that had a pause for the strike and nearly a full year of extra planning/plotting time still managed to turn into a rushed clusterfuck.

Trying to think of one that didn't, but can't. From wasn't appallingly bad (wasn't great, either) but it was written before the strike.

>search the archive for holly pre-season 5
>32 results
>search the archive post-season 5
>2471 results
concerning

>>217010938
based

>>217010899
>hopper, 11, and the good feds watching over them
they need to remove any OG cast members. all of them are old as shit and will ruin any spinoff just by their presence

>>217010938
huh so /tv/ isn't really pedophilic after all

>>217010794
>>217010899
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt21914684/review/rw11078346/?ref_=tturv_perm_7
>The episode isn't afraid of real consequences either. A long-time fan favourite meets his end in a way that feels tragically inevitable. There's no cheap fake-out, no undoing it later,just a moment of bravery that cements his legacy as the group's protector. The aftermath is handled with restraint, letting silence do most of the work.

Stevebros...?

you'd think contracts for casting would include not allowed to get bogged

>>217010977
this is about murray, 100%
he dies and takes the black ops guy with him in both timelines. pretty much every other death is some kinda fakeout.

did i miss something? i don't recall a time travel plot

>>217010938
>people didn't talk about the non character before she became a real character
no way!

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so steve is 100% dying right?

>>217011097
Jimmy wanted to grab handful of that rump

>>217011025
it's just shills trying to create a spark of interest in the upcoming episode by implying it will have some kind of 200iq twist.

>>217011097
David Chase was right, we're already back in the Network TV era where shows are never planned further ahead than the current season and get run into the ground then unceremoniously wrapped up.

>>217011122
it's just gonna be 11 screaming at something...

>>217011008
>murray
>fan favorite

>>217011122
Yup. Irony being when it doesn't happen it'll piss people off even more (like when they tried to pump up bylers).

the sound editing is fuckin annoying. every little thing that happens causes some loud sound effect.

>>217011144
It's a shame Welcome to Derry has a laid out three season plan but Skarsgård is carrying that show hard

>>217011144
There's nothing wholly wrong with doing that so long as the subsequent seasons respect the lore and characterizations of the previous. For some reason, though, these new writers can't seem to do that.

>>217011172
Not that anon, but Steve shouldn't be possible because of the epilogue leaks

>>217011188
Netflix only care about pumping up the initial viewing numbers, if the final episode is a dud then they've already known that for months.

Kali is the streetshitter god of destruction and time. They are going back in time to undo everything that happened in the show.

>>217011195
>It's a shame Welcome to Derry has a laid out three season plan
All these shows claim that shit, but it proves false every damned time.

the "it was a d&d game the whole time" thing is looking pretty good right now

>>217011211
Assuming true, it sure as hell isn't Murray. No one gives a fuck about him. It fits Steve pretty well, though, especially after the stuff with Dustin.

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>>217010018

$60 million dollars an episode btw

>>217011206
it relies entirely on underpaid writers rooms being able to cobble something coherent together to make up for work the showrunners and creators didn't do. but we're already seen the quality dropoff you get from that in Game of Thrones and Rings Of Power, and being an underpaid writer in Hollywood is now barely even a solvent profession so you're not going to get hot future talents to work on the same show for years.

also it only worked because Network shows used to be highly episodic and formulaic, but everyone now has the expectation that there will be proper stories and character arcs. most normies will probably just flee to reality TV and scrolling their phones.

mindflayer? more like mindgayer heh

>>217011211
>>217011245
there's a steve fakeout that isn't revealed as a fakeout until the big time travel twist happens.
it looks like vecna kills steve, but in the "fixed timeline" it's will-as-vecna giving the group an illusion that normal will dies the same way.

>>217011216
>They are going back in time to undo everything that happened in the show.
I mean they already ripped off the God Particle from Dark, why not directly lift the ending of that show too lol

>>217011303
What's the time travel twist? I'm not sure I understand from your post, does he actually die then they change the timeline, or is it just an illusion?

>>217011274
>muh underpaid
Horseshit. Try to peddle that crap somewhere else. You're talented or you're not. You care or you don't. You don't have to have a whole 5 season show mapped out in detail to write a story. You an make each season out of nothing. Just don't pretend the previous season didn't happen. It's not all that hard to do.

