>hey I like Bob Dylan, let's check out this movie>immediate cringe pro-commie politics with Ed NortonOh, boy. They just can't help themselves. These Bob Dylan movies never mention that he only had left wing sympathies for 3 years while he was dating Suze Rotollo, and then completely abandoned them after they broke up. And that he hated leftist media projecting all their bullshit onto him.
>>217022613He was shit at writing songs but he had a lovely voice
>>217022613I will never watch a Timothy Chalamet movie
>>217022613The only good Dylan movie was I'm Not There because it realized that he was never ''real'' as far as audiences are concerned. He's just a troubadour who managed to get away with making songs about whatever he wants for decades on end.Anyway, check out the Another Self Portrait release of the Bootleg Series. Some lovely songs on that album.
>>217022613Woody Guthrie was a communist retard
>>217022727It's literally the opposite
>>217022613I'm a libertarian but I still enjoyed the movie.
>>217022613Dylan's only anti-war when it's popular/safe to say so. Fraudster
>>217022727He seemed breddy chill. He had recorded one of the definitive versions of "House of the Rising Sun" before The Animals, but the first time their version came on the radio he allegedly stopped the car he was driving to listen to it and started slapping the hood in time with the beat. He recognized supreme talent.
>>217022736I don't even mind him as Bob Dylan. He pulls it off. But politically activated people cannot make good movies. I don't care what side you're on. Modern Hollywood is no different than the Left Behind series that they used to always mock.
Is it really a surprise that a hippie folk musician would have commie sentiments
>>217022777Oh was he? Because this movie seems to thing that the "Red Scare" was bullshit. So was he a communist or was that all just made up by Hoover and McCarthy?
>>217022613>rightwingers trying to appropriate Bob DylanHas Hell frozen over? Lmao
>>217022736He's not the worst of the zoomer actors. I like him more than Spiderman kid and any of the minority ones
>>217022813He didn't though. He just had a crush on a girl before he got famous.
>>217022727is this nigga for real?the guy won literature nobel prize
>>217022839McCarthy? You mean the guy who was proven right over and over again?
>>217022843He was conservative publicly for longer than he was "progressive". I would argue that the bulk of his 60s work was criticizing and lampooning the leftwing media. Why does Hollywood always forget that he hated the media? It was a pretty big part of his personality.
>>217022777This land is your land is an American anthem, dipshit
>>217022727He sounds decent on Nashville Skyline and like complete ass on every other album he ever recorded
>>217022727lol best post on the board rn
>>217022902He changed the lyrics multiple times. Read a book dumbass
>>217022902Lol okay boomer ass unc.
I like the movie simply because im a bob dylan fan and imagine what it was like during that time. This is obviously romanticised and Dylan seem to luck into things when in reality he was a chancer (like what ive heard of this Marty Supreme movie). People also have the idea from this movie that he betrayed Joan Baez which is absurd. Dylan was getting offers in spite of her and not because of her for the most part (she did give him some exposure of course). The timeline stuff annoyed me but I had to overlook those details. Chalamet was doing an adequate impression of Dylan but its like Man on the Moon or any other biography where its more like caricature. It doesnt help that you can see Dylan's manner in docs like Dont Look Back which Chalamet didnt capture imo. I should probably try that Springsteen movie but was turned off by Landau voice over in the trailer talking about how this is a different Bruce. I was expecting something more natural.
Claim your Dylan song For me its Man in Me
>>217023072>and imagine what it was like during that timeThat would be nice. The problem is that we always have to see it through a 21st century libtard lense.
>>217023084Tombstone Blues
>>217022859Really?"that would be just like John fahey
>>217023199Thats the thing, people imagine the demonstrations, writers or think tanks but the whole villiage had its seedy elements as well. Old lechers preying on the naive girls, the users and abusers who lived on the good will of others and the dope fiends. Dylan was a well known user of people.
he was spiritually chud
>>217023312I always thought that the glamorization of the 60s flower power shit would die off with Boomers, but apparently not.
They should have included his Tom Paine award speech where he spoke out against the people trying to appropriate him. He did defend people going to Cuba though and civil liberty groups in that speech. Thats the famous speech where he saw some of himself in Lee Harvey Oswald and was booed. He also said he was tired of seeing bald heads all around him congratulating him and awarding him like this when all he wanted was to be amongst friends. I think it would have been a nice segway between folkie and james dean dylan.
this movie does a very good job of portraying bob dylan as a mercurial asshole who attaches to various movements and writes brilliant songs within them and takes inspiration from them but leaves them behind and pete seeger is left in the dust to his ambition and future prospectsop is well aware of this and just sowing strife on 4chan for whatever normal reason people do that
>>217023084Visions of johanna
>>217023431I always think about that scene from Fritz the Cat where he bullshits some college girls into getting naked in a tub with him after pretending to be part of the causes they prattle on about. Thats my image of the 60s. There was no such thing as free love it was just easier to forgive yourself by calling it that when you were cheated or cheated someone else.
