Ah yes, Vecna's magic rock. A good story for another time.
Gotta watch the next 10 years of sequels to have the ending to the ending, okay?
>Don't question this incredibly important, unexplainable mcguffin that we just introduced in the very finale to cover up one of many plotholes we're too lazy to make actual explanations forGenius.
>>217072423what caused the evil red cracks to appear in hawkins, indiana? a palm sized rock with miniature evil red cracks in itkino
MOON STAR OF LIMBO.... GIVE ME THE MIGHT... THE MUSCLE... THE MENACE... OF MON STAR!
>>217072568If they had tried you explain it you would have thought the explanation was stupid and unsatisfying.It's ok to just let things be some things be a mystery.
>>217073237>Don't worry, it's better to have a plothole than actually explain what it is because the explanation would suckBrutal that we have come to this type of thinking.
>>217072423stranger things would've been a cult classic if they just dropped vecna in as a mysterious demon and never explained his origin. they somehow managed to make him legit terrifying in season 4 with the grandfather clocks and shit. it all got ruined once it turned out he was some incel government experiment.
>>217073340It's not a "plot hole" to just not explain everything you information-addicted zoomer
>>217072423Don't criticise Israelflix. Shut up and kiss the wall goyim
>>217073353Yes, it is. Quite literally the entire reason the show even happened is not explained. That's called a plothole, lil bro.
>>217073440>In fiction, a plot hole, plothole, or plot error is an inconsistency in a storyline that goes against the flow of logic established by the story's plot.
>>217073340>Brutal that we have come to this type of thinking.That's what having insufferable nerds nitpicking every single frame of every movie and show on reddit and 4chan does. Don't call it a grave, idiot.
>>217072568The spinoff is going to be exactly about this, you'll have a lot of more episodes to bitch and complain about, bro!
>>217073512>an inconsistency in a storyline that goes against the flow of logic established by the story's plotYes, the entire reason the show even happened is quickly and forcefully introduced at the very finale. With no explanation and just expecting the viewer to not question how it got there or why.That is a plothole, as it expects you to accept that it just is despite there being more loose ends with it introduced than not. It should've been just a piece of gold in the suitcase and again, not a mcguffin.
>>217073512>>217073531>>217073546>Rapidly re-replying to my posts in angerI accept your concession
>>217073598>mcguffinThe rock is not a mcguffin.
>>217073598What was the logical inconsistency? You keep just saying that they didn't explain everything. That's not a logical inconsistency, you just want all the information spoon fed to you.
>we need to collect all 6 vecninity stones
>>217072423Not my problem.
>>217073648>Wants me to spoonfeed him information>Accuses me of wanting info spoonfed to meNice projector. How much did it cost?
>>217073677You are the one asserting it's a plot hole. So what was the logical inconsistency that makes it a plot hole?
>>217073695I was going to explain that before you went apeshit. Looks like you'll have to research that on your own, as I don't want to spoonfeed you information. Good luck, lil bro.
didn't watch is this like in YYH when Kurama fights the rock monster and steals his heart rock?
>>217072423To be fair this is a very D&D thing to happen
>>217073714>went apeshitI'm literally just saying explain how it's a plot hole
>>217073728That's why it is anti kino. D&D is the death of Art.
>>217072423Can someone spoil this show for me I stopped watching after season 3 ended.
>>217073744This isn't art, it is racemixing and gay propaganda
>>217073794>it is racemixing and gay propagandaI just said that D&D isn't art.
>>217073758El dies and everyone becomes a wagie.
>>217072568Apparently it's at least partially explained in the play, which you either have to see in person or read about.https://strangerthings.fandom.com/wiki/Stranger_Things:_The_First_Shadow>It is explained that Brenner's father was the captain and sole survivor of the USS Eldridge experiment, who returned to the normal world with significant injuries and a unique blood type. Upon learning of this, his son Martin devoted himself to learning the truth behind the incident and established the Nevada Experiment, an attempt to reproduce what had happened to the Eldridge.>However, one of the personnel stationed at the Nevada military base was a spy for the Soviet Union. They managed to escape while stealing vital technology, transporting it to a Nevadan cave. At this time, an 8-year-old Henry and the Creels lived nearby, in Rachel, Nevada. While exploring the Nevadan caves and playing with a spyglass, Henry stumbled across the stolen technology when it unexpectedly activated, transporting him to the Abyss.Despite it supposedly being canon, just from reading this summary, there are blatant contradictions to the TV show, so I guess it's a pick and choose sort of deal? Either that, or the vision we were shown of Henry's childhood in Hawkins was just a fabrication, or a lie fed to him by the Mindflayer (which would be a fucking awful retcon, imo)
>>217073440>>217073598>>217073677>>217073714You type like a fag "lil bro"
>>217073794>>217073820what's wrong with racemixing and gay propaganda?aren't magical demons worse?