>>217011338
It's all bullshit, anon. They aren't introducing time travel out of nowhere in the final episode. Even the Duffers aren't that hacky. At most there will be a bunch of memory fuckery because that's already there.

Hopper is obviously dying and he'll do the whole i can finally join my daughter speech

>>217011356
>You're talented or you're not.
you mean like the Duffers are talented?
their lack of a plan, and the way most shows made today don't have a plan, is what's being discussed.
the whole issue is that you don't need to do the amount of forward planning David Chase did to get a show greenlit and the quality of TV has already dropped as a result. read >>217011144

this time travel talk just reminded me about the flux capacitor jokes in vol1... it's totally happening then... that's called foreshadowing

>>217011395
You speak as if Sopranos had a plan, anon.

>>217011338
there's a scene where the girls are digging through vecna's mind to find the door to the other world, but they see will in the cave and kinda go "wtf" then proceed to kill vecna
but it was actually will and he goes on this big insane quest through his own memories that eventually put him physically back in time at the moment where henry gets infected by the mindflayer.

he takes in the briefcase particles himself, becoming vecna and fixing the timeline, leaving henry creel as just a normal kid that never left nevada. he's also his own father lmao

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CUNNY THINGS. STRANGER CUNNY.

What a fucking disaster of a season. Should have ended with the previous one. It was engaging, had fun adventures and an exciting climax.

This one is a whole lot of nothing just baiting for the finale.

>>217010238
Is this how gays see things when their cocklust kicks in?

>>217011521
>eddie
>argyle
>muh desert shit
>fun
Not a chance. It was shit and finally people are starting to realize it.

>>217011338
>>217011450
a time travel twist would make spin-off series, especially a reset, would make spinoffs too difficult.

very likely we're heading for something much more conventional and focussed on setting up those spin-offs rather than providing a definite conclusion.

Bros... how are they going to redeem this? This season was so ass. There is no conceivable way that they end this in a way people are happy with.
This entire season could have been a single 3 hour long movie, and would have been better than this shit.

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>>217011471
i keep saying this

>>217010558
He could have won this situation if he stood his ground proudly with a raging hard on

>>217011211
Description screams Steve by 99,9999(9)%!!!! At best the nearest to that description can be Nancy.

It's Steve's plan and he is hoing to make so that Dustin would never loose a friend.

First Dnd campaingn: a lost knight, a pround princess.

>>217011544
well it ends with a bunch more kids potentially being psychic, holly definitely being psychic, will with fully realized vecna powers existing in the other dimension, and the mindflayer being revealed as a class of matter that can't be erased or killed(so SCP bullshit. epic reddit moment!).

>>217011544
The time travel will just be them moving through Henry's mind, but that's all they are. Young Henry is probably still wondering around in there, as Holly said. He's trapped in his own mind like they were.

None of that can make all the events unhappen, though.

>>217010601
chatGPT turned up 100%

>Not x but y
>It doesn't just x, it ys
>It's X without being y
>It feels x, y and a wordier z

I swear chatGPT was trained on articles by journos who haven't watched any of the movies they're reviewing

>>217011421
a plan doesn't mean you know everything. but Chase has to have known Tony was getting fatally shot from the right-hand side as early as the second season because of the "3 o'clock" coma dream Chris has. plus the pilot is about Junior wanting to assassinate someone in Artie's restaurant, which is where the final scene of the show would have happened if Artie hadn't broken ties with Tony in the final season. he knew who the main characters were and roughly where he was going. Vecna didn't even exist until season 4.

>>217011609
this but vecna succeeding in crashing the other world into the real world makes his memories "real" somehow. it also made will's memories real.

the girls fight vecna in his memories, will physically enters the past through his interaction with vecna in his own memories. will nerf's henry and the girls kill him and then will becomes him.

it's mindflayer exotic matter magic bullshit nobody gotta explain shit.

>>217011609
hence its obviously just Netflix rumormongering trying to make the final episode sound like it has some big meaningful event we HAVE to watch. when really it just isn't possible to introduce anything really surprising this late and make it work.

>>217011599
yeah exactly. they're just going to make a bunch more Elevens and do a show about each of them in a different setting, as was obviously the Duffer's intent with the Indian woman as early as season 2.

>>217011216
>They are going back in time to undo everything that happened in the show
I wouldn't be surprised if they do this, and then start the show again but with different kid actors lol.
The eternal slop printing machine

>>217010018
I hope she's 6. That skull structure look weird on anything older.

