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How do you go from this..
.....to this?
>>217071784Hello. I've never seen this show but I can't escape the memes. Is the coming-out scene actually during a time sensitive end of the world event or is that made up? I don't see anything wrong personally, but if someone is in danger or stuck in the upside down whilst this is happening it's pretty hilarious.
>>217071784What if the alternate realms weren't destroyed, just the EVIL within them?Think about all the scientific knowledge exploring the two realms would yield.Or at least, the awesome Dungeon and Dragons cosplaying sessions. You're IN a cosmic realm!
>>217071784Hopper straight to the point.
>>217071815>howThe question is why. Why take a cool monster and make it a joke. Seems clear the Duffer's got bored with their own creation. By 5 they realized they could never live up to the hype and just said fuck it and didn't even bother to try.
>>217071848>reintroduce mf at the 11th hour as a kaiji rather than chad shadow form
>>217071815Vecna said, "I don't control it. It doesn't control me. We're one."Hence the FUSION of the Mind-Flayer motif AND the Spider motif.
>>217071815This body is ptojection created from dust. The original body is the spider that you in the Abyss.
how was vecna gonna go powerman 5000 and make the worlds collide? doesn’t sound believable
>>217071857Seriously, who knows what would could find in those realms once the monsters were exterminated?
>>217071896No, it isn't. There is no abyss.
>>217071864I'm just mad they blew up the Upside-Down and the Abyss. They've WON already! Now explore that cosmic shit! Go Metroid!
>>217071815This is the real mindflayer, and >>217071848this is his shell. He isn't even dead, just needs a new body.His dimension isn't even gone, either, just the connection between the two. It isn't even gone forever either seeing how it was created by matter that more than one group has access to.
......lol
>>217071952I hope the dimensions aren't gone. I want them to EXPLORE these realms. The mapping expeditions alone could take DECADES.
>>217071984In theory, now that the evil has been destroyed, the creatures will return to an individualist state.We saw that with Dart.
>>217071852Its not exactly like, they need to sctamble to move NOW. But yes its right before their final epic mission. Maybe they were gonna go to bed and tackle it in the morning, but it was still totally unfitting. They try to justify the speech by saying that the gay character needed to come out in order to have the courage to fight the villain, but it comes out of absolutely nowhere that this would be the case and honestly just feels like a rehash of IT.First time I've posted on 4chan and like 6 months and holy fuck, do you said humans seriously sit there and wait 60 seconds and complete 3 obnoxious captchas every time you want to make a post? Jesus Christ what a fucking cesspit. And as if that has raised the quality of posts in this place? Ridiculous.
>>217071852In terms of the plot, Vecna, one of the main villains, uses peoples' secret fears/shames to weasel his way into their minds. By getting his secret out in the open, discovering that his fear (and villain-induced vision) of being shunned by his friends was unfounded, and ultimately having the support of his friends, Will, the one who "came out," was denying the villain this power. It makes sense in the plot that he came out when he did since it was shortly before the final battle, where Will's power would be needed, but I guess for some viewers, they didn't really place enough emphasis on how this coming out really denied the villain one of his weapons (the villain's propensity for doing this to other characters was one of the key plot points of season 4, but given that said season was now 3.5 years ago, I would imagine a lot of people didn't really remember it)
>>217071984Could have been as easy as having an army of demo bats and dogs having an epic battle with the army forces who are trying to stop the gang, ironically Vecna protecting the kids
>>217072041>Vecna, one of the main villains, uses peoples' secret fears/shames to weasel his way into their mindsJust to be clear, this is a post hoc rationalization and is never once mentioned at all until the subject of will having to come out first arises
>>217071984They could just be honest and say they spent the whole FX budget on the mind flayer...and two days filming a coming out scene
>>217072044They're just digging their own hole deeper and deeper. The more they speak, the more people realize they were just throwing dogshit at the wall.
>>217072044>army of demo bats and dogs having an epic battle with the army forces who are trying to stop the gangnot enough budget for that sorry, gotta launder and pocket those 400mill instead
>>217071896They look nothing alike and also we've seen him be a cloud of smoke in his home planet twice.
>>217072041Vecna had to show Will that his friends will lie to him that they accept him, and will look for ways to ditch him over the next years.
>>217072105If they were being honest they'd just admit they didn't care about the battle or mythos and just wanted to fast-forward to the epilogue. Understandable, really. If you know no one is going to die and there are no stakes, writing and filming that shit, trying to make it last an hour, would be boring as fuck.
Now that the dust has settled, here is my final character rating. Feel free to share yours
>>217070832Why was he so mean to her?
>>217072166what's wrong with mrs henderson?
The molly ringwald cosplayer is offensive to look at. Like she makes my eyes water. Such an ugly ginger.
>>217071984This is dumb. The last time they got Vecna in season 4 it was because of this exact mindset. Why would he make the same mistake twice? Shouldn't he have learned that they will probably go for the place where he's in a vulnerable meditative trance?
>>217071896I don't think so. I think Vecna was helping it build itself a body out of corpses like it tried to do in Hawkins out of rats and humans bodies. That's why all the creatures are gone.
>>217072226overbearing mother archetype, no wonder my poor boy Dustin is the way he is
>>217072166that blonde bitch bully below Hopper was goat
>>217072099Not really. In the prior season, all of Vecna's targets were seeing the school counselor and suffering from some sort of secret guilt.>Chrissy's weight/body image issues induced by her mother>Fred's guilt over the car wreck he was in, where another kid died>Max's shame over her feeling that maybe she actually wanted Billy to die, and that maybe she could have/should have done something to try to save himMax refused to talk about it or any of her feelings with her friends, becoming distant and resorting to writing secret letters to each of them, culminating in Lucas reassuring her that all of her friends are there for her and that she should just talk to them about how she's feeling.
>>217071952Yeah we see the dust still active after the kaiju dies.The kaiju is just a bigger version of the flesh monster we got in season 3.
Unironically what was his plan I still don't get it
>>217071784Should have flashed back to this during the big reveal then shown Hopper nodding to himself
>>217071815to VECNA KINDA FORGOT
>>217071848Excellent use of space and lighting inside that mind flayer, I should have him do my office
Spinoff when?
>>217072272but that's arguably also joyce, especially in this seasonyou're just mad that henderson is fat
>>217071815This is more imposing or as kids this day say it has more "aura"
>>217072296Yeah, I'll admit I actually didn't remember that. But If they really wanted to reinforce that point, they should have shown how the 12 children also had trauma. It wouldn't require much time at all, just a couple lines about a few of the kids. It's all just very arbitrary.