>>217073840>Either that, or the vision we were shown of Henry's childhood in Hawkins was just a fabrication, or a lie fed to him by the MindflayerAs per usual, the fan theories give the Duffer Brothers too much leeway. I would say they just fucking suck at writing and have terrible inconsistencies.Also, making it so you HAVE to see a limited-run play that has vital information to your multi-million dollar show known globally is retarded.Again, the mcguffin literally adds far more plotholes than removes. They should've kept it at some schizo in a cave with a briefcase almost killed henry, leading him to his first kill which traumatized him and made him a completely different person.
>>217073840>EldridgeReally?
>>217073758>Nobody dies>Nobody goes to prison for domestic terrorism>Max gets blacked>Jonathan gets cucked>Steve does nothing>Mike does nothing
There will never be a satisfying explanation for the origin of this shit you idiots. It's pure fantasy. At some point they just have to end up at>it just magicked into existencewhat other explanation could there possibly be? So yes you might as well just leave it as a rock found in a briefcase of unknown origin. There's never going to be a better origin than that.
>>217072423So uh, was this the scientist who left all his work in the upside-down lab? This was the source of henry's powers? He wasn't born with them. No one on Earth was. Henry then went on to live a normal highschool life, interacting with joyce and co, and then uh ended up in "the lab" as a watcher over the kids they created from his blood? Why didn't they all just touch the rock? They didn't need his blood.
>>217073237They aren’t doing that though, they’ve already announced the spinoff show about it
>>217074244i'd explain my explanation but it's so spooky that i think i'll create my own story with it and use it for a video game or something
>>217072423>Duffer Brothers>early lifenowhere to be found(((they))) are learning
>>217072423Evangelion reference?
Fuck this showLinda Hamilton is in it but does very little and has no story arcHours of far too many characters dumping exposition on each other, or making extremely elaborate plans that need to involve all of the far too many charactersA fucking hour long epilogueNothing bad happens to any of the main castWhat a fucking cop out
No one will remember anything about this show in a year.ZERO cultural impact.
>>217072423the stageplay explains it. probably. no one will ever know.
>>217072423What upgrade do I get if I slap this on my sword
>>217073353>>217073237retarded ESL
>>217076163>ZERO cultural impact.There was some in S1-S3, but 4 and 5 really fucking ruined it by getting rid of all of its roots in favor for an MCU style story.
>>217073720No it's like when Raizen takes control of Yusuke's body to kill Sensui, but if Yusuke was like "yeah, I'm fine with that."
>>217072423Pretty dumb asspull plot turn considering Stranger Things started out leaning heavily on the concept of old conspiracy theories such as the government testing and training psychic abilities in children. That was like the main attraction in S1. Instead they turn here and say it was le magic rock that gave cooties to Henry which made him magic. It just shrinks the worldbuilding.
>>217072486It’ll be a prequel you absolute gremlin
>>217072423poor writing. copying the pennywise magic rocks from IT
>>217076494Papa's dad was part of the Philadelphia experiment and was transported to dimension X and then back again. It's from the play I shit you not.
>>217073348True>>217073353A plot hole is a hole in the plot. Not explaining how the main mcguffin works is a hole in the plot
>>217073648They're not even trying to make these posts seen organic anymore lol
>>217073892Now they're laughing at us and trying to turn us into bogeymen for saying they want to genocide the White race. I wonder what it will look like in 70 years?