>>217011636
>Vecna didn't even exist until season 4.
When did Phil show up?

Chase didn't know shit. What he did, and what made him talented, was storymine his own creation to make each subsequent season feel coherent, even if it wasn't. Writers don't make long-winded plans because of the volatile nature of making a TV show. An actor might die or leave, you might get cancelled, you might get a better idea, the network might demand something.

Modern writers don't do what Chase did. They go into the new season, they just ignore everything previous if they want. Take S5 of ST. They establish in S1 that the air in the UD is toxic and it's cold as fuck. Come S5, they just joke about how they're all able to walk around with no issues. The military actually has a base there. Out of nowhere there's a giant, fleshy wall. You don't need a 5 year plan for someone--anyone--to say 'hey, this doesn't work with what we did before'.

>>217011645
wait this makes sense with the reddit theories. 8+11+1 = cumulative 20 to kill henry and will rolls a nat20 on himself to fix the timeline and sacrifice himself, which is a valid move in DnD.

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>>217011541

Nah it was overall good. Not as good as S3 mind but still a solid play to end the series on desu.

>>217010931
Writers aren't carefully planning shows all year (or longer). They write each episode the week before the shoot.

>>217011008
Murray is one of the very few likeable characters and I'm a gas all jews guy.

>>217011891
Seasonal plots are indeed outlined before production starts, anon. Then they break down what has to happen in each episode. Then they break the episodes themselves, outline them, etc. Not every script is written before ep 1 films, but the story itself is laid out beforehand.

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>thought Will getting powers was cool
>he uses them one time, gets thrown into a coma for almost two episodes and comes out as gay
Whelp

>>217011751
>When did Phil show up?
Phil isn't the final boss of the show, Tony is.
the war with New York was always the obvious endgame.
you don't understand what I mean by planning.
Vecna existing changes changes the whole nature of the conflict from the setup in season 1-3, who is running the New York mafia in the final episodes of season 6B doesn't matter very much.
the discussion is DOA because the Duffers have directly stated they intended to make an anthology show and so you're trying to say that zero plan is equivalent to having any plan at all. bye retard.

>>217011938
this guy is mentally ill. still posting.

>>217011989
>Phil isn't the final boss of the show, Tony is.
LOL Now you're just embarrassing yourself.

Vecna is not the final boss, either. The mindflayer is.

For fuck's sake, man, Chase swapped Tony from boss of NJ in the pilot to just a captain in ep2. And you think he had a show-long plan.

>>217010931
the strike wasn't the problem. creators planning short tightly plotted shows, then if the show was a hit stalling to have more seasons whilst also trying to have longterm character arcs and fucking it up, this is a phenomenom that goes back to at least LOST.

the difference with the golden age of TV is that not ALL shows were like that. now we're going back to "just get your first season greenlit with a marketable premise, hope its a hit, improvize wildly to try to avoid being fired and replaced so you can keep taking credit and collect tens of millions per year for as long as possible".

>>217011984
i thought they were going for the subtle route and making him realize he's a fag and awakening his powers and it's all a metaphor for how accepting yourself is a critical step on the process of actualization and reaching your full potential and they wouldn't even need to ever verbalize his gayness

>>217011990
He's legit been going for nearly a week.

>>217012047
I honestly that that was the case myself. The fact that he repeated "I'm not afraid anymore.." like C'MON IT WAS RIGHT THERE!!

>>217012033
>Duffers have directly stated they intended to make an anthology show
thanks for conceeding

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>>217012045
I think the core issue is the writers simply don't respect the principles of storybuilding. You ever listen to these new writers speak? They actually think metaphor is more important than the actual plot so they do whatever they want and for some reason think the meta and subtext fixes and excuses the plothole.

>>217012079
>make no point
>thanks for conceding
That's how you spell conceding, btw, Anwar.

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Rewatching all of them, I'd easily the best stuff each season were the things revolving around the Upside Down.
S2's best stuff was the Will subplot involving the Mindflayer taking him
S3 was the diseased rat conspiracy turning into fleshy Mindflayer takeover
S4 was the Diet Nightmare on Elm Street stuff involving Vecna
The worst parts have always been centered around the military

In hindsight, the only bad actors in this show are the ones who have the most important roles (MBB and Noah)

>>217012090
yeah and you’re not mad right?