>>217072099This was the entire plot in S4
>>217072319Smash the alien planet into Earth because reasons? No clue, I feel like it would destroy both not "merge them" into one.
>>217072319Rape and rape accessories
>>217072362No it was not. What the other anon said in reoly is more accurate than this low iq reductive take.
>>217072319cunny
>>217071984now that's stupid
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>>217072166Would fuck>3 of the cringe af tier>2 of the alright tier>7 of the waifu tier>1 of the based tier
>>217072319Vecna wanted to destroy the world and remake it because people were mean to him.The mindflayer wanted to consume everything.Presumably merging the worlds would accomplish this.
>>217071848I was so distracted by how good Finn looked I didn’t even notice the bad cgi
>>217072320Hopper loves and is very proud of his gay step son. He even gave him 11s old room
>Russians were absolutely meaningless to the entire plot
so the military just let everyone go at the end? seems like bullshit after they were involved in the murder of like 50 soldiers. they would get disappeared to Area 51, at best
>>217072319>what was his planHe hated humanity so his plan was to destroy the entire dimension. It's extremely retarded.He said he got far more powerful since their last time meeting, so he could've literally just killed every human with his same powers he used in S4 but way faster. Why put all the effort in to destroy the entire dimension? It's such a stupid Marvel-tier threat, too.
>>217072166literally who
Why is this show allergic to Dungeons and Dragons scenes?We only got like 2 or 3 total.
>>217072475More a case of>your mom is hot and being cordial with you is a necessary evil
>>217071848This looks worse than those Z-List Sci-Fi movies on amazon
>>217072483Every fucking thread>They killed soldiers involved in black ops torturing pregnant women! It's treason!They got off fucking easy. Nancy and Hopper should have gotten Medals of Honor for getting rid of that scum.
>>217072476>b-but wait for the spinoff!
>>217072476I actually WAS let down their old Russian friend didn't get to help out at all in the end, like supply them with a ton of weapons.
The source familiar with the Duffer brothers thinking told Variety that this is canon.
>>217071848so the wormhole actually led to Mexico?
>>217072475He’s not judging him, it would have been good to acknowledge the one thing they actually set up from the beginning
>>217072476if they remembered the russians, theyd also have to remember that the russians have the tech to open wormholes therefore the happy go lucky ending is a meme
>>217072476So was Linda Hamilton
this show looks like Gears of War
>>217072513Maybe they got tired of paying royalties to WOTC for all the D&D references.
>>217072579>involved in black ops torturing pregnant womenyeah that sure sounds like the kind of people who are just going to say "aw shucks" and let you go
>>217072475Will is looking at Hopper like he knows he's getting 11th hour stepdad molested
i like how hopper gave a shoutout to montauk at the end. like montauk experiments conspiracy
>>217072620Technically THE EVIL is gone. So the Soviets and West are just competing to HOLD the Wild West realms of the Upside-Down and Abyss.
>>217072492I guess the revelation that he was at least partially a pawn of the Mindflayer makes it so that his personal disgust with humanity was mingled with, or at least fueled by, the intentions of the Mindflayer. Had it just been Henry, perhaps he'd have been satisfied with just fucking with and killing random people, as opposed to wiping out Earth all at once.
>>217072620They don't. It got blown up and Russians don't write anything down. Gone forever. Poof.
>>217072620They have tech to open gates to the wormhole bridge (upside down), but only in America where L opened the first gate. With the wormhole gone they can't do shit.Not unless they can make Exotic Matter too. We never got an explanation of where that came from.
>>217072543>Hey lets move to New York so we can still be close to them Lets be real we know he means Will. Jonathan could die tomorrow and it'd take Joyce weeks to notice.
>>217072464Right I get the >I need to destroy the planetBut when you line up each goal per season it makes no sense>Rift is open>I'm going to allow one single demogorgan through >EL rips through reality and sends it back>Rift leaks out under the watch of Vecna so he can sprout tentacles in a pumpkin patch?>El notices and closes the rift but half the mindflayer is stuck>Russians? Somehow get it but also open up a rift.... For no reason? >Mind flayer spergs out and then gets sent back again with the rift being closed again >Actually Vecna needs to open the rift again for... Some reason since he couldn't accomplish his tasks the other 3 times the rift was open >He gets his way>But fucks off>But now this time he needs the rift to be bigger so it can merge the worlds>Except for the other 4 times where the rift was open between worlds which he did nothing with to make it bigger I really don't understand the story when I start to think about it
>>217072644Hopper has to get to him before he's infected with the AIDS. Graduation night special.
>>217072684The Upside-Down and The Abyss are basically the Wild West now. Though only nuts want to settle there.
>>217072476>Make russians extremely powerful entities, built up through 3 seasons>MIA entirety of season 5Fucking KEK this show has so many plotholes I can't believe I wasted so much time catching up on the show because my family wanted to see the finale in theaters
>>217072689it's just powercreep
Why did Russians even want to open a rip hole?I thought it was about creating counter intelligence to Psychic children spying? Shouldn't they be making psychic children instead of rift holes?
>>217072665>as opposed to wiping out Earth all at onceNot even just earth. The entire dimension, the entire fucking universe. They jumped from "this threat is local to hawkins", to "this threat is going to destroy us, every possible alien civilization, billions of miles worth of space and time, the entire fucking dimension we inhabit"
Cuuuuuuuteeee
>>217072731I've decided S3 is the finale. Billy dies saving everyone in a redemptive act. Hopper dies. The gate remains closed. El moves with the Byers to California.It captures everything the finale did without shitting on the lore or turning every single character into a meme.
>>217072772>entire universehow
What happened to these niggas?
>>217072776Ok this is epic
I believe
>>217072866Is that ringworm?
>>217072639It would have been more of a headache to get rid of all of them than to simply vanish (not without threats, etc.) since they were not 100% legit. They probably are keeping an eye on them hence why they all agree that Eleven is dead.
>>217072319Is it even possible to explain the plot of this show season-by-season from the perspectives of Vecna?
