I've read the book three times. Does the film do it justice?
>>217037065That poster makes it look like some lighthearted 1980s Hercule Poirot whodunnit.
>>217037065i never read the book but i liked the moovie when i saw it last year
Never read it but the movie is pretty good. My grandfather has it on tape and it's like his favorite movie
they could just put His name on the poster like that?the 70s were wild, man.
>>217037065Does this have gay monks?
Yes. If only because Sean Connery makes everything kino.
>>217037205kind of, sean connery is basically a reddit science guy who is also a monk, his job is to investigate the murder using facts and logic to deduce whodunnit amongs so many brainless cultists
>>217037065Not exactly, but it a good movie too, in its own way.The series with John turturro and Michael Emerson was a massive disappointment. I was really sad.
>>217037121kek i'm pretty sure the old death on the nile adaptation had a nearly identical poster
>>217037316i guess after Bond he had to take those type of roles
>>217037316Monks were the original reddit science guys, he is based on Roger Bacon, who laid the foundations of experimental science in the west.
>>217037065>F Murray Abraham Why? What did he do wrong?
>>217037419when did the science guys decide to stop playing pretend that the jewish fairy tale is real?
>>217037447They use logical proofs for god, no blind faith needed
i watched a terrible dvd version on an old crt tv years ago, i wonder if thishas a decent bluray, will probably rewatch itI remember it was really dark and could barely see half of it on my old tv
>>217037471this. You can easily proof the soul and God from logical axioms and phenomenology.
>>217037065It's like the new Dune movies, it greatly simplifies the book and changes the ending, but is great regardless.
>>217037065Not really
>>217037813This. My favorites are>Anything that begins to exists has a cause>The cause of the World coming into existence is God>The World exists>Therefore God existsLiterally irrefutable.
>>217037065I recently finished the book and I was so disappointed. I expected some cerebral mystery thriller whodunit shit, instead it was a total blueballs anticlimactic ending. Like many other authors, Umberto Eco uses the plot and the characters as a thinly veiled excuse to jerk himself off about his extensive knowledge of literature and philosophy
all logic is predicated upon its assumptionsall debate on logic eventually ends up as debates on the axioms used in specific logical argumentsand then you end up with the final and irreducible discussion "why those axioms" and then logic goes out the window
>>217038003it's almost literally just "what if Sherlock Holmes but in a medieval monastery". The only difference is that instead of quirky slice of life English tropes you get autistic descriptions of book illustrations and architecture
I enjoyed the video game adaptation.It's been quite a long long while though.
>>217038003Eco does that in Foucalt’s Pendulum as well, the first part is basically unreadable as he references every exhibit in a room of a museum. I stuck around to see what the actual plot was but it didn’t get better. Can’t believe pseuds recommend this as “better version of the Da Vinci Code”. Both books suck dick, I want a competent author to write on this topic
>>217038003Eco is like every mid IQ autist, they know lots of pointless facts but can’t synthesise it into anything interestingLook at his retarded ur-fascism for an example of how knowing things isn’t a sign of intelligence
>>217038395>>217038176Insecure faggots like you are so boring. Please contain yourself to /lit/ niggas.
>>217037915What if The Universe always existed? Your Argument is then invalid.
>>217038531>boringShut up you useless dumb shitskin
>>217038560No because that would cause an infinite regress. Nothing can exist infinitely in the past except God because I say so.
>>217038003>>217038176Read Pynchon. Some people also like the Iluminatus books but I didn't. Also do not fucking start with gravity's rainbow like a retard. Read the crying of Lot 49.
>>217038770I read Vineland by him and hated how it kept going into flashbacks about some random character you never see again, which didn’t tell you anything new about the plot or the main character I hope that’s not Pynchon’s style because I hated it
>>217038826>the plotlolLMAO evenYou're not ready for real literature, stick to Hollywood movies. 90 minutes of plot is just right for you.
>>217038826Vineland is universally regarded to be his weakest book and the flashback stuff is unique to it. Ironically it's also the one where everyone misses the actual plot underneath the events happening because they just dismiss the book and treat it as something they just have to read as a chore because it's written by tommy
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>>217037065The film is good, I can't compare it to the novel though because I stopped reading when Eco spent 10 pages describing a doorway.
>>217037065I wouldn't disbelieve you if said this movie was made by r/atheism moderators. >monks are backward hypocrites who can be easily bought with sex>inquisitors were murderous psychopaths who burn women for sport
>>217037065Me ans my sister we used to watch the sex scene over and over when we were kids and we were alone.
>>217038912Heh, nice meme, kid. You're gonna go far in this town.
>>217038925Umberto Eco invented the phrase "ur-fascism" so he could call people who weren't fascists, fascists. He was basically ur-Reddit.
