McG ruined Terminator Salvation when he changed Ferris/Brancato's ending. Worse, he made up some bullshit about Marcus killing everyone, which is demonstrably not the ending of the original script.>John Connor: "I never knew how I was supposed to win this war. But I finally understand: the idea of John Connor is more important than the person. (sinks back, spent) I can die. He cannot."> Kate leans toward Marcus, who's lost in thought.>"Please. We need you.">MARCUS bows his head for a long beat, as if seeking an answer from within. Then he looks up again with resolve. He lifts his hand-- the SKIN TATTERED, METAL exposed at finger joints-- and moves to take CONNOR'S TREMBLING HAND.>CUT TO> STEEL TERMINATORS go down in HAILS OF BULLETS. We hear Marcus' VO, his voice strong and assured:>"Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death...">AN ARMY of HUMAN RESISTANCE FIGHTERS marches through the SNOW, GUNS BLAZING.>"...I shall fear no evil...">AN H-K goes down IN FLAMES, SMASHES in the MOUNTAINSIDE. THE GOLDEN EXPLOSION silhouettes a single FIGURE, who stands on a PROMONTORY, surveying the battle below. AIDES and SOLDIERS surround him, but he towers over them, giving orders, in complete control. MOVE IN SLOWLY on him.>"I died, and was reborn. I wear another man's face, lead another man's life... yet only now do have a reason for living. I once was lost, but now I'm found...">ANOTHER BLAST illuminates his face for an instant-- scarred, craggy, a blend of Marcus and Connor-- but fierce, determined and proud. [Perhaps shoot this with both actors.]>"...was blind, but now I see.">THE LIGHT FADES, shadowing him in darkness again and we...>THE ENDhttps://imsdb.com/scripts/Terminator-Salvation.htmlIf we'd gotten this ending, Salvation would be a flawed film with an incredible ending, just like Terminator 3.
That's fucking stupid as fuck.
>>217025861It's absolutely kino, and perfectly complements Terminator 3.
>>217025936The idea that John Connor dies or "comes back from the dead" as some Terminator posing as him is stupid beyond words. I don't know why they were so insistent on it throughout several movies.The whole reason this franchise exist is because in the future the machines take over, but there is this dude that is leading the human resistance and giving the machines such a hard time that the machines opt to go back in time to kill him, because fucking time travel is a more convenient method to kill him off.So for the whole franchise to work John needs to be alive and be such a awesome leader for the human resistance that the machines have to fucking opt to go back in time to get rid of him. Otherwise why the fuck did they sent Terminators back in time? Anything else other than John being alive and awesome leader just undermine the whole thing.
>>217026007John Brancato hates Terminator 2. So Terminator 3 and to a degree Salvation were written to undermine the idea of John Connor as a badass, and instead present the idea that it's all going to happen anyway. Judgment Day cannot be stopped.In Terminator 3, John is fated to die in the 2030s, killed by the Terminator that his wife Kate reprograms and sends back in time.>the machines opt to go back in time to kill him, because fucking time travel is a more convenient No, they do this because nothing else is working, failing to understand that Skynet cannot stop John Connor and Connor cannot stop Skynet... until the appointed time. There must be a John Connor. There must be a Skynet. The flesh and blood John can die, but "John Connor" cannot die. The universe will produce a replacement, just as it will produce a replacement Skynet in Terminator 3.It's a direct slap in the face to "No fate but what we make," because Brancato always felt that Terminator 2 shat up the thematic purity of Terminator.
>we've been building this kid throughout two awesome fucking movies as this awesome future leader of humanity's last hope>what should we do for a sequel?>i know, lets show him as some unsure faggot mostly being lead by his gf/wife>lets have him die and some other random dude turned robot show up and take his actual place>lets say he actually died and is being used by the machines as some evil robot>lets just kill him as a kid and replace him with a Mexican girl
>>217026076>No, they do this because nothing else is working, Yes retard, because as he said, they can't fucking stop john because he is that good. Everything else from that point on in your post is headcanon babble not worth reading or addressing further
>>217025812Holy shit that’s fucking stupid. Glad they changed that.
>>217026076Even Terminator 1 hype up the time looped baby between Kyle Reese and Sarah Connor as the future savior of humanity, which is why Kyle is sent back in time to protect and impregnate Sarah, and Skynet sends a Terminator, to kill off Sarah and thus her baby, John.
>>217025812>giving a shit about the terminator franchise beyond judgment dayhonorable mention to 3 for having a naked chick with inflating tits.
>>217025812They literally panicked and changed/re-shot the ending when the ending leaked on Aint it Cool News (holy shit remember this place) KEK. I remember there was a site that had a bunch of pics and stills that shows the original ending was 100% shot and finished/near finished.
>>217026242Test audiences also fucking hated that ending.
>>217026263Bc it’s fucking retarded and a way worse version of dark knights necessary symbol ending.
>>217026263I can buy it. Either way McG is a fucking hack. As evidenced by Bale's psycho freakout and then McG in the background having no control of his set and going "ah gee i dunno!." And then the extra irony of Bale putting in an all time worst performance despite that freakout and imo Worthington having had the more interesting character
>>217025812That is truly terrible.
same problem westworld and battlestar galactica had, the only possible twist is somebody was secretly a robot, and you do it so many times everyone stops caring
>>217025936T3 needs to be forgotten not complemented
>>217026007Skynet would just supercompute an idea to shut down the half-Terminator "John Connor" in the future war's present, instead of literally inventing time travel
>>217026242>>217026263>>217026351Brancato hates McG. He calls him "McNugget" at every opportunity.Do we have any evidence that McG shot Brancato's ending or did he shoot some bullshit ending where John killed everyone, which of course was not the original ending?Which ending did Aint It Cool News leak?