STRANGER THINGS RETURN>After graduating summa cum laude, Dustin Henderson realizes the real world is a whole different beast as he fails to be taken seriously by his peers and superiors because of his appearance. His struggles extend to landing jobs and dating.>Lucas Sinclair and Max Mayfield appear to be a perfect couple, but domestic violence and sexual insatisfaction from both ends lie within. In a desperate attempt to save their relationship, Max gets pregnant with a pair of twins that Lucas fears may not be his.>Will Byers has found out the hard way the gay community is not as accepting as it may seem. Sexual partners are quick to label him a bottom and a sissy after learning about his past and below average-sized penis, when all he wants is a wholesome relationship.>Nancy Wheeler has been blacklisted from journalism by her boss after refusing his sexual advances. Refusing to crawl back to mommy and daddy, she now works at a strip club where she is constantly disrecpeted by patrons.>Following a row of commercial and critical flops, Jonathan Byers has sold his soul to the devil and become an amoral porn mogul known for his particularly violent and intrusive style of filmmaking.>Steve Harrington has run away from his beloved Hawkins after accumulating hundreds of thousands in debt to friends and business partners, and fathering over a dozen children with multiple mistresses.>An incident involving a transgender classmate at the all-female Smith College has turned Robin Buckley into a shell of her former self. She now struggles with self-harm, a heroin addiction and selective mutism.
>>217071848They just keep writing the horror/ sci-if part of the show more and more over the top each season and by the end they’re basically in Caelid fighting an Elden Ring boss. My mind just completely checked out of that part
>>217072866I don't. Grow up and stop believing in fairy tales from schizophrenic 18 year olds.
>>217072835Duffered
>>217072901Absolutely not.
>>217072835they really totally memory holed a lot of shit huh.
>>217071852Yes and noYes because it was during a time sensitive world saving eventNo because there are no actual stakes and the time doesnt matter
>>217072905>Erica Sinclair was one of the many victims of the gang violence now plaguing Hawkins. She was killed not long before she was set to graduate from high school.>Holly Wheeler is yet another teen mom making Hawkins proud. Having spent her formative years surrounded by boys who are into nerdy hobbies like she is, perhaps it was inevitable.>Derek Turnbow wastes his days away in his mom's basement. His type 2 diabetes diagnosis has made him reflect on the youth he could have had if he hadn't spent it all on junk food, porn and videogames.>Murray Bauman got crazy rich off the dotcom boom, but now spends his days in jail after being busted for hosting and trading kiddie porn. He swears up and down he got set up by the feds.>Jim Hopper died of a heart attack not long after he and Joyce moved to Montauk. The widowed Joyce Byers leads a quiet and lonely life. She has been seeing things, hearing sounds the past few weeks that lead her to believe she is not quite done yet with the supernatural, but only when she doesn't take her Aricept.>It is now up to Mike Wheeler, who has since married, fathered two children and become an all-time best-seller horror writer to put the team back together for one last adventure.
>>217072908How is it no ones fixed the ESL in that yet I remember it being posted years ago
>>217072835Steve should've ended up with Tina
>>217071784it wasnt that badit was an ok endingkind of mediocre resolution to vecna and the spider and getting the kids backdumb El sacrifices herself, and then sarah connor and her team go "welp, guess we gotta go now and let you all live normal lives despite what you all know and have seen"despite all that, seeing the kids play one last game of D&D and the older kids talking about their lives, hit me in the feels and I give it an ok ending7/10
>>217072905K I N O Sending this kino to the Duffer Sisters right away
>>217072835The lesbian came back.
>>217072835>probable breakup when robin leaves for MA>fucks off back to california after s4>dustin breakup when he's an insufferable ass with PTSD>good question, lonnie should've come back for a "hey will, you're a fag" moment>catatonic>would've been nice for a cameo>russians are back in russia>surprised we didn't get a camo in the epilogue, especially with hopper back as chief>in a target ad with ted>the show mentions them, pay attention
>>217072835half these characters fucking witnessed demigorgons and don't care I guess
>>217071784How did none of them get extrajudicially executed much less sent to Guantanamo Bay forever?Why didn't killing Vecna kill Will as they share pain through the hivemind?Why wouldn't the soldier keep will seeing how he still has hivemind powers seeing how he didn't die with Vecna and the MF?How the fuck did the legally dead and off the grid Hopper become police chief again?How did Max graduate when shes been in a coma for 2 years?Why did they send Will to NYC during the AIDS epidemic to die?
>>217072807>I've decided S3 is the finaleS3 is the peak of the Stranger Things look, and is the larger downturn of the story before S4 gets rid of a lot of the 80's look, and S5 completely rapes the story AND 80's look. Arguably the greatest place to stop watching on.
>>217072835>VickieDumped by Robin>ArgyleIrrelevant. Better off dead.>SuzieDustin dumped her nerd ass to bang Stacy>LonnieBanging 19 year old twins. Has 4 more sons from 3 different trailer trash sluts.>Max's momDead>OwensDead>DmitriIn Russia>YuriIn Russia>Powell and CallahanDead or demoted>KeithDead>Derek's familyParents are fine. Tina has decided to become my sex slave.
>>217072866Who got pied?
>>217072835>will's dad was right all long about his son.Was it his abuse or Vecna's that turned Will gay?
>>217072041Henry didnt call will a faggot in the finale thoThe gay scene amounted to will saying>I'm not afraid anymoreThat was itBy the way, will didnt feel anything during the battle despite being connected to the hivemind because the camera wasnt pointing at him. That is literally the explanation they gave
>>217073025Rockin' Robin
>>217073020There's no proof Owens is dead.
>twink about to pounce
>>217073043yes
>>217071784>queerfags didnt even say that in the 80s(((netflix))) writers couldnt even be assed to watch paris is burning or something
>>217071904I still don't understand what his goal was in colliding them. Was he trying to physically crush our world with the abyss? Was he trying to merge them into one world, and how does dropping the abyss onto our world do that? What would merging do that just physically taking your army through the wormhole wouldn't? Did he just want to destroy both and feed off the energy released?
>>217072352Derek's angels
>>217072358>they should have shown how the 12 children also had trauma.He didn't pick them for that though. They were random kids, he just needed 12.
>>217073082The word "queer" can be traced all the way back to 1513
What was the point of the cum room?
>>217073020No, Vickie runs Robin's secret lesbian nightclub.
>>217073071>fag staring at his crush>lesbians looking at each other>only straight guy is absent mindedPoetry
>>217073090Seems both worlds would merge if their balls are touching on the UD. At least that seems his idea. Don't ask how or why and coomsume the spin-offs.