>>217038897Ok you convinced me, I will read Crying of Lot 49
>>217039026The only "spoiler" I will give you is when you get to the play its not supposed to make sense >but it seems like its mirroring the events ofYeah at first. Its literally nonsense, don't get stuck re-reading it trying to figure out what it means.
>>217038560It takes Aristotle's axioms as true a priori, I don't know how Aristotle justifies those axioms though.
>>217037065I love the atmosphere and the soundtrack, reminds me of those late 90s Thief games
>>217037065I've read the book 0 (zero) times, and the movie os good
>>217037205there's a gay monk but he's an obese castrato
>>217038976Stop talking you dumb nigger
>NOOOOO there's no way Aristotle, a pagan born 600 years before christ , would support laughing I must killl youuuuuWhat a stupid fucking premiseIs this what Umberto Eco really thinks 13th century monks cared about? No wonder he was such an AIDS-ridden atheioid leftoid faggotAlso why were non-monks presented as filthy troglodytes who couldn't speak and barely walk upright?
>>217041096adso doesn't speak Italian so he has no way to talk to then
>"pagan"
>>217041122that doesn't explain why they crawl about on their hands and knees like apes, are constantly covered in filth and don't speak in human language to each other. the movie was basically saying that if you aren't an educated monk but rather a peasant then you're barely even human and are closer to a monkey.
>>217037065PENITENZIAGITE!
I can't enjoy this movie or the book because they're both ultimately Unberto Ecco's apologia for the gay reddit secular rationalism that ultimately destroyed Europe. The legacy of the Enlightenment has been nothing but ruin.>>217038003>>217038395It's even worse when you understand how much of the "medieval philosophy" is just Eco straight making shit up or dressing up modern philosophy in Latin puns to trick readers.
>>2170389251 (one) monk in the monastery is corrupted and exchanges food for sex.William explicitly states that the Inquisition as represented by Bernardo Gui has been diverted from its original purpose.Stop being a /pol/tard.
>>217041248It's just that one peasant family that lives off the monastery's garbage, they're basically gypsies, such degenerates still exist to this day.
>>217038998>ur-RedditThis needs to become a meme on this board or others boards as wellI know that the Reddit/or label gets applied too often in discussions on 4chan but there are so many elements of our modern zeitgeist going back to the Enlightenment that so perfectly prefigures and recapitulates the Reddit mindset (and woke social media in general) that we need a term to describe it
the thing I don't get, if jorge hated the book so nuch why not destroy it? Why go through the trouble of poisoning it?
>>217042210To get sure those that read it wouldn't just be prevented from talking about it but punished for their curiosity as well
>>217042285Wouldn't it be safer if no one can read it?
for me, it's gotta be brother malachia
>>217038003Read Pillars of the Earth. Follett is one of the only authors who can do that shit. The tv show was terrible though, don't want that, play the vidya instead.
>>217041644Nope. There was one monk who was having gay sex with two other monks and then killing them, and it's also implied there was one if not more monks having sex with the girl from village.>William explicitly states that the Inquisition as represented by Bernardo Gui has been diverted from its original purpose.Yes redditors also claim that: the church has steered away from Jesus' teachings. It's heavily implied in the movie that the majority of the church is the reddit stereotype of the church. Connery was literally stripped off his rank by the church because of his disagreements with Gui, to the extent that his order was in risk of being regarded heretics. Bernardo Gui was also a real person, and the author played an active role in slandering him into this comical villain.
>>217042563>There was one monk who was having gay sex with two other monks and then killing themI don't remember that, weren't they killed by poison-suicide-Jorge?
>>217037433That's his name.
>>217042691yeah I don't know what that anon is talking about. Adelmo killed himself and everyone else died from Jorge's poison. Also who else did Berengar have sex with besides Adelmo?
>>217038954Did you ever recreate the scene with your sister?
>>217038003It's baffling that it's as popular as it is considering that it's half mediocre detective slop and half autistic babbling about medieval church. I can accept that it's technically well written but it's really hard to see how that would be the book for a person who basically doesn't even read and I really wonder how the average person reading it even sees it.
>>217042691I meant to say there was one monk having gay sex with two other monks, and then there was another monk who killed them.
>>217042767>Also who else did Berengar have sex with besides Adelmo?With the fat monk?
>>217041096>Is this what Umberto Eco really thinks 13th century monks cared about?Medieval Christchuds unironically were like that, though.
>>217038560Christians, who scientists would say are illogical and are just making shit up:>if you accept that the entire universe seems to be a series of sequential causal relationships there must be a primal cause because something cannot arise from nothingScientists, who supposedly know everything and are so much more rational:>yeah it was just always there for some reason it's a brute fact stop asking questions
>>217042795The average person who has bought it has never read it.
>>217042863Berengar is the fat monk
>>217043741Ah sorry, yo stupido
