Tobin Bell is 83 years old. He is also the heart of the Saw series. How do you push the Saw series forward knowing that you can't rely on Tobin to carry it?
>>217043142Blumhouse is gonna do the same shit they did to halloween Make the sequel to the first movie ignoring all the sequels
>>217043142you dont push it forward. it has 10 fucking movies and most of them are shit. just stop raping things
>>217043142There is only one option: build an AI simulacrum of Jigsaw that can perform in future Saw films.
>>217043142tits
Well if they stopped killing his successors (and made them more interesting) they'd at least have a chance by now. My bet is they'll make Amanda the focus, whether they make more prequels or just pretend like she didn't die. She played such a huge role in X and it was definitely to remind audiences of her existence
>>217043142They'll just keep using him after he has died. They'll do it with AI, unused footage, lookalikes, just have someone who can do the voice etc.The entire Saw franchise hinges on using this guy 20 years after he has already died and can't even be part of the story. They use him anyway.You also assume he could die any day now. Tobin Bell could easily live to 100. Maybe more. The only two things that can kill someone rich are random accidents and dementia. Everything else is survivable or manageable. If he gets cancer it could be really bad but he would most likely survive it.
>>217043944It does seem more likely they will do the JigAI Concept compared to the JigShe Idea.
You use the Hoffman
>>217043142they tried in saw 5-7 and they got objectively worse. amanda was too emotional and hoffman was a literal who so they had to bring tobin back just due to the lack of character development. 4 wouldve been the perfect ending if hoffman died
>>217044262I could at least see Hoffman being a good part of the legal drama Jig3 Plot.
>>217044262I don't get why they don't just use another old man with a good voice. Just do the same shit.Amanda and Hoffman are completely different characters in every way, the look, the sound, the personality.If they just had old man Willem Defoe as the new Jigsaw people would lose their mind.
>>217043142That's what happens when you write a horror story and have someone play that character that becomes an icon.You just can't replace them and any attempts to try fall flat.It would be like Chucky without Brad Dourif's voiceHellraiser without Doug Bradley as Pinhead Evil dead without Bruce Campbell Candyman as someone other than Tony Todd Anyone other than David Howard Thornton as Art.Horror series would need to either embrace that character as the icon and either treat them right, milk it as much as they can while they can until they feebly try to replace them and then shelve the series.Or they don't allow icons to happen at all and let significant characters be interchangeable and new. Like Scream, Final Destination, Predator.This approach lets the series be varied and try new things, where a bad entry can just be brushed off as non-canon and the writers blacklisted.I just think Saw and Alien both should have gotten rid of the "main character" much earlier to avoid these situations.>Saw without Tobin >Aliens without RipleyBoth series could have been easier to just come up with new scenarios/scripts/stories if they distance themselves from a character they are compelled to continue the story around.The Saw series could have just had someone in a cloak with a mask behind a microphone and monitor, always just out of shot and gone when the police show up, two steps ahead always. or represented physically with the clown doll. They could have used any actor around the same height or similar voice and not have the looming question of their main actor getting too old.Same as Alien, getting rid of Ripley earlier could have freed them up to come up with different scenarios and outbreaks, built the lore surrounding the ALIENS in the ALIEN series.Not "The Ripley Lineage's Encounters With Xenomorphs IV"
>>217043702>Well if they stopped killing his successors (and made them more interesting) they'd at least have a chance by now.'Memba Logan from Jigsaw? The guy that was supposed to have been in the background the whole time ever since the first Saw film?
>>217044664It's crazy that the only way to save some of these series could be with a CU. Yes Robert Englund and Tobin Bell are very old but if you split up the screentime a lot and also throw unidentifiables like Jason and Michael into the mix you can have Freddy and him doing voice overs and a few days of filming in closeup to enable the JigCU.
>>217043142They are already his first apprentice still around in Logan as well as the most important apprentice, Dr. Gordon. Have them join together with the Jigsaw Cult. Can even fold Spiral into it, as they wouldn't be happy with what Schenk did.
>>217044169>>217044718>>217044792Could it actually work?>In a rare move, the District Attorney agrees for three co-defendants to be tried in the same trial. Hoffman, Dr. Gordon, and Logan are facing "justice" for their roles as Jigsaw's apprentices and their participation in the activities labeled as crimes by the state. The case has become a massive spectacle among the media and online true-crime podcast types, and the three defendants have been appropriately dubbed "the Jig3". As the court case progresses, we see a series of flashbacks. As a flashback ends, we see that the flashback story was being told by one of the survivors of one of the Jig3's tests. As the trial progresses, tensions escalate at an incredible pace and that has nothing to do with the media and podcasters trying to break down the doors to the court room and ambush key figures in the proceedings at the end of each day. While they initially appear to present a unified front, the Jig3 soon appear to be turning on each other. But there's a lingering sense that nothing in this trial is as it seems, and we soon discover that these court proceedings are connected to the twisted posthumous will and legacy of none other than John Kramer himself.
>>217045011Hoffman is presumed dead since he's trapped in the basement from Saw 1 without any light or way out.
>>217045197I never believed that.
>>217043142just let it end, do something elseit's gotten so incredibly convoluted, tobin is the only part of it that carries it, but even with him it's just getting too ridiculous from going over the same events over and over and over and over adding more shitthat last one I saw was better than it had any right to be, just leave it there
>>217043142the old guy? didn't he die like 4 times nowhow do they keep bringing him back?
>>217045330The convolutedness is part of the appeal. It's like a magic trick.
Get a new creepy old guy. Absolutely do not use a young person unless they have perfect psycho physiogonomy
>>217043142Spiral was fun to watch.
>>217045403ok and the only reason the last one was so good was because it forcefully shoved itself to some side-timeline in Mexico that wasn't really connected much at all to any of the previous events like they'd been doingits weakest spots were when it tried to start bringing more of that in with Amanda
really, short of some brilliant casting like if this guy worked as good as a younger John as I suspect he might, they're fucked when Tobin can't do it anymorehe did not get a fair shot as Freddy
>>217045403agreed. its fun rewatching old movies knowing all the wrinkles that the new movies gave and seeing it in a different light
>>217045482I don't think you're wrong about that. It's also not reasonable to expect today's audiences to keep track of all that stuff. Still there is just no one like him when it comes driving incredible plot contrivance that just works. And it's exactly what could help him actually beat Freddy, Jason, and other horror icons in a versus movie CU.
I remember these coming out but I never watched them. Marathoned all of them last year and even though my expectations were very low, they still somehow dissapointed me. The plot is garbage. The only good one was the healthcare system centric one, with that Insurance dude who had to go through a guantlet and then get killed by acid needles. That was a really good one, the others were very disjointed or felt too cruel.
>>217045664>Hello Jason, I want to play a gameconcentrated slop but I'd buy it