>>217072579You stupid retard no one is arguing that the military are the good guysThey're saying the show is stupid because the badguys literally had them in their grasp and just let them all go with zero justification or explanationAfter all this, sarah was just like>oh well. Time to go back to bombing the middle east I guess. You kids stay safe out here
How and when did Nancy turn into a badass operator? Did she have any formal training? I must have missed that storyline. I guess they're trying to evoke Ripley with that hairstyle of hers, but wasn't she supposed to be a Stacy early on.
it would be cool if the mind flayer isn't the scariest thing in the abyss and was trying to get away from something bigger through manipulating henry and opening a portal to our world.
>>217072296And they overcame their secret guilt and gained power over vecna?
>>217073082it was said as an insult in general and in that scene
>>217073082No its "you're a queer" the insult not the reclamation "I'm here I'm queer get used to it" that was definitely a thing
>>217073159They have been building up to it since the very first season. Her whole thing is that she's not like the other girls.
>an entire planet fitting through a wormhole the size of a small town>instead of merging dimensions using some of his weird magic he literally wants to smash both planets together
>>217072370i bailed after season 2. what alien planet? i thought the upside down was some other dimension.
>>217073159It's a homage to the random gun-toting girl in "The Blob" remake.Go to 1:54https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6OEhNHC_P4
>>217071878Yeah, but I think the shadow hivemind cloud wanted a corporeal tangible form, it did it during season 3 when it melted a bunch of people but the Kaiju really came out of nowhere and for no reason.
>>217072041Even after coming out, Vecna could still use that against Will. He could try to convince Will that no one really accepts him, they just need him and his powers now. That if WIll kills Vecna the only reason his friends keep him around will be gone.But Vecna didn't even try, he just let Will attack him. If he tried and Will fought back it would make the coming out scene more meaningful and feel like it was actually necessary imo
>>217072901I'll do my best to try and fit Vecna his overall final goal into the 1st 3 seasons.Season 1>Kidnap a child to use as a battery for his powers>Let the demogorgan fuck around in Hawkins as a distraction i guess?Season 2>Possess Will and use him as a way of further opening the portal between the abyss(the upsidedown at the time) and im guessing if the Mindflayer had made his way through the portal it would have merged the worlds?Season 3>Possess Billy and use him build a corporeal form for himself/the mindflayer in Hawkins to effectively enact his grand plan but from the otherside>We can assume had they won the mall fight they would have worked to open more portals to bring the abyss into HawkinsSeason 4 is obviously where Vecna actually enters the story so its pretty self explanatory from there.
>>217072835Vickie: who knows, a pretty weird omission since they made a big deal of her and Robin's relationshipArgyle: presumably still working as a pizza boy in California, maybe a manager nowSuzie: presumably still living with her family in Utah; relationship with Dustin likely ended due to distance and her parent's dislike of Dustin's influence Lonnie: still living with his girlfriend; S1 tried to make it clear that he only really started to care about his family again when he smelled lawsuit moneyMax's mom: presumably still an alcoholic single motherOwens: this one was pretty ambiguous, I guess left as such in case they'd decided to use him in S5; they didn't, so I guess he was murdered in S4Dmitri: in Russia, presumably working on his relationship with his sonYuri: perhaps trying to return to the honest life he'd lived before becoming a smugglerHawkins officers: I guess still police officers; pretty big omission, given how present they were early on; kinda surprised they didn't give them some sort of little throwaway cameo at the end, would've been easy since they showed downtown Hawkins returning to normalKeith: I was fully expecting him to show up at WSQK, considering he was friends with Robin and was the stereotypical teenage nerd who worked at nerdy places, but no, so I guess we can assume he's still working at Family Video and/or the arcadeDerek's family: another weird omission, given how last we saw them, they were drugged
>>217073158>They're saying the show is stupid because the badguys literally had them in their grasp and just let them all go with zero justification or explanationWhat the fuck could they do to any of them after they literally saw Eleven dying and the entire reason they were there vanish? What do you think they were going to do? Smoke all of them right there and just leave Hawkins? Are you a fucking idiot?
>>217072166I forgot Drumpf was in season 3 or whatever it was
>>217072689My interpretationSeason 1>Mindflayer scouting out Earth and snatching kids to infect and probe for information>Scout is killed and child recoveredSeason 2>Mindflayer makes direct attack>Uses Will to dig the tunnels so its vines can spread through the town and secure the gate>L shows up at the end and closes the gateSeason 3>Need L's power to re-open the gate>Infects people and creates a flesh monster to attack L and steal her power>Flesh monster is defeated, but the attack is successfulSeason 4>Armed with L's power to open gates the mindflayer starts opening as many as he can>This succeeds and the gates become unclosableSeason 5>The mindflayer tries to merge Earth and the Abyss to end things once and for all>Needs more puppets to strengthen its power so it nabs some more kids and builds a giant body to guard against recovery missions>Kaiju is defeated, kids recovered, and wormhole closed, cutting off access to Earth
>>217073159I take zero issue with her turning into a /k/fu because they set it up from s1 and the progression was natural for her. It's completely believable she would go to gun ranges and practice. She even owns her own guns. Where it crosses the line is her refusing to let others have them or share that training with them. It's the end of the world and she gives her brother and flare gun? Cunt.
>>217073218Shit makes no sense. When Steve fell I thought he was going to be pulled up by the Abyss own gravity but it doesn't seem to have gravity (or the air gets pressurized when the two planets approach, nothing makes sense, really). It's somehow coherent with Holly falling from the Abyss tho.
>>217071984To be fair that's a stupid CinemaSins ass question
>>217073320But Vecna controls the mindflayer?
idea: the tower crumbles with the gang and all the kids descending on it after they defeat vecna. everyone dies, show over
>character who had a brain parasite becomes a homosexual Hmmmm
>>217073297You are fucking retarded. You are actually genuinely retarded.
>>217072319>make a Hawkins-sized hole in the Earth that connects to the Abyss>walk around in a cool spider suit around the forest for a day, maybe two>die like a retard to 1 (one) Mk 84 bomb (in service since 1950s) dropped from a plane he can't seehe's a useful idiot for the US government that wants access to another dimension to extract resources from to make more tanks, TVs and cars faster and cheaper
>>217073297>What the fuck could they do to any of them after they literally saw Eleven dying and the entire reason they were there vanish?Interrogate them to see if they were harboring anymore physics-defying entities? Ask how she even got her powers? You're assuming the military would just give up all their questions after the ultrapowerful being "died". Maybe it teleported? They have literally no idea and are guessing at every turn. It'd be stupid not to exploit an entire group of people for answers to questions and possibly attain those powers for themselves, as for all they know, the gang has the keys to whatever got Eleven those powers.