>>217022790ThisHis voice sounds like the worst shit I ever heard in my life, thrown into a blender and turned on high, then smashed against the wall as it's blending
>Show up to folk festival>Agree to play folk music>"Actually, I don't want to play folk music.">"What? But you agreed to play folk music. Just play folk music.">"Okay I will play folk music.">Doesn't play folk music.>Apparently his career blows up from this.??? Did I miss something? Did I fall asleep during the wrong 10 minutes?
>>217022790>>217023559Nah, Dylan was one of the best singers of the 60s because he revolutionised how people approach a song. He didnt just sing a song, he inhabited it. Thats why i dont agree with that bullshit about covers of his song being better. In Just Like A Woman for example he is able to convey sarcasm, resentment, empathy and pity all at once. Most of the covers of his songs just convey the one emotion to you like those slowed down covers you get in movie trailers now. The people who were influenced by not only thought about the words but how they would convey them. In fairness, there are certain era where i dont like his voice such as live stuff in the neverending tour and when he was shouting lyrics during rolling thunder (although im warming to it).
>>217022613It’s an awful movie but holy shit zoomer you are dumb if you think bob dylan was conservative in any form. spent his whole life hanging out with black people and nearly married a black celebrity who turned him down (film covered this for like 5 seconds with that dumb party).>>217023072it was fucking awful… >ARE WE GOING TO GO ELECTRIC >HE IS GOING ELECTRIC >YOU CANNOT GO ELECTRIC >I JUST WENT ELECTRIC how i would have written the Monterey finale as a fucking child.
>>217023604>Apparently his career blows up from this.Like a Rolling Stone was a hit before he came to the festival. Everyone was here to see him and had a certain image in their head. Dylan gave them his new material and nothing else. Its a bit complicated because the concert he did after it in Forest Hills people booed the electric set at times (after being quiet for the acoustic half) but applauded when started playing rolling stone. They wanted the folk Dylan more than the electric one at Newport and felt entitled to it.
>THE TIMES THEY ARE A-CHANGIN'>*zoomers go far right*>NOOOO NOT LIKE THAT!!!Hey, Boomers. Listen to your own anthem. The times are a-changin'>>217023653He was also a born again Christian who made gospel albums and spent the majority of his life rejecting hippie shit. He also hated the media. Unfortunately you have lived your entire life through Hollywood retrospectives.
>>217023653He also wrote a song for George Jackson who was the equivalent of George Floyd at the time and Rubin Carter. He was brought back to the fold every now and then. He also had a child with his black back up singer in the 80s. >>217023725His Christian era can hardly be called conservative in that he was calling out the the wests relationship to oil money and other capitalist evils.
>>217023738All that foreign oil controlling American soilLook around you, it’s just bound to make you embarrassedSheiks walkin’ around like kingsWearing fancy jewels and nose ringsDeciding America’s future from Amsterdam and to ParisAnd there’s a slow, slow train comin’ up around the bendMan’s ego is inflated, his laws are outdated, they don’t apply no moreYou can’t rely no more to be standin’ around waitin'In the home of the braveJefferson turnin’ over in his graveFools glorifying themselves, trying to manipulate SatanAnd there’s a slow, slow train comin’ up around the bend
Was this the Dylan film about some manufactured controversy of him playing an electric guitar and cheating on his gf with Joan baez and it was a predictable letdown overall?
>>217023738Buddy. He made an entire album rejecting the progressive media putting labels onto him. Believe it or not, 99% of his songs weren't about black people. That's you projecting your obsession with black people onto him.I had a professor back in college try tell the class that Ballad of a Thin Man was about civil rights. That's you.
>>217022613Loved this film if timny doesn't get a Oscar for it I'm boycotting 4channel
>>217023784Sounds like an anti-globalist song to me. Would a liberal even criticize Muslims? Yea, I don't think so.Just face it, he wasn't a 21st century redditor no matter how much you want him to be.
>>217023800>manufactured controversy of him playing an electric guitarthat shit wasnt manufactured but certainly it wasnt as bad as his british tour. Some of his shows in America went okay such as Hollywood Bowl but others featured a good portion of books like Forest Hills. He probably cheated with 2 dozen girls but Baez thought she was special. The movie made her more stoic than she was because she followed him like a little girl to england in 65 expecting him to invite her on stage but he never did (whilst also sleeping around whilst she was back at the hotel). Baez never got over him dedicating full albums to his material. He tried to seduce her in the 80s again like his side piece had come back for a visit.