>>217074244That's just wrong. I will say you're right, the official writers will never come up with something good or satisfying, but the answer was right there in front of their faces and they were just too dumb to realize it. > MF and UD are otherworldly Eldritch entities from another dimension. This is a well understood concept that doesn't require further info. (Unlike a magic rock in a briefcase in our world that just happens to be there. Honestly the fact that it's in a briefcase raises even more questions)> Henry's parents lived in a town where scientists from Operation Paperclip were doing behavioral control experiments by putting chemicals in the water, this resulted in Henry developing latent psychic sensitivies > After moving to Hawkins (Hawkins is a hellmouth the veil between worlds is thinner than normal, another well understood concept that doesn't need to be explained in-depth) the MF senses Henry beyond the veil and reaches out (sort of like we saw with Joyce & Jonathan in S1 and Billy & Eleven in S3.) It starts as him "hearing voices" and "having imaginary friends" as well as nightmares but over the years he begins to have a greater affect. This also increases his powers. > Eventually Brenner catches wind due to his research & experiments & attempts to study Henry. His experiments increase his power, resulting in him breaking through to the Upside Down, where he is captured by the Mind Flayer and mind flayed for years as he's studied, devoured, and twisted into something not human> Brenner attempts to create a new Henry through his experiments but only succeeds when he realized the effects are most potent if a woman conceives while being dosed and the baby continues to absorb the chemicals while in utero> He then kidnaps the children of the women he's experimenting on an raises them in the lab, attempting to turn them into weapons for tbe government and breach the Upside Down. > Eventually El managed to open the gate leading to S1 E1.
>>217074552> Why didn't they all just touch the rock? They didn't need his blood.Because they didn't think of the rock until the last episode
>>217075744> Linda Hamilton is in itWhy would I care about that? Wonder Woman ended before I was born and never reran on TV at all. Am I supposed to clap and go: "Yay! Celebrity! My parents explained who she was because of a Family Guy bit once! Hahahaha yay!"
>>217076551Sorry I'm not up to date of your tranny media
>>217073840>explained in the play
>>217077168Gee, can I go down to my local playhouse and watch this play? Surely there's a year long production running in every town in America if it's that important?
>>217073728What is with this D&D talk? Correct me if I’m wrong but that was never an element of the early seasons.
>>217077926Have you never watched the show?
>>217077948Yeah, but I thought D&D only figured heavily into season 4.
The show was on so long that bandwagoning dnd players from the first season act like old heads
>>217072423Another hallmark of terrible writing is this "everything is linked" bullshit. Making the origin of his powers come from the mindflayer is lazy and stupid, not clever.
imagine watching this slopyou guys pretend to not be like the normies but you watch and discuss the same retardslop as they do
>>217072568If David Lynch did it anonfags would be saying it unironically
>>217072568This>>217073840Fuck off. I fucking hate plays so goddamn much
>>217077995The people watching it can form complete sentences and communicate like people. You can't go a second without "slop" and other faggy nignog meme language, and are as intelligent as a monkey. Your obsession with trying to make sure we all know how anti normie you are is pathetic.
The finale is another Rise of Skywalker situation. It's actually uncanny how many similarities there are between that movie and season 5 of Stranger Things
>>217077978>Making the origin of his powers come from the mindflayer is lazy and stupid, not clever.Agreed. It was far more interesting when the idea was that the Mind Flayer completely hijacked Henry's body and was able to control his powers that were foreign to the Mind Flayer. It'd also explain why the kills were so infrequent in the earlier seasons as the Mind Flayer would have still been getting used to the powers.
>>217076294Season 4 was very popular and was more climactic than season 5. It's season 5 that will be forgotten and ignored because there's no substance to it, 90% of it was exposition and shitty dialogue scenes that went nowhere until the lame finale where the villains are effortlessly killed
>vecna has his entire reality shattered>and it changes... nothing>he is still loyal to mf>so that means all this fucking dicking around of who the main villain is was pointless>they could have presented it unambigiously in s4 that vecna is the vader figure and mf is the palpatine figure and nothing changes
>>217078383It's more the incidental opening of the connection between their worlds. Having that degree of happenstance makes everything a little more interesting. Trying to retcon everything into being this loose convoluted plot by the mindflayer just makes it feel silly and devalues all of the other characters at play.