>>217025812As awful as this ending is, it makes sense that a Terminator can completely assume another identity. Cool idea but not for John Connor
>>217026573Terminator 3 is the only good Terminator film.
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Can someone explain to me how Salvation's original ending is different to Terminator 3 killing John Connor? The entire point of T3 is that John is a symbol, not some heroic badass that will lead the resistance to victory.
>>217026984The whole idea of "John Connor is just a name or symbol" is so fucking retarded because for his name to matter in a fucked up future where humanity is suffering, he needs to be known for something positive. And for that he needs to do something.
>>217026984how is that the point of T3? he does become the heroic badass that will lead the resistance to victory. it's unnecessary because there's implied time fuckery for why he's so good at fighting terminators like Cable from X-men
>>217027027No, he just needs to be the voice on the radio. The right man at the right time. The future is not what we make it. We are just pieces in a cosmic hurtling towards our end. Judgment Day is Inevitable.
>>217025812OH GOOD FOR YOU
>>217027128A voice on the radio isn't enough to convince people to follow you when everyone is getting killed. You still need to put some effort.
>>217027066>he does become the heroic badass that will lead the resistance to victory.Actually, no, he dies, killed by the T-850, and he willingly accepts his death and does nothing to stop it.His wife leads the resistance to victory after his death. But he must be in the right place at the right time for the pieces to fit together.>John Connor, it is time.>We'll meet again. Go!
>>217027186That's stupid. That movie attempt to make this random girlfriend the actual important character and future leader of the resistance was stupid as fuck.
>>217027186iirc his wife is a secondary target, connor is the hero even if eventually he does get assassinated
>>217027240Connor is a hero. But what T3 is really about is the whole idea of a hero. John is a hero because he does what needs to be done when the time comes. The core difference between T3 and Dark Fate is that John will die, but his death will have meaning. He accepts death when it comes because this is part of the plan. Others will carry on his work and free humanity from Skynet. This is very different to Dark Fate disrespectfully shooting him in the face.Salvation intended to take this idea further. What if Skynet does kill John Connor? Then someone else, a machine, will take his place, will carry the flag, and will lead humanity to victory. John Connor is an immortal idea, he cannot be killed.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaMjFTbaFRg
>>217027359well kikes got to recreate their fantasy of shooting a white child in the face so i guess it was worth the money
>>217026119Terminator movies need to stop being funded. It's the future we deserve.
>>217026119you don't make heroes out of fucking white males! now we will ritually slaughter the concept of white male heroes like a passover sacrifice!
>>217026119>>lets say he actually died and is being used by the machines as some evil robotBelieve it or not Genisys was originally Brancato's idea. It was the version of T3 that the studio rejected. But in his version John was not dead, but had been compromised by the T-X a sexy female Terminator protecting him from the evil T-800 that, big twist, had been sent back by John's wife in the future to kill him before he can sabotage the resistance from within. But in that film Katherine Brewster dies, fucking up the timeline a bunch, the T-X is defeated, and there's this lingering ambiguity about whether the dormant nanomachines in John's brain could be a problem in the future.THAT would have been much cooler than the Genisys we got.Anyway, that T3 being rejected is why Brancato wrote T3 as a rehash of T2 with a "fuck you" ending. He didn't want to rehash T2 but was forced to, so the ending was his ace in the hole.
>>217026351he was going la dee dah right in the middle of the scene
If you read the original Salvation script, Connor doesn't appear in the film until midway through. They originally had more of a Apocalypse Now thing going on where Connor is this enigmatic figure shrouded in mystery and fear. But the rewritten script focuses way more on John Connor and inserts a huge number of scenes with him, basically making him the second protagonist.Brancato was critical of this because he felt that future war John Connor just isn't very interesting as a character. And focus so much on him demystifies him. Makes him mundane since you KNOW he can't die for most of the movie.
>>217027925Yeah that was Bale who said he'd only do the movie if they rewrote it to have him earlier in the movie and be the main Protagonist, and he got Jonathan Nolan to punch it up. Originally it was Marcus as the full protagonist.
>>217027925To be honest, Brancato seems a really stupid moron. What's the problem with doing a movie focusing on Future War John Connor? Just focus on his later years where he might die heroically. You don't need to have your hands tied. Hell, they didn't! Every stupid idea they had was to either make John less important or just kill him anyway. So this whole "it would be boring because we can't kill him" is a weak ass excuse.The truth, from all the stupid scripts and weak ass movies made, is that Brancato hated John Connor and wanted to push other female characters as being more important.
>>217028121>What's the problem with doing a movie focusing on Future War John Connor?The future war is a boring setting on a fundamental level. It's why Cameron wasn't interested in a future war film. And John Connor himself just isn't that interesting.
>>217028861The constant time-travel shit where yet another terminator is sent to the past to kill someone is way more boring.
>>217026076> There must be a John Connor. There must be a Skynet. The flesh and blood John can die, but "John Connor" cannot die. The universe will produce a replacementBruh. The Force shat out a new replacement for Vader because it must always be balanced. Somehow The Emperor returned. This is exactly what you’re doing and it’s the laziest bullshit in storytelling.
>>217026119>>217027669Note that the "John dies and gets replaced by a little mexican girl" was James Cameron's own idea and Cameron says that this had always been his vision but Hollywood wasn't ready for it; and that he had snuck this into T2 by making John have a girly haircut and pronouncing "Nicaragua" like a LatinaWhite men cause all of humanity's problems, why would one solve them?