>>217073380I gracefully accept your concession. Just don't let me catch your bitch ass in these threads again, mkay?
>>217073325>flare gunI think this was a joke about Mike grabbing the candlestick as a potential weapon in the second season
>>217072411>kill people>get away with it
>>217072807Yep. Plus it has the "grow up and stop living in the past" theme that the real ending also does. There is simply no reason to watch this show beyond season 3
>>217073420>kill several army men>they finally capture you>"just sign this NDA agreement and walk away, citizen"
>>217073393>Interrogate them to see if they were harboring anymore physics-defying entities?Maybe they did. The point is also their whole operation was falling apart, with that glowie and his team going rogue in what was already a black op, and Kay was stupid too. So I don't know.
>>217073393Everyone is forgetting a key thing here. The gubmint is unaware of what is happening with the upside down despite the dubmint being the cause of all this shit to begin with. Im aware there are two different factions, those being sarah connors and the papa formerly known as brenner. But the show seriously expects you to believe that sararh connor's side has no clue at all as to what went down in hawkins lab
>>217073420>shabbos golems>people
>>217073414It was not
>>217073363Vecna was always controlled by the mindflayer. It corrupted Henry as a kid and made him kill things to grow his power so he'd be a better puppet.Eventually killing his family and drawing the eye of the military. They snatched him, blocked his powers, and made copies.
>>217073393There was a year and a half between the military capturing them and the epilogue.They could have interrogated them for months before letting them go.
>Guys why is Will not in the sequel show
>The storytellerWhen did that become a thing? I know he was always DM but before the final episode his class was always Paladin.
>>217073566What WERE their respective classes, anyway? Counting Eddie.
>>217073566>When did that become a thing?90s gay theater kids and they gay vampire games.
>>217073471>The gubmint is unaware of what is happeningrealistic depiction of the gubmint tbqh
>>217073566because he’s gotta grow up, get a worthless english degree, then work menial jobs for the rest of his life because he’s a shitty writer
>>217073511And this is a retarded revealIt would have been better to have henry as a total psychopath who killed all the other kids of his own volition and then met the mindfucker and got subsumed. Then there could have been some debate as to how much of his psychology "infected" the mindflayer because he was the first human that was assimilated. Iike, imagine if someone like argyle was the first one assimilated. Maybe the mindflayer would have been, like, a really chill dude, you know?But no. Instead henry is a vessel and his actions arent his own even though he says they are
>Didn't pull a Yondu and have Eddie appear as a hallucination cheering Dustin onNetflix, you can't bribe Joseph Quinn for 3 minutes of superimposed dialogue?
Why are people not okay with a dozen teenagers taking down the Nightflayer with guns, flamethrowers and psychic powers but are okay with a single Hobbit repelling an ancient evil with a dagger and a magical flashlight?
Eleven is dead. Kali couldn't have made the projection because she was dead. We literally saw her bloody corpse. And even if that was its own illusion or whatever the fuck (a reality the show NEVER hints at), then she certainly would have died when the exotic matter blew up. This isn't a discussion
>>217073625I interpreted picrel to mean that he wrote their story into a dnd campaign.
>>217073654Too fucking expensive now
>>217073547Why did Will move to Milwaukee? What the fuck is in Milwaukee?
>>217073158Not only is the Military letting them go weird with what we see directly, but the magic space rock being a conspiracy implies that the Military were messing with this stuff before Henry. Which means it doesn't really end if El dies, it's just a bigger set back; so they would absolutely not want people who know about it, and are actively working against them, to be walking around free. The spin off is already said to be about the rock, and there's no way they can stretch a story about it long enough for a whole season without a Military conspiracy. It's the writers go to tool when they need to pad time.
>>217073671It clearly says "PLAYERS MANUAL".
>>217073165But why would a gigantic alien spider have a complex, intelligent mind or even sentience. I like the idea of Vecna as the big bad; but as a perversion of humanity, not as a former actual human that turned bad. Something like >>217072263, where Vecna opened the door for this being that he worships to literally feed on his race and every other living thing on his planet. Like the anti-Silver Surfer.
>>217073671Odds this becomes ACTUAL merchandise?
>>217073719Extremely high
>>217073688>What the fuck is in Milwaukee?A very famous blonde gay man
>>217073609Will was a mage, Lucas was a ranger, Mike was a Paladin. I actually can't remember Dustin or Eddie
>>217073657I'm glad LOTR didn't come out in our nitpicky world
>>217073693They need to introduce ANOTHER faction of the military which correctly thinks this whole "tampering with supernatural shit" is just suicidal stupidity.
>>217073688He didn't he moves to New York
>>217073696And Fireball isn't an attack roll. I don't expect dnd accuracy from the writers.
>>217073730Price it half as much as Hasbro does, and Netflix will do quite well with it.I do wonder what the Game Master Guidebook will look like.
>>217072628>Hey everybody, IT'S LINDA HAMILTONSo fucking stupid. Why would you cast Sarah Conner as a villain in an homage to the '80s. The Duffers lost the plot after S1.
What IS the best class in Dungeons And Dragons anyway?
>>217073349it still addresses a huge gripe people had with the finale, i don't see how its phrasing really matters or redeems his response at all
>>217071815Mindflayer never left dimension x, only in his projection as dust cloud. But that is a retcon, so fuck it.
>>217073754Holy fuck I legit thought he said Milwaukee
>>217073657>magical flashlightIt bears the light of the lamps, you double pleb.
>>217073735Dustin was a bard
>The cast pictured here moments after realising how bad the script is
>>217073782Maybe because "The Terminator" came out in 1984?
>>217073165I had a theory that the giant spider was just a vessel for the mindflayer like Henry, and the true Mindflayer was the exotic matter itself. Some kind of cosmic horror that merges dimensions as it's nature. It picked the two worlds and picked a vessel in each so they'd be drawn together, then just waited. The upside itself would then be the final villain.
>>217071784With the benefice of hindsight they were clearly going that way with Will from the start
>>217073796Magic-user/mage/wizard, duh.
>>217073805Well I have the amulet of GPS.