>>217078492Funny thing is Henry was still a victim to the end lol>no it showed me humanity and the world are broken!Lmao he only thinks like that because a demon corrupted him when he was a child, but then his death is still treated as a 'fuck yeah!' moment and nobody reflects on how tragic the guy's life actually was
>>217078492>>so that means all this fucking dicking around of who the main villain is was pointlessThe Duffer Brothers keep trying to pass off the idea that all of Stranger Things was planned beforehand.It's common knowledge though that it was first an Anthology series, and S1 was written to be standalone, then Netflix told them to make it continuous if it went well, so they had to tack on S2 - 5.The decline in writing very obviously outlines how much time they had to work on and really chisel out the detail in season 1, and how they progressively got more and more lazy and unmotivated as the show went on.I just really wonder what drove them to ruin their own show, they should've hired somebody to help them keep on track if they knew there was a decline in quality. It's very obvious how bad it was getting, why didn't they even try to save it?
>>217077972> Episode one starts with them playing D&D> The Upside Down is only called the Upside Down because when the boys asked El where Will was she flipped their D&D board upside down and put his figurine on the back of it> Everything is named after D&D: Demogorgon, Mind Flayer, Vecna. Those aren't even they're real names they just call them stuff from D&D> They figure out the villains plot and how to beat it every season by consulting the Monster Manual> They refer to their group as the Party> "I'm our paladin, Will's our cleric, Dustin is our bard, Lucas is our ranger, and El's our mage!"> Will the Wise> Will's campaign and continued efforts to play D & D across season 3
>>217078583>his death is still treated as a 'fuck yeah!' moment and nobody reflects on how tragic the guy's life actually wasThey should've had a funeral for Henry, but the moment he died it's like Vecna, the mind flayer, and Henry never existed to the characters.
>>217077975To be fair if you started playing D&D when season one premiered you'd be playing for ten years at this point
>>217073237They had 7 whole episodes before the finale, but we had to waste time on shit that halts the story like Will telling everyone he’s gay
>>217078492>mf was cool in s2>the meat monster avatar in s3 was whatever but it's fine because it was a literal fragment of him in s3 causing all that havoc>vecna cool as fuck in s4>they are both a pair of comically inept jokers in the le ebin climatic seasonI will maintain that the military subplot of s5 was its cardinal sin because it actually prevented anything epic like an all out war against Vecna/MF that the military still can't win which lends to the stakes of what's going on, meaning in s5 it SHOULD have been Owens in charge via some order from Washington.
>>217078647>The Duffer Brothers keep trying to pass off the idea that all of Stranger Things was planned beforehand.I know and I can't believe some people actually fucking believe them, it's an obvious fucking lie because it sounds better than them making shit up as they went along.
>>217078647> I just really wonder what drove them to ruin their own showBeing spoiled, petulant children that think they can just abscond to the next project and everyone will always love them. Same thing the GoT guys did.
>>217078706There is also the fact that what the fuck he hoped to accomplish with the plan would have entailed. WHAT exactly does 'merging' the worlds mean? Does it wipe out humanity or what? Sometimes Vecna seemed to demonstrate actual human empathy like when he strokes an unconscious Holly's cheek and said it will all be over soon, like part of him has empathy. The fuck happens? Does Earth 'merged' with the Abyss leave us in a world equivalent to a nuclear apocalypse?
>>217078796The Upside Down spreading like a cancer like what we saw at the end of s4 was much better and more ominous than whatever the fuck s5 was doing
So ST season 5 is going down like a mixture of GoT and Sequel Trilogy yes? Like warmer reception than GoT got but, like the Sequels, that is due to copium that will dissipate over time. The final season deserves all the hate it can get
>>217078886Like GoT the show had been getting shitty for a long time and the writing was on the wall. Unlike GoT the show was never good. S1 and S3 were the only decent seasons, S4 had its moments. The reception is warmer because unlike GoT which was a rushjob, this season was pure fanservice. It was STs uniquely terrible modern writing turned up to 11 because they wanted to get through a significant amount of storytelling and character development to position everyone where they were narratively for the marvel finale. The season was basically nothing happening as a backdrop for characters hamfistedly explaining things to the audience.
>>217079010>this season was pure fanserviceI wouldn't even go that far outside of Will getting his powers. S4's ending promised the stakes taken up to an 11, our world being fully invaded, etc. It totally failed in regards to making it feel like apocalyptic and the villains being any good.
>>217079010>The season was basically nothing happening as a backdrop for characters hamfistedly explaining things to the audience.Okay>slams Reese's Pieces wrapping paper on tableThis, is us>slams Will's dildo toy onto the same table 30cm awayAnd this, is them. You following me so far?