>>217012122
>The worst parts have always been centered around the military
Yup. .It's like Yellowjackets and the hag storyline. No one gives a shit.

>>217012107
>They actually think metaphor is more important than the actual plot
you can't take what they say in interviews at face value.
they make writing decisions for one set of reasons then treat how they're going to talk to the press about the process as a separate problem, because that's the best thing to preserve their careers.

yesterday there was an Event Horizon thread where it came up that in interviews for the movie, Paul WS Anderson (only previous major credit: the fucking Mortal Kombat movie) claimed to have been "inspired" by Tarkovsky's Solaris (he didn't actually have a writing credit on the film at all btw). Ebert was quoted as accepting that as a serious statement. it's all just meaningless PR talk enabled by the media.

>>217012122
Military is always the least informed group so it looks especially dumb.

>>217012203
I used to think that, but I've seen it enough to think they themselves actually do believe it. These TV writers legit sound like fans of their own work attempting make even the most mindless writing decision sound like Shakespeare.

>>217012121
based, you are clearly better at TV than David Chase now. all hail the new king of prestige TV.

>>217012248
>still can't argue anything
You still think Chase had Sopranos plotted out, big guy?

>>217012243
>I've seen it enough to think they themselves actually do believe it
after it leaked, J J Abrams went around telling everyone that Benedict Cumberbatch wasn't playing Khan in the second Star Trek reboot movie. of course everyone who saw the film knew he had just outright lied. apparently it just doesn't matter any more.

pretending to be muddled artists who fixate on metaphors is just a cover for making decisions based on market research by the streaming service. with Stranger Things that started when Netflix realized they could just keep making the show about the same characters and make more money: the Duffers were in a position of either going along with this plan or quitting and I'm sure they did their best under the conditions commercial decision-making created.

>>217010938
Knowing /tv/'s history, I thought they'd be all over her in season 4.

holly with josh while derek sits on the cuck chair

>>217012264
moreso than the Duffers yeah which is what I was arguing.

>>217010364
>Holly and Derek are pretty much the saving grace of this shitshow.

This right here. Pretty much all of the other characters suck this season except for these two. Although they went all little TOO heavy on the girlbossery with Holly and her telescope this last episode though.

>>217012333
Lying about plotting and casting is a bit different than my complaint, anon, which is their aggrandizing of their own work, even to the most mundane degree.

In that respect, I actually think the Duffers aren't that terrible. They straight up admit much of this stuff was done on a lark. Why is Robin gay? The actress convinced them to do it. Why didn't Steve die like they planned? They like the actor.

As opposed to someone like Lisco who waxes poetic about random plot shit.

>>217012410
>Although they went all little TOO heavy on the girlbossery with Holly and her telescope this last episode though.
It was fine. Max was being a pussy. I wouldn't even call it girlbossy. Nancy's shit with the tracker, now that was cringy.

>>217012360
>OH N-

>>217012418
>In that respect, I actually think the Duffers aren't that terrible. They straight up admit much of this stuff was done on a lark. Why is Robin gay? The actress convinced them to do it. Why didn't Steve die like they planned? They like the actor.
yeah I agree with all of this and don't resent the Duffers personally. I've mostly been whinging about how this becoming the norm affects the industry as a whole. creatives coming across as pretentious libs in interviews doesn't matter to me very much, I mean look at James Cameron.

but within ST itself the quoted decisions have wound up becoming liabilities. if you want to kill a character like Steve off, you don't cast a likeable actor then write all his scenes like he's Han Solo and create the impression that he can't die. if they flipped the casting of Steve and Jonathan they could have killed his ass and every single subsequent John and Nancy scene would be better. that's why planning is important.

if The Sopranos had been a Netflix show they probably never would have been able to whack any of the main cast because the good writing and casting would have made normie audiences reject it at the storyboarding stage. so doing a good show may be becoming literally impossible.

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What went wrong?

>>217012336
Season 4 Holly is a different actress and barely in it

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No one can mog eleven

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>>217012620
One
Last
Time

>>217012547
ozempic/meth/veganism

>>217012079
Not that anon but David Chase is a underrated hack. He only wrote the first and last episodes the stupid lazy cunt and people pretend he's some god.