>>217073688A gay exterminating serial killer
>>217073813>"After this season, no director will ever want us to act again. We will never be picked for a role after this.">Emotional hug as they realize they have to live off of their Stranger Things money for the rest of their lives or get a real jobKek
>>217073843Aren't wizards vulnerable to melee combat?
>>217073823>I had a theory that the giant spider was just a vessel for the mindflayer like Henry, and the true Mindflayer was the exotic matter itself. I think the kaiju was just an avatar for the Mind Flayer. The particles are the Mind Flayer. What makes no sense is the Mind Flayer being the one who wants to enslave humanity or whatever the shit it was, it's an alien cloud floating in a planet that might be billions of light years away. That was 100% Henry
>>217073719I'm surprised that it isn't already
>>217073850>Get a job?!Cue the song:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysKhbaLyIFw
>>217073822I'm aware. But it's like casting Michael J. Fox as a villain. Why
>>217073798Because who cares where they are? It's not important
>>217073864Extremely so early on, but depending on the spells you pick you can easily compensate after a few levels (teleports, shield buffs, mind control, etc.). Though glass cannon is always more fun.
>>217073864Not really. They just suck early, low HP, few spells (lol vancian), etc.
>>217071815more kids getting diddled, more powerful the demons becomelike in real ife
>>217071815SOVL>>217071848Souless
>>217073850Whats it like not to have friends anon?
>>217072319Creating his own CS dominion
>>217072689>show/manga with an interesting premise goes on for longer than anticipated and the authors slowly reveal they were just making shit up as they went along, turning the lore into a convoluted messWhy do I keep falling for this one simple trick
>>217073884Realistically, wouldn't Netflix have to battle the EVIL that is Hasbro?
>>217073754Is he living with Jonathan?
> Merry Christmas and Happy New Year guys> Not for you Millie
>>217073931Supposedly the writers ALWAYS had this ending in mind, which creates the reverse problem: they didn't evolve the premise WITH the passage of time.
They kinda cute
>>217073871That's what I thought after finishing the finale as well, made up of the demos just like it tried to make a body out of flesh on earth. But the writers said the demos are "around" so I really think that was the real mind flayer. Who knows though, it's probably vague on purpose so they can do a mindflayer spin off.
>>217073719Almost a certainty
>>217073827For sure>Season 1 bullies: I hate to break it to you, Toothless, but he’s not in danger. He’s dead. That’s what my dad says. He said he was probably killed by some other queer.>Besides, what’s there to be sad about, anyway? Will’s in fairyland now, right? Flying around with all the other little fairies. All happy and gay!>Season 2 Will: Girls don't play videogames>Season 3 Will: Girls go to science camp?Then the exchange between him and Mike >You’re destroying everything, and for what? So you can swap spit with some stupid girl?>El’s not stupid. It’s not my fault you don’t like girls.
>>217073970>Supposedly the writers ALWAYS had this ending in mindI think they just meant Eleven going and the gate shutting which is pretty much the same ending as s1 but a bit more final this time I guess
>>217074016Well, they gotta introduce lots of creatures like that new "Alien: RPG" did.
>>217073542>letting them goHopper and Nancy are mass murderers of military officers.
>>217072644>Will: "Finally!"
>>217073994Maybe there were other demos on the other side of the planet, maybe the planet is 100000 times the size of Earth, what is really stupid is them being able to climb those cliffs in 5 minutes
>>217073921
>>217073991I just know Finn showered repeatedly after that was taken
>>217074072>Hopper and Nancy are mass murderers of military officers.Of BLACK OPS glowies.
>>217074089I see Millie Bobbie Brown was Bella Ramsey maxxing in that scene
>>217073796WarlockEldritch blast is versatile and scales very well. Lots of utility with invocations.Can summon a Fey Spirit that hits harder than a Fighter and can tank damage for you. You can keep that summon up pretty much indefinitely.Great multiclassing options.Single class stat so you only really need Charisma.
>>217073991final scene should've been mike going to bed after the last dnd match with the gang and dreaming that he's dancing with el againmaybe telekinetically
>>217074089why does he hate milfs so much
Kids online are now shipping Derek and Holly just because he waved at Mike. Saying “omg that’s his future brother in law”
There were a few AI gens of wills gay scene does anyone have them with sound? Not the one where eleven shoots will.
>>217074168It's more because they were sitting next to each other at the graduation.
>>217074123For me its the way his forehead veins bulged from stress when he felt those about to explode lips hit him.
>>217073958As it should be
>>217073754No matter where he goes he has a 70% chance of getting AIDS in 1989
>>217074075There were tons of weird temporal issues like that this season. An earlier one I still don't understand how Mike's mom, while heavily injured and carrying an oxygen tank, beat them to the basement of the hospital and managed to set a trap.
>>217073251>>Kidnap a child to use as a battery for his powers>>217073320>snatching kids to infect and probe for information...why would you do that? Why does it has to be a random kid? What would a random kid help his plan?You are stating what he did, you are not attempting to explain WHY he did what he did
>>217072689It's definitely the type of show where you aren't meant to think about each season in relation to the rest, nothing that happens in season 5 gels with what happened the preceding seasons.
>>217073908evidently the interviewer and lots of people watching the show, hence it being a pertinent question. you're hopelessly retarded
>>217074107those soldiers had families and those operations had a chain of command to the government. You don't just get to kill soldiers and get away with it. They would have extrajudically killed Nancy and Hopper on the spot for what they did to their fellow soldiers.Hopper is already legally dead, there is no reason not to cap him.
>>217074289She rolled a million HP on a thousand-sided dice, so she yelled, "Come at me bro!"
>>217074107they werent black ops. hopper said they were special forces. and special forces are the good guys despite what he said
>>217073991They're fucking hideous.
>>217074325Nothing ANOTHER faction of the military could have fixed, the one going, "Why are we even doing this crazy shit?"
>>217074039It's not really any more final. It only seems that way because we know the upside down was a wormhole connecting dimensions now. When we thought it was another dimension itself, closing the gate is just as final as closing a wormhole. The upside is basically the "gate" to the abyss.
>>217074336And none of them wondered if this plan was 9 levels of insane?
>>217074350Meh. I want them to go back to the Abyss and EXPLORE it, see the new world.
>>217074377theyre just doing a job. for all they know, the girl caused all this. can’t have a supernatural bitch running around the country causing mayhem
>restart dr brenner program>bully will into reactivating his powersMike still has options left to find her. Why does he insist on staying an incel in the end?