>>217022613Half of the movie is how Guthrie was a fag
>>217023725>>*zoomers go far right*>>NOOOO NOT LIKE THAT!!!Not true anymore.
>>217023847No he belonged to a branch of born again Christianity which didnt want america to stay the same or believe in any other form of worship such as money or power. He wasnt a capitalist preacher giving you the prosperity gospel. He wasnt a liberal either in that respect telling people that their desires and 'freedoms' opened them to the traps of satan.
>>217023990>He wasnt a capitalist preacherThis is your idea of conservative or right wing because you've lived your entire life through a Hollywood lense. You are just proving my point over and over. But hey, you're on the right side of history according to yourself.
>>217024022>>217023990One of his most infamous songs was about a black woman who was beaten to death by a rich white guy in the South ("The Lonesome Death of Hattie Carroll.") But he also wrote a song about how Israel is innocent in 1982 ("Neighborhood Bully" so it is a mixed bag
I love Bob Dylan but for some reason I have no desire to watch this movie
>>217022863I still don't get how. He wrote like 10 good songs maybe less. Queen has more good songs than him.
>>217024339>I still don't get how.Check his early life section.
>>217023604>>217023653>>217023668
>>217023084Cold Irons Bound (the version from Masked and Anonymous)
>>217024457>>217024439People living next to data centers can't drink water because of this
You guys might like Phil Ochs (until you learn that he praised Chariman Mao). Definately had communist leanings but wrote great songs.https://youtu.be/3cdqQ2BdgOA?si=pJid9Mdxf0RZOyGT
>>217023084You ain’t goin nowhere
>>217023084every grain of sand
>Bob (((Robert Allen Zimmerman))) Dylan
>>217024694They make this joke in the movie
>>217022727Is it fucking opposite day?
>>217024535my king told me it was ok
>>217022790Dylan has a great voice unironically. Listen to Pretty Saro
>>217023725Dylan might be conservative in certain respects but he also endorsed Obama and is anti-racist. I doubt he fits neatly into any political group
>>217024983He's also kind of like how Ozzy was, his brain is absolutely obliterated from drugs. I went to one of his concerts and it was all muscle memory
Bob does his own Christmas lights
>Wussies and pussies complain about that stuff. It’s an old thing – it’s part of the tradition. It goes way back. These are the same people that tried to pin the name Judas on me. Judas, the most hated name in human history! If you think you’ve been called a bad name, try to work your way out from under that. Yeah, and for what? For playing an electric guitar? As if that is in some kind of way equitable to betraying our Lord and delivering him up to be crucified. All those evil motherfuckers can rot in hell.’t. bob
>>217025029I disagree man, Dylan changes song arrangements all the time. He changes lyrics even more often. Simple Twist of Fate has like 10+ versions. He's not just going through the motions. You can't write a song like Murder Most Foul if you are on autopilot
>>217025179I do like the amount of bootleg versions he has. The Blood on the Tracks bootlegs are all pretty much better than the tracks on the album.
>>217022613No one under the age of 60 gives a flying fuck about Bob Dylan and the sooner he, along with the rest of boomer culture, fades into obscurity the better.
>>217025199Not the guy you are replying to but i cant even listen to the album anymore; I just stick with the new york sessions bootleg. I think Dylan is the most bootlegged artist in music. The only band that comes close is the beach boys in terms of stuff that hasnt been released (until the last 20 years)
>>217022863That was boomers just glazing. Dylan can’t write poetry for shit
>>217022613He was pro-civil rights for the US but a vehement Zionist, to the point he wrote a song describing Palestinians as bullies. Total scumbag. Hopefully he burns in hell.
>The after credits scene where he walks bob dylan on stageI cried
>>217022613Wait this can't be right, I thought modern politics were only invented in 2016 to make conservatives look stupid, what do you mean Republicans have actually been this retarded for like 75 years???
>>217024457>He makes good music so it's okay if he defrauds millions!
>>217023536For me it's the scene with the college girls and the crow that messes with them
>>217025851artists are supposed to play loose with the rules, no?
>>217022613I do like that Bob Dylan said no one made any attempt to contact him during the filming of the movie, not even the dude playing him reached out
>>217026453Bob Dylan has become a massively private person. Probably because he knows he'd get metoo'd but most of those girls are dead now.
>>217022613Any man who has the balls to write a love poem about Françoise Hardy and put it in his album liner notes for the world to see is based in my book.
A movie about his relationship with Sarah would be good. That was clearly a turning point in his life.