>>217012540
>if The Sopranos had been a Netflix show they probably never would have been able to whack any of the main cast because the good writing and casting would have made normie audiences reject it at the storyboarding stage. so doing a good show may be becoming literally impossible.
No doubt. Remember HBO actually objected to Tony whacking Febby.

we live in a timeline where normies on instagram, twitter, tiktok are all openly lusting over holly while /tv/ is being very gentlemanly about it...

>>217012547
>bucced

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>>217012726
we're a refined bunch

>>217012547
Good to know she's always been ugly

>>217011274
>Underpaid writers
They're not underpaid - I shit for free.

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Argyle bros... I dont feel so good..

>>217012839
He should have stayed chubby. Twink death got him

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Vecna redemption arc status ?

You guys lied to me, The Bridge wasn't that bad
The Lost Sister is still the worst episode of the show by a long shot

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How do you think did Mike and Nancy often played doctor in childhood?

>>217012955
Age gap is too big.

>>217012927
Imagine listening to Indians, Slavs and Pakis getting angry at being told gae people exists

https://x.com/i/status/2005275257435738363

>>217012927
The Bridge is a perfectly fine episode. One cringy scene doesn't ruin an entire episode. The Lost Sister is just a complete waste of time and completely kills the flow of the season.

>>217012839
>is shown to be in Hawkens at the end of S4
>is just kinda gone
I am not complaining, but the fundamental issue with S5 is how much they reset from the S4 ending and work their way back up to it. So dumb.

>>217013034
>give me views
Cap it or don't post, retard.

>>217012839
lmao

>>217013073
Probably skipped back to Cali. Never to be seen or mentioned again, like Suzie.

10 more hours, bros

>>217010060
woof, they gave the hormone blockers to the wrong kid looks like

>>217012360
Murray is the ideal for that pairing not Josh. It would be nuclear levels of hot.

>>217011211
>Steve, Hopper, and someone else maybe Murray die
>Eleven and Pajeet rewind time so Steve and Hopper survive
>As they rewind it enough so Murray starts coming back to life, he says "Thanks, snookums"
>Eleven scowls at him and throws pajeeta at Murray, sending both of them into the void

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>>217011421
The sopranos did have a plan and that was to market gabagool

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>>217012839
he forgot he had to bulk after cutting

>>217013508
>practically negative pecs
How...

>>217013508
twink wwe build

>>217012955
yes they would diagnose each other with anorexia nervosa

>>217010464
Black girls who try to look White are usually based

>>217011586
Im gonna guess hopper, thsy have been hinting at it for a while

>>217013569
He's shown with his hair cut and beard shaved in his police uniform talking to Mike in the previews. Could be a flashback or memory, I guess.

>>217013524
cut too hard too fast i would say, no time for muscle anabolism. not taking a dig at the guy, fair play to him for losing all that fat. he was an obese spic stereotype when he was in ST

>>217011471
many have been saying this

>>217010464
The fat kid is unironically based.

>>217013630
Only low men of ill repute would say or even suggest such things.

There’s no way this is timelineslop

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kek

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>>217010018

>>217010601
Thanks, ChatGPT

>>217013732
It isn't. Them introducing time travel at the last episode is as big a delusion and retards thinking Mike was to suddenly turn gay in ep 5.

>>217013747
Guy who coined this term got vented by timmy btw

>>217011008
>both timelines
What the fuck does this mean?

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>>217011751
I would have made sense if thatbig wall that randomly appeared turned out to be a mindflayer egg that becna was trying to hatch by using the kids as sacrifices, but no its just a fucking tunnel

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Yeah Steve is going to die and they’re going to say this was his “six kids”, fuck this subversive kike propaganda

>>217010977
Absolute trash and all lies. The finale is NOTHING like that.

>>217011471
spinoff title leaked

>>217013844
How do you know?

>>217013807
You are right, Steve already has six kids.

>>217013807
>Steve is going to die
wrong

>>217013807
I would add Erica too.

>>217013886
Because nobody from the main cast dies. Not even Eleven. I hate lying niggers. And fuck you too.

>>217013796
It's the completely unforced errors that really get me. They could have kept the wormhole idea without the wall. It actually makes no sense since the wall is definitely organic and actually moves. Why would exotic matter do this? They showed wide shots of the UD in previous runs. There was clearly no wall.

Same deal with the military base. Why? So far absolutely nothing happened there that couldn't have been done back in Hawkins. It's just a base where they held the pageet and a tentacle. It's like they were finding reasons to spend money.