>>217074422>Why does he insist on staying an incel in the end?Because that would mean the Duffer Brothers would actually have to put effort into the show
The ONLY way the military would have let them go is IF another faction of the military led by something with SENIORITY over Sarah Connor said, "This is nuts. We're shutting down the program for good. Our NUKES can stop the Russians."
>>217074422Because she's dead. They even came out and said if on the off chance she does survive she'll never go near Mike again because she'll put him in danger. This is all just one big cope from Mike to invent one small chance he didn't make a bomb that killed his oneitis.
I stopped watching whenever they introduced those cringey crustpunks in s2 or 3 or whatever. Is the rest of the show like that?
>>217074483Should’ve had Dr. Owens make a last minute appearance to do that.
>>217074349explain why they wouldn't kill nancy and Hopper immediately. they have them dead to rights.
>>217074483Oh, and have her played by Signourney Weaver . Put Ripley and Burke on the same side, lol."With ALL due respect, I outrank you."
I've just finished watching season 3. Finale felt like Resident Evil with underground facility and giga mutated monster. Nancy? started becoming Claire Redfield suddenly.
>>217074534They'd pin it all on the Colonel, wanting this whole thing to just go away. Throw her under the bus.
>>217074325Hopper also pissed off both Soviet and American government He would have to go hide in China or isolated Latin American country as a mercenary if he wanted to avoid getting summarily executed
>>217074547Admit it /tv/ wouldn't it have been fucking awesome to see Ellen Ripley stare down Sarah O'Connor in a clash of retro icons?
>>217072319Presumably get nuked
>>217073229>randomYou mean one of the main characters of the film.Anyways, her character wasn't "gun girl." There just happened to be a gun on hand.
>>217073222The Upside Down was a wormhole, and on the other end was an alien planet which is where the Mindflayer, Vecna, and the other monsters were coming from.
>>217074494They only said this because they realised their open ending didnt work out as hoped, so they threw in a last sad effort to make it bittersweet. Everyone got an unrealistic happy ending and now suddenly its unrealistic for Eleven to ever contact her familyWe need that evil dr Brenner-Wheeler spinoff NOW
>>217074593The soldier right there would want retribution, their fellow men were just killed by these two individuals, one of which has no consequence at all as he is legally dead. Why would they not want them dead. Just look at how ruthless they treat the gang when they capture them. they had full intention to kill all of them
>>217074623Random in the sense she just suddenly went, "I'm a badass gun girl now!" in the horror film.
>>217074649And yet, not a single monster in sight after the MCs got there
>Mike gets Mind-Gooned by Eleven thousands of miles away every night he goes to sleepLucky bastard
>>217074483Or maybe the kids outsmart them, either by exposing or threatening to expose them to the public. Heck Nancy wanted to be a reporter, maybe she had a contact at a newspaper and sent some evidence ahead of time. It's cliche but ANY reason would be better than what we got.
>>217074483This is something that would’ve fit with the shows writing. However, they really wanted people to keep discussing the ending so they made a weak effort in making it open ended instead.
>>217074655Well that's NOT the ending we got. So now we gotta figure out the why, and the most plausible explanation is that the majority of the military declared the whole thing "OVER."Swept under the rug, hands washed clean.
Why do tourist complain now about Nancy when she has been Claire Redfield master of guns since season 1?
More of them should have died.>Steve gets mortally wounded and Dusty runs over trying to protect in a reverse Eddie scenario>Will gets killed when Vecna gets killed>Nancy shoots her guns in a final stand where she won't give up as she gets torn apart>Jonathan (mortally wounded) delivers the final disabling blow after watching Nancy die>Eleven and Kali both die the way they die>Back in the MACZ the survivors are caught as they come back>Sarah Connor wants answers and executes Joyce because Jim "Hop" Hopper won't handover the girl>In a blind rage Jim "Hop" Hopper detonates himself and Sarah Connor fulfilling his suicide mission>Murray, Mike, Rockin Robin and whoever else I didn't mention all survive
>>217074741>Instantly forgiving the people who murdered your comrades and would have murdered you if you had been in their post.You clearly don't understand how people in the military think at all.
>>217074741Swept under the rug means tying up loose ends. Like a gaggle of teens who know all your secrets. If the people of Hawkins don't question military occupation they're not going to question when they weird group of kids die in an accident.
>>217071883> "I don't control it. It doesn't control me. We're one."Translation: they realized retconning the mind flayer into Vecna all along was dumb but that they couldn't reverse course this late so they went with both are true
>>217074666She doesn't look very bad ass. She looks like a person who picked up a gun out of desperationNice trips bye
>>217074767I understand the actions of the soldiers would be pretty easy to interpret as something called a "WAR CRIME".
They should’ve included a scene with a horde of demos fighting the crew and having Will go super saiyan and killing the entire horde.
>>217074782And what kind of accident would be enough to wipe out such a diverse bunch of witnesses?
>>217074743Stakes were lower and she was less smug about it so it wasn't that laughably jarring
>>217074834discount power rangers
>>217072021>>217072041> He had to come out to fight Vecna Dang, if only he actually fought Vecna instead of Eleven doing it while him and everyone else just stood around trying to emote for the camera. Literally pointless.
>>217074834Its convincing until you realise Millie is actually stood on Sadies ass
>>217074767I also understand militaries LOVE to do after-report reviews, and in those reviews they might find some pretty disturbing conduct of the military personnel involved.I mean the stuff with the pregnant women alone has got to be crossing some ethical boundaries.
>Dustin talking during graduation about how all the shit that happened in Hawkins got the school together>last time we saw anything significant from Hawkins HS it was the jocks beating the shit out of himYeah I know most of them graduated before the speech but it's still kinda fun, in every season school was the fucking same. Remember Lucas and his fuck my nerdy friends phase because he got a taste of the sports chad life?
>The Mindflayer likes the cold>Lives on ArrakisNo wonder he was so angry, poor little guy…
>>217074956Maybe it's a cold desert. The meddling kids don't break a sweat on the journey.
Okay, so what exactly would these angry soldiers say?That in the commission of some ethically disturbing behavior well within the realm of War Crimes, we attempted to capture a girl to further the commission of even more probably War Crimes? That civilians attempted to defend this individual from being seized by force, seizure which is legally DUBIOUS at best?I'm not really sure how strong the military's prosecution case is, when you get right down to the genuinely disturbing details.
>>217072602The third wheel is the hottest
>>217074168>>217074193The entire season was centered around them dummiesThey saved eachother's lives in henry's mindThey were very obviously being set up as a pair the entire time
>>217072602So their speculated character classes?