>>217013896
Pretty much everything hints at it.

>>217013936
except for the leaked pics showing he survives

My guess is Joyce or nobody.

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>>217013936
Steve is gonna live and IS WINNING Nancy back

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Steve doesn't die, morons.

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>>217013991
>getting back an absolute headcase that cucked you for a pothead loser
>winning
Better off dying a hero, desu.

>>217013991
>wanting nancy back
literally why, bro needs to find some new non crazy strange elsewhere
not to mention the duffers clearly signaled in their shitty writing cleanup article that they intend for nancy to be an independent girlboss she isn't getting with anyone

>>217013807
Killing off characters that have already been tortured and nearly killed in previous storylines is always lame. Its too repetitive, sadistic and nihilistic and always sucks. You need to kill off somebody who hasn't gotten a scratch yet.


>*everybody looks at Steve*

>>217010338
I legit had to look up who Karen is

>>217014041
Well, they aren't killing any of the core kids. Hopper doesn't fit your unscratched theory. Who does that leave the counts for a major death?

I guess John counts, but surely the duffers know no one gives a fuck about him.

>>217014032
She's bogged AF and has been for a while now and honestly I just don't all the online s.impi.ng for her. And now that she's a turbo-girlboss its doubly annoying.

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>>217014070
She's a tease that led Billy on and got him infected by the mindflayer and killed. Fuck Karen.

>>217013075
Cope

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>>217014081
>They certainly wouldn't kill a character nobody cares about just to fill their dramatic death quota.

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Holly was 12 when they were filming this season
you're lusting for a PRETEEN!!

>>217010018
Imma make you people drink until you can't move. But anyway.

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This is the last 12 hours where you can enjoy reddit coping about whether Byler will still happen. Get them in, guys. After this it’s over

https://old.reddit.com/r/byler/

>>217014041
>>217014081
it doesn't even matter who they kill off in the finale lol because it's basically just a "who wanted to be in a spinoff" reveal at this point. there is zero impact on stakes because the story is over.

Holly is a deep state plant to make people want to have children
They awakened thousands of pdf files instead

>>217010651
this unironically sounds like a catchphrase the LGBT movement would use to get teenagers to come out

>>217010558
that kid later murders that girl
he then grow up to become a serial killer who slaughter an entire sorority house of camgirls/OnlyFans models

>>217014267
>pdf files
4chan is 18+, little zoomer.

>>217014172
Pure mental illness.

>>217013786
he’s some brown sperg clinging to this thread specifically for some reason. he’s looking for any reason to seethe at some “timmy” guy

>>217014267
God I wish I had a daughter like her :3

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Holy shit the dialogue writing in this shit is so ass. Every fucking scene is either
>one character giving an out of place "deep" speech to another
>a forced allegorical description of events, usually with pop culture used as a device
>low effort passive aggressive melodrama
>someone laying out a plan

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>to fully understand the show you have to watch some dumb play in London
Gay and lame

>>217014434
This, the writers are retarded

>>217014434
>hey you know the vidya Halo?
>yknow where they put basically half the lore and main story and only turbo fans/autists will actually read?
>yeah you know that one?
>yeah lets do that for our TV show’s lore
what the fuck??

Duffers will redeem with the greatest finale in the history of television. Screencap this.

>>217014434
They go over the main points in the finale, supposedly. You don't need to watch the play.

>>217010018
Meh

>>217014464
kekadoodle doo

>>217014464
is Matthew Modine or Robert Englund cast? Because Vecna/Harry is going to go down as the worst villain of all time if not

>>217014322
I dont want the intelligence services of my country to look at my sad panda favorites

>>217014428
Welcome to "second screen" tv, bitch.
You'll consoom and you'll love it.

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>>217014428
>someone laying out a plan


This is a hamfisted way to account for the fact that they now have too many characters. If they have absolutely nothing for them to do they will have them blurt out a plan.

The hamfisted part is that these plans aren't tied to the characters that give them and can be interchanged with anybody. Like Steve's plan last episode could have been said by anybody. But they needed to give Steve something to do so they gave the plan to Seve to blurt out even though Steve is kind of a moron who doesn't really do plans as a character which makes it so hamfisted and obvious.

>>217014562
Steve has been there since day one. He's entitled to a plan.