Any happy ending mileven fic reccomendations? :) I just want to move on
I’m glad they showed Derek getting easily tired when Vecna was chasing them
Almost Game of Thrones levels of shit writing
>>217075103Based Derek winning the Hollybowl.
>>217075103I thought jewflix was setting holly up with that black kid
>>217075116>Derek not fit enough to keep up with a bunch of 10 year olds>strong enough to beat an interdimensional demon in tug of war
>>217075133Ugh. A more PLAUSIBLE explanation is them breaking Vecna's control over the monsters, causing them to no longer obey his orders.We saw with Dart they are capable of individualism.
>>217075166He leveraged his sheer bulk falling backward. That's a lot of weight for Vecna to try to lift, lol.
>>217074834Sadie Sex
Was it really so difficult to keep Vickie and Robin together?
>>217075030No shivering, no visible breath…
>>217075248Anon, it was necessary for ronance to move on.
>Vecababs SWORE their incel I AM Groot OOC was the big bad all alongFucking Apologize
>>217075248Robin realized she likes cocks now.
>>217075142Derek is brave and capable of showing kindness and toughness when the situation calls for either one respectively.
>>217074807Its not a war crime to kill someone trying to kill you. (Nancy)Its not a war crime to kill someone who is already dead and put them in a ditch. (hopper)
>>217073649you didnt pay attention
>>217075357I'm talking about the whole "torturing children" and the "slowly killing pregnant women" thing.
>>217074952The speech sounded like it was written for an entirely different showInfact, hawkins itself felt dead as fuck this seasonEvery other season it felt alive and like an actual place where people live>s1 the entire town banded together to try and find will>s2 had pleanty of scenes like the highschool party and trick or treating. Also the arcade where everyone came together>s3 was focused around the mall as a huge gathering place for everyone in the town>s4 the entire population FINALLY got riled up enough with the hawkins curse to attempt to do something about the evil lurking beneath their feetIt was full of crowds, one-off side characters, locations that made the town feel alive. Hawkins itself was a character. In s5, beyond the first episode at school, the town virtually dissappeared completely and all that existed was the main cast, the military, and the upside down. The people of hawkins did nothing about the Butthole of Hell opening up on their front lawn. They just let the government quarantine them at gunpoint with no objection. They let the government corral all of their kids together didn't even put up an argument. Hawkins didn't feel like a character this season. It felt like nothing. And that's something I havent heard any people mention yet, so I'm not sure if it's just me overreacting or if people just havent noticed it with all of the other glaring problems in the season
>>217073649I think Henry spoke the truth when he said, "We don't control each other. We need each other." Sick human meets sick abomination.
Alright, who phoned it in the most in this season? For me it's Winona Ryder, she looks bored half the time and most of the other half it seems she doesn't want to be there
>>217075381Suck my fat one
>>217074807>lads stop its a heckin war crime!lmao. War crimes happen all the fucking time dipshit
>>217075442She had fucking nothing to do manIn s1 and s2 she was actually present and affected the plotAtleast season 3 gave her a magnet schizo arc. And she was important to her s4 sideplot, but that entire sideplot was fucking garbage. In s5 if she had not been there at all there would have been close to zero difference
>>217075275Guess it's a mild temperate desert. No wonder why the Mild Flayer evolved there.
>>217075389whats 12 more hidden and disposed of bodies in all of that?
>>217075442Basically all of them. But David Harbour and Millie both seemed pretty damn checked out.
>>217075572Harbour never made it to escondidoHe'll never be okay ever again
>>217075133Didn't think he needed demos when he had a kaiju.
>>217075442mike hands down all of them except the new kids molly derek and whoever seem exhausted tho. there's scenes where they're in the background pickin their butts or just zoned out swaying back n forth, clearly looking at the production crew, etc. the acting went down the toilet
>hype dies down in 5 years>netflix producing flop after flop>warner bros. acquisition did not help>decide to bring back schrödinger’s eleven for the revival>include popular characters Hop and Steve (and his 11 nuggets, in order for El to heal from the lab rat siblings trauma)>show will be about papa, brother and the 11 sisters she never really hadScreenshot this.
>>217075442Acting took a nosedive this season (except the little kids) but yeah Winnona and Harbour are the ones giving less fucks.
>>217075672Where is Joyce?
>>217075668Kek
>>217075714The Duffers’ hate Will, so probably in a hospice with him in Milwaukee
>>217075663In s3 he continued to to use billy even though he had a meatmonster. He did so because he thought having a normal human size body could be an asset. His downfall was underestimating the love Billy had for his mom, which gave him the stregnth to break free from the hive. The gorgs, dogs, and bats are not the same. They would not have betrayed him (except maybe dartanyon, but we dont talk about him). Thus, his downfall was stupidity for not using all of his assets in his war
>>217075668Is it anatomically possible ?
>>217075668He should of grabbed henry's dick and twisted itThe ol' dicktwist
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>>217072835>VickieFollowing an awkward lovemaking attempt with Robin, Vickie realized vaginas are gross and married Steve. They have 12 children referred to as "the little Harrington's." Robin refuses to speak to Steve to this day.>ArgyleAfter his supernatural experiences, Argyle pursued a quest of higher meaning andd wound up the third in command of a hippie sex cult in California's Wine Country that was raised by the ATF for illegal firearms possession and underage sex trafficking. While in prison, he converted to Christianity and now runs one of the world's largest and most extreme conversion therapy programs in San Francisco with the backing of Ziklag.>SuzieSuzie's parents forced her to dump Dustin before sending her on a Mormon mission. She escaped in transit and made her way to Hawkins, only to find Dustin had a new girlfriend already. Heartbroken, she moved to Texas where she became the host of a public access call-in program called "Raw Time" under the moniker "Tiffy." Following the cancellation of Raw Time, Suzie married a devout Southern Baptist and now lives in a cattle ranch with six children. Her parents maintain they don't speak to her while secretly visiting multiple times a year.>LonnieFollowing his girlfriend's incarceration for possession of mthamphetamines, Lonnie assumed custody of her estranged 15 year old daughter, Tammy, who has coincidentally ran away from her Father's home two weeks prior, hitchhiking to Indianapolis to live her with her Mom. They were married within the year and now have the children. Tammy's Mom is still upset about it.
>>217075248they had no chemistry also this >>217075341 at least in the epilogue