As opposed to Robin.

I’m one of the people who enjoyed this show all the way to Season 4, but Season 5 is definitely a step down. Not catastrophic outside of the obnoxious coming out scene but unless the finale exceeds expectations it’s going out with a whimper.

>>217014613
Season 4 ST was like Season 4 GOT, you may have liked it and overlooked some things but the signs were there the whole time

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>>217014464
They don't have time to do anything interesting, they'll rescue the kids, defeat Vecna, that will survive for season 6, play a ebin 80s nostalgiabait song to set the bomb's timer and maybe kill some zogbots, just because. All while carrying a BLACKED redhead in a wheelchair. Maybe get a teaser at the end with Vecna cursing "Damn these meddling kids severed my wormhole! Guess I'll open The Tomb of Horrors!".

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>unknown cave location that has never been hinted at or shown is apparently uber important in the back story of the main villain which didn't appear until season 4
>but apparently it's mentioned in some bullshit Broadway play that's canon
i fucking hate this marvelslop bullshit

>>217014632
I didn’t watch GOT.
I felt as if Season 4 was a step up from Season 3, which got a bit too goofy for my taste and I didn’t enjoy Hopper’s character nor what was going on with Eleven. Season 4 by contrast had a better handle on the characters. It was the “they’re grown now” season, and I liked Vecna. While it’s true that Season 5 is most similar to Season 4, Season 4 was done better in every way.

>>217010199
Sounds stupid

>>217014462
Halo lore (stopping with Bungie games) actually good and consistent tho.

>>217010254
They'd need to recast all the kids and not take 2 years between each season. Realistically, they should just make each season a new cast.

>>217014732
Series should have been an anthology from the beginning.
Single-episode cameos from prior seasons occasionally and nothing more.

>>217014613
>I’m one of the people who enjoyed this show all the way to Season 4, but Season 5 is definitely a step down. Not catastrophic outside of the obnoxious coming out scene


I liked everything in the series so far except for the rightly panned field trip Elle took to the city a few years back with was pretty cringe and lame. But I liked Season 4 and I even liked S5 Chapter 1 well enough. But this last S5 Chapter 2 shit the bed something awful. Like went through three three layers of sheets and left a stain on the mattress levels of shit the bed so bad.

>>217014727
oh for sure, but i wont derail the thread with my vidya autism. you’re right, it was really after 3/ODST (when OG bungie were done) where they went retardo with the book tie ins. i will never forgive 343.

If they made Stranger Things an anthology series with new kids in a new paranormal situation everyone would bitch that it isn’t season 1 no matter what they did.
You know I’m right.

>>217011107
Doubt

>>217014562
It's just shitty writing. The plans are to make it seem like something is happening but nothing is. Every step invalidates previous ones. You go from one person having to break into the upside down to suddenly everyone is arbitrarily going there. You have an entire sequence of finding out who this imaginary friend is (when everyone with two braincells knows its going to be Henry) only to have that information invalidated by someone else. It adds to the mindbreaking rhythm of the show.

>>217014562
Issue is not the plan concept or even the execution of any individual plan. It's the fact that there is one in every fucking episode.

Season 2? Underrated.

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>>217014727
I hate gamers

>>217014732
>>217014750
it fits the opening credits vibe for sure but problem is they would have spent a season on the poogirl in Chicago

>>217011377
They already introduced a wormhole, time travel honestly isn't that far fetched, especially with all the past memory stuff being a main focal point in the season. Doesn't make it any less hacky though.

>>217011377
>>217014848
Hawkins town square set is literally the Back to the Future town square set. The five and dime Winona goes into is the diner from BTTF, you can see the clocktower, etc. So I wouldn't rule it out

>>217014751
Pretty much.

>>217010266
fucking seductress

>>217014848
They introduced a wormhole with the wall thing in episode 1 of S5.

Time travel is absolutely nowhere in the show or season 5. It suddenly showing up in the last episode does not work at all. Memories work. That's been there for awhile.

A Wrinkle in Time

>>217010464
How the fuck is she making me diamonds here, but so repulsive in the show?

>>217014900
>Time travel is absolutely nowhere in the show or season 5
>>217014909

>>217014883
Maybe Dustin will build a x-wing and fly the kids down. After all, they mentioned star wars so that means it makes sense.

Where is my ghost Barb

>>217014930
The hair